Murdering Milwaukee w/ Increasingly Sketchy Batteries

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Since a lot of people are asking, this is the spot welder we use and have had the most luck with: amzn.to/4a1Pwrp Any 801D, SeeSii just happen to have the best price there. It will actually do 0.25mm nickel strips while a lot of them wont (make sure it's nickel strips, ones that wont rust in a salt bath)

[@Esk-be8kd]

You gotta sandwich copper with nickel strips for the molicel battery's

[@WHATDATTOOLDO]

Plz test the new ridgid 3/4 impact it took a nut off torqued to 2400 fo0t lbs in under 10 seconds ...try it with at least the 8ah plz plz plz!@@@@

[@Typingwithpaws]

thank you! that's bloody handy to know!

[@TorqueTestChannel]

@@WHATDATTOOLDO It's the 1/2" with a 3/4" anvil. The old 1/2" Octane has a larger hammer assembly and beats it

[@WHATDATTOOLDO]

@TorqueTestChannel ohh i didn't know that in the video it looked like a monster he torqued lugs to 2400 and it took them off

[@robertdascoli949]

A normal person "Oh, man, this knock off battery killed my tool" TorqueTest "But will it kill... all my tools???"

[@pault151]

To paraphrase judge Doug Marcaida on Forged in Fire: "Your battery.... will keeeel!" 😁

[@OhioPowerTool]

Next time we get an "import" battery manufacturer emailing us, I'll try to get some specs and pricing on how this all works for ordering the counterfeits. They'll build them for you with lots of options on cells including Samsung cells but they offer New or Reconditioned. Prices are obviously waaay cheaper for recon so they are building with the right cells but very likely used/reconditioned cells they took out of a "Bad" battery identified what cells still have a little juice then put them with other working recon cells (could be 2-4 years old with heavy use). You can also choose your packaging, really emphasizing they can say whatever you want. Shocking how cheap these can be if you want to order 1000+ look the part but will never last more than a few months before loosing performance, probably profitable if you don't mind being a shady counterfeiter. Really appreciate you highlighting how sketchy these batteries can be! People just try to save a few bucks but then realize you are getting ripped off!

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Hey great info! Thanks OPT. I still find them putting 6ah in an 8ah battery funny every time

[@SlinkyD]

Save a lil now, pay big later. - Modern buyers I miss old business.

[@etherealrose2139]

Is it not possible they can easily buy fake wraps to put around junk Chinese cells? Far easier and cheaper to counterfeit those wraps than anything else.

[@ejejjeje]

you can even buy the fake wraps for dirt cheap from the typical 'overseas' websites @@etherealrose2139

[@noyb7920]

@@etherealrose2139 Yeah, that seems a bit more likely. "Sansumg" batteries don't last as long.

[@queueeeee9000]

God, that was hilarious watching the Beast annihilate the chuck on the cordless 😂

[@saiiiiiii1]

Had to laugh way too hard😂

[@prizedcoffeecup]

That one got me roaring, absolutely friggin hilarious!

[@lilsammywasapunkrock]

Didn't destroy the tool, but back in the day, I was working with DeWalt fan boys in the nicad days. They always made fun of my toy Makita drill. One day we were climbing poles, and a guys drill died, and he asked to borrow mine and it almost snapped his wrist, he wasn't ready for it. Shortly after, DeWalt also came out with lithium ion drills, but I'll never forget that day.

[@ReflectivePower]

@@lilsammywasapunkrocki

[@billynomates920]

increasingly sketchy bean boxes

[@mr2_mike]

Wait till even more house fires with all the eBikes sitting on charge.

[@necko2529]

😆😆🤣🤣

[@harmonicadude4732]

That’s the next step in sketchy bean boxes. Dual e bike battery pack backpacks

[@Oyashiro_Chama]

@@mr2_mike Louis Rossmann moments.

[@jeffmcdonald101]

There were a lot of angry pixies wanting to get out of the beast!

[@juanc5149]

I dunno why these are so fun. It has the same spirit of dropping a really hot engine on the smallest econo crap box you can get your hands off, and blasting off 9 second pass.

[@jeffmcdonald101]

Nailed it and reminds me of a car I did just that to! Bought and built a 13B rotary, massive turbo... shoved it in an 1800-pound 1976 Mazda RX2, 600hp at the wheels. Dirt cheap 10 second car. Would have done 9's if it wasn't sending the tires directly to Jesus. So sad I sold it.

[@jseen9568]

I love that the Beast was completely unperturbed by the 700W load. That thing is basically a mini backup generator.

[@andrewfrey6960]

These rc batteries designed to dump their power asap. Got one powering my longboard and has enough strength to take off faster than I can stay on the deck.

[@etherealrose2139]

Except for the fact that you're dumping already generated amd stored power and losing tons of power to make lesser power... sure basically a generator 🙄

[@jseen9568]

@@etherealrose2139 hey don't Google "battery back up generator" you gonna have a bad time.

[@jseen9568]

@@andrewfrey6960That's really interesting. I wonder if we could see a combination of battery technologies in the future. The more typical ones we see now, and a few of these high discharge RC batteries. Either have the RC batteries "activate" after like 5 seconds and have it give a big boost to output. Could be interesting.

[@andrewfrey6960]

@@jseen9568 It would get too complicated and that would mean expensive and it's already expensive enough. There's some other things though like the tradeoff with life expectancy. Tool batteries can last years with minimum wear. Meanwhile the packs I've used in my longboard dont even hold half a charge anymore after roughly 300 charges.

[@rikityrik]

I do declare, this the First Annual Built At Home Battery Showdown! !!👏🤞

[@secret5.]

I was thinking about a couple lipo packs the whole time. Glad you brought them up at the end.

[@MattHessinger-1]

Coming to a theater near you - “Torque and the Beanstack”, a story of voltage loss and RPM redemption.

[@RadDadisRad]

Side note, OSHA does not permit the use of counterfeit batteries. FYI

[@darkfur18]

there is also a difference between counterfeit and third party, FYI

[@RadDadisRad]

@@darkfur18 neither are approved

[@Endidixknsej]

Neither do they permit turning up drunk but don’t stop us

[@quicksilver8180]

Shhhh everyone quite and get to work, OSHA is in the chat.

[@James-lo5ne]

@@Endidixknsej i mean, the boss man knew what he was getting when i pulled up in a ram superduty.

[@ianmcdougall739]

Very interesting, funny to think each tool must have a sweet spot between supplying it enough juice and snapping it in half.

[@toolsdealsautomobiles6980]

I always worry about the aftermarket battery cause I worry without the current control to protect the tool and batteries

[@Mis73rRand0m]

Looks like most of them are using "recon" cells which have limited discharge anyways. Seems like they need to be specifically "hopped up" like the lifepo rig in order to kill anything.

[@kevinisawake]

BEAST MODE 2.0 - I will await the second video

[@heeltoe6845]

The forge 12ah will be the tabless cell design, not pouch, but it’ll output even more than the 6.0 pouch I bet.

[@dhesh0066]

Damn the identical m18 battery from amazon really has me questioning some of my purchases thinking i got a good deal

[@greenhatparts6552]

so what I get from this is the cheap knock offs would be good for lighting applications especially for situations where battery damage is at high risk. also good for light applications of impact drivers and small drills doing light tasks, or changing your phone.

[@tedmich]

Nice! Surely you could have "ballparked" the Beasts cost estimate?

[@ndoc8889]

The packaging on the fake 8.0 is different than the real 8.0s as well. The genuine batts have “blister sealing” (not sure the industry name for it) circumferentially around the pack whereas the counterfeit typically does not and has the paper glued to the plastic seal.

[@justafatman7]

Use graphite based batteries for a better discharge rate. I've had good luck with turning graphine

[@KunalVaidya]

Can we add a measurement category for entry level DIY cheap cordless drills too, branded and unbranded 12V, 18V category

[@fixingitrightish]

I just upgraded my son's power wheels to run on Milwaukee M18 batteries lol. It cruises now, can drift and do burnouts

[@NutjobGTO]

I always love videos that go "Normal testing, normal testing, normal testing- _UNHINGED LUNACY_"

[@newjonwayne]

Curious if you’ve thought about trying to torque test some of the new electric outdoor equipment. Something like a lawnmower or trimmer would be interesting to see what kinda horsepower they actually put out.

[@ManWithBeard1990]

What messed up the drill, by the look of it, was the anti-backdrive mechanism that's needed to be able to use the keyless chuck with one hand. Can happen if you have a heavy load and let off the trigger too quickly. You can tell that's what happened because for the motor to do that to the chuck by itself you'd have had to have gone in reverse, not forward.

[@859Fiddler]

Don't be surprised if your tools start to unionize on you lmao 🤣😂😂 loved the vid and all the one liners!!

[@dperreno]

"Pissed-off octopus looking thing" 🙂

[@jackking5567]

Just a hint: Battery cells can be cloned too. Those supposedly Samsung cells might not be Samsung. Believe it or not but you can even buy plastic sleeves to shrink onto cells, those sleeves having convincing text already printed onto them!

[@apocolypse11]

I used to ditch the nicd on power tools back in the day n put lipos. Nowadays are rc cars are at 40 volts. 60 volts when I want stuff to catch fire.

[@esqueue]

I was laughing so hard, I had to sit down during the final drill test. Hahahahahaha Edit: the outro recommendations are funny too.

[@Kingsoupturbo]

At least it shows how close to maximum the tools are running on standard batteries, this isn't some electric car that's restricted, until you pay extra for horsepower unlock, they come ready to rock!

[@000622477]

Can you test the DCD130? I'm curious how a mud mixer/drill stacks up against a normal drill

[@minutiesabotage]

I'd love to see a "cost per percent" or "cost per watt" comparison. Not sure how that would turn out with peak power, but I know when comparing amp hours, it can still be more cost effective to get a a couple third party batteries instead of one name brand battery. (Obviously don't include counterfeit batteries, since they are blatantly lying instead of just exaggerating.)

[@alannguyen5050]

Why doesnt the 8.4Ah with Molicel spicy cells out preform the standard HO 8.0 with much less spicy cells? Especially when the 8.4Ah was made great with proper gauge wires and nickle strips?

[@chriswise1232]

I'd love to see a video testing these 12V lithium mower/motorcycle batteries.

[@rizkyp]

Once going with a RC lipo hell break loose optios are available, I am curious about using a High voltage lipo that charged to 4.35v per cells, now that might kill your tools but voltage sags be damn.

[@riba2233]

as far as I understood 12AH forge won't have lipos but 15x tabless 21700 cells, same they use in new MX fuel packs and in makita BL404F :)

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Ahh, good point!

[@riba2233]

@@TorqueTestChannel 👍

[@rogerlatterell7157]

Hello like your video. Matco came out with a new Opti-Grip star bit claiming 400% More force on striped out torx bit. I was hoping you could test that claim. Thanks for putting out good content.

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

The fact _The BEAST_ broke the drill, I feel, is as much a testament to the battery pack being able to deliver, as it is Milwaukee having sourced a monster of a brushless motor!! _(granted, that could've simply been a flawed chunk of metal, but given they had used the drill for awhile up until this point, makes me think that's not the case.)_ As for killing that impact... My uneducated guess is it melted the coating off the windows and caused a short? Or maybe it partially blew open a MOSFET? Dunno, the fact the lights come on, only momentarily in some trigger pulls, but then stayed on for like a second on other pull, makes me think the latter, where the internals could operate _juuust_ long enough to not make it trip the fsilsafe. But when you get the replacement, I guess you could easily test part of this, but taking the blown motor and putting it in the new impact. If it still works, then it's the driver board that shit the bed. 😁 _(I'm reluctant to suggest swapping the boards, in case it somehow ruins the replacement impact's motor)_ Anyways, great video and it's definitely the kind of shenanigans I come here for! And the science, of course... *_Love me_* some science!! ♥️🤘😫🤘

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

I feel like ya'll need to source some of those REALLY BIG Lithium cells, to make a legitimate backpack with. Talking about the ones that are the size of an audio Bass Cap(acitor). Could call it the "Spice Pack", or something more witty than my on the spot thinking can come up with. However, as we found out, the battery board will be the limiting factor IF absolute power is the objective, instead of run time. However, I don't actually know who on YT to collab with, in terms of building or modifying a board to be capable of more delivery - I'm not sure I could trust the knockoff brand to survive lol For that matter, I might be concerned that the board's traces could become a limiting factor! 😅 And I also think it goes without saying that such a backpack would only be for the big tools, like the 2H impact or an electric chainsaw.

[@Johndeere60]

Cant wait for the new flex any idea when she'll be out ttc?

[@andrestoodrip6616]

Can you do one with DeWalt counterfeit batteries?

[@recondax]

For me, do one on each series of the tools. It would see how each of the knock offs can compare to the original. Todd from Project Farm did a similar test on dewalt batteries.

[@nickbrown5201]

I live for Sketchy ass lipo m18 batteries. Maybe wear a fire suit lol

[@TheNottonight]

How about making a battery for the Dewalt power detect. I would like to see it on the drill and saw

[@CreepyChappy]

Let’s see Dewalts Frankensteins

[@donaldhiggs2075]

Might love this channel as much as ProjectFarm.

[@P0licywonk]

Those spicy pillows cook all the beans

[@Sffker]

have you seen the milwaukee 1” railway impact wrench? M18 FHIWF1R-122C looks like it’s only in Europe rn though

[@recondax]

This slightly off topic but Ridgid just announced a pouch 4A battery coming out.

[@swp466]

Very interesting video! Care to sell your dead impact (the one at 12:45)? I'd be interested in it...

[@toolsdealsautomobiles6980]

Can you take 2 6 amp forge and put into a M18 12amp battery

[@johntinsley7563]

So, the Beast annihilated a chuck and fried a mossfet. Prolly leave that one well alone. 12:48 that's actually an easy repair if you want to do it.

[@yxz91]

I wish someone in the r/c world would test batteries like this lol.

[@UncleIvan1]

the quality of milwaukee tools hahaha

[@phillipmoody710]

16:45 ❤"tools st rt to unionize on you"

[@SERBIAZ]

Thai is a great 2 minute video. The last two minutes 😂

[@paranoiia8]

Fellowship of the batteries Two Cells Return of the Beast

[@James-oo3lo]

How does the pistol 1" go with the beast?

[@brewcityb]

I just wish the bigger packs were not so pricey. I have a M18 trimmer (weed Wacker) with a real 8AH only 10 maybe 15 minutes

[@slingin_tires]

Crazy video! Anxious to see the following next: Matco MT3779, Snap on CT9038, and DeWalt DCF500

[@vizanonn1728]

Two of those lipos, could power a 700 size RC helicopter for like, 5-8 minutes.

[@maxgibbs7849]

Can you test the new 40v makita high output battery on the 3/4 gun please

[@Aggemannen117]

So, we should start making our batteries

[@brewsive]

this is such a fun one, good eats ttc and tts

[@triforcewielder8500]

Will you test the DeWalt knockoff batteries next?

[@boosted2.4_sky]

LET'S GO TTC🏁

[@lukeservas6928]

Guaranteed the "Samsung" 21700's in that 8AH Amazon pack are counterfeit.

[@jagleaso]

Hi, can you please do a blinded randomized test of different levels of torque on impacts to determine what is the minimum accurate perceivable difference. Time is easy. Power is not. Please assist us data scientist.

[@WhiteTrashToTreasure]

Great! When can I buy a Beast Battery?

[@AntonioClaudioMichael]

The beast is impressive

[@DIY-Stuff87]

Love this channel

[@romulas-cushmanproject3273]

14:10 “they only suggest a 12.0” I wonder what the torque would be on it if you just put a 2.0 on it

[@TorqueTestChannel]

We tried it with a 5ah at least: kzbin.info/www/bejne/opDTdJh9oraIbtk

[@romulas-cushmanproject3273]

@@TorqueTestChannel ouch, almost 25% loss! Thanks I forgot you tested the 5ah with it

[@boon8318]

i dont know why i keep watching these

[@bobbymulwee7641]

With lipo you need a low voltage cutoff so the battery does catch fire or just die

[@TorqueTestChannel]

That's what the external device it plugs into is for

[@BigBoyz33]

Damn i knew all those milwaukee batteries sold on facebook marketplace was too good to be true

[@UToobSteak]

I have used Molicell batteries, and while they work fine, they don't live long. Spend the few extra bucks for Samsung

[@tomg6284]

Good subject.

[@ixflqr]

It’s an expensive request, but it’d be really neat to see a magnetic drill oomph test.

[@johnland7318]

At one point you compared the output as "about the same as a microwave" which is a bit meaningless - as one is on 120volts and the other is powered by a battery pack. One is spinning food around, the tool is snapping bolts etc

[@TorqueTestChannel]

No we didn't. We weren't comparing the output of a tool to a microwave. We were talking about the dip in voltage on a battery pack with a 700 watt draw. Watts is comparable across any voltage (120V @ 5.8A 18V @ 39A) and we're representing a load on the battery pack so it makes perfect sense.

[@johnland7318]

I'm not an electrician or a physics professor, but the description of the watts involved might be comparable, when discussing the numbers of watts, but was confusing as I listened to it. As I had to imagine a microwave behaving as battery drill( sorry, torque wrench), I do know that a microwave's food spinning motor, Can be used in some model trains as a new motor. Two things turning, brain confused. A Gemini mind - leaps to connections.

[@DJdoppIer]

On today's episode of "how to overclock your power tools": XD

[@MidwestMechanic]

Just get some rc car batteries they have really high rated C batteries like 100+ but the size would be the issue and run time probably.

[@markilleen4027]

could you test a mighty 7 impact

[@DreStyle]

you can bridge the loads ??? lol how i have the same i believe

[@Volcanoelectricity]

You guys really need to be measuring voltage drop right at the pack, and not with the built in voltage readouts of the load testers, especially since one is hooked to the other with alligator clips. The amount of voltage drop the leads are adding could be big, but also inconsistent from setup to setup.

[@costavong6018]

Only buy battery from authorize dealer is safe choice

[@coleBlap]

I think Milwaukee put out something game changing… go check it outttt

[@james10739]

I want to see a new ESC that can do like 10s or something

[@EndlessChicken]

What cells are in the Hercules batteries? Are they any good?

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Same samsing 21700. Very good imo

[@EndlessChicken]

@@TorqueTestChannel Thank you. I have a lot of Bauer tools I'm happy with but would like to use the Hercules batteries. Might just buy a Hercules to Bauer battery adapter!

[@Ckfabworks]

Such a great video

[@zapman2100]

That clone or fake you say says High Output doesn't actually say that, it says "High 6.0ah Output", which is just nonsense but in court they would argue that it doesn't mean Actual high output.

[@joshunderdown8218]

What is the model of that sport welder, I would like to buy that tool @torquetestchannel

[@BenoJ3000]

In regards to the fake batteries numbers being so low, if I had to guess, the cells may be genuine but they are either used, recovered, or are factory rejects. Hence the price.

[@BenoJ3000]

@@johncoops6897 Apologises if I upset you. In regards to the fake batteries, those numbers do not make sense on why they are so low. I have a few genuine Samsung cells that perform better than what I observed. My hypothesis is and was just guessing as to why. I really don't care that much but was thinking out loud. Thanks for the info.

[@amogusenjoyer]

I think the issue was more about the connections even with the added nickel strips. Without good spot welding on the cells themselves, resistance can be huge. Nickel is a lot more resistive than even aluminum so needs a very nice spot weld. Adding tabs on top helps for sure, but the bottleneck is still on the cell connection.

[@BenoJ3000]

@@amogusenjoyer makes sense

[@RyTrapp0]

The comment from OhioPowerTool seems to back this up too - they aren't putting GOOD cells in these things, even if they look the part. The cells are the most expensive individual parts after all.

[@ratdude747]

Or the cells themselves are also fakes?

[@ThriftyToolShed]

That was so fun! Thanks so much for the time and testing you put into this! I really liked those 15 Cell packs, they were crazy strong! With some very nice cells! Thanks again!

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Hey thanks for building it more than once for us, and telling us to keep it around! It's a really fun pack. Let us know if you ever want it back to tinker more.

[@ThriftyToolShed]

@@TorqueTestChannel Awesome! I love the fact that you did want to play around with it more. It was a really fun project and TTC testing is the best!

[@CanadianDerwood]

Those "Beasts" should be commercially available for those of us who are just as reckless with our tool torture. 1450... mmm amperage... I wonder what mag fluid would look like in a jar close to that motor..

[@The_BubbaHoTep]

"This little guy, is on the struggle bus out the gate" This video deserves a like for that quote alone!! 🤣

[@Aspire198]

That's a shirt right there

[@tobiasstaermose]

The lipo tech in RC batteries are pretty crazy. and if you ever feel like making tool monsters again, you can get some absolutely ridicules ESC+motor combos to take any impact hammer to the sky :) Love all the "skunk works" videos!

[@michaelcrouch1779]

“Don’t be surprised if your tools start to unionize” 😂😂😂

[@subverted]

This might be your best video yet! 🤣 Was surprised you risked the 1" D handle after killing the other impact but it was totally worth it

[@TorqueTestChannel]

Sometimes you gotta just slide all your chips onto red and see what happens

[@etherealrose2139]

​@TorqueTestChannel chances are you shorted the windings as they weren't meant for that much power and simply melted some insulation. You should take it apart and test it. The much larger driver likely has a larger motor (obviously) that can handle the increase in power, like you said maybe designed with an eye toward bigger batteries anyways. Either way it can dissipate the heat much better than the smaller driver motor can.

[@TheGuruStud]

@@etherealrose2139 warranty replacement lol

[@Ed_Stuckey]

5:00 _twenty second quarter mile_ 😂

[@DISCOSHOEBOX]

That car is a Daihatsu Mira with a factory 2 cylinder engine. I think the official quarter mile is more like 28 seconds. Trust me, I own one.

[@williamwakely1398]

I had an old diesel station wagon that did a cool 30 something second 1/4 mile....

[@Prochargebatteries]

So our battery made it within 15 FT lb of the beast. Very nice! - Mike

[@veridico84]

I love the "Dr Frankenstein" type videos you do. I have always been one to open up and spice up my tools, sound systems, cars, vacuums, basically everything. This rustles my jimmys. The "holy crap" statement made my day.

[@JohnShalamskas]

"What that thing needs is, MORE POWER!"

[@riba2233]

13:28 "more capacity should mean less voltage drop" not when you have the same number of cells, higher capacity ones will usually have higher IR and more voltage drop. There are some exceptions ofc (like announced molicel P50B) but samsung 50S are not that powerful unfortunately. Forge has higher voltage in this test not just because of IR but because of the chemistry, lipos have different discharge curve with higher average voltage.

[@Thepornstar97]

I sure wish he had tested the peak performance of the P45B pack

[@riba2233]

@@Thepornstar97 yeah, they have basically double the power output compared to 50S cells, or similar to 30T. So that pack should behave like FV 9Ah just with more capacity.