Total War Warhammer 40k - Playable Factions and Legendary Lords Speculation (Part 1 of 4)

Total War Warhammer 40k Playable Factions and Legendary Lords Speculation as we discuss the possibility of a Total War game set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. How could races like the Eldar, Space Marines, Orks, Chaos Space Marines, and Daemons of Chaos be implemented in a 40k campaign? Who would be their Legendary Lords?
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[@milkandcookiesTW]

A huge shoutout and thank you to Italian Spartacus for joining me on this behemoth of a video, go check out his channel and his 40k Lore playlists here - Italian Spartacus 40k Lore Playlist - kzbin.info/aero/PLDLBnN-W_m2mkoYEZJKCrZmWM0GtPQWhh Total War Warhammer 40k - Heaven or Heresy? An Overview of 40k and Total War - kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5jKi4xoiMx9oNU

[@thomasgregg7527]

Thing is we are all hungry to see a decent warhammer 49k. Drooling for it. And if we had to pick a company to make it I rather go CA then say THQ again. So nice hope. And like in empire will need to occupy buildings as well.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

I have one comment to your statement on nay sayers role playing Imperial citizens: The Imperial truth was always built on a lie... Death to the false Emperor!

[@Persona6Blue]

You know what would he cool? If you were a space marine faction and they had like a set of rules you cant break if you want to stay codex compliant. For instance, you cant field over a certain number of units or else you're deemed non codex compliant and this a renegade. Also make it so you can counteract this by declaring a crusade like the black templars in the lore

[@coldrage20t8]

I'll join the camp that's supports this if you can answer me 2 question. 1 How does then economy of the imperium work 2 scale if it's a world I can see it maybe a system like dow1 dlc but above that are planets going to be one fight and done? If we fight each other in space are we landing on a moon and doing it or we invading each other's ships. Etc

[@Nadz203]

Would be interesting but Total War games are Rank and File warfare and 40K is not Rank and File. I think the engine CA used for Halo Wars would better suit 40K.

[@sirunklydunk8861]

“Chaos is the biggest threat to your empire” The Tyranids would like a word with you

[@ExValeFor]

the tyranids are sequel fodder

[@lukastroller3730]

*the Hive Mind wants to know your location*

[@caad5258]

Yeah, for the Imperium specifically i'd rate Tyranids, then Chaos, then Orks or Necrons. Nid's are a huge threat both in the Void and planetside. The best tactic the Imperium has developed is to deploy exterminatus on any world being devoured by a hive fleet. I'd rate Necrons much higher, because of their crazy caches of Tech from the War in Heaven, but they're fractured and actually open to diplomacy (sometimes). Chaos, I wouldn't rate high in their actual strength, but their ability to corrupt the souls of men and women is extremely dangerous to the Imperium specifically. Orks pose a more diffuse threat to the Imperium, as they casually bleed it dry with their constant raids and insurgencies. Not that a Waaaagh is to be something sniffed at.

[@whowhatwhenwatch]

indeed, rate now the tyranids and orks have been facing off for years and which ever 1 comes out alive wins the galaxy

[@chakatBombshell]

@@caad5258 Honestly the Empire could get rid of a lot of ork threats just by telling the orks about other problems the empire has and tell them " No sure we can totally fight later but you should fight them first will be much funner to fight later." Then watch the orks take care of a problem or die trying and then clean up the orks afterwards.

[@RecurringExtra]

My god, the mad man actually did it.

[@justanassassin]

Indypride: Releases speculation for Total War: 40k Me, a loyal servant of the Emperor: Don't do that. Don't give me hope.

[@MrAlittleparty]

My desktop crashed on me almost 3 weeks ago. I have no intention to get a new one. If a Total War: Warhammer 40k were to be released, then by the Emperor, would I get a desktop. This is literally the biggest wet dream I and we can envision.

[@justanassassin]

@@MrAlittleparty My oiled abs quiver at the dream of a Seige of Terra narrative Battle. It would be glorious.

[@alyssinclair8598]

If they do that.. I hope they kinda go lowkey with it. Smaller the vision tighter the focus

[@JackJohnson-zh9ul]

@@alyssinclair8598 BOOOOOOOOOOOO. at that point why would you even call it a total war.

[@alyssinclair8598]

@@JackJohnson-zh9ul same reason they called rome 2 total war when they changed the entire way campaigns worked I guess, branding. altho thanks for the boo I love ghosts

[@knell18897]

Wow slow down man, Nagash is not even comfirmed yet

[@conagherdenson2194]

BIG BAD BONE DADDY IS COMING

[@Hello-cv3wg]

Lol

[@ahumpierrogue137]

I mean, yeah he isn't cofirmed but they've obviously been hinting at him. Hell they even directly mention The Nameless(Drachenfells), one of his Mortarchs in the Vampire Coast victory message.

[@rostigerrolf4490]

I wonder If they go for another fantasy Total War after Warhammer. Or just Age of Sigmar. At least we have Space Marines then allready..kinda.

[@mollymesita7755]

@@rostigerrolf4490 No one cares about Sigmarines give us SPHESS MAHREEENS

[@bigjoe4243]

I wanna see whole armies of Space Marines chainsword their way through whole armies of chaos chaff...It would be glorious.

[@maukka1545]

not if GW says "this gon be primaris only"

[@Uthandol]

That's funny. Because I wanted to see whole armies of Chaos Marines chainsword their way through the whole armies of Imperial chumps.....It to would be glorious.

[@maxencemorel1668]

I want to see basic necron warriors annihilate space marines with Gauss weapons, to teach these primitives a lesson

[@JackJohnson-zh9ul]

@@maukka1545 hey we have assault intercessors now. power swords too. but i dont see why they would exclude firstborn. although i do prefer primaris myself

[@milkandcookiesTW]

Where would a 40k Total War be set? - 3:45 Assumptions we made for this video - 7:43 SPACE MARINES - 9:00 Space Marine Legendary Lords - 19:43 ELDAR - 33:52 Eldar Legendary Lords - 43:00 ORKS - 49:50 Orks Legendary Lords - 57:45 CHAOS - 1:01:40 Chaos Legendary Lords - 1:12:35

[@rfigueiredomusic]

Hey dude how would you think it would work on mechanics level? I mean space Battles, ( they could be non existant) and ground Battles i mean the Battles are in the most parte by squads and not massive armies clashing like in fantasy right?

[@milkandcookiesTW]

@@rfigueiredomusic we will be covering elements of that in other videos! this was just part 1 of 4 :)

[@rfigueiredomusic]

@@milkandcookiesTW oh Nice, i was asking because as you know 40k ranges from thousands or millions in Battles to just Squad groups, and the hive cities and eldar craftworld would be hard for them to do, unless they went with the total war warhammer rout

[@pixelpeek9963]

As cool as it is to speculate on this stuff, and as much as I love this video; before even beginning to imagine the Legendary Lords you'd need to overcome a MASSIVE problem - In your previous video you shared the galaxy map as a possible setting, and I agree with you; squeezing all the races onto a single planet would be a massive cop out. You need to span the galaxy in order to do a TW:40K idea justice. However..... as previous TW games are set on land, battles take place on the ground between cities. When you move the campaign map to an entire galaxy map, battles are far, far more likely to take place, not on land.... but among the stars.... So, unfortunately, until you can design a method of forcing more land battles, envisaging Legendary Lords, abilities and a cover system etc is almost pointless. It is FAR more likely to have a 'Total War / Battlefleet Gothic / Stallaris' hybrid rather than a 'TW / WK40k / DoW'. Even if it worked as sea battles do currently, in the sense that space battles could only be auto-resolved, land battles would still be the exception, not the norm. It would be like playing TW:W2 but having to auto-resolve everything except siege battles. I can easily envisage TW:40K battles looking like Ashes of the Singularity kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2XWpZqQgc-lmac but designing battles on planets won't be the problem, it's how do you get the armies down there in the first place....?

[@MrJamesRye]

ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS! ORCS!

[@scoopjackson]

Sparty and Indy a Slanesshi duo for the ages

[@123456gordon]

OH WHAT'S THIS??? everyone's wet dream. 40k Total War. I really do hope we see a 40K TW game, I'm sure CA is at least considering the idea.

[@shade419]

I'm pretty sure they've said somewhere that they're open to pursuing it.

[@Arcessitor]

@@shade419 They're open, it's the license holders that are being cunts because Dawn of War exists - a game series that ended with DoW1 before being used as a cashcow.

[@ethans7588]

I would love if this happened. Or at least another good 40k game. We've had a 40k drought since DoW2

[@kapitanbeuteltier5889]

Gothic Armada was really fun though

[@Tommy9834]

Battlefleet Gothic Armada and Mechanicus is pretty good.

[@commanderboreal1343]

Yeah Gothic Armada is pretty darn good But we just want another good 40k game where we can crash baneblades into gargants!!

[@Alexander59059]

I haven’t had the chance to play it but the arms mod looks really good

[@justwannabehappy6735]

DoW2 wasn't even that good compared to Dark Crusade.

[@risa123456789]

I can see you are missing the most important faction. I will go sharpen my bayonet...

[@thil2894]

The sons of Dorn, being unnamed and forgotten in this heresy, support this action. We are sending you 5 companies.

[@magosmallen2973]

@@thil2894 the sons of Dorn are space marines, so I believe you were here to support the omnissiah and donate your marines to remove their weak flesh

[@thil2894]

@@magosmallen2973 We land support, if you want to amputate, talk to the Iron Hands

[@Crazyd6666]

@@thil2894 Remenber brother in times of need we still have the Last Wall Protocol. Facing one chapter is a thing but facing a whole Legion is another. FOR DORN!

[@thil2894]

@@Crazyd6666 '' My wall name is Adorable''

[@chaneytron]

I want this game to happen soo badly. i would even crowd fund it!

[@steve54070]

ME to CA - TAKE MY MONEY!!! TAKE IT NOW!!!

[@Z-1991]

This could totally be a thing, i mean it can be playable as a Empire or Napoleon type, with arty and all that. Plus, hordes of tyrannids ravaging everything at sight.

[@Z-1991]

@Zerebrat Eightyseven yeah, or even like a playable faction.

[@shade419]

@@Z-1991 Nids would be sequel fodder. To my everlasting sorrow.

[@truemisto]

i will say that theyll be tempted to take a crack at it, they could milk dozens of different dlcs out of the space marines and chaos space marines alone if they really tried

[@magosmallen2973]

Not to mention all the other factions in the imperium

[@trabuco9]

Makes me wish Dawn of War 3 hadn't been a low budget MOBA pandering cashgrab

[@jeova0sanctus0unus]

dont we all wish that?

[@vanderlark]

Who doesnt my friend

[@Ballagorn_Ironblood]

Did relic is still alive after that HERESY they made?

[@patrickleonard7008]

Nope. After playing total war games, regular-ass RTS games just don't cut it anymore.

[@Guaguadeath]

Seriously. Was such a disappointing mess. And i loved the Dow series

[@CompetitivelyAwesome]

Bruh playing the Imperium as a super hard Western Rome type behemoth riddled with internal corruption and external enemies would be a dream come true

[@Eliphas_]

CA need an entire new engine and system to implement a 40k Total War. I dont think CA would try to tackle that, giving how much effort, resources and time it would require.

[@italianspartacus]

@Comrade von Herpenderpf well, consider that TW:WH is the highest selling Warhammer Fantasy game behind Age of Reckoning (RIP). and GW has yet to get the same level of success as DoW1 with a 40k game

[@sephiroaone-of-nine101]

@@italianspartacus Cause its set in the Warhammer fantasy easier than say 40k with trucks, tanks, mechs, etc etc etc, in this they only had to do siege weapons and monsters. At the most thats a release for 2030 or beyond - it would be amazing but a time project thats a huge hit and it can't miss

[@sephiroaone-of-nine101]

@Mercb3ast That's not hot modeling works - and that's also not going into code-ing

[@DeliciousCornbread]

This was worth the wait, well done lads.

[@robertmercuri1160]

honestly, I like to think (and if i'm wrong, please let me know) that once the idea popped into your head, it wouldn't go away, and these videos are you staving off the madness

[@milkandcookiesTW]

haha

[@aaroncotton8307]

Battle fleet gothic armada and total war should merge so we can have space battles and then planetary battles

[@Archon3960]

Stop ! I can only take so much hype at a time !!! 0V0

[@fountainchristain]

I feel saga would buy the company that makes it if GW gives them the okay

[@drews2024]

God that would be incredible

[@fountainchristain]

@@drews2024 would also help the other total wars they make with naval battles

[@d8god]

think updated star wars: empire at war but with 40k.. *Astronomican intensifies*

[@NightbringsTea]

By the four Chaos gods i hope to one day see Total War 40K. I would offer my soul to Slaneesh if need be !

[@luciusviii1553]

''the eldar followed their dragon'' indy i hope you appreciate the height of that under statement lmao

[@AW-wf2dx]

I normally loathe “speculation” videos but love how you guys ground yours in the lore, and edition-specific philosophies. Great stuff.

[@MrHobbs209]

if anybody could do 40k some good RTS JUSTICE it would be CA. They have done warhammer fantasy a solid by making soon to be 3 titles of epic games NOW ITS 40k TURN.

[@shade419]

And the popularity of Total War Warhammer Fantasy, provides proof that Warhammer grand strategy will sell well!

[@MrHobbs209]

@@shade419 indeed sir fingers crossed

[@TheMentorKing]

I just noticed the "(Part 1 of 4)" in the title and I'm so excited for the future three parts!

[@OrangeBananaMonster]

The hardest part would be squad-based tactics. All prior TW games have had units of hundreds as a baseline troop that all walk in boxlike formation. Few 40k factions function like that- primarily tyranids, astra militarum, and maybe tau? The scale would be more like the Dawn of War: Ultimate Apocalypse mod.

[@MasterChiefPettyOfficer]

Orks????????????????? Deamons???????

[@scottfordham]

Have you even played TW: Warhammer plenty of units with much smaller unit sizes. Lets just take Warriors of Chaos as an example Aspiring Champions unit size - 16 Chosen unit size unit size - 80 Chaos Knights unit size - 60 Swords of Chaos unit size - 24 Gorebeast Chariot unit size - 4 Chaos Spawn unit size - 16 Hellcannon unit size - 1 Chaos Giant unit size - 1

[@scottfordham]

Also if your argument is just baseline troops just wait until TW: Warhammer 3 when they release the Ogre Kingdom.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Also, Word Bearers frequently do march in parade formations... behind millions of enslaved prisoners/company of the Legion...

[@cherudium]

Yes Indy, make them know we want this! Build hype and demand, so they have no choice but to deliver unto us glory! This video really cheered me up, was having a crap day.

[@daylightwall5300]

I can’t put into words how fucking much i want this game!! Imagine Guilliman wielding the emperors sword, carving apart swathes of heretics and xenos, and leading the ultramarines to victory! BY THE EMPEROR I NEEEEEEED THIS!!!

[@DarkSolace33]

WE NEED MORE 40K GAMES. My personal dream is Warhammer 40k Total War, Battlefield Warhammer 40k, and a Warhammer 40k RPG like the Witcher 3 where you play an Inquisitor. :)

[@DryTEKGI]

For me it's 40k total war, 3rd person shooter (maybe like gears) and Turn based X-com 40k. I can see your point on 40k battlefield which would be cool and all but I have my doubts about it.

[@jacobmiller6001]

I have a suggestion, Warhammer 40k Governor, where you play as a planetary governor

[@zehaha111]

I'm in. I'll take Necrons, Tyranids and Orcs in a heartbeat.

[@Azoth86730]

This one will be long; so, bear with me: Game 1 ____________________ 1) Adeptus Astartes/Space Marines - Space Wolves - Dark Angels - Blood Angels - Iron Hands - Salamanders - Ultramarines - Legion of the Damned (could be made into their own faction as well, rather than a sub-faction) - White Scars - Imperial Fists - Raven Guard - Grey Knights (or just combine them with Ordo Malleus) - Deathwatch (or just combine them with Ordo Xenos) - Exorcists (or just combine them with Inquisition) - Black Templars - Crimson Fists - Mantis Warriors - Carcharodons - Minotaurs - Emperor's Spears - Black Dragons 2) Asuryani/Craftworld Eldar - Saim-Hann - Ulthwé - Iyanden - Biel-tan - Altansar - Kaelor - Yme-Loc - Lugganath - Iybraesil - II-Kaithe 3) Orks/Greenskins - Charadon - Octarius - Calverna - Bork ---- Klans ----- - Bad Moons - Evil Sunz - Deathskulls - Blood Axes - Goffs - Snakebites - Kult of Speed - Freebooters - NPC Feral Orks randomly popping up 4) Astartes Traitoris/Chaos Space Marines - Black Legion - Word Bearers - World Eaters (Khorne) - Death Guard (Nurgle) - Thousand Sons (Tzeentch) - Emperor's Children (Slaanesh) - Sons of Malice (Malal/Malice) (I just like how actually Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 hinted them after decades of fitting *silence* ) (their Anti-Imperium and Anti-Chaos stance would be turned into an awesome mechanic) - Iron Warriors - Night Lords - Alpha Legion - Red Corsairs - The Purge (I just like how they wanna destroy every living being; this could be made into a good mechanic) - Crimson Slaughter - Violators (Biker Chaos Space Marines) - Flawless Host - Extinction Angels - Skyrar's Dark Wolves - Angels of Ecstasy - Beasts of Annihilation (A whole warband of possessed Space Marines) - Bleak Brotherhood - Corpus Brethren (I just wanna see the most absurd planet ever to exist, Oliensis, in all its glory) DLCs _____________________________________________ 5) Astra Militarum/Imperial Guard - Cadian Shock Troops - Catachan Jungle Fighters - Tallarn Desert Raiders - Armageddon Steel Legion - Valhallan Ice Warriors - Mordian Iron Guard - Death Korps of Krieg - Vostroyan Firstborn - Elysian Drop Troops - Tanith First and Only - Atillan Rough Riders - Kanak Skull Takers - Maccabian Janissaries - Harakoni Warhawks - Armored Company 6) Imperial Knights Unit Pack 7) Officio Assassinorum Unit Pack 8) Eldar Exodites Game 2 __________________________ 1) T'au Empire - Farsight Enclaves - Third Sphere Expansion - T'au Auxiliary/Allied Races/Species (Kroot, Vespid, Naga, Gue'vesa, Nicassar, Tarellian etc.) 2) Necrons - Sautekh - Maynarkh - Nihilakh - Mephrit - Thokt - Novokh - Nephrekh 3) Inquisition - Ordo Hereticus and Adepta Sororitas/Sisters of Battle - Ordo Malleus and Grey Knights - Ordo Xenos and Deathwatch - Ordo Sicarius and Officio Assassinorum - Ordo Sepulturum and Temptestus Scions/Inquisitorial Stormtroopers -Exorcists - Inquisitorial Henchmen and Fanatics - Adeptus Ministorum - Black Templars - Red Templars 4) Drukhari/Eladrith Ynneas/Dark Eldar - Kabals - Wych Cults - Haemonculi Covens - Xenos Mercenaries DLCs ________________________________________________________________________ 5) Adeptus Mechanicus - Skitarii - Legio Cybernetica - Cult Mechanicus - Collegia Titanica - Centurio Ordinatus 6) Harlequins 7) Adeptus Titanicus 8) Abhumans (Squats, Felinids, Ogryns, Ratlings etc) 9) Lost and the Damned - Blood Pact - Sons of Sek - Chaos Cults - Mutants - Xenos Mercenaries - Pirates & Raiders - Traitor Guard - Rogue Psykers - Hereteks 10) Dark Mechanicum 11) Rogue Traders Game 3 __________________________________________ 1) Adeptus Custodes & Sisters of Silence (Talons of the Emperor) 2) Tyranids 3) Ynnari 4) Chaos Daemons - Undivided - Khorne - Nurgle - Tzeentch - Slaanesh - Malice and Other Minor Chaos Gods - Forge of Souls DLCs _______________________ 5) Renegade Knights 6) Genestealer Cults 7) Eldar Corsairs 8) Legion of the Damned 9) Non-Chaos Warp Entities such as Enslavers and Vampires 10) Q'orl, Rak'Gol, Hrud, Slaught and Other Minor Xenos Races/Empires 11) Men of Iron(!?) 12) Adeptus Arbites (or perhaps combined with Inquisition?) 13) Traitor Titan Legions 14) Imperium Secessionists such as Severan Dominate and Logicians 15) Chaos Squats (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) 16) Zoats? 17) Illuminati 18) Digganobz 19) Hive Spyrers and Necromundan Gangs 20) Renegade Space Marine Chapters like Soul Drinkers 21) Imperial Navy And that's just the tip of the iceberg...

[@jooj2955]

Never been harder my entire life

[@shade419]

So, this is for the most part... completely fucking exciting. EXCEPT, I disapprove of you holding Nids all the way back to game 3.

[@Hi_I_am_Ed]

Well ... I listened to this video for 1 1/2 Hours. And still I am full chubbed up. I need this in my life. Like now.

[@andrewmarstella6959]

Great vid guys! I really want to see Vulcan and the Salamanders chapter

[@jingojango227]

He's done it. He actually did it

[@Xman42635]

Being able to play a crazy Total War Horus Heresy campaign where you're not sure which Primarch might turn to Chaos, or you can even play certain Space Marine Legions and decide whether they do or don't turn to either side would be absurdly interesting.

[@rossdamufukinbawss]

“In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war” pretty much a perfect slogan for a total war game

[@Khainite]

I saw the title and I got excited that it was actual news on an upcoming 40K Total War style game. I enjoy listening to all of your speculation as I'll never complain about more Indypride videos, but I doubt it's coming any time soon. Still fun to discuss though. Looking forward to the rest of this series!

[@darkranger116]

Yo.. if they make a total war warhammer 40k game, i'm modding the hell out of that. Just gotta wait for Tau.

[@danielgalvez7953]

I just heard about this idea, I just started the video, and I'm LOVING the hype. I want a 40k total war.

[@seandonovan566]

This. So much this. Well done boys. My 2 ultimate wish list games are this one and World of Warhammer (world of warcraft with 40k)

[@misterwaz9403]

This escalated quickly lol thanks for the upload m8

[@Cornerboy73]

Saw the thumbnail for this and nearly lost my mind with excitement. Damn, this needs to happen, I'm dying for a quality 40k game !

[@kimjongniller7776]

Hey Indypride! Love the channeI and wanted to leave a comment asking if parts 2-3-4 will ever come out or if the series has been culled. You and Italian did a fantastic job in the video formulating and explaining everything.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

i will be doing a lot more 40k stuff in the future! and yes this series will continue

[@kimjongniller7776]

@@milkandcookiesTW Thats great to hear. I had absolutely no expectation that you would ever see the comment, but it just goes to show how great this channel is that a new comment on an old video gets noticed by you. Love your content, especially your battle commentaries and SFO videos.

[@drengiaduraz8602]

Maybe, just maybe, THIS is what brings back our beloved Squats.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

Omnomnom nidz says otherwise ;)

[@Archon3960]

GW : _TARGET LOCALIZED. PROCEED WITH EXTERMINATUS._

[@justwannabehappy6735]

Hahahahahaha

[@thomasalegredelasoujeole9998]

Hah ! Two of my favorites tubers in 1 video, awesome !

[@Stringfellow-xo6do]

40K is total war. A Total War 40K game has the potential to be the most epic game ever, so many races, so much lore and such a vast setting. Cites become planets, regions become solar systems and the mechanics shouldn't be too hard as we've had TW games and mods with guns, artillery, tanks etc already.

[@Orcbanger]

Total War battles, I'd argue, are about blocks of infantry. That's why World War scenarios wouldn't work, and why 40k won't work either.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

I respect your viewpoint, but think its a narrow one. "What makes a Total War game Total War? I’d argue, its Large scale, real time battles, with an overarching grand campaign map that gives those battles context. Changing elements in terms of how combat functions with cover or weaponry or technology, doesnt mean its suddenly not a Total War game.If I can move my camera just like any other Total War game, if I can control entire armies from on high then zoom in on the action, if battles are real time cinematic affairs with hundreds or thousands of troops, If I can build an Empire through conquest, diplomacy, and a Total War style campaign, then it is still a Total War game. It may not be a total War game you’re interested in, but its still a total war game. Having vehicles, elements of squad based tactics, a real cover system, and futuristic weaponry does not change that.For as much as a 40k series would need overhauls and dramatic changes to make it work, there's also just as much from the Total War framework thats already been established that would carry over perfectly. UI, unit models, Winds of Magic, bombardments, campaign framework, the list goes on and on. I dont agree that the changes required would make it unrecognizable as a Total War game on the other end"

[@Orcbanger]

@@milkandcookiesTW Ha, you're reading your videos off of a script? Anyway, I can understand that viewpoint. However, the gameplay that I'm imagining in battles would be more reminiscent of something like company of heroes than Total War proper. If the necessary changes that would have to be made are to radical or if the end product would still be a distinctly TW-feeling game then is more a of a subjective question. Another point I'd make is that the jump from TW:WH to TW:40K is a much larger one than the one from historic TW to TW:WH in the first place.

[@milkandcookiesTW]

@@Orcbanger not really sure whats funny or strange about that? I talked for almost a full hour in this video. keeping that eloquent and on topic would be incredibly difficult without notes and some scripting

[@LGMalz06]

​@@milkandcookiesTW This definition applies to so many RTS's though, including the Dawn of War series to a point. The key difference between TW games and other RTS's is the importance of tactical unit formations being deployed in battle. You can make that work in this setting, in part because we're talking about sturdier beings than normal humans fighting in WWII.

[@Orcbanger]

@@milkandcookiesTW yeah ofc and it undoubtedly raises the quality of the vid. Just never thought about it ;)

[@Orionssj4]

I think if they make such game, they should use the following setup or get quite close to it: - build up your home planet (would make sense to have some minor enemies on your home plant to get resources, ship building docks, war factories, etc - start expanding to close minor planets (same mechanics) - begin galactic conquest for same reasons -> would be quite cool to use the Gothic Armada system there - after the enemy fleet is defeated, begin landfall to target planet (secure a few key areas before attacking capital - if you skip it, the enemy will receive the best units from those areas - demons, heavy tanks, elite infantry, heavy fire support, air support, stealth attacks, etc) - could be a set of special land battles with urban fighting, open plain areas, etc - if the key areas are secured, you can begin the attack on the capital (maybe have a mechanic the same as attrition for choking the enemy out of it's resources, support by negating the previous areas, locations?) - in my mind the attack on a capital is at least 4 full armies attacking a total of 4 or more defending armies - all capitals should have a special resource / item / altar / biomass / warp gate / etc that will enhance your whole race Some of this is already present in DoW DC and SS, but would be quite a view to behold to have all of this is HD and with lots & lots of units. Just my 2 cents though ;)

[@ar-aamon797]

Awesome video. Thx you indy and sparty!

[@Rexx2345]

25:30 the only imperial legion with a primarch alive. Vulcan, sitting with memory loss drinking martinis on a beach, Russ, looking for a tree in the warp, Corvus, harassing lorgar as a bird, The lion taking a nap: 😢

[@hardcorelextotalwar8139]

Really interesting, thanks for your work.

[@dinofacedindividual9462]

I think the mechanics for Summoning Daemons could be similar to how Age of Sigmar does it. Your Sorcerer or whoever is Summoning has different requirements depending on the mark they have Khorne: The meter goes up for each kill your army gets or suffers Slaanesh: The meter goes up for how many models get damaged but don’t die Nurgle: The meter goes up the more wounds are prevented. Tzeentch: The meter goes up the more spells are cast and stratagems used Undivided: just goes up slowly on its own

[@AAllen-br8it]

It would be so dope seeing the personalities of each of the chapters portrayed in how they play out. Say, if you deploy Blood Angels via drop pod when the pod opens they just burst out mid air and just fly at the nearest enemy in their path, then slay every enemy in a certain vicinity of their model before then forming up with their kill team and then moving through the map using small unit tactics, though likely more prone to pulling out a chainsword and possibly going into their blood rage. As opposed to, say, the Ultramarines who, upon their pod opening, would instantly take a knee and just cover their sector around the pod, lighting up anything within a certain distance away, before forming up and moving through with competent small unit tactics and simply sticking to it. This would be an awesome way to utilize these Legions and/or Chapters (custom chapters would be dope now that I think about it.)

[@hanskelsen89]

Indie... Hope everythign is alright from a personal perspective (despite the family situation). As always great video... love you and Italian. Hope they do this game.

[@ruaridhmackenzie3215]

Since we have Tomb Kings, paint those boys silver and Necrons are done

[@shade419]

Coming back to this, after having started building a Salamander list and I'm curious about your thoughts on the customization potential of so many of the units. Where in Fantasy there's just the one kit for all models in a unit, in... say, 40K a squad of aggressors could have boltstorm or flamestorm gauntlets. And many units aren't even remotely limited to two choices. How do you think/imagine CA could handle that, if they were to make this?

[@saurosthewise7371]

I personally believe that for squads with multiple weapons, such as aggressors, devestators, or vehicles, would have an individual choice for that unit similar to the ork scrap mechanic or the wood elves wood type mechanic.

[@darkshiv]

Back when I was playing Dawn of War Dark Crusade. This is the game I have been dreaming of. Total War Warhammer fulfilled my fantasy version of it, now in the coming years I hope they hear this and fulfill mine and many others large scale sci-fi strategy dreams.

[@kanindraperi18]

Super excited for all the parts. One thing I would like to see next time is to use pictures of the thing you are talking about. For example when talking about sanguinius show pictures of him

[@chargeshottyftw2632]

I hope you guys cover the mechanicus in one of your future videos as a faction. With their emphasis on titans and mechanized units they would probably play almost like tomb kings. They would be so cool!

[@em4rtzz]

I could also see an Xcom like 40k game with some squad/turn based combat.

[@fixer10091994]

Im sure there is at least one

[@vanthiusgaming9634]

Dawn of war 2 is the closest.

[@codyspegel6317]

Mechanicus is one

[@coleg.4209]

For the Waaggh mechanic you could have a sort of green mist of sort appear on the map when playing as the Orks highlighting a very powerful lord or armies. Another thing could be that the stronger factions you are at war with, the more likely other Orks are to confederating with you. When playing as other factions the stronger your faction is, the more other Orks will dislike you and want to declare war on you. And the stronger a certain army or lord is, the more likely Orks will come for them.

[@blazindragon1833]

Awesome!! I'm so glad you're doing this series as I've been waiting for somebody to do this for 40K :) Also what happened to Malal?

[@lv_Mortarion_vl]

Malal is a myth and there is no war in Basingsei

[@Azoth86730]

Malal doesn't exist due to copyright issues... but, MALICE LIVES! All hail the Great Anarch! Sons of Malice were last mentioned in Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 2 and knowing that the developer has to consult to GW for any addition, I guess GW subtly confirms their canonicity by this.

[@lv_Mortarion_vl]

@@Azoth86730 sons of malice are no conformation of malal by any means. That's just speculation.

[@Azoth86730]

@@lv_Mortarion_vl Sons of Malice confirm the existence of Malice, the true successor of Malal himself.

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

You’ve done it Indie. You’ve made me a believer.

[@motivationforlife526]

IIIIIIIIII got really excited for a second. I thought they announced this as a new title haha. Still a really good video!

[@ZangetsUK]

WHERE ARE THE IMPERIAL GUARD!?!?

[@adultomelas5322]

I really hope Creative Assembly see this video. Y'all pretty much nailed it.

[@7F0X7]

I don't think anyone can reasonably debate the base roster of game 1 would be comprised of the big four factions; Adeptus Astartes, Greenskins, Eldar, Choas Marines (Since they are basically reskins of Astartes and with a new engine on the table with new animations they have to cut costs/save time somewhere). I mean, is it even a question? The debate should be which factions/races will be among the first wave of inevitable DLC.

[@levgar5457]

I thought total war fans hated the naval combat, and with every thing in space, naval combat might be more prevalent than regular ground combat. people will have to ferry troops to each and every planet and fighting any fleet they see, they may not like the constant need to embark and disembark troops. I don't know how the players will react but thats what comes to my mind when i think of total war: 40k.

[@italianspartacus]

i think that GW wouldn't want to impinge on BFGA2, just like they didn't want to with the Fantasy Naval game.

[@levgar5457]

@@italianspartacus True, I didnt think about that.

[@lordcastellan4735]

Actually, the Imperial Guard should be one of the first factions. Commissars would be the most interesting unit with total war's morale mechanics. The game set in the dark imperium would be awesome. That being said, the imperial guard are the most prolific fighting force in the galaxy. Any 40k game without them is wrong.

[@nachobed]

we need part 2!? CA has to know how awesome a 40k game would be

[@jokes813]

I can’t wait for this, gonna be soooooooo awesome

[@Prince__Teclis]

I'd be fine with it. Provided fantasy got a kick ass hack and slash in the style of Space Marine. The 40k community is used to getting a lot more love and attention. Either that or fantasy should have something exclusively its own.

[@LazyVideosGAME]

www.vermintide.com/

[@Prince__Teclis]

@@LazyVideosGAME Comparing those two games that are quite a bit different. By that logic 40k doesn't need a TW because it's had Dawn of War.

[@LazyVideosGAME]

@@Prince__Teclis I cant follow your logic here? You are making assumptions based on a link I sent as a reaction to your request for a Fantasy hack and slash. You know, it could have been entirely possible that you didn't know about Vermintide. Which is a hack and slash. Never said I ever that 40k doesn't deserve a Total War.

[@Prince__Teclis]

@@LazyVideosGAME My logic is this rather simplistic. For 40k to get a game in the style of Total War Warhammer. Warhammer Fantasy should get something akin to Space Marine, a popular 40k game. Which Vermintide is nothing like. A 40k comparison to Vermintide would be Space Hulk a 40k game of the same gameplay style. So by you bringing up Vermintide as a Fantasy hack and slash that already exist, I brought up Dawn of War as an existing 40k RTS.

[@Godliikeful]

I only need one faction : Orks . If they ever do a total war warhammer 40k i will only play orks nothing else.

[@kapitanbeuteltier5889]

Da Orks ar 'Nuff to plai forevur!

[@qualityqueensfirstbomb6450]

DATZ CUZ GREEN IZ DA BESTEST!

[@mitchellbeardsley1023]

Fucking xenos

[@Razielts1]

We is tankz

[@williamjugo1312]

With regard to the Aeldari : maybe you can make Exodite outposts on planets and they then make Webway gates. When a webway is made your craftworld can instantly teleport to your planet. A reg eldar army has to go from one planet web way to another or use reg travel but craftworlds can instantly go(since they have webway gates on craftworlds).

[@mehdimalek6147]

World in conflict + total war + Warhammer 40k = hot cookies

[@SonsOfLorgar]

*I can feel the warp overtaking me! It is a good pain!*

[@empiricalwolf1256]

Know this probably been mentioned but for the cover mechanic, they could use Empire total war. I mean that one was mostly guns and artillery, where you could put troops behind small walls and even put them in some buildings. It be awesome in all urban environment.

[@peetwi]

Epic video guys, thanks for putting it out. But seriously, no Guard in the first 40k game??

[@elric7415]

I think for the craftworld eldar, it would be a nice mechanic to be able to increase all your units, unit count as you rebuild the eldar empire.

[@TheFearsomeRat]

I think for the Imperium especially we would see a lot of factions lumped together and as you Conquer or otherwise obtain certain areas from those sub factions will become available to you for instance if they made a Great Crusade scenario you'd start off with Terra, Mars and a few other planets and as you well Crusade across the galaxy you start to unlock more units and Legendary Lords for instance taking Baal would give you Sangunius and units like the Sanguinary Guard, and your starting armies as the Imperium would consist of each legion then the Emperor and his Custodians in a 21st army with Skitarii, Legio Cybernetic and Legio Titanicus units/armies being build able from Mars and Solar Auxilla units from other planets while Legionaries can only (until you conquer specific planets) be built on Terra and while they are some of your best units they are also very limited and expensive while the Custodes would have a hard cap on the number of units you can have built at any time. EDIT: Though personally I'd prefer a Total War Warhammer: Age of Sigmar before 40k.

[@BorisMarques14.88]

I think it would be nice if a planet had 2 to 4 conquerable slots, so in order to conquer a planet it would be necesaary to figth for it more than one battle, everytime you take a conquerable piece it gives buffs to the conqueror and penaltis to the defender. For instance there could be a port conquerable slot, after conquering that your forces would start reinforcing, there could be a slot for planetary defenses that make the invanding army lose forces by atrition and you have to take that to stop suffering atrition etc

[@littlecountry77]

Love the video so far. Minor correction, insignificant in the video, but the space marines were not originally gene seeded from their sire primarchs. The primarchs were originally missing, stolen by chaos. The original marines were from terra. Part of the heresy were those marines from terra were not considered trust worthy by those, later sired from the respective primarch, and were given their primarchs traits. Part of istvann was purging the legions of marines considered loyal to Terra over loyalty to the legion primarch. I know you know all this info and omitted it in the sake of time. Keep up the great vids.

[@Destyvirago]

My 2 favorite Total War Warhammer Fantasy youtubers talking about a Total War Warhammer 40K for an hour and a half? Sign me up!

[@milkandcookiesTW]

the dream!

[@Destyvirago]

A Total War Warhammer 40K game has been on my mind too for years. Hopefully such a game can make the Space Marines as strong as in the fluff as most games out there has them nerfed heavily for play balance. In a TW:W40K one unit card of Space Marines should be like 5 models and they should for all purposes be treated as monstrous infantry. It felt a bit strange playing games such as the Dawn of War series and constantly replenish fallen Marines such that one mission could expend the lives of a 100+ space marines, something no chapter could afford. Watching the youtube fan film Astartes recently I was reminded of how powerful a small group of Space Marines should be. In fluff and books a company of about 100 Space Marines could usually take control of an entire planet without too much casualties unless it was held by a powerful force. In a TW:W40K game it would feel wrong to have a chapter field 6-7 armies each with 300+ space marines. With about 5 models per unit card and 20 unit cards to an army it should even out so that one army is about 1 company chapter in size. Well, as you said we can dream,and sometimes dreams do come through! (unless we are talking about Dow3, where we learned that hope is the first step to disappointment).

[@liofalba]

Don’t know if you covered this in your first video but seems to me the main issue to deal with is planets as a campaign map mechanic

[@SonsOfLorgar]

I'd want a campaign map layer for each planet and then a galactic campaign layer on top of that for a Mortal empires style cross-series game mode, and all of it starting as a tutorial campaign with the terran unification wars, with thunder warriors as the imperial core troops, and as you unify Terra, you get a 'marian reforms' style event as the Legiones Astartes are founded and the great crusade starts.

[@Caldaris]

Damn it, now i'm excited for something that doesn't currently exist! As much as I would like to see the Necrons (maybe in the next parts eh?), I am always up for a bit of Heresy. *insert favourite Chaotic battlecry here*

[@Guaguadeath]

In the grim dankness of the far future there is only.. MilkandCookies

[@Holybink1337]

Not many games that I would preorder nowadays, but this would be one of them

[@Azoth86730]

By Kaela Mensha Khaine, you guys did it!

[@milkandcookiesTW]

the dream is real! Blood Runs! War Calls!

[@LGMalz06]

By the Fang, why not the Space Wolves? Also, Space Marine factions would basically be a faction of "monstrous-sized" units. Maybe some mechanic of having a hard 1,000 model limit faction-wide, with a campaign mechanic that basically allows you to unlock the "deployment" of additional companies of Space Marines? (a la Tomb King's limits on the number of armies.)

[@C.Columbus]

Awesome video :D What about having Roboute as a S.P.Q.R'esque faction giving you missions like in Rome? Doing him justice is making him OP as a LL.

[@WardenNFG]

What do you think of the idea of a sort of halo wars squad type thing where each squad has 5 troops, meaning you have around 100 per “army” although they would probably call it something else, but have it so you can field loads of armies early on, giving a sort of massive battle but you get a chapter like sort of army. Something like that.

[@stefanpickel6012]

Sanguinary discipline: buffs + hemomancy. 40k is really difficult with faction dynamics,especially on the Imperium of Man side, as so many factions are somewhat nested within each other, with subfactions within subfactions. Depending on how they implement it, they'd have to find a way to have the subfactions keep their individual character even when a confederation is formed (in case they implement something like that). Maybe, as an example, you can start out as a space marine, but confederate an Imperial Guard faction and get control over both, but you can not mix units in individual armies unless the lord leading them has special traits. I would put Rowbouat Girlyman as Legendary Lord for the Imperium as a whole, giving him the ability to confederate very early on and allowing him to have units from all imperial factions in his army. This would leave room for Calgar as the Ultramarines Legendary Lord. I do like your idea for deny the witch. One of the biggest difficulties I can see with Total Warhammer 40k would actually be the huge range in size, damage output and survivability of armies, squads and even individual models (even before taking Titans into account). They'll probably have to add a lot of new tools to their balancing toolbox to balance this and keep it true to the lore at the same time. -Huge models could maybe use up multiple slots in an army (Knight scale and up perhaps) -One unit card in army management could actually represent a number of units during a battle (e.g. instead of building individual squads for imperial guard, you build a platoon that consists of a command squad, multiple normal squads of guardsmen and a bunch of heavy weapons teams) -Since you mentioned crits, maybe some units are so well defended that weaker weapons only do damage if they crit Just a thought on space battles: Maybe have a pre-battle phase where you decide which of your ships focus which of the enemy ships and where you station your troops and initiate boarding maneuvers. Depending on how important these battles would be, maybe even with mechanics to influence fleet compositions, maybe even to the point where you can have a second army focused on space battles that can shoot out smaller fleets in late game. The battle would then take place on a map that represents the different ships in both fleets, with you taking control of the boarding and defending troops, keeping key positions on your ships safe and taking them out on enemy ships. Actually, this kind of pre-battle phase could be interesting for planetary battles too, if you have to arrange orbital bombardments and deepstrikes beforehand. They'd just have to be careful with balancing a potential chance of loosing units en route without ever getting to use them.

[@VindensSaga]

Now you're teasing with evily with this!

[@ryukken_shin6155]

I can only imagine what the campaign would look like. Perhaps they’d have something similar to battlefleet gothic 2 where you follow a certain story but you can attack and move wherever you want.

[@Shimmerscale]

Archaon the Neverchosen and Failbaddon Master of Disaster - Truly, I kinda see the pattern here... It's never about winning it's about causing as much suffering in the process...

[@calvinater1]

I really hope we can get this

[@dannyscott14]

This would so work. Ever since the wood elves DLC I have been thinking this could actually work.

[@faceoctopus4571]

Ad Mech as a faction fielding Skitarii and titans would be pretty sweet. Dark Mech I assume would be pretty similar, but also get Daemon Engines.

[@gerardclarke1001]

I could see this as a blend between dow and battlefleet gothic

[@mitchelrowe6915]

I think it'd make more sense of the imperium was one faction, only because the weakest unit of the space marines are scout marines who could happily take on dozens of orc boys. It'd make more sense to me if space marines were monstrous infantry to an imperial faction

[@lazytopaz]

As much as I am against pre ordering anything at all (whilst my steam copy for cyberpunk is sitting happily in my library... yeah, there are certain titles/games/etc that have a vip pass), Total War Warhammer 40000 would be instant pre order. With one big "as long as" : As long as it would be at least as moddable as Total War Warhammer 2, AT VERY LEAST. Because there are certain mods I cannot imagine playing Total Warhammer 2 without. Stuff like : random encounters on land, building towers/camps on campaign map, crafting items for any race with money/resources, mixu's LL's/Heroes and any mod that adds more lords/heroes to play with, Regiments of Renown additions and expanded unit rosters, region trading, abandon region, better camera, GCCM battle map additions/expansions to name just a few. One can only hope because there is never enough of good high budget games made in Warhammer 40k universe.