Total War Shogun 2: Clan Tier List

Hello and welcome to my Total War Shogun 2 Clan Tier List Video! The title is super self-explanatory, but I rank all of the Shogun 2 playable clans, including DLC in separate tiers. I hope you find it informative! Let me know in the comments what I should cover in my next video. Also rip Mori naval dominance...
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[@vojislavbelic896]

>Otomo barges in >JESUS >refuses to elaborate further >leaves

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Based megachad

[@ciaranobrien1666]

>your people revolt

[@fourthaeon9418]

@@ciaranobrien1666 >give them more Jesus

[@simonepazsimon7219]

@@fourthaeon9418 OK we happy

[@careyvincentx1925]

Pew Pew!!

[@abad-enoughdude._.3919]

Biggest challenge of this game is resisting recruiting the fun units and instead just spamming ashigaru.

[@TripleZHacker]

Without a doubt!

[@fabianustertius6460]

thats the oda way lol

[@hgyuuuuhj098]

That is very historically accurate BTW. Ashigaru in large numbers pwnd the battllefront. Spears were dumb cheap

[@abad-enoughdude._.3919]

@@hgyuuuuhj098 ya I mean only a small percent of the population was samurai class so to bring 100 samurai and 1000 peasants to a battle was probably accurate.

[@thunderball11111]

Na just go Otomo and sit two fun gun units and two ashigaru in every city making them effectively invulnerable then print yourself the biggest army the world has ever seen and suck towns up one by one :D

[@knox7945]

The obvious best clan are the rebels. They will always keep popping up, and never have a game over.

[@angelsisoromero7403]

yep

[@owarida6241]

Oda: having ten armies for like twenty dollars and having 50 cents as their upkeep haha

[@tahahadada1936]

Their ashigarri kinda feels that it has that made in china tag

[@bannedcommander2932]

@@tahahadada1936 ...except they're better than regular ashigaru as well.

[@christiandauz3742]

Veteran Long Yari Ashigaru with upgraded Armor would slaughter anything in close combat Veteran Bow Ashigaru would slaughter the enemy at range No need for Matchlock

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@christiandauz3742 No need for Matchlock but I want it.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@MK_ULTRA420 Maybe have Oda clan able to use Matchlocks at the start, the research tree provides more buffs. That makes them even more broken

[@gamebawesome]

Ironically, it was the Tokugawa that got to rule Japan for nearly 250 years

[@TripleZHacker]

Exactly!

[@MrAizatazmi]

yeah but the oda did most of the work

[@rizalalbar]

@@MrAizatazmi and Toyotomi

[@shadownight9956]

@@rizalalbar toyotomi nearly did nothing and btw they started osaka war and was near to mess up everything

[@rizalalbar]

@@shadownight9956 nearly did nothing? Dude, they took care and finished what the oda left off since Honnoji. They made an agreement with the Mori when Nobunaga had been assassinated, the Negoro-ji campaign, Shikoku campaign, Toyama campaign, Kyushu campaign,Odawara campaign. How can all of that counted as nearly did nothing?

[@joshuabryant9845]

It's a shame CA kinda butchered the Mori. They did control the west of the country and the seas for quite some time. Their Daimyo is one of my favorites by far, was extremely shrewd in battle. Too bad in Shogun 2 he starts with a -20 to diplomatic relations.

[@krieger8825]

Daimyo Jack Sparrow

[@TheGreatDanish]

A real shame about Mori, because Mori Motonari is one of the big chads of the Sengoku period. Over shadowed by the big Three: Oda, Toyotomi, and Tokugawa, he did some baller stuff in the period. Beat the Aki-Takeda clan while out numbered heavily by holding a river crossing, securing the entire Chukoku region, and smacking down the Otome, The Mori under Motonari were a serious threat. But they totally get shafted by the bad clan bonuses in Shogun 2 :(

[@storm479]

There a person in the comments of the oda experience video said that "5 armies cost like 4 bucks" The reason why oda is the best clan in the game

[@TripleZHacker]

Well said! Plus the ashigaru will gain experience over time if you keep them and be able to match up against better units by that point

[@ronank2432]

@@TripleZHacker imagine those who play vanilla tho, the point where someone has experienced ashigaru the game will just spam naginata samurai and katana doomstacks with experience in 1 turn, with enough experience yari wall becomes gelatin

[@maycontainnuts3127]

@@ronank2432 ballistic gelatin

[@St0neyWanKenobi]

@@maycontainnuts3127 cheap, replaceable ballistic gelatin

[@luismanueljaraservin9183]

I honestly think the Chosokabe are underrated. The farm advantage, great defensive position, close to flethcers and blacksmith, easy to have at least 1 trade port, advance accuracy. I know they aren't S tier, but I think they are A tier. Just my opinion tho

[@h3069]

+ cool flag, nice unit colours.

[@ReviveHF]

When you play as Chosokabe clan, you can replace Katana Samurai with Bow Samurai, while the Daikyu Samurai can replace the Bow Warrior Monks.

[@kolpere1625]

Personally for me, Chosokabe are better than shimazu. Why? First of all,had to say i like turtling strategies and only expanding at early/mid until waiting for my favourite units/being a powerhouse and affording 3/4 elite armies. Now my reasons: -Better colours/aesthetic. -Best arrows of the game (poorer upgraded ashi-arrows than oda, best sam-arrows of the entire game, best dlc bow unit too). -Easy access to stone to make T4 fortress. -Early expansion because sam bow doomstack is cheaper and earlier to recruit. That mean more turns to make money and grow your provinces. -Related to what i said before, since no one of kyushu is considered my enemy at early, i can choose where to invade (i like to invade that very fertile land of the northwest , very well isolated and protected, a perfect spot for nanban port and leaving all the trade routes there). -Same pros than shimazu (trade points, early christianism, etc). -Close to Osaka to quickly conquer its school. The only cons i can think compared to shimazu is that your investment will be at kyushu, and not your other island. Is not really that bad compared to losing a single land of kyushu, but at least you have to protect the stone province, is the only territory worth to protect (meaning an army placed there forever).

[@gaven5479]

I would argue the Chosokabe are S-tier. You can use the daikyu samurai in lieu of bow warrior monks and their bow ashigaru are very good at defending castles for cheap. This means you can convert to Christianity and dominate the sea trade routes using nanban trade ships. The Otomo are the only clan I would expect to easily crumple the Chosokabe in battle

[@Vincrand]

@@ReviveHF The Daikyu aren't really good in the campaign imo. They are probably the best archers in the game, but they don't get the -1 training time.

[@matthewct8167]

If the Mori convert to Christianity, they’ll have the European ships just like the Otomo

[@TripleZHacker]

That’s a fair point, but I mean at that point why not as the player start as the Otomo? You get a better roster and a bonus to matchlocks plus good ships. If the Mori converts they deal with religious differences and still have no bonus to land units overall. It’s arguable that there’s strength in numbers when it comes to navies and out producing clans with tons of ships but I’ve just seen most people not consider the Mori as one of the better Shogun 2 clans.

[@matthewct8167]

@@TripleZHacker good point. I guess in the morning Sun mod the Mori would make more sense

[@matthewct8167]

@@TripleZHacker great video

[@TripleZHacker]

@@matthewct8167 I think whoever the player plays as though is certainly the best clan always but yes with mods the Mori can dominate! Tbh I wish that got their own unique traditional Japanese ship like the Nihon Maru!

[@Nathan-ys9vk]

@@TripleZHacker because i don't have the dlc xD

[@spamquisition4046]

Sending a wave of missionary to turn the entire country into rebels before swooping down and "Restoring Order" is an amazing strategy as the Otomo. A big middle finger to Realm Divide as well :D Love the video mate!

[@TripleZHacker]

Thanks mate 😁 yes quite satisfying

[@cheapnugget7939]

So you just put your missionaries in their provinces and let them stay there?

[@spamquisition4046]

​@@cheapnugget7939 The Missionary can do an action on the enemy city to cause unrest, it won't happen 100% of the time but if you train your priests right and are patient with it then they can turn the entirety of Japan into Christian rebels that are easy to mop up. Best thing about it is since most of the areas are rebels Realm Divide wouldn't matter as much.

[@dallascimini3619]

@@spamquisition4046 how do you expand to mainland Japan and survive realm divide as the otomo?

[@spamquisition4046]

​@@dallascimini3619 Easy! Just send missionaries and throw the entirety of mainland japan to a rebel filled realm. Even if the Clans survive the rebellions, hopefully there'll be enough rebels to form a buffer between your territories and theirs. I usually secure Kyushu and Shikoku first before expanding to the main island however. Your navy, with their Nanban Trade Ships, should be more than enough to protect the islands from the other clans. Likewise, your army should consist of Yari Ashigaru and Matchlock Ashigaru (Replace with Portuguese Tercos once you're able) along with whatever else you can get and simply fight from the west to the east. Missionaries are absolutely critical for an Otomo campaign, they'll help you secure provinces by converting the population and debilitate your foes by causing unrest and rebellion. By the time Realm Divide hits, there should be a biiiig void of grey rebel held areas between the enemy clans and your territory. Hope this helps!

[@RusskiBlusski]

"Walmart Katana Samurai" Jesus, I'm dying XD Definitely calling them that from now on.

[@TripleZHacker]

:)

[@estest7326]

they climb walls pretty quick in sieges though, can blitz through with them

[@niepowaznyczlowiek]

Look up "dve rusky"

[@bannedcommander2932]

Even if the Mori aren't the best at anything, they can't possibly be worse than the Hattori. The Hattori have a rotten starting position with a bad economy and most of their units have a higher upkeep cost, not to mention that taking Omi immediately gets you jumped by the Ikko Ikki with the Oda and/or Takeda often joining in the fun as well. At least the Mori are close to Kyushu and can often kill the Otomo before they can become a major threat.

[@TripleZHacker]

Yeah that’s a really good point, ideally I think they would be switched, although I believe the Hattori Daimyo has night attack which helps in some cases but yeah the Ikko vs Oda vs Hattori fight in central Japan is not fun for the Hattori

[@jasperlim8319]

Can someone explain to me how in my hard Oda game the Hattori jumped everyone around Kyoto and went on a murder spree against southern Honshu, wiping out the Mori, and killing multiple Ikko Ikki armies?

[@TripleZHacker]

@@jasperlim8319 Hattori AI is busted and really strong tbh I’ve had it happen in multiple campaign games of mine.

[@joshuabryant9845]

@@TripleZHacker Mori Motonari has night attacks too actually.

[@TripleZHacker]

@@joshuabryant9845 yeah I honestly forgot about that aspect of their campaign, so again they might be bottom C tier maybe, still I think the no bonus to land units and only getting the best ship if you covert to christianity is rough

[@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts]

It’s crazy, the uesugi clan was m’y number one obstacle after realm divide. They constantly hit me with large and quality armies and they conquered all of Japan north of owari and the while was focused on the shogun and the clans near kyoto. Til the bitter end. Thé ai just moved through hard work like a shonen protagonist. Still lost to the might of infinite yari ash hordes

[@RagerAwesomeNova]

My first run I started shimazu, at realm divide iko ikki had middle control in japan while takeda and hojo were allied, fighting iko ikki so I figured okay let’s try and ally to take them on, nah. I took some of their land and then the shogun is afraid of me...

[@cisarovnajosefina4525]

They were the first clan I won with

[@chadnorris8257]

When I play Takeda, I usually have to get rid of Uesugi fast. I think when you're not playing the clan, Uesugi and Oda don't have the rebel units in their province, which might explain the large starting units. Once Uesugi is gone, I can usually rely on Satake as my eastern ally. Hojo is usually dependable too, but I usually want to take his lands for myself, so I don't ally with him.

[@theuser6705]

The Uesugi was never alive by the time I reached the middle

[@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts]

@@RagerAwesomeNova heavenly-donuts on steam homie

[@cethapplegate594]

Otomo also have an early game strategy where they can get five provinces by turn 2.

[@TripleZHacker]

Share your wisdom 👀

[@TheRewasder97]

@@TripleZHacker Mr.SmartDonkey did it in his legendary Otomo campaign, it's hard and you will have to deal with rebellions, but it's quite interesting

[@TripleZHacker]

@@TheRewasder97 oh really I’ll have to rewatch that for sure then, thank you for letting me know

[@brainwasher9876]

@@TripleZHacker You move your starting army in the north province to siege the one to its west, and use your starting army in the southern province to attack Sagara. Using the hill advantage for both battles you can use your matchlocks to destroy them. Next turn, you capture both provinces, give strategist 1+2 to your northern general, and have him take out the remaining north-western province.

[@TripleZHacker]

@@Cortesevasive I have over 1.5k hours in this game and just watched his Otomo campaign years ago and forgot, I’ve won a multiplayer tournament in this game, please get off my channel and realize how stupid you are for even commenting that.

[@tenchimuyo69]

Historically, the Mori just had friendly relationships with pirates, so it wasn't so much that they had the best navy in quality in ships so much as they had the biggest in quantity. They were a thorn in the side of the Oda by using this fleet to reinforce and supply Ikko Ikki forces at Ishiyama.

[@WhatTheFuckIsAHandle]

So glad to still see folks making Shogun content

[@thegrass7199]

It's still the best Total War game throughout the years.

[@nemo0036]

You know what? Despite the Tokugawa being the victors historically, their position as a very hard clan ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE. They basically had to claw their way up in the early years as hard-fighting country bumpkin Samurai serving the Imagawa. And Ieyasu's shrewdness does lend well to the diplomacy bonuses the clan gets in-game. So their final victory is up to YOU, THE PLAYER. Really think though they should've gotten Yari Samurai bonuses in general (lackluster, but it's at least better), as opposed to the unplayably broken ninja unit they got. Y'know, make them similar to the Date Bulletproof Samurai, maybe slightly inferior. CA's MISSED OPPORTUNITY: Why the hell can we NOT get Date Masamune as a grandchild!? You mean to tell me I can't play as the One-Eyed Dragon of Oshu!? It's quite interesting how the Mogami (the Date Clan's neighbour) are very very underrated historically. True, they lost to the Date, but they played some pretty important roles under Mogami Yoshiaki, "The Fox of Dewa". Most notable was the Battle of Hasedo during the Sekigahara campaign, where outnumbered Date-Mogami forces repelled the Uesugi.

[@positive2772]

nerd alert

[@fsdds1488]

Also the intergrity bonus should be given to Tokugawa as well, Mikawa people are highly loyal, brave and had a very simple mindset, similar to the hot-headed traditionalist Kanto samurai, so in realistic terms Tokugawa should have high loyalty generals and increased moral for soldiers.

[@atNguyen-gm9xi]

Date Terumune - Date Masamune's father - is the reason. Since the One-eyed Dragon was born in 1567, and his father was still a child then. You can see it in the in-game family tree to confirm yourself

[@lucasquintanilla1673]

It’s pretty clear then that the player in real life must have been the Tokugawa

[@ReviveHF]

@@fsdds1488 Then CA gave those bonuses to Liu Bei Faction in 3K Total War, then leave Shogun 2 to the dust.🤣

[@beter21137]

Date:: *Uses alot the katanas and nodachis and gets to use "banzai charge" alot* Date: HA HA HA HA HA! THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE BEST!!!!

[@TheManofthecross]

*brings in lots of guns and pikes to stop there charges and brings lots of cannons for bonus points.* top that

[@simonepazsimon7219]

@@TheManofthecross Takeda general: SASAGAEYO!!!! Takeda recruit: But sir! They got spears! Takeda General: Spear shall be shaken, shield be splintered, Ride now, ride now! Ride to RUIN! AND TO WORLD'S END!!!

[@blitzkierg3455]

@@simonepazsimon7219 Oda General: HEHEHE BOOMSTICK GO BURR

[@simonepazsimon7219]

@@blitzkierg3455 Takeda General: Guess we will die ¯\_(ツ)_/¯............ BUT WE SHALL DIE WITH HONOR! CHARGE!!!!!! *this scene* kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWTWg62PlLeLes0

[@blitzkierg3455]

@@simonepazsimon7219 Valiant Defeat

[@crozraven]

Tokugawa clan being the actual unifier clan IRL history but git the hardest condition to deal with. Welp. Maybe it's true, People really did think it's almost impossible for Tokugawa can ever become a unifier & shogun of Japan LOL

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Cause the Oda did most of the work. The Tokugawa were basically the last man standing.

[@kogerugaming]

Well, the Oda clan did most of the job, with the help of Toyotomi Hideyoshi and Tokugawa Ieyasu. When Oda Nobunaga was betrayed by one of his subordinates, Hideyoshi rushed back, destroyed the general, and took Oda's place. Hideyoshi effectively unified Japan first, he even invaded Korea with a huge samurai army (wanted to invade China, but Koreans didn't let him through), bringing countless death, and like.. zero results. Then after he died, Ieyasu was the strongest Daimyo in all of Japan, yet still, there was opposition. The battle of Sekigahara decided that Ieyasu is the ultimate power, and he and his clan made sure that their reign stays for a long time.

[@zadiellyhd5292]

My favorite strategy as the otomo was to just send in high level missionaries and let the rebels do all thr work. I just focused on my own provinces and soon Japan was ruled by christian rebels

[@RobloxGamer-ni9ts]

Well, I don't use them at all (only one dude just chills at one of my towns). All heretics must be killed with the bullet

[@KL-un8sf]

With the Ikko Ikki you can offer one province clans a really one sided treaty in their favour to move through their territory and start a revolt then help them defend and then just surrender and they lose no matter what and you get a free province.

[@MrFallzAlot]

Can we get an F in the chat for the man who ACTUALLY uses Edge as their primary browser...

[@aBANDIT.]

Idk bro he can pin stuff to his task bar

[@odlfmariner470]

I like edge

[@thunderball11111]

@@odlfmariner470 f

[@sauromatae9728]

Any browser is just a chromium version.

[@liamjm9278]

Edge master race.

[@Metro_6969]

Literally just bought the game yesterday so im glad new guide videos are still being made especially since its my first total war game

[@lethaltakedown6628]

Video popped up randomly on my suggestions I'm pleasantly surprised by the great quality keep it up.

[@TripleZHacker]

Thank you so much!

[@XiaoXiao_416]

The proximity to the school building, is the main factor to determine clan strength. In campaign, the strength of any clan comes from its economy, which comes from 5 level 3 metsukes, which comes from magistrate building. The most notable school is suruga held by imagawa. Oda Tokugawa Takeda Hojo, all have easy access, which makes them all very strong clans. On the other hand, Ikko Ikki can not recruit metsuke, which makes them a very weak clan (or a challenging clan to play). Date Uesugi Chosokabe have difficult access to school, which makes their economy very weak in the mid-game. Hattori is near settsu, and along with very fertile soil provinces nearby, more than compensates for the higher upkeep. All the other things you talked about in the video are all very minor, which doesn't effect gameplay very much. Based on the ease of accessing the school building: S: Oda Tokugawa Takeda Hojo Otomo A: Hattori Shimazu B: Mori C: Date Uesugi Chosokabe Shamefur Dispray: Ikko Ikki

[@saskue357]

super good video. Even though Hattori get shafted in terms of position, I just can't get enough of their gameplay. Having my army entrenched around the enemy and baiting them with a small visible force in the center and then defeating them with pincer attacks is so damn satisfying. Also their color scheme is just sick.

[@IAmTheStig32]

I cannot recommend enough the Extended Clan Unit Bonuses mod by Blue's Clues. It addresses a lot of the imbalances between the clans, kills ashigaru spam while also buffing many of the seldom-used units like kisho ninja and nodachi samurai. Tokugawa particularly benefit a lot from this mod, due to the big changes ninja get. Mori still bottom-tier unfortunately, but otherwise excellent.

[@flaggy185]

Being focused on naval battles in total war is a recipe for being bad

[@IAmTheStig32]

​@@flaggy185 They are still in a better spot than the vanilla game, at least.

[@imperialguardsman5726]

​@@flaggy185 except maybe on empire

[@flaggy185]

@@imperialguardsman5726 well, yeah United Kingdom is op in Empire lol

[@RocketHarry865]

UK great because they get some of the best ships and they still get good infantry that are able to do the job in ground battles. Also they have a great starting position a decently skilled player can effectively lock down the British Isles and Ireland and can still rush the trade nodes and cleanse the Carribbean of pirate scum. They can even invade France for an Early knock out blow disabling what should have been their greatest historical rival. Yeah Britain is a little too op. I would have loved some more challenge for Britain like a scripted Jacobite Rebellion

[@thunderswoosh08]

I feel like Hittori's agent usage was overlooked. Ninjas being able to make enemy armies completely unable to be used with destroying their movement lets you pick whatever battles you want.

[@AzoiatheCobra]

more than picking battles, i used my ninjas as traps... wanna invade me? guess whos is going trough winter atrition year after year after year

[@spacewargamer4181]

They are A, not C.

[@kaijuslayer3334]

@@spacewargamer4181The problem with the Hattori is they add a higher cost to all Ashigaru and Samurai based units due to the Kisho training trait. Meaning the amount of gold you need to field the same amount of troops is a decent bit more. Which is killer in higher difficulties where you need to be making money.

[@kabaleskus]

Just started playing Otomo for first time - infact my first non-FOTS playthrough, so this video recommendation was definitely well timed. Interesting to see the thoughts of a veteran player

[@VIC-jk2qd]

Thanks for posting this. I recently got back into total war after taking a break for like 7 years. I just beat Rome 2 on hard difficulty with full map control and I’m planning on starting shogun 2 tonight. I didn’t remember anything about the clans. I’m also thinking about getting the fall of the samurai dlc.

[@tommyfortress7515]

Shimazu also has a christianity buff. They have samurai muskets

[@LtVictory]

I'm happy to see content for a game this old thanks

[@TripleZHacker]

Welcome and thanks for the comment

[@Tayvin4042]

Honestly, I think the Mori's sea traits need to be more powerful, as well as getting the more powerful ships way earlier, like a tier earlier. Or just having a fleet and a Nihon Maru right out the gate so you can immediately start having fun dominating the seas.

[@nukesomething5518]

the hattori having night battles on all thier generals means you can pretty much counter the ikko ikki stack spam as long as you are on the attack i would put them at b tbh

[@TripleZHacker]

Night battles are nice but the devs messed up their kisho ninja stats and that extra upkeep cost is ridiculous, I still think they’re fun to play as but just not up to the level of the other clans, but to each their own!

[@justauser5222]

@@TripleZHacker It is ridiculous they still haven't released a fix. I don't think that is hard, right? It is just a minor fix.

[@TripleZHacker]

@@justauser5222 Yeah right? I do know there’s a mod fix for it I think on the steam workshop though

[@eff_gee321]

The thing about this game imo, every clan is strong in its own way, the ikko ikki with their swordsmen, the hattori with their stealth units, and even the mori with their wako raiders. They don't make games this balanced nowadays.

[@clover_thorns]

This guy is gonna blow up in a few months, really damn good content

[@TripleZHacker]

Thank you so much man!

[@bogdangabrielonete3467]

Some arguments in favour of Chosokabe clan: archers in Shogun TW are DEADLY. The lack of shields in all units make them vulnerable to arrows, and archers are golden in defensive battles, especially in sieges (3 full armies vs one of mine defending... it was a slaughter with almost 0 loses to my army). Another thing is recruiting samurai archers : unless they are fighting well trained katana or cav units, they can actually hold themselves fairly well in melee. In addition, their starting region has wood, which is a useful bargain chip in trading, and also helps their navy units in the beginning when you are trying to rush for the supply routes. Their island is also well positioned, since it allows them to choose what they want to attack : southern main island coast, or the neighboring island to the left, so you can make opportunity attacks as you see fit. Also, since there is no other major clan on the starting island, taking it is easy. Then you can quickly rush left while the other clans are duking it out and just ambush either of them or both, thus taking that island as well rather easily if planned right. Once you secured both you can start going mainland from left to right, so when total war is declared, you will only have 1 front to worry about, since you should be pretty close to the capital by the time war is declared. I would be placing them somewhere between upper B and lower A tbh

[@inventor121]

Yep, also by the same logic I would not rank Shimazu as S tier since they will loose to Chosokabe. By the time the Shimazu get in melee range (provided they haven't converted to Christianity) they won't have a third of an army left.

[@Srrrgp]

Lovely vid, enjoyed it!

[@Fazmukadar]

Ah, you sparked my interest in this game again. God damnit you did a good job

[@RandomPerson-zy5pr]

I have to say something about Mori. They still have a better ships because of their upkeep. Fire Bomb ship has upkeep 100, but Mori version - 50. I think it's a big difference - you can maintain 2 ships instead of 1. And it really helps in the fight for trade nodes. I would say Mori is the best faction in those fights, excluding christians. Bombers are devastating in the fight against bigger ships. Same discount with siege tower and matchlock ships. For Heavy Ships - 175 upkeep vs 100 upkeep. No other faction has such a large reduction in upkeep costs. Let's add the lower recruitment price to that. Yeah, Otomo gets 1 matchlock from the beginning, but only one. To build another one faction has to build drydock. All in all, I still think bomber ships are even more powerful than matchlock ships. And you can get them early, it's about 10 turns to invent required tech.

[@maunz5791]

The Mori deserve more love! The red color looks very nice, the starting position is pretty okay and the flintlock kobaya you have at the beginning can really make a difference in early naval battles. The katana woku are very useful too, as they are much cheaper than samurai but have the same attack stats. And I never saw an ai faction using the namban ships during a campaign, besides everyone being able to convert to christianity and recute them, not just the otomo. Well. And the red looks nice. Besides that, a very nice video! 😉

[@runtoth3abyss]

Yeah I was surprised when I learned the Mori hate. They have a good starting position with gold nearby. I liked the wako raiders. You build them with an encampment and additional armor and later in the game if you get a province like satsuma with an armoury and military port their stats become awesome. I'd regularly use their kisho training to place them where I knew a defender would deploy and wreak havoc. Then let the bulk of my army mop up. I liked that kisho training experience a lot more than Hattori honestly.

[@nemamiah7832]

Considering the fact that the engagements in Shogun 2 are often won or lost exclusively by application of Charge, Date bonus to Charge is... Pretty damn strong. NGL.

[@98liquid]

When the Mori Samurai goes into a Otomo Store and sees a lack of Display and suddenly yells "SHAMEFUR DISPRAY" at the Otomo Store Manager.

[@torterrionguy1054]

You earned yourself a subscriber, sir!

[@miauw8762]

This game is timeless. Can’t believe it’s more than 12 years old

[@jamiesnack]

fun fact: nanban trade ship isnt otomo exclusive, they just get it earlier on

[@MutheiM_Marz]

fun fact: The Black Ship is recruitable, i modded in exclusive to Otomo, Mori, Shimazu.

[@HP_lovecrafts_cat67]

The thing about uesugi that makes me love them is that its one of the few clans that actually make me think with my head instead of going “haha monk go brrr” so i had to make good relations with the steamrollers of japan like takeda and the oda which makes me really like them plus i like a good challenge but god at the start it’s annoying to play as them

[@James-sk4db]

I had a lot of restarts before I got them down. Basically vassal used jimbo, then went north and slowly worked down. Need a large contingent sitting in your capital to dissuade takeda spam.

[@harlek1149]

Uesugi start is really tough, the Takeda can get really powerful really quickly, the Hojo can be treacherous, your vassal will pull you into wars and even Sado island can be bit of a trap - it’s rich but you need to pour a lot of Koku into it to to get a return. Even if you survive all this you’ll likely end up with the Date breathing down your neck and push west to find a monstrous Oda empire to fight. Upset the Hatakayama? They’ll be a pain in your rear end for most of the campaign. It’s tough… but when you get settled and start pushing back it’s really satisfying.

[@digo130]

Hojo fire rockets are literally the ultimate mass destruction weapon in this game

[@CardDontShoot]

Uesugi is a fun campaign given, if not a bit frustrating at times. Plus those units are just a blast to use.

[@JH-en4ur]

Hattori are underrated. They start near 4 fertile to very fertile soil territories. They start next to 2 Hallowed Grounds and THREE Ninja fortresses. With 4-5 territories and enough Ninja Agents that can stun lock armies infinitely... Hattori are so good. I

[@TheShogunate]

Great Video, Great memes!

[@TripleZHacker]

Thanks mate :)

[@remingtonarcher1335]

I can understand your opinion that Otomo's position ranks them a solid A tier, but I personally rank them even higher... I've pulled some crazy shit with the Otomo clan, as an example I played mostly as a "Turtle" on Kyushu, just researching technologies, converting the population to "The One True Faith" and building up economic potential to sustain a giant army, began my holy crusade of the Eastern Islands, and long-story short I completed the Domination campaign by 1579. Right on time to switch to Fall of the Samurai and try it all again as the Jozai Clan. In Addition, the amount of Matchlock spam can be enormous, Melee centered armies evaporate under an highly experienced 5 - Matchlock defensive line and 5 - Samurai Bowmen behind them. Have 2-3 Melee Calvary units at their flank, Its simple and devastating to enemy Morale and units. And like you said during the video, the Otomo as Christians can field the Portuguese-style Trade ship, armed with cannons. And while they are not the only clan limited to this, they are THE first or one of the first to acquire them, leading to great Early-Game advantages in conquering lone islands, or planning Naval Invasions Abroad. In any case, Great Video @TripleZHacker I really enjoyed it, keep doing what you do best!

[@TripleZHacker]

Thanks and honestly yeah in the hands of the player the Otomo can be so deadly, I put them as A simply because you have to turtle and convert which takes some time whereas the Oda and Shimazu (if you don’t turn Christian) don’t have to convert (aside from the Shimazu converting the Christians back to Shinto), but in terms of unit roster there’s no question that the Otomo have the luxury of some of the most powerful units in the game. Only issue is that the position in the early game is a bit tenuous and requires some precise execution on the higher difficulties, but yeah once you got Kyushu the rest of Japan will bow down to your economic might.

[@RobloxGamer-ni9ts]

I'm using only one bow ashigaru and it's my starting bow ashigaru. Main part of my stack is 4 tercus and 4 naginata samurais. Just put tercus infront of naginatas (they must be very close, like 4-5 meters or even less) and enable volley fire. When enemy will start charging at tercus let tercus do 2-3 volleys and after they must fall back behind naginatas. After that you wait when enemy infantry attacks your naginatas and outflank them with tercus, so tercus will start shoot in their flanks, what will kill enemy morale almost instantly. It usually works very good when enemy has got low numbers of calvary. But when there's a lot of calvary All your plans can be ruined by them. I even have 2 yari samurais (also 2 yari ashigarus, but they are for defend my european cannons) for cover my flanks but sometimes it's not enough. You can have even 6 tercus and 6 naginatas but you will pay for that with 3 another squads (in my army that will be all my calvary and these bowmen). You can have 5 tercus and 5 naginatas but that will result into some problems with organisation, like one group will be larger than other one (if you'll divide your army in 2 groups) or each one flank group will be larger that central one (if you'll divide in 3 groups) what is inconvinient.

[@crvptrvp]

Playing a Co-op Campaign with a friend rn, I play Hattori, he plays Tokugawa and honestly, it's super fun. What I love most is that it kinda is historically inspired and it just feels awesome gaining that kind of control. You actually feel supreme. Yes the Hattori are Expensive but honestly once you get your Economy going you just don't care. Night Battles are your best friend though. Tokugawa can milk fractions off their Koku with their diplomacy boost with ease and keep allies for longer which is important so in that time you get the trades up and make money that way, you can lower taxes to minimal and have a town growth that sustains the endgame. We are one step away from realm divide, have the Hatakeyama, Tsutsui, Otomo, Chosokabe and Uesugi left, trade with everyone, I gain 10k through trade, 6k through taxes (2k from Omi alone, all Provinces on minimal taxes) and have an Army and Navy Upkeep of about 12k rn. So 28k income total. Cost becomes obsolete at this point. Of course this is in Coop though. Would definitely say Hattori and Tokugawa are still my favourite Clans, even for single player campaign.

[@danielharshman796]

ikko ikki also starts with artisans (upgrade to fletchers) and a blacksmith (upgrade to armourer), they dont start out at war so its easy to build a upgraded army early game with them

[@Fisho1997]

Whyyyyy? Does this channel only have 500 or so subs? This was very entertaining, keep it going

[@TripleZHacker]

Thank you so much!

[@levinb1]

21:00 Ironically the Samurai class traditionally were mounted Horse Archers first and then the Katana was for last defense upon being dismounted and their bow is no longer of use nor effective.

[@UntiltedName]

Night Fighting and ambushing helps Hattori deal with stack spam from Oda. It never really feels like you can get a leg up on them until they're completely destroyed, however.

[@spacewargamer4181]

Hattori C? Kisho training is strong as hell lmao, specially in sieges where you will be in front of the castle the moment you spawn lol, you basically can choose where to deploy, and that means better and more dangerous ambushes too with the fight going on wherever you want.

[@rizalalbar]

I thought this video would be atleadt from 5 years ago. Well, here i go subscribing again.

[@TripleZHacker]

Shogun 2 lives on even in 2021! Thanks a bunch!

[@rizalalbar]

@@TripleZHacker you're welcome dude.

[@CrazedBlue0115]

Uesugi Clan, out of all the clans I played, was the one that gave me the easiest campaign personally, but that might be because I love waging war on a massive scale and tend to not care whom is at the end of my blade just as long as there is someone at the end of the blade, which Uesgi Clan (No idea if im spelling it right, its been awhile, so my apologies) does indeed have plenty of people to start lobbing heads off of. plus I love the look and playstyle of the warrior monks, a tad more than the samurai, but ultimately i love them almost equally and in my Japanese conquest i used a nice combination of the two with smaller ashigaru support armies to conquer all of japan

[@kaijuslayer3334]

The Hattori being higher then the Mori is sheer heresy

[@Nikcollini]

Cool factor though

[@rohankirkpatrick5078]

I thought Date (at least on Very Hard- Short Campaign) was the most difficult experience in Shogun 2. Basically the entire strarting 5 to 10 turns have to be played perfectly or your hemmed in by 'allies' and have to incur heavy diplomatic penalties later to break out. You're quite vulernable to navy and if you don't invest enough you will be blockaded to death before you can build your eco. You will still be blockaded no matter what, it's just a question of whether you can earnenough to prevent the inevitable march of enemy stacks into your home 4 (if you even got that far)./ Expansion isn't any easier as it immediately splits into two widely separated lanes at Fukushima, and then into the opern areas between Shimtosuke and Kai. It's very difficult to hold when dealing with a Hojo-Takeda bloc in the centre, Uesegi on the north coast and usually Oda pushing from the South, along the Edo axis (usually, bot not always at Hojo-Takedas expense). Trying to hold this plains area, whilst plugging the three lanes through the mountains; building your eco, and maintaining army strength for a push *in time* to reach the campaign objectives is really difficult. I foudn campaigns in the centre of Japan comparatively easy, as once I was able to bring armies to bear on my enemies economy in the early game, I snowballed quickly. Compare this to the distance between cities in the North - average distance is 2+ turns; you can capture multiple cities per turn in central Japan. Shimazu another one of my favourites, don't suffer from this as much, because despite being in an analogous position, Shimazu's experience is very different due to province density - not to mention the relative wealth of those provinces. Both still have to hoof it to Kyoto in a short campaign though, it's just much easier to get started as Shimazu, imo. Anyways I digress; I think one key takeaway here is that campaign difficulty changes dramatically when choosing Long or Short Campaign, and you'd probably need a tier list for both.

[@callum105]

uesugi was the first clan i completed the campaign with, super fun once u get past the initial challenge and have an army of pissed off monks

[@HolgerLovesMusic]

The only thing I would change is Takeda into B Tier and Date into A Tier. Other than that, I agree 100%.

[@kordroll1955]

Also Shimazu into B Tier, Chosokabe into A Tier

[@elfyy.]

I love the part in the thumbnail where it says SHAMEFUR DISPRAY

[@TempestInMe]

Fun list - ikko should def be -1 as the have NO METSUKES!!

[@TripleZHacker]

Oh big facts right there

[@maxmustermann-zx9yq]

but they can immediatly have discount katanas, if a micro god like volund you can easily defend your castle even if outnumbered 1:5, so just rush to getting every province with cheap katana ashigaru

[@Zushi_Tsunami]

When I won as Tokugawa it was such a great feeling it was a hard victory.

[@chainedsharkmedia2699]

Can you do a tier list for Fall of the Samurai Clans? I gotta say that Aizu is S tier. The starting position is tough but you can secure the north and will able to hold out better. Heck, after the North is secured, you can secure Sado island and even head south to get Sagami which is a better training hub in my own opinion. Plus, the Aizu have 4 unique units and I gotta say Vermillion Bird Force are amazing for Republic campaign. :3

[@mingyuhuang8944]

Ayo bruh great video. Got this game and all dlc for free and been loving. Oda really out here with soviet tactics and and having a flood of yari ashigaru for like cents of upkeep lmao

[@anvos658]

Christian Shimazu is so much more fun though, and you already have a cross on your banner. Plus then you have strong navy and strong army with boomsticks to back up your swords.

[@spicykorean]

cool that someone is still making content for shogun2.

[@TripleZHacker]

Thank you, and I love this game

[@faizwez9554]

Good tier list~ also the fact that you can recruit Naginata Warrior Monk pretty early as Ikko Ikki and you also got that as a garrison unit for building the Jodo Shinsu temple, it does make Ikko Ikki a really good clan imo :)

[@TripleZHacker]

Thank you! Yeah Ikko can be very powerful

[@husnain-wi1bp]

Nice video, this make me re download the game

[@Valscorn01]

Oddly enough, the Mori are the only can I have so far, taken every single province with. It’s a good idea for the mori to capture the black ship as soon as possible, you will rarely lose a sea battle afterwards. Wako raiders are actually a pretty good early to mid game unit.

[@bedasovsem8653]

Hattori can get leveled up ninjas and metsukes really early on and with minimal expanding. After that they are safe to bully everyone in central Japan. Money definitely will be a problem really early on, but their economy skyrockets right after getting smuggling network and metsukes. And ninja superiority can easily be used to mess up with everything Oda and Ikko-Ikko will throw at you. Also every Hattori general have night attack trait - great thing to have both in early and late game, especially on legendary. Not to mention the taking Kyoto from turn 1/2 thing. Hattori are indeed a very difficult clan to start with, but they also can be extremely powerful if used carefully.

[@TripleZHacker]

Yes all solid points for sure, again in the hands of a player any clan can be great but imagine a multiplayer campaign where there’s all the clans played by someone, I think the Hattori could do fine but once the oda and ikko advance it will be difficult, but yeah good points for sure.

[@bedasovsem8653]

I personally think Hattori's worst enemy in early game are actually... Hatakeyama. By the time you start encoutering large forces of Ikko-Ikki and Oda you should already have something to relly on (plus sometimes Oda gets really messed up by Imagawa, Takeda or even Tokugawa lmao). But Hatakeyama is the enemy you need to crush with maximal speed and minimal losses, while have very limited resources. Otherwise Hatakeyama will slow down your first stages of expansion and make vulnerable.

[@TripleZHacker]

@@bedasovsem8653 oh that’s a good point honestly, I tend to forgot about them. Usually the Ikko give me the most trouble

[@Z1SM]

nice video in my recommendations

[@TripleZHacker]

Thank you!

[@Red-bw5kl]

The takeda deserve to be S tier, because they are so badass.. Everyone can agree on that.

[@TripleZHacker]

I mean I’m the biggest Takeda fan but I had to be objective lol

[@Red-bw5kl]

@@TripleZHacker yeah I understand, that was just an opinion Great video though keep them coming, I'm already subbed

[@TripleZHacker]

@@Red-bw5kl thank you so much! And will do!

[@shidqifarrasi9783]

@@TripleZHacker didn't you say this will be a subjective one? At the start of video.

[@TripleZHacker]

@@shidqifarrasi9783 Well yes subjective as in its my "objectivity" haha its a bit complicated. Subjectivity is unavoidable in these types of videos but I try to be objective. If it were up to me Takeda would be S because Cav but my objectivity makes me put them lower

[@neilkris6631]

Will you make a tier list for Fall of the Samurai clans too?

[@TripleZHacker]

Someday for sure! :)

[@ronank2432]

@@TripleZHacker obv obama already is the real s tier

[@szarixon2798]

Hey, what would be the best AI clan in your opinion to start with? There are all clans playable mods on steam

[@brandonbowden1262]

I love the Uesugi. Monks are amazing, especially bowman. They will wipe the floor with pretty much anything.

[@aranighosh3945]

Will you do a Fall of the samurai clan tierlist ?

[@trapaneezus]

Oda are elder god tier. It's basically sandbox mode. You can fully garrison your core provinces with full stacks and use your main army to expand in whatever direction you want. Sometimes I like taking the whole northern half, other times I send an invasion force and take Kyushu and squeeze the other clans from both sides. Sieges are so good in the game that sometimes it's fun to just sit in castles and let the AI send stack after stack. Even if you lose you can just send a stack of your own to take a province right back 😂

[@avisdunrandom]

Love to see that Tokugawa is the worst cause they are normally a diplomatic clan however diplomatic in shogun 2 vanilla suck (can't make vassal to have vassal only honor farm and every hate you during senkoku).

[@stavroskassinos7834]

Favorite thing in Shogun 2 is spamming siege tower bune in my navies. Rarely lose if I command the battle myself

[@Vincrand]

I'd say the Oda are the best clan if you don't play on legendary. The extra starting troops, recruitment slots and reduced upkeep your enemies get on legendary make it a very difficult start. Once you're through that it's a steamroller. Clans that don't have many enemies, have a descent starting eco and don't have to walk to far between provinces are best when playing legendary imo (Shimazu, Hojo, Chosakbe).

[@jodofe4879]

Mori definitely should not be at the bottom. The Mori start close to the trade nodes and with their better ships they have an easy time outcompeting rivals there. Their economic game is really strong as a result. Sure, the Otomo have early access to the Nanban trade ship which can overpower most Mori ships (they are vulnerable to fire bomb kobaya spam though), but since the Nanban trade ship is tied to religion rather than clan, the Mori can get a better version of that ship anyways if they convert (which you should, since Christianity is OP). The Mori clan bonus is definitely not nullified by the existence of the Nanban trade ship, since all of your ships (including the Nanban trade ship, which gets increased morale because of your clan bonus) are still better than those of other clans, which makes establishing naval dominance much easier. They are at least C tier, probably even B because it is so easy to steamroll with their economy. Date shouldn't be in B tier because of their crappy economy (extremely far away from most trade nodes) and bad starting position. They are kinda isolated so they can't develop as fast as the more southern clans and their distance to the trade nodes at the southern end of the map further hamstrings their economic potential for most of the game. They are fun to play once you get past the really slow early game, but they are definitely not one of the strongest clans if you compare them to other B tiers like the Chosokabe or Hojo. For these reasons, Date should be C tier in my opinion. Apart from these, I really liked your tier list! I thought it was pretty accurate.

[@TripleZHacker]

Fair points and a solid argument on your part, thanks for the comment and your thoughts! I’d say that sure Mori are probably bottom c tier, their starting position isn’t terrible, by the clans on Kyushu are closer to the trade nodes. Mori can get a blacksmith and gold speciality provinces early on though so it’s not too bad. The Date though so get Iwate and Ugo, both have fertile and very fertile soil so it’s not the worst economic start, but yeah they develop slow in the early game. Mori converting to Christianity is nice, but it can’t happen until they take Kyushu, which I mean any player probably would for obviously economic reasons. I still think the Date’s units getting complete charge bonus across the board is very strong though. Thanks for your input regardless, I appreciate it!

[@nathanielgomez703]

Would be cool.if you did a fall of the samurai list.

[@lol_histicall4289]

I like it how when I contoured Kyushu I went into debt and low public order instantly

[@thegreatpleco3920]

otomo just starts out with the better ship (forgot what it was called though think it was something like better nanbu ship) but it isn't excluse to the otomo meaning the mori could just get it later on

[@simonnachreiner8380]

Oda redefines the idea of human wave tactics. During my first Date somehow they survived the early game and dominated the center of the map. I could cut through them like butter with a charge but I would just end up drowning in numbers. By the time I wiped them out I’m pretty sure the phrase mountain of corpses would be an understatement. Shameful how bad the AI is at surviving the early game never really had a similar experience to that first Date game since they almost always get eaten by their neighbors.

[@tenchimuyo69]

I remember my first diplomatic campaign with Tokugawa. A tad boring overall but it was at least different, and had some decent RP potential.

[@boomertv9670]

Up mori position good upkeep navy and trade very good

[@ahmedabdolghani8879]

I play the expanded japan mod so much that i sometimes forget the vanilla date province

[@CMDRFandragon]

Lol, Mori. I was playing Shimazu and found the Black Ship with like 22 men and 2 guns, critically damaged out in the middle of no where once. I rolled up with my half assed, fresh squad of w/e the hell garbage barges I built to take my army to Chosokabe island and took it over. I commenced to rule the waves with that one ship alone. It was deploy broadside, press enter, sit back and wait. 1 or 2 hits and enemy ships would give up. I later suffered through the religion change in Shimazu land and build some of those European warships and really dominated the sea. Its actually unreal how broke OP those european ships are.

[@w0lf667]

I mean didn't you completely threw out the fact of cost effectiveness for ships in the Mori clan? Or does nanban trade ships still over power them

[@Sevatar_VIIIth]

So in the TW games I've played I've always gone the skills ranged skirmish heavy factions, Parthia, Turks, Sisters, etc. Which faction has solid skirmish play style more importantly viable horse archers/archers?

[@TripleZHacker]

For archers it’s Chosokabe, for horse-archers it’s Takeda, but any faction can reliably use skirmishers. If you want to focus on matchlock or gun infantry then it’s Otomo

[@ivanvoloder8114]

Takeda is my favorite because I'm a big cavalary warfare fan since Medieval 2.

[@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts]

The Mori deserve more respect ! They are solidly close to the trade nodes, the Otomo AI tend to get wiped or subjugated early on too. So truly, you’re going to dominate the waves and get all those trade nodes all within the first 7 turns. I’m thinking to do a campaign where I play vertical , take the nodes and just live with a handful of provinces, subjugate either of the two islands to get that handful of provinces easily defended by my discount navy. Probably just have a combo of Yari and expensive units since I’ll be more trade focused til I storm into Kyoto with an ungodly large army that I absolutely plan to disband half of immediately after or just quit the game after becoming shogun lol decision is based on when realm divide gets triggered

[@TripleZHacker]

That’s fair if I was considering AI but I made the list in accordance to how the player would fair, I might update it in the future for sure

[@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts]

@@TripleZHacker first thing - respect to you for responding to a comment on a 3 year old video 🤣 I come to this video whenever I’m thinking of a new clan to come back to shogun and play. And you see i chose the Mori. But even with other players, as long as there isn’t a skilled Otomo player + no one is superior to you in naval combat (or everyone auto resolves) I’d still give them a higher rating for dominating the nodes. Starting position has them by all minor clans I believe so claim the southern mainland, cut off the satsuma island, and boom. In my opinion

[@TripleZHacker]

@@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts oh no worries I enjoy responding to comments and there always well informed. For sure I need to try another mori campaign to refresh my thoughts on them, definitely a valid opinion so feel free to play whoever! All the clans are relatively close, I think playing on legendary also has jaded my view on these clans, but yeah western clans have that huge trade node advantage

[@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts]

@@TripleZHacker I tend to refresh my Shogun 2 memory with a short Oda campaign then do the clan that I never play after in a domination campaign. So I’ll be doing a legendary Mori campaign soon. My only issue is I like playing with the viable match locks mod so that vanilla dom campaign will be something lol

[@TripleZHacker]

@@TriggeringOpinionsandFacts oh I’ll check that mod out and goodluck on your campaign~

[@We3dCraftLP]

im almost 100% with you only one faction i would put into S aswell its Takede, its my personal opionen, its my fav clan. But gameplay wise i still think that cav in shogun 2 is pretty overpowered in most situations, beside sieges