Toxic Masculinity Compilation (High Guardian Spice)

If I missed something, it's because I can't bring myself to keep watching this show. This shit is legit sickening to tolerate now.

[@sandwichmonster7067]

It’s like they based all their ideas of toxic masculinity on cartoon bullies rather than on real human behavior

[@lorblauh]

This is exactly what happened. All the writers are very immature and all their "insights" into human behavior has been mediated through simplistic entertainment tropes that they've mistaken for actual representation of real life.

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

That's why toxic masculinity is false, because human behavior has to do with the person's actions not their masculine traits.

[@malawisupasoldier7478]

I don't believe in toxic masculinity, there's just toxic people in this world

[@elongatedmanforever1252]

@@malawisupasoldier7478 Me too

[@alexgomez6723]

@@elongatedmanforever1252 Everything I hear about “toxic masculinity” basically boils down to being a plain old insensitive jerkwad, traits that no one associated with masculinity besides the biggest assholes. I wouldnt have much of an issue with it if there was a contrasting “positive masculinity”, but there isn’t, I wonder why that is. The entire concept seems to just be a ginormous strawman against males and manhood.

[@lupinsredjacket3191]

The writers of this show have such a 2D perspective of the concept of "masculinity", it's actually hilarious. They seem to connect "masculinity" to negative traits like "arrogance", "narcissism", or "meanness" when those are just negative *human* traits that can be applied to both men & women equally. These writers probably think that the concept of "femininity" involves being "weak" or "overtly girly" (wearing make up & frilly dresses, etc.) There are all kinds of masculinity just like there are all kinds of femininity. Like, the wrath of a mother whose child is in danger? That's badass feminity right there. The writers have such a narrow view of both concepts, if you ask me.

[@guillermo4730]

Probably the writers (and artist) behind this show has parental loveless behavior

[@herrysterling6189]

So toxic masculinity is generally defined as the things you mentioned. Arrogance due to either overconfidence in ones ability since a "real man can do x on their own" or a "real man doesn't need help". Narcissism isnt too connected with it last i checked and as for meaness again not too connected other then casual sexism but to clarify masculinity in of itself is perfectly fine but there are aspects that can get twisted and become toxic. Granted all of this gender stuff is cultural and ultimately would be arbitrary if it wasnt for the culture. I dont believe any of it has a strong basis in reality

[@kou7191]

@@EmperorZelos while absolutely refusing to acknowledge that misandry is also a thing, and it's NOT the same as feminism.

[@MRauTObt]

What you describe is called toxic masculinity. It exists and is more common than people think. The problem here is that the writers think that its the only way of being masculine, resulting in this show being completely out of touch with reality and the complexities of being a man.

[@lupinsredjacket3191]

@@kou7191 I think Omnissiah was being sarcastic.

[@lychee349]

I’d never imagine a r/womenwritingmen but this… this would be there.

[@WaryJester]

If you've ever read a trashy romance novel from a dollar store, you could fill TWO subreddits with that kind of nonsense. It would be hilarious lmao

[@krishnavinesh5638]

@@diamondminer5459 You could do that for both genders. Lol Some men suck at writing women, and some women suck at writing men. There's nothing to do with gender. They're just shit at writing

[@karma-vb9nu]

the writer of the show is a man

[@leanawells4311]

@@karma-vb9nu correction a trans male, there is a difference; a large number of trans males don't grow up being treated as male meaning they lack the experience alongside not having the toxic masculinity expectations and slander placed on them even after transition if he did then he would have fired most of his coworkers for there sexist anti-male propaganda.

[@spaceboy1346]

Literally just fill that subreddit with women writing mlm books 🤞🏼

[@Rihcterwilker]

I don't get what was the message they were trying to show here. Blonde dude acts all high around the girl = she has a crush on him. Blonde dudes praises the girl and admits he learned his lesson, showing he's actually a nice dude = girl lost interest.

[@Groomsman]

Well they do say girls are more into bad boys

[@gideonjones5712]

Literally none of what he said or did indicated learning a lesson. They went out of their way to make him insufferable and stupid and incapable of growing or learning anything. THAT was the message.

[@Rihcterwilker]

@@gideonjones5712 they certainly made everyone in the show insufferable, not only him.

[@indigowendigo8165]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it kind of sounds like he's really shallow or maybe even insincere and didn't even really mean it, he just sees girls as people to flirt with and not see them as real people, that's probably why Rose got mad. :p

[@Rihcterwilker]

@@indigowendigo8165 as cliché as he's made to be, at 2:40 he shows a tiny bit of character development, going from an "all talk" dude to someone actually reconizing her abilities, still in his smug way of seeing things, even admitting that he has to grow and learn in some aspects. I thought it was legit a good message, as people can change and be better. Then, just like she ramdonly thought she loved him, the girl doesn't like him anymore, the dude is physically hurt and his growth meant nothing, becoming comical relief that was pushed to the side lines. That was disappointing. Tl;dr: the characters in this show have flutuating emotions that just lead to wasted potential.

[@notch6801]

Ironically enough, the male characters are far more interesting than the female characters. Their additudes implied that people have high expectations for them but the society that they live in is constantly bringing them down and reminding them of their mistakes and insecurities. Thus putting them on the wrong path or becoming full on villains.

[@vitorsanches7290]

and a spin-off series of their own really sounds like an interesting idea, i think i would watch

[@cautiouslyimpulsive8321]

them and the purple haired villain girl

[@ciscoventura]

Fr real at least Steven universe gave the villain characters a redemption arch These writers just create mini villains without building on their personalities and behavior to show WHY they are assholes would give us an idea if they are the grinch or judge doom One is a victim of circumstance The other plain in it for the joy of seeing others suffer

[@kujakubes241]

@@vitorsanches7290 not with these writers

[@vitorsanches7290]

@@kujakubes241 maybe made by haters (haters because there are practically no fans, let's be honest), like a fanfic, or haterfic in this case)

[@user-wn3wv5bx5e]

Aaster is surprisingly cute, like a himbo with no seriously bad intentions. They were clearly meant to be displaying the stereotypes of a 'bad man' but I'm honestly not annoyed at all, he's like a kid, and he _is_ just a kid, so not only do I find him entertaining but reasonable within his actions. Sure, we still don't know why he's acting like this, (though it's probably through enabling. And you'd think the people around him getting annoyed and faking their friendliness towards him is justified for feeling that, yet surprise surprise, that's actually another form of enabling), but he clearly has no malicious intentions and just wants to impress her. He can get petty, as seen by the end, but if you're suddenly going to snap at me right after you kept willfully agreeing with me, then I'd be confused and petty too. Again, he's just a kid, let him grow as a person and don't punish him physically for trying to learn that lesson.

[@Rougealienpirate]

>Himbo None of these dudes are built like that

[@emartin29]

This comment. Here.

[@indigowendigo8165]

I honestly found Snap's bully (Cal...?) to be worse but Aster/Astrid was more annoyingly funny, but if neither of them get character development and more seasons come out, then I don't really care either way, their still pretty two-dimensional. :p

[@Hypershadic23]

From clips and reviews, I've seen he doesn't really seem like as bad a guy as the show makes him out to be. Like yeah, he was kinda cocky and overconfident but he's not evil. Hell, I don't even think he was actively going out of his way to be like that, it's just how he is. Also in a lot of these clips, other than maybe the compass thing and that's kinda pushing it, it almost is like he's looking out for Rosemary or just trying to impress her, that's not inherently a bad thing, a lot of younger kids try to do that when they have a crush on someone. Also in the climbing scene, he actually compliments her basically telling her "good catch" and yeah he calls her "Sprout" or whatever that sounded less derogatory toward her and more of just a nickname cuz she is actually shorter than him. Idk why I'm analyzing this so damn much I don't even watch this fucking show.

[@loopymomy2532]

Honestly he was giving me Leo vibes tbh. Idk why they tried so hard to make him seem selfish. He did like rosemary though? That’s why he was bragging and boasting. Just like every single Leo guy I met 😂

[@DaddyDynastic]

How come none of these toxic men know how to throw a damn punch?

[@DavidZakuzaRyutashi]

The plot wont allow it

[@masterlight2]

The world think that they're so "toxic"

[@ExtremeWreck]

Because the writers think men are the weakest beings in existence.

[@somebodythatyouneverknew5806]

Would be better if Snap Dragon got beat instead because c’mon he look like a noodle and you’re telling me the that built like average can’t beat him? Yeah that’s so believable

[@DaddyDynastic]

@@somebodythatyouneverknew5806 I said the same thing not to mention the show has already made it clear brute strength isn't his strong suit hell amaryllis is better at it it's why they switched weapons Not to mention anyone with a hint of testosterone that isn't a teacher or slime boy is impossibly incompetent something that should have kept them out of the school entirely

[@jilliancrawford7577]

Maybe I'm wrong, but Snapdragon's dad and brother's "toxic masculinity" wasn't all that bad. It seemed more like he wanted his son to be able to stand up for himself moreso than "be a man". It wouldn't be any different than if I had a mom tell me I need to learn how to cook and sew to be self-sufficient and have a sister make fun of me for not knowing how to walk in heels.

[@spectralLane]

Exactly, like, they could have at least been accurate with how toxic masculinity originates and what it truly is. Snapdragon's past didn't really say much about harmful or forced lessons and rather seemed that her dad just wanted to help?? I'm not sure

[@user-wn3wv5bx5e]

@@spectralLane Did he already change pronouns? Gonna have to use male since the creators straight up left it ambiguous. But yeah, I agree with the other comment, Snapdragon doesn't even seem trans, he just seems like a guy who just so happens to be feminine and like feminine things. Liking feminine things doesn't equal completely being female.

[@poijnve3912]

@@user-wn3wv5bx5e it was confirmedd by snap va that eh will be trans in the "next" season....

[@user-wn3wv5bx5e]

@@poijnve3912 That's a shame. He could've been great representation of a young boy being comfortable with his own skin. It would've been interesting to see, and instead expand on the already trans character as to why he became trans via learning about Rosemary's mother's past.

[@poijnve3912]

@@user-wn3wv5bx5e the trans character can´t have story or personality, they are self insert after all xD... aslo if snap were a real boy, that would make sage a lier and a sexist person, because her "boys dont understan friendship" whole dialoge haha

[@cordyceps7531]

This is fucking sad. Blondie sings genuine praises about Rosemary to everyone and everyone hates him for some reason. Also breaking his foot is justified and laughed off cause, he was a little smug before.

[@SunnysFilms]

All while Sage has been a complete misandrist this whole episode and it's actually brushed off and later used for Snapdragon's personal growth instead of her own. Because, apparently, it's fine for girls to be horrible. But guys deserve a broken foot, even when they're admitting they were being a jerk.

[@MRauTObt]

He is still kind of smug about it in the end. Hes taken a step forward but still has a lot of reevaluating to do.

[@SunnysFilms]

@@MRauTObt He's still basically punished for taking that step forward. Meanwhile, Sage is a sexist ass throughout this entire episode and it's never called out. She even makes Snapdragon cry and it's used for HIS character growth, not hers.

[@BlooftubeBloof]

He's a teenager too and probably dumb but they treat him like he murdered someone.

[@user-wn3wv5bx5e]

@@MRauTObt He did sound smug, but that's only because not only did Rosemary snap at him completely out of nowhere, but probably because smug is the only way he knows how to talk and is okay to talk. Which actually made his praises by the end seem more genuine, that he spoke it in his own understanding and not immediately a 180 from his initial thinking.

[@chaddoge6659]

3:26 dude... SHE JUST BROKE THAT KID'S FOOT AND THE TEACHER IS LAUGHING??? That guy should be fired, like... RIGHT NOW.

[@taratih]

Dude this is so irritating what did aster even do? He was being nice and in response is supposed to be the bad one here? This is so baddd

[@chaddoge6659]

@@taratih Yeah, right? The worst part is they think they are doing right

[@titanblade3706]

I was so baffled and annoyed. Teachers should be condemning violence, not support when to suits them or their narrative

[@taratih]

@@titanblade3706 EXACTLY

[@jamessamedy6319]

@@taratih well, his mere existence is deemed a hate crime according to the laws of female superiority

[@hiiloveu1521]

"My name is Rosemary!" " *laughs* Are you sure?" "Yes, it's ROSE-MARY" There's no way it was written by an actual person and approved by other people

[@Outlaw7263]

"People are FUCKING STUPID!" -Foamy the Squirrel.

[@Troublethecat]

To be fair, while she was still going gaga over him, she actually agreed with him that her name was Rhubarb, so "Are you sure?" makes sense in context.

[@hiiloveu1521]

@@Troublethecat but taken out of context it looks like it was written by someone who's terribly sleep deprived and desperately needs to show that a character is mean but they suck at writing dialogues

[@whiterussianvodka4285]

It becomes funnier when you notice that he didn't know Rose's actual name because she let him call her by a wrong one

[@ohokay9420]

What if Snapdragon was more “””feminine””” while still being male? I feel like that’s a better message, showing that there are many different flavors of gender expression…

[@Outlaw7263]

That would require competent writers

[@ohokay9420]

@@Outlaw7263 Bro- TRUUUE

[@malawisupasoldier7478]

Exactly that. Apparently femboys don't exist to these people

[@kamikazoo6599]

@@malawisupasoldier7478 To these "people" femboys are just trans-in-denie.

[@jamesneese7663]

The problem is that the creators clearly didn't give a #$#@$ about anything but saying that "transgenders are cool and EVERYONE should be one!" Notice that the ONLY "good" males just happen to ALL be "trans"....as if the say anyone wanting to be male or keep their testies is INHERENTLY toxic and HOPELESSLY evil. The writing team seemed determined to railroad Snapdragon. And in twitter they confirmed he would transition in season 2...because there can be NOT good guys in this series. NONE.

[@aaronboy5512]

If you want a good female protagonist, don't make it that the men are less powerfull than her, make strong opposition. Opposition that would make her train to be stronger.

[@icecreamsundd]

If you want a good female protagonist, just write her exactly like you would anyone else.

[@iceman6953]

Example: Yashahime

[@MustacheDLuffy]

Opposition is only for men

[@sinistralhydra]

That's what I didn't like about Captain Marvel. There's nothing wrong with a protagonist being strong, but if they're stronger than all the antagonists, then there's no sense of tension or conflict.

[@jamesneese7663]

all this advise is true but missing a critical element. The show was written by a staff who consider "diversity" to be "all (white) women in the writer's room" (the creator himself doesn't count or is considered a woman...and never corrected his staff on that commercial.....go figure). Their take on "good female protagonists" is FAR different from the norm or any standard you care to use. They played by their own rules and gave zero #$@#$ what anyone else would think, instead determined to silence all criticism by screaming "misogyny!"

[@dragonhearthx8369]

This just shows how the writers THINK men act. Maybe actually talk to a man to get the real picture.

[@acsound]

They had CAM CLARKE on tap--no excuses for this shit...

[@trees1922]

Bro do you even know what the people who work on this show look like? They definitely never gotten male attention in their lives Buncha whales with neon hair lmao

[@dragonhearthx8369]

@@trees1922 oh I know.

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@acsound Cam Clarke? Oh dear lord, I feel bad for Clarke, as if those Goodtimes movies weren't enough.

[@Outlaw7263]

r/womenwritingmen when?

[@BlooftubeBloof]

High guardian spice is breaking barriers by having the only implied trans women character beat the shit out of someone for making them feel insecure. Truly ground breaking and defying stereotypes A+ 10/10

[@somebodythatyouneverknew5806]

The only time I got a tiny grin is when a Trans Wahmen beat the shit out of a character voiced by ProZd, amazing

[@ashers1930]

Wait who’s the trans one? I have no interest in watching this series

[@BlooftubeBloof]

@@ashers1930 snapdragon is implied to be in the closet

[@griseldanguyenpham2427]

Great use of sarcasm in your comment, Blooftube Bloof!

[@xarah2515]

There’s a trans femme? Where?

[@0deadx21]

That's literally *ALL* these characters do. They only exist to make cis males within the main characters' age range look awful.

[@stevepensando2593]

Except Slime Boy. He is perfect with no flaws whatsoever

[@isaacvitela5131]

Well this is written by a feminist. What was one expecting? no misandry?

[@nuage6230]

@@isaacvitela5131 please don't use the term feminist when it comes to karens hating men for no reason.

[@jonquilgemstone]

And they fail miserably at it. Aster actually seemed like he's not a bad dude, no matter how they tried to portray him.

[@samuelsprings7245]

@@nuage6230 No; most modern-day feminists dislike, generalize, and belittle men. All of them? No. Most? Yes.

[@maddiemcnugget1076]

Honestly... Aster's not the biggest misogynist, he's just prideful. He says "nice looking out" when Rosemary helps him. He has a lot of pride as shown in the swinging axe scene, but Parnell (shown as a good male character) jumped off into the misty void as well (though this was done as a "my life sucks" joke I think...) He keeps calling her Rhubarb because she didn't bother correcting her (due to infatuation) until she was at her wits end and then she angrily corrects him saying her name's Rosemary. I'm an angry girl too, so I might've been frustrated too, but the frustration is more in myself for not correcting him. But yeah being angry at people who don't deserve it isn't good. He undermines Rosemary, but I see that more as "I'm a prideful and strong guy who has to prove his worth to cute girls" instead of "I'm a misogynistic asshole who thinks women can't do things". Given I didn't see the whole scene, but from my perspective, Aster's end where he's impressed with Rosemary, then Rosemary implies she doesn't want to hang out with him anymore, then him calling her stuck up comes out of nowhere. If they wanted him to be a toxic male, they should've had him ask her our and her say no then have him throw a tantrum or something. I know it's a magical show, but that doesn't mean "Write the people characters as stupidly as possible". There's too many leaps of logic.

[@daikio420]

You know the writers fuck up when others can make a better explanation of their characters then how they explain them

[@boryontotheleader2328]

No, the better way of making him an asshole, is asking her out, she says yes and he ghosts her for another. That would make more sense. The first one you suggested should be used on a guy she DOESN'T find attractive, for that happens more often than not.

[@muddashucka9743]

Is Aster the first dude?

[@meridaskywalker7816]

@@muddashucka9743 yes

[@jonquilgemstone]

Honestly, it just looks like Aster was trying too hard to impress a cute girl. Maybe he normally is great at stuff, but he got nervous and tried masking it.

[@loregore7999]

I love axe girl just laughing as she cuts her way through the maze.

[@PhoenixAura81]

Yeah. She's honestly one of the only good characters in that show.

[@icecreamsundd]

AXE GIRL SUPREMACY

[@loregore7999]

@@PhoenixAura81 her back must hurt from carrying the show.

[@nightlightshinebright5552]

Weird how the bitchy character is the only one in the show with an actual personality.

[@loregore7999]

Oh dang that's a lot of likes

[@JWeb66]

Sooo...we all agree that this is what modern day sexism looks like right? You can't fix misogyny with misandery.

[@Outlaw7263]

Yup, on the modern sexism thing not the fixing misogyny with misandry

[@JWeb66]

@@Outlaw7263 so you think misandry does fix misogeny?

[@suitnuggerat1123]

I honestly don't think it's that deep. He's just pretty, blonde and blue eyed and happens to be an asshole. There are other white males in the show who aren't caricatures.

[@JWeb66]

@@suitnuggerat1123 Literally any man that isn't portrayed as gay, beta, femboy, trans, or colored is treated like a bigot, and idiot, or a sleaze. And that was definitely the intentions of the writers.

[@suitnuggerat1123]

@@JWeb66 That's not true. Cal is dark-skinned and an asshole, Slime Boy is white and a good guy. I think you're exaggerating, just because the show says it's okay to not be a what you would call a "alpha male" doesn't mean it hates all people who wanna be like that. (and I don't care what Kate Leth said on twitter shut up!)

[@vossboss220]

Even the few people who are genuinely toxic in this way don't act or speak like this.

[@angah82]

I love that Snapdragon only became trans because his brother and some bully kept insulting him by calling him a girl. Way to stick it to them, my guy /s

[@jonquilgemstone]

Lol, if anything it means a win for the ones who called him a girl.

[@dondog3123]

I prefer snapdragon being a femboy

[@solierix]

@@dondog3123 of course you do.

[@Kuudere_Fanboy]

He didn't became trans he was always trans.

[@solierix]

@@Kuudere_Fanboy you say as you misgender them

[@miniscoil417]

Aster is literally a hilarious character. He's that one delusional dummy every protagonist group has. Always the comic relief.

[@castaliafierce8466]

Could easily be a Sokka, and everybody loves sokka

[@GoblinAttacForce]

@@castaliafierce8466or a Chazz

[@jonquilgemstone]

Snapdragon overreacted. Just make clever retorts, like -Huh. Seems like you can't stop thinking about the sight of me. -What? Upset your your little mermaid wifey was just pretend? -You didn't seem to hate it at first. What was that lame pickup line you used? -I'm sure you'll get along with the mermaids, too. How many do you plan on proposing to? -Me, a girl? Ha, you wish. Edit: Imagining a back and forth argument instead of what happened, I can picture that episode focusing on them as a side story. They are distracted arguing and get separated from the group. Classic "enemies turned to bros" trope begins, and by the end of the episode they actually understand each other. Given their different personalities, they could balance each other out nicely and assist in character growth. Edit 2: Heck, why not bring Aster into this? After Aster gets his foot crushed while everyone laughs, Snap could intervene and help Aster with his foot, since he challenged Sage's misandry in that episode. That could show that part of what sets Snapdragon apart is his empathy, which could get Sage thinking about how she might've been wrong about men. Amaryllis, being Snapdragon's friend, would probably dial down her bullying of Aster, and Aster would become their himbo friend. Aster's reaction towards Snap in the mermaid costume would be a foil to Cal's after Amaryllis drives him away: Aster could mistake Snapdragon for a girl, but then when he realizes it's actually Snapdragon he could laugh it off and tell him he looks way too good in that costume. Then he could walk off with some other people, maybe with his parting words being something like telling Snap to introduce his sister, if he has one. This would still make Snap insecure, but Amaryllis could point out it was a compliment and use it to prove Cal was just a weirdo for reacting the way he did. That would give Amaryllis a reason to stop worrying about Snap's insecurity bc she would think it was all patched up now. THEN would come the "let's go smash stuff until you feel better" line.

[@Hypershadic23]

I think one of the most important lessons any kid can learn growing up is how to clap back in a given situation. Snapdragon was never taught this valuable life lesson💀

[@inerciasart]

I support Snapdragon hitting the purple hair guy but now I _need_ Snapdragon and Aster being friends-

[@ari1758]

@@inerciasart SAME

[@g1-Michigan]

Damn, you should be a writer for the show

[@jonquilgemstone]

@@g1-Michigan I may be a woman, but I'm not woke. They'd reject me 😉

[@user-wn3wv5bx5e]

1:54 - Actually, there _is_ a condition where your heart could be at the right side. And I'm a little surprised he didn't know since from the adrenaline, wouldn't he sense the intensity of his heart beats from his left side? Seems to me he's actually telling the truth and sensed that his heart beat was from the right as he might've had the condition, and assumed the heart must be at the right lol

[@crabmeatonstick]

One in ten people btw!!!! Its rlly not rare!!!

[@warezz1743]

Dextrocardia less than 1 percent have it but definitely probable!

[@garrtoons4303]

That moment you realized that the quote-on-quote *toxic male* of the episode is the most interesting character.

[@TitanXecutor]

It's like each boy represents what each writer hates about the male gender

[@WaterSodaaaaa]

I wonder what Sime Boy represents...

[@mochalatte8362]

@@WaterSodaaaaa Plot twist: *they didn't make him*

[@SilverSnook7966]

@@WaterSodaaaaa Men who don't care about them

[@ExtremeWreck]

@@WaterSodaaaaa Slime Boy is essentially that one guy you meet who either acts like Wayne or Garth or Bill or Ted. -Or Radical Rex-

[@Goat81093]

Toxic masculinity canbe written and handeled way better if it was incorporated well into a plot. But this feels like it was written by a 14 year old girl who just got through her first brake up

[@hypnospaceoutlaw3376]

You say that as if it wasn't written by a 14 Year old girl who just got through her first break up.

[@danielhart7435]

Or toxic masculinity doesn't exist.

[@Goat81093]

@@danielhart7435 I mean yeah maybe.. I dunno what these twitter terms means anyway. I guess I just mean assholes in general

[@danielhart7435]

@@Goat81093 Isn’t everyone an asshole to someone?

[@Goat81093]

@@danielhart7435 true that lol But I guess this show is adreesing asshole men or some shit

[@0XBlondie96X0]

The thing that really kills me is when she was like "My name is Rosemary" and the dude was like "Are you sure?" Like if they wanted to just portray him as a condescending asshole who refuses to call her by her actual name they could have had him respond with "whatever" but I refuse to believe any real human being would be dumb enough to suggest that someone else doesn't know their own name.

[@romariohenry400]

And honestly it was the funniest scene in this video

[@Panzerkirby]

they wanted to portrait gaslighting or mansplaining or something like that, but went oh so terribly bad in it

[@muddashucka9743]

She told him her name was Rhubarb, and didn't bother correcting him up until that point.

[@Darnactheduck]

They can change gender through magik potion, can turn little cat into giant cat but a boy wearing a dress? That's messed up for cal?

[@BlooftubeBloof]

They have openly gay characters, gender non conforming men and women and trans characters who are accepted and not judged within this universe yet cal acts like this is news to him.

[@poijnve3912]

well he could used the potion to go as a mermaid (a literal female mermid)... when you have transformation magic the whole outfits that aren't real is even stupider haha... he still could insult snap calling him poor, so he can only use a custom, but that would required actually writing haha

[@jonquilgemstone]

@@poijnve3912 "That's messed up! If you're gonna go as a girl, at least *be* an actual girl! Are you poor, lazy, or just stupid?!"

[@indigowendigo8165]

@@BlooftubeBloof I thought the whole point was that maybe it IS news for Cal like he doesn't know that one trans teacher is trans or doesn't accept it even if it's not really brought up. :p Or maybe he's just like that for people like Snap...

[@poijnve3912]

@@jonquilgemstone pretty much, and just for more points made carl be a vampiress xD to show that chagin someone apparience is to some degree "normal" in that world but again, that required normal writing huaha

[@Hectotane]

Okay, I understand that the level of "toxic masculinity" does exist. But being just as toxic to the guy whose masculinity is toxic is never a good idea. It just makes everyone a bunch of assholes, and the show they're in won't be worth watching overall.

[@isaacvitela5131]

well this is written by a feminist. So honestly I am not surprised that if she has even talked to a man.

[@fbyi2940]

@@isaacvitela5131 ethier you understand others

[@isaacvitela5131]

@@fbyi2940 you don't need understanding to practice being decent. It's common sense. If you gonna be an A-hole, then expect an a-hole response. No one Likes a-holes and you know that.

[@fbyi2940]

@@isaacvitela5131 "no one likes a$holes" you sure about that ?

[@isaacvitela5131]

@@fbyi2940 Why do you think 4chan and Twitter exist? care to test that?

[@SunnysFilms]

Some thoughts: 0:01 That perspective though. That's awful. I love how teachers in HGA just assign inexperienced kids dangerous tasks without any actual assistance or guidance, therefore perpetually endangering them but teaching them nothing. How do you use a compass to solve a maze? Pretty sure that's not how mazes work. Astor basically admits he judged Rosemary on her looks and learned to try to do better THEN gets punished by Parsley and the teacher. How dare he learn his lesson on his own! Speaking of Parsley - she threw her hammer behind her and it landed on Astor's foot. Astor. Who is standing next to her. Also, gotta love how Rosemary - who is a total meathead normally - becomes super competent just for this episode. 3:31 That flame is dangerously close to that web decoration and we later learn they have to rely on firefighters to put out fires at this MAGICAL SCHOOL. 4:13 The ring just vanishes. They could have had him drop it in surprise, but that would take effort. Why are Snapdragon's pupils white? (I know I know "Oh my God! You can't just ask someone why their pupils are white!") I love how Sage's hat keeps changing size between frames. "Your wrist is broken" How do you know just by looking at it from several feet away?????

[@rashan141]

That's one of the things that bugged me, too. Astor is literally learning his lesson. THATS GOOD! What the hell was with Rosemary's reaction?

[@SunnysFilms]

@@rashan141 What's worse is that Sage acts completely sexist throughout this same episode, and it's never addressed. She pretty much says she hates men - and no one seems to care. And she tells Snapdragon that girl friendships are closer by default than guy friendships and, instead of her learning that she's wrong and growing as a character, her speech is used for Snapdragon's character growth regarding his questioning his gender identity. This whole episode has a "girls are all automatically right" overtone that just doesn't sit right with me.

[@rashan141]

@@SunnysFilms Oh, I reacted to that somewhere else in this comment section. The fact that she gets proven 'right' by Snap being trans will never not be a mark on this show's history. The fact that she had the GALL to be voiced like she's 'right' in this show will forever taint it for me.

[@SunnysFilms]

@@rashan141 She's even acting toxic over Rosemary's crush on Astor and, instead of realizing that her jealousy and possessiveness is immature and wrong, she ends up being proven right about Astor being wrong for Rose. This show makes a habit of having Sage say and do terrible things but still suffer no consequences and get proven right. Honestly, Sage is the worst.

[@rashan141]

@@SunnysFilms She's essentially new magic given human form. Confusing, no explanation behind her, and doing things because she can without consequences that don't become obvious until far later.

[@Discohater4]

The fact that they STILL managed to make the male characters more likable than almost all the female characters is just 😭😭😭😭😭

[@Troublethecat]

Aster is so weirdly written the more I think of him. He's clearly one of those "over confident himbo wannabe ladies man" types of characters as written by a misandrist, but he never really acts in a way that justifies the amount of hostility the others show him at the end of the episode. He definitely didn't do anything to deserve Parsley dropping her hammer on his foot.

[@ExpertContrarian]

Man does nothing but humiliate himself and they end it with physical violence against him. Psychotic writers

[@TheSameYellowToy]

The teacher laughing at Aster as Parsley intentionally broke his foot right in front of him...WTF kind of teacher is he?!? Aster needs to have his parents sue the shit out of High Guardian Academy for that.

[@IIXXXXII]

Ah yes, Aster was immediately attacked for realising his lack of performance and skill and oathing to improve. Because that's how people should be treated right?

[@garrtoons4303]

Granted some people can see that as him trying to look good in front of people (which only shows even more of how much these writers hate men 😑). However, I think he's actually trying to improve and admit how cool Rose was but in a flawed manner being the himbo stereotype that he is. Heck, he even came close to getting her name right (Rose-barb).

[@aaronboy5512]

"There is no toxic masculinity. Only toxic people." -some guy on the internet

[@Girlybimbo]

Agreed

[@bluerat2106]

The "toxic" characters are the only funny parts in this show LMAO

[@justkaeden5959]

"My name's Rosemary." "Are you sure?" --High Guardian Spice, 2021

[@kingofcliche]

1:04 Okay, but how the heck are you supposed to make that jump without a trampoline?! And what's with the blades?!

[@SunnysFilms]

A teacher literally intentionally poisoned her entire class and told them if they didn't make an antidote for it they'd die. The faculty later sends all these undertrained students into a dangerous cave with zero guidance and shames the one kid smart enough to freak out and say this is bullshit. This school clearly doesn't care for the safety of the students.

[@rashes2286]

@@SunnysFilms I’m starting to think the academy is the twist evil company at this point

[@dummy3467]

The way the guy fell was slightly *SLIGHTLY* funny. He literally looks at Rosemary (Thats her name right?) with a dumbass smile and did an “OH SHIT” face once gravity decided to do its thing.

[@EKTE64]

​@@dummy3467No, her name is Rhubarb

[@frootsnacc6790]

Better idea- when the purple guy finds out Snapdragon is the mermaid, he starts getting flustered because it turns out that he’s got a crush on him, but he’s very nervous about being open about his bisexuality/pansexuality, so he tries hiding it by afterwards picking on him. The bit where he and Snapdragon are on the boat, it becomes more apparent he’s got a crush on him and is trying to hide it. You know, giving him more dimensions than just a toxic masculinity straw man

[@octoberspooks1771]

Seems like something High Guardian Spice would do if it wasn't all about the "men bad" type of thing.

[@frootsnacc6790]

@@octoberspooks1771 Instead of just a “man bad” character, Cal could’ve been turned into an actual three dimensional character who focuses on the real issue where people ashamed of their identity will target those who aren’t ashamed of theirs, but we couldn’t even have that

[@CompSomAnichi]

@@frootsnacc6790 true and the show could have also touched on internalized homophobia with Cal.

[@Tsrashi]

The fact that Wikipedia attributes the reception of this show to internet trolls and hate groups, rather than people who just dislike shitty writing and poorly developed characters, is really telling on where it stands as a supposedly impartial source of information.

[@jonaha502]

Ive used wikipedia for research and it is kinda crap

[@jonaha502]

@Chainmastress34 yes but they dont always approve of it

[@daikio420]

I like how Snapdragon doesn’t get punished at ALL even tho he threw hands on kal. All the self-insert noticed has his broken wrist instead of Kal’s broken nose lmao

[@romariohenry400]

These people jump to assault so damn fast. The short girl dropped an hammer on the guy's feet for no reason. He just admitted to learning his lesson

[@daikio420]

@@romariohenry400 then the teacher laughs it off instead of being fair and *actually* having a word with him

[@ArashiORelampagoAzul]

Small Detail: If was Kal instead of Snapdragon, the writer would make him get punished so bad that he wouldn't even try to interact to anyone again.

[@xxxmaysilssss690]

Here’s how I would rewrite and fix the episode with Aster and Rosemary in it. This would take place RIGHT after the scene where Rosemary takes charge and starts guiding them with the compass. So instead of actually getting them out of the maze, Rosemary would instead end up getting them lost instead, That’d be a cool plot twist. I could imagine after getting them lost even further, Rosemary has a revelation and thinks to herself “oh my God. I’m not as good as I thought I was”. She proceeds to sulk and negatively compare herself to her mother, then Aster awkwardly comforts her, and after a few failed attempts at joking, he sighs and quietly looks around at the maze and the state they’re both in, and then confesses to her that he knows he’s not that skilled or bright either, but he acts as though he is because he’s insecure and doesn’t want to seem vulnerable to anyone, and that’s why he’s been acting pretentious for the entire day. This gauges Rosemary’s interest, and she asks Aster what he’s trying to accomplish by doing this, and he tells her that he came from a small town where he was seen as talented and remarkable in his skills, but after being accepted into high guardian academy, he soon had the same realisation that Rosemary herself did in that he found out he wasn’t as good as he was hyped up to be previously, and he became insanely insecure in his own fighting and scavenging abilities, so he’s been trying to compensate for them this entire time. He then hesitantly apologises for speaking down to her after that as well. They then bond for a while, and after Rosemary gets a hold of herself, she stands up and offers her hand to Aster with a smile, telling him that they should work together to complete the maze this time. After some hard work where they both fight through the maze and try many different paths, they finally make it out. At the end of the episode, they tell each other that they should train together sometime since they both have a lot to work on. They laugh at their new inside joke and high-five each other, establishing a solid friendship and even potential future relationship. There. The episode has been fixed. And one of the only male characters in the show becomes a human and not a walking stereotype. It wasn’t hard at all.

[@emilian7052]

You should think about getting into writing! Your brilliant at it.

[@Crispy-Chips]

Aster had the potential to be a great character with a wholesome but funny arc. But the show writers just wrote him off as another "masculine a-hole".

[@zlatakashcheeva5309]

They could actually give aster some character, all of this facade of him being amazing could just be a mask to hide his insecurities, and when rosemary confronts him about it instead of just folding aster could have gotten angry, which would be a more appropriate emotion and reaction, and have an argument with rosemary, after which they both develop a competitive enemies relationship, in one of those fights aster gets hurt by something rosemary said about him, and just leaves, rosemary would feel guilty and would go say sorry to him, after which they talk a little about their past, and slowly, they would go from enemies to being good friends, with aster opening up more to rosemary about his family issues, they could have made him quite likable and give him his own arc, but unfortunately that didn't happen

[@amirulamani1487]

For real, that's what I would've imagine they're relationship would be, it's like, his boasting seems so much like he's trying to make himself look good at other people, most of the time, people do that to mask their insecurities, in genuinely shocked they didn't go with that route

[@tam5528]

I imagine that once they become friend, they would be the dumb and fun duo who often do dares and rope themselves in troubles for comedic reason, requiring a third character to pull them out of the situation

[@EKTE64]

That would require effort.

[@DanGabrielle]

Have someone notice that they draw Snapdragon's hips waaaaaay to curvy and delicate when he's sitting on the boat but when he stands up he's suddenly super skinny? This show can't even use well their own desing models

[@Remyatta]

There’s an inconsistency with size and body type throughout the entire show, I doubt they even did character sheets💀

[@mushybrains9843]

is it bad i like the toxic guys better, idk they just seem more interesting

[@ExtremeWreck]

Me too.

[@octoberspooks1771]

No, it's not. I like them too.

[@ichangedidk9097]

You're not alone. I prefer them over the main cast, honestly

[@SunwardApple]

Step 1: Get a female character to ask for help or intrest Step 2: Make male character look like douche or inferior Step 3: Success

[@sunsetsky9885]

I can not express to you how exhausted I am of the “arrogant guy lies about how good he is at X to impress a girl and then immediately fails at doing X” trope it’s so tiresome and cringeworthy

[@bloopertanooki415]

Aster is like the "arrogant" guy who is actually so adorable an non ill intentioned to hate. Like Berdly from Deltarune.

[@kirbyleggington7205]

Yeah like he was literally just trying to be nice at the end. That episode left a bad taste in my mouth.

[@scorchingemblem7873]

@@kirbyleggington7205 The whole show left a bad taste in my mouth

[@simplyaloe4996]

Another berdly fan I see

[@DaddyDynastic]

I can't imagine any professional writer saw this characterization and thought it was a good idea not only do you make them a bizarre combination of bravado and incompetence But according to the rules of of the story and setting with the specific characterization they were given they shouldn't have been allowed into the school in the first place so they only ever materialize and dematerialize in accordance with when they need to be taken down a peg

[@mothmanleon8986]

okay but why is the blonde dude literally more interesting than the actual main character in all the scenes they're all together

[@mothmanleon8986]

like he's stupid, rude, and talks like a himbo Cali beach boy, i love him. hate the show tho, but I'd take him.

[@feiwnakausvkaxbdkebkswowbq8331]

Poor blonde dude. Apologizes and people still hate him.

[@sushiroll7013]

THE WAY THE TEACHER SAID HIS NAME AT 5:16 HAD ME SOBBING LMAO

[@taratih]

Why he sound 15💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@jubbi4580]

He looks so emotionless doing so, not even upset or mad that the students are fighting, but he looks more shocked than anything

[@breadbird]

‘SNABDRAGIN STAP’

[@catleykataja343]

5:33 How can the teacher dude tell Ginger Kid's wrist is broken? Is this one of the teacher's magical powers or something?

[@Buraiyan333]

Being fair, the dude can catch arrows in flight just by hearing them and is a literal wizard. I'd just roll with that part of it.

[@candybeth]

If you see the scene alone, with all the tense music behind, it looks like he's going to abuse or kill the kid

[@bonafidemonafide7810]

I love how their idea of toxic masculinity is every disney movie jock character

[@madcatter5293]

Ok but is no one gonna talk about how worried Amaryllis was for Snapdragon that's adorable 😭

[@ntbored7727]

Snapdragon’s story was so stupid, were we supposed to feel bad for that. His dad clearly wants him to stand up for himself and his brother just said “you sound like a girl”, what about it?

[@ogithechamp5181]

Snapdragon's so fucking fragile he broke his wrist throwing a half-assed fist

[@alvinchen9655]

you should also include sage's crap about how guys don't talk about feelings.

[@yoshimina4551]

That would be a toxic feminity clip, and God knows that's what's going on in this show

[@alvinchen9655]

@@yoshimina4551 She's forcing masculine stereotypes onto snapdragon, technically it's also toxic "feminity" but to a much lesser degree.

[@Groomsman]

They say art reflects reality, this show is one of the reasons why I don’t believe that

[@gab_just_gab]

In defence of that statement, it doesn't necessarily mean ACTUAL reality, but more like the artist's reality. And in that case that statement would be absolutely right, because no way in hell that this god-awful writing reflects the real world in any single way lmao

[@antony2206]

There's no such a thing as toxic masculanity, it's only the human that toxic, not the masculanity.

[@coindog6336]

Mistaking toxic behavior for masculinity is what toxic masculinity is

[@ohokay9420]

Toxic masculinity is referring to the idea that men have to be stone cold, emotionless beefy super humans who never cry and get what they want (especially women) Which is harmful to both men and women

[@titanblade3706]

💯

[@Alexandraadftxr7052]

When people talk about toxic masculenity they don't say that all types of masculenity is toxic. They talk about the type of masculenity that prevents men from crying or showing emotions, or that they can't be victoms, or is basicly one of the things behind why sexist men are sexist towards women. If your type of masculenity includs being kind, lovebly, and open about your emotions then, that's just a type of masculanity that is not toxic.

[@lordoffire4705]

0:36 did that kid just get crushed to death!?

[@EKTE64]

Yep

[@catherinegrover9829]

I hate with a capital 'H' when they try to show how strong and capable women are by making the men around them incapable morons, in a funny way it's actually kinda sexist, sends a message that a woman can only be more capable than a man when the man is well someone like Link (Astor).

[@northseapirate2313]

You know in shows like RWBY and Steven Universe which have all female leads and girl power themes they at least have good male characters. This show just hates men and treats masculinity in general as some horrible thing that needs to be destroyed. Considering the track records of the creators, it doesn't surprise me.

[@-yumichan-9054]

3:20 seriously? Dropping a hammer on someones foot is ridiculous. Sure he may have been a little arrogant but you don't just do THAT- The only thing this show represents is misandry

[@kirbyleggington7205]

I think my biggest issue with the characters in this show is that when one of the girls has unlikable traits, they're written realistically and are given redeeming qualities and moments(Amaryllis, Thyme, etc.) but every flawed male character is either given no redeeming qualities like Cal or is just a punching bag like Aster. Also he literally never appears after this episode lol

[@meridaskywalker7816]

His parents probably took him back home after hammer incident and cited the school

[@XDarkEcho]

Aster: "I knew you were stuck up." Teacher: "Wow! Son, we need to have a word." OH my god, that writing, hahah. Parsley: *drops hammer on Aster's foot* "Whoops! ;D" Teacher: "Haha, that's what you get white devil!" Seriously, I've seen douchebags in shows get their karma, but this was just done so poorly and bad. Aster didn't even really say anything warranting a "We need to talk" from the teacher, compared to having his foot possibly fractured. Gotta love characters solely being made to be a verbal, physical, and social punching bag for the writer. It's like I'm reading DeviantArt stories created by edgey teenagers all over again.

[@SonarTheBat]

If you're white, cis, heterosexual and male, you're an antagonist in this universe.

[@briancatoni7000]

Aster could have been like the dragon prince's Soren if this if this show wasn't allergic to cis men

[@user-bv3yy8sq3f]

why does it feel like most of these clips just enable the idea that violence against men is good, just because they hurt your feelings? vice versa and itd be seen as so messed up to harm a ditzy, boastful girl and for the teacher to approve, yet its 100% seen as a funny haha moment here??

[@rachelwalmart]

“And I know how to use a compass” *continues walking in the same direction*

[@josteinhenrique2779]

Western women: "I hate how men write female characters! It's so heinous! Haven't they never met a real woman?" How western women write male characters:

[@milkpoptart2308]

There’s nothing wrong with having a character that’s like this. It becomes a problem when every male character is written like this just to show “men bad toxic and bad grrr” and then after they make their point they completely dismiss the characters.

[@xenrusxenomorph2268]

The weird thing is that the only non toxic male characters are gone in five seconds too. Any more MAJOR male characters that aren't toxic are frame as backstory character development for the main character or barely there at all. The only non toxic males have been married in this show.. and even that is not a guarentee due to amarylis (Purple haired girl) backstory.

[@robotoorigato7288]

Okay but... not gonna lie, cutting out that last bit where he calls Rosemary stuck up and she complains about him, I actually think Rosemary and Aster would be cute together with a bit of development. Like, seeing Aster tense up on instinct when Rosemary started taking charge, followed by him singing her praises to a whole crowd of people is actually really adorable??? Like, he's a bit confused but he's got the spirit. I dunno, I just think there's a lot of character development potential, with Rosemary learning to stop judging a book by the cover and see him as more than just a pretty face and an overconfident, annoying attitude, and Aster going from "woah she's cute" to "woah she's cute AND SHE CAN KICK MY ASS" and learning to cooperate with her.

[@Andrxy]

Writers: How do we make the women in this show strong and empowered? -Hmm, we could make them brave, with an interesting backstory, friendly and empathetic writers: no, no, no, it is better to make them totally flat, and make men become louts and brainless brutes! we have it!

[@EnigmaBarry]

One of the problems with High Guardian Spice is that the School/City doesn't feel like a lived in world. It feels like a setpiece for "That Happened" Tumblr stories where everyone claps at the end. Why does Rosemary not know what a Transgendered person is? How come Snap Dragon doesn't know what transition magic is? In a world where people can use magic to become animals, not knowing you can change your gender is odd. Is the world of HGS worse than what we see, possibly. But that's not what we SEE. Take Cal who tries to be transphobic to Snapdragon. Only Cal is transphobic. Everyone claps and stands up for our crossdressing mermaid. Similarly, Caraway is a well respected professor with positive character traits like being transgendered or being transgendered, and who could forget being transgendered. He never faces any blowback for being transgendered even though the voice is a dead giveaway. Not even from Cal. It's like the show is a safespace so the characters never face any real conflict. The only characters who cause problems in this show are one-dimensional jerks who don't last more than an episode. Our characters never have to grow or learn anything to overcome conflict. They're innately good or already know what to do so they can be a symbol of "Girl Power". This is most evident with Aster and Rosemary. Aster is a smug jerk and haughty, hyping up his awesomness...but he's really a goofball and klutz. But so is Rosemary. She's been a goofball and klutz the entire series up to this point. All of a sudden Rosemary's klutziness is nowhere to be seen and she is extremely competent, even pulling Aster up one handed, all so she can put Aster in his place for being a toxic male. What did Rosemary learn the entire episode? Nothing beyond don't fall for idiots. Instead Rosemary exists to teach Aster (and the male audience) that girls rule and you need to deal with it. And then everyone claps when Parsley throws her hammer. Aster could've been a skilled but klutzy guy Rosemary had to overcome...an actual explanation for his haughtiness. Aster and Rosemary could've been goofball rivals who learn from one another and even respect each other as rivals at the end. He could've been a positive (recurring?) male character. Because he's a setpiece for toxic males this doesn't happen.

[@Syobla]

"It's like the show is a safespace so the characters never face any real conflict." I couldn't say it better ! That's, for me at least, the biggest turn off when I get into a fictionnal story. Very unfortunately, golden people like you, who take time to write contructive criticism won't be heard by the author, who just block everyone that don't completely love the show unconditionally.

[@laughingkitsune]

It maybe a shocker but honestly just don't like anyone in this show, including Snapdragon due to more of the actions of the characters themselves, is either dumb or animalistic with their apparent voices of reasoning just sounding like excuses.. maybe because I was grown up as a "hard ass" but there are a lot of holes that make the scenes become none sense. For example: When Young Snapdragon was running away from his older brother with his rabbit. Why was he running away from him? Was his brother going to kill the rabbit? Was his brother just teasing with Snap and don't know any better ? Where was the father beforehand ? Was Snap going run to his father (what a normal kid would do) from this ? Why didn't Snap just push his brother away (is literally the least violent thing you could do in this situation)? At that point is basically everyone's fault that Snap has some childhood trauma from being feminine which I don't like and having Cale as a tool, a massive prick to be used for getting Snap over the edge to violence so he can talk about his issues is just scummy towards the writers, once is fine but twice, especiallysince Snap would know ahead of time to tell the professor if he can change boats but apparently did not too ??? Why can't any of this be natural at all ????

[@TitanXecutor]

Because naturalism doesn't compute with the people who made this

[@genzhours9466]

I know he's supposed to be unlikable, but he kinda just came off as a socially awkward himbo to me

[@fliesinthesugarbowlshooflyshoo]

Aaster is like, more likable than all of the main characters combined

[@FourDozenEggs]

These writers are the kind of people who think any kind of masculinity is toxic.

[@MXALOVE]

Imagine a story where the creators hate all men and being a male voice actor on sed show.

[@aibadenshi]

Whoever designed the training course, doesn't know how to design an actual training course. Like the first course is freaking crushing machine.

[@romariohenry400]

Yeah it's that really popular training where one screw up means death

[@starwarzchik112]

5:02 The motion of the boat should create wind, but neither character’s hair is moving.

[@littlebum8413]

Aster seems nice lmao

[@nesmario123]

you shouldn't have cut out the snapdragon father scene, he's based as hell

[@toto.dreamer]

Love how parsley casually breaks aspen’s foot and his dad is just like ‘lmao wtf son’

[@meridaskywalker7816]

He's not his dad, he's a teacher. Which doesn't make the situation any better.

[@guygadbois3010]

Why don't they just make them choke down some of that transition potion and live as a woman for a month as an 'object lesson'? That trans-potion idea is under-appreciated for how self-defeating it is to the show's agenda. Btw, does this show remind you of the 1980s 'Dungeons & Dragons' cartoon?

[@sandwichmonster7067]

Wouldn’t be the first time the incompetent and irresponsible teachers at this academy would magically transform their students against their will Would rather watch all 3 seasons of the D&D cartoon than 3 episodes of this crap

[@jonquilgemstone]

Lol, it would actually have been cool to see an episode where all the students are gender-swapped. Then they'd learn to appreciate the way they were but also empathize with the opposite sex. It could have done wonders for helping cure Sage's misandry, as well as Cal's misogyny. It could have also led to Snap either embracing his femboy side, or questioning whether he felt more comfortable as a male or a female.

[@guygadbois3010]

@@jonquilgemstone That's just it, if such a potion was available people would do it all the time, particularly in medieval-ish fantasy settings like in the show. For example, during war time, you'd transition females to males who have better muscle mass for fighting. During times of starvation, you'd transition males to female because females require fewer calories. If you thought a male/female body benefitted you in other ways, like for your job, you'd use it there too. Plus, they have shapeshifters in the show, which makes wearing a different body than yours at birth even more mundane. Like so much of the show, they really didn't think it through.

[@MustacheDLuffy]

@@guygadbois3010 the whole idea of the potion was to just show that it was easier to transition and it didn’t need to be met with harsh criticism. If there was a potion that made females as strong as men it could be effective in a show that tries to prove women to be more capable than men. It’s not that easy to transition in real life and because the show tries to push a real world agenda is it not that easy or usable in the show. That’s why the purple guy freaks out when snapdragon is a mermaid because guys can’t effectively change their genders in the real world and not the show

[@xenrusxenomorph2268]

@@MustacheDLuffy Though I would say that the reason people keep rewriting and seeing these characters in a different light is because they are effectively... Highschoolers. Highschoolers are toxic, mean, abusive, and their hormones are out of control. The Purple haired guy is definitely someone who thinks that and has probably been raised to think "Men are men, Women are women, Men aren't pretty, women are, Get a girl, you gotta get a girl. Be a ladies man." All of those in repeated succession are toxic ideas. And him not being able to handle a feminine man is proof that his upbringing and his homelife didn't prepare him for a bigger city. and he might even be spoiled too. But they don't learn a lesson, they can't be used to make the other characters learn a lesson either. ITs just "Look this man is bad he is bad he is very bad because he is a man and all STRAIGHT men are assholes." Snap dragon, An effeminette teenager, and someone more in tune with his emotions... Is to become a transgender female because "Real men aren't in touch with their feelings. You're different from other men because you have feelings. You can't relate to a girl because you don't have the same chromosomes. So why not become a girl" is basically his character arch to boot. Also to answer the initial question of the potion.. Just make it not a plot point of a magic potion, make it more dangerous and needing to be handled by a professional or even talk to people about how their are dangerous but nessesary options that The headmaster needed to undergo for the sake of him needing to be the gender he needs to be. The potion is a quick solution but undermines the core aspects of the plight those in transition and those associated with being trans go through. There is soo much more involved. and the show washes it away with a potion. I am not trans nor do I speak for trans people. this is just something I have collected from different comments and videos.

[@ari1758]

Aster doesn’t seem toxic, I love him, he’s the only character besides Amaryllis and Slime boy who made me laugh

[@MacenW]

So because they didn't know how to write Good Man characters, they decided to make most of the men either stupid or rude, like those are men's traits And 3:19 what a prick! He had no bad intentions

[@taratih]

I hate these people so much oh my god

[@gregwilliams4926]

Imagine applying to be a voice actor and you were only made to voice act a toxic man while the whole cast shits all over you. Was it worth being humiliated?

[@malemuffin64]

Its prozd so i think he enjoys that

[@pomarril2718]

can’t get over the title lmfao 😭 the fact that there’s enough content in this show to make a “toxic masculinity compilation” in the first place

[@Solanin0803]

Amaryllis, the axe wielding maniac, bursting through the labyrinth wall always makes me laugh

[@WideMouth]

“Toxic masculinity” is an oxymoron. Masculinity is a positive trait; so if someone is acting toxic, then they aren’t masculine.

[@Love-yp2fj]

That are some traits associated with traditional masculinity that are toxic and lead to negative outcomes. For example crying and being touch with one’s feelings is seen as a feminine thing

[@xiuhcoatl4830]

Don't try to be logical here, these people truly believe in the "toxic masculinity" crap

[@ragingnoob3603]

@@Love-yp2fj people who created the term toxic masculinity are people who watched to any rom coms, and can't fathom that maybe, just maybe, men are in touch with their feelings but have different ways of expressing them then women?

[@yusramalik6943]

@@ragingnoob3603 Nah dude, men just aren't allowed to be in touch with their feelings, or at least it's not socially accepted. That's the reason why male suicide rates are so high, they don't have a different way of expressing emotions, they just don't do it because being emotional has always been associated with women. Toxic masculinity is a real thing that harms men all over the world. Denying it's existence is basically saying you are okay with men falling into depression and ending their own lives all because you can't accept that masculinity has its negative traits

[@joewilenzik9119]

I want to thank this show. It made the Steven Universe hatedom apologize to Rebecca Sugar.

[@romariohenry400]

True At least the male characters weren't like these. Steven is awesome and Lars has his moments

[@r.achel044]

0:22 rosemary is cheating, clearly she's flying here

[@danielpadilla7601]

I'm having trouble seeing the connection between the behaviour of both characters', and their gender... They just seem to me like textbook narcissists.

[@kai8618]

Why is Snapdragon sitting like that? He looks so cute 🥺

[@dragonhearthx8369]

Also guys don't sit like that because of biology.

[@copy-rightedname]

@@dragonhearthx8369 just shows that this show has no male writers

[@malemuffin64]

He troons out at the end

[@simple-commentator-not-rea7345]

Can't imagine how confused the male voice actors must have felt