Toyota figured out why their new turbo V6 is grenading itself.

[@chandlerbraaten847]

This is why my grandpa always said "never buy the first few years of a new vehicle, regardless of who makes it. Let everyone else find the weak points". 😂

[@michaeldbhawker3556]

Exactly. They will fix the issues. Takes time

[@MaticTheProto]

Honestly? Not the worst advice

[@brandonroeder2461]

Not bad advice, but this isn't a design problem so much as a manufacturing problem. They can't design an engine to withstand random amounts of randomly sized debris in random places throughout your engine block. 😂

[@chandlerbraaten847]

@@brandonroeder2461 but its still a problem. And since I didn't run out and buy a tundra I don't have to deal with it. Thats the point. Its not limited to design flaws but also manufacturing processes.

[@brandonroeder2461]

@@chandlerbraaten847 what you're talking about has to do with new designs, not manufacturing processes that have been used for decades.

[@benredacted8468]

Imagine a 70,000 dollar truck grenading on the highway and not one tow hook😂😂😂

[@jhardwood6960]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 don’t get all them FAN GIRLS upset😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@OhPhuckYou]

Yet those Toyota Cultists will whine and complain about every other car. It's amazing how often I'm told how unreliable my Fords are when they give me zero issues. Including a 04 Expedition with 338K. That old girl would start and run like a top every single day with ice cold factory AC, and she looked good while doing it.

[@full---movie]

I noticed they have no recoveey hooks. And the entire front end is plastic. Toyota is so f*ckin gay, but you soy beards that love them.

[@ButterfatFarms]

If you're going to tow your new truck back to the dealer with the help of your redneck buddy using his pickup truck I guess that might matter? 😂

[@ButterfatFarms]

Comment might make more sense if you were lamenting grenading your truck off-highway...

[@ZomB940]

GM would just shrug their shoulders and stick more plastic on the engine.

[@cars654]

?? This is about Toyota not GM ! My Chevy has 200 k and runs great ! Suck on that fanboy for Toyota !

[@HenrikHolmesson]

​@@cars654​You can count Toyota's massive failures on one hand. GM's are innumerable. For every one GM product that makes it to 200k miles, there are a hundred Toyotas that have made it past the 400k mile mark. My work vehicle is an '04 Tahoe with 310k on the original engine and transmission. It's definitely one of GM's most reliable models... but it's still a giant piece of sh*t, and I'd still much rather have to rely on a Toyota product. Toyotas, overall, are superior to GM vehicles by just about every conceivable metric.

[@acmekanik9135]

@@HenrikHolmesson Had my groceries delivered by this chick in a yukon. She couldnt leave because her shifter linkage fell apart in my driveway....lol. Go GM

[@HenrikHolmesson]

@@acmekanik9135 That's literally the most GM thing I've heard so far this year lol

[@mikehoncho3099]

​@@HenrikHolmessonhave 2 friends that have newer Silverados one just had the engine replaced and the other a transmission both only had less than 70k miles and my cousin had a newer Yukon with the same drive train with 60k I told her to get rid of it before it costs her money

[@flipptom]

“Machining debris” you mean, that’s where the 10mm sockets have been going.

[@toddsmith1617]

😂

[@paulfeasal6024]

It's not machining debrees. It's probably the connecting rod bearing design. They are known to go out faster with turbos. Ford had the same issues when changing the 2.0 to a 2.0 Ecoboost. Ford still has issues with them not making it to warranty. The 1.5's and lower L iter engines all had this issue with Ford and many other issues. The 3.5 from Toyota also has fuel rail and transmission issues they will need to fix. If they ain't careful they will be right up with Ford in recalls amd spending 2 billion a year because they are crap.

[@kennethbyington516]

Doesn't make sense. They're isn't anything on the block when that work gets done. They get cleaned in different baths. Machining debris is like what you get trying to port a head while its on. I dunno. Doesn't make sense to me.

[@kennethbyington516]

​@paulfeasal6024 This seems no different than alot of customers in numerous markets. Trying to cheap out on the important stuff that probably wouldn't have cost that much more to just do right in the first place. Spend a Billion to save 100k. 😂

[@paulfeasal6024]

@@flipptom I will believe the 10mm socket thing over the machine debris.

[@jordancapps9521]

Now we can say that Toyota is a true American manufacturer, since they unlocked the "build a truck that grenades itself in under 10k miles" achievement.

[@clapclapscream]

No because they actually stand behind their product and do recalls

[@IKhanNot]

@@clapclapscream Right now they are finding every excuse not to take in a truck that has a grenaded engine. Toyota dropped the ball hard on this both during manufacturing and after sale care.

[@mikeo8869]

At least the door didn’t fly off When they were drive to the supermarket 😂

[@jerryjeromehawkins1712]

Traded in a lemon Tacoma... (we called it the Lemona 🍋) for an F150 5.0. This F150 is at 89k with zero issues since new. That Tacoma proved to me how far Toyota will go to NOT acknowledge a problem. Getting them to stand behind their warranty was an absolute struggle. Someone once said Toyota is Japanese for "Class Action Lawsuit... so true. All those rusted out frames Toyota had to replace years ago? Toyota finally stepped up to the plate after multiple class action lawsuits. People act like Toyota cares about them... lol, what a joke. Toyota just moved their Tacoma production to Mexico... yet they are asking even MORE for the truck while the consumer is getting LESS. Stop acting like the people who think Subaru is all about peace and love ✌🏾... these are companies trying to make the largest profit possible. 😅

[@jerryjeromehawkins1712]

​@@IKhanNotExactly. 🎯

[@stephendufresne9239]

The sound of screaming in Japanese must’ve been epic.

[@jcnunny]

Hope the V8 comes back before harakiri does.

[@mikemccarthy6939]

Yea ok

[@rustyshackleford3320]

It's say 2 replies, yet I see 0. Must been 2 honest

[@jcnunny]

@@rustyshackleford3320 can you translate that to something comprehensible?

[@TellURide447]

Lol

[@Rezin_8]

Air chuck on assembly line.....5$ Recall....priceless 😂

[@IDJMK]

I’m saying, what a lazy way to blow up a motor

[@WillSwingem]

Same thing that happened to Kia

[@RailRoad188]

Would an air chuck move that large of parts out of the way?! Or is that a picture of the parts damaged by "machining debris"

[@C0braChicken2]

@@WillSwingem KIA was full of crap, we had one that had never missed an oil change, and at 50k miles, it was burning a full quart between oil changes. They also sent us a letter that said the manual had a "misprint" on how often the oil should be changed.. We traded that POS in for a Honda, before the news got out they were all going to blow up.

[@GuitarHeroPhenomSux]

I work in assembly and you'd be surprised how often we'd have down time or have to remake "finished" production due to either something as simple as a faulty tool on one job (out of over a hundred jobs), or because management is trying to speed up production by bypassing steps & processes. Even after they're repeatedly warned by experienced technicians, they will ignore the inevitable problem, hoping that it occurs on another shift's watch. Then, when it finally fails and we are down for hours, they do whatever it takes to get back running (i.e. not "fixing" the problem, just getting us running again). It's like getting multiple leaks in your roof and you keep putting buckets around to catch the drips instead of fixing the roof.

[@whatever_12]

The worst part is their warranty strategies on this.. Your mechanic need to strip the engine down to remove and send the problematic part. idk about most people but i don't want my under 20k engine to be rebuilt, without mentioning the skill of your mechanic will greatly influence the reability of your new truck for years now

[@tonycj7860]

Not only that, but imagine the time it is going to take for the labor. And if with the number of vehicles affected, imagine the wait time on parts. On top of the backlog of other vehicles that are ahead of you for the same exact issue. You could be waiting MONTHS.

[@skiterzzz4474]

@@tonycj7860probably around 3 days per vehicle it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to clean an oil pan and replace the main seals it’s getting into it which makes it hard

[@tonycj7860]

@@skiterzzz4474 Right. But are the parts on hand? Or is there a wait on them? Are you the 1st in line? Or how many other vehicles ahead of you?

[@cars654]

Most Tundra's old or new you have to remove the cab to remove the engine. Of course its not a problem with older Tundra's as their engines were pretty much bullet proof. But they have a serious problem with the turbo engines. Some Toyota dealer mechanics are quitting because of the increased work load repairing these defective engines. They will not have a problem finding a new job, good mechanics are in short supply !

[@trekkeruss]

For warranty work, you can imagine that the dealership will give that to the lowest ranking mechanic to work on.

[@airborneJC507]

Put that v8 back in it!

[@franksmythe6969]

The size of the engine and number of cylinders has nothing to do with it. It was Machining debris and it could have happened to any engine.

[@x0xCRUSHERx0x]

Same shit with the kia motors. Mine was just replaced at 117k for the same reason! Good motor design but theyre too busy with quantity over quality and hipe most people arent frugal and make them hold thier end of the deal when the rod bearing goes due to oil starvation!​@franksmythe6969

[@Lancer_0010]

@@franksmythe6969 okay. Still, put the V8 back in it

[@franksmythe6969]

@@Lancer_0010 Why? Do you enjoy getting worse fuel economy with less power? That seems odd.

[@Tecate250r-hf9ks]

@@franksmythe6969 I’d rather have my truck spend more time at the pump then in the shop

[@nubiasantiago8982]

As a Toyota tech. It’s way more than 100k. Thats just 22-33 models. 2024 are also coming in blown up

[@03protegeES]

What are you thoughts on it only applying to the non-hybrid models? I'm thinking those would have the same issue they just didn't hit the recall due to not losing all power because of the hybrid motor.

[@northerntoyota7584]

@@03protegeESthe hybrids aren’t included because the electric motor can get you to safety if the engine fails. Recalls are forced because of safety.

[@Lakeman3211]

22-23 models yes?

[@AtZero138]

Remember.. in the Movie FIGHT CLUB, when he's explaining, Law Suit ratio vs Death or injury, if it's worth doing a official Recall.. Once they have agreed to bite the bullet and declare a Recall is needed.. like the Dude (Technician) said it's a higher number..

[@SolamenteVees]

Wait, you mean to tell me Toyota knows more about their own product than a KZbinr?

[@malcolmar]

Looks like having an oil change right after or even before you drive your new car right off the lot is not a bad thing.

[@joeg5414]

Interesting. I just got a notice that my Tacoma for work has a recall for machining debris possibly left in the axel

[@trdpro2grfks]

No you didn’t. Welding debris left on the end of the axle housings. Moron.

[@SenorSpielbergo-id7xe]

So, a company that has been building reliable engines for longer than I have been alive, suddenly forgets how to properly clean a block after the casting process. This is why you NEVER believe the official story.

[@LewisTheFly888]

So true. Head shaking stuff. That machining BS is unbelievable. It’s a basic. What? Making engines in Bangladesh now?

[@Keefer24]

Made in Mexico lol

[@col.cottonhill6655]

DEI hires

[@Dogpool]

@@LewisTheFly888I like watching videos of people in places like Pakistan machining stuff on the side of the street with a dirt floor and strategically bent bit of metal to substitute as measuring calipers. Maybe that’s where the engines are getting done now

[@alexgrindnshine2522]

Toyota engines commonly have a lot of issue when first released. Their engines become reliable over time with more refinement.

[@stephenfazekas5054]

So for those who dont know, blocks are cast in sand and often with styrofoam acting as a part of the mold as well. Once cast they cool down get the sand bits vibrated off and some simple cleaning, then on to machining where the parts like bearings and all the threaded holes are machined in, this leaves tons of chips and some sand from casting. They use to blast cleaning solution through every passage something that took a few min per block to hook up and run through the giant dishwasher. Accountants saw this as a labor intensive step and decided just to toss them in the industrial dishwasher without directly cleaning the oil and coolant passages. This is what cause all those kia engines to blow up. And now toyota of all companies are doing that toxic cheap trait

[@theworldisastage1984]

Sure thing buddy. You love to defend the official narrative

[@Luggruff]

The irony in this situation is quite striking given Toyota's history with the Toyota Production System (TPS). TPS is renowned for its emphasis on quality, continuous improvement, and the elimination of waste. It’s ironic that a company which pioneered such meticulous standards in manufacturing is now facing issues due to cost-cutting measures that directly contradict those principles. The decision to skip a critical cleaning step to save labor costs leading to significant quality failures, is a big departure from the core values that made Toyota a benchmark in the industry.

[@samwich539]

ITS ALWAYS THE FUCKIN BEAN COUNTERS

[@Professor-Scientist]

@@samwich539they rule the world

[@cwj2733]

@@theworldisastage1984then what is the real narrative if u don’t mind me asking?

[@dilligafmofoker]

I call bs on blaming debris instead of a bad design of the block itself.

[@charleswesesky747]

Whether it's debris or not it's still bad design. Design goes beyond just the physical product that's made, but also the processes and procedures used to make them. If their process created debris that was still in the engine after it was complete, that's poor design.

[@fernarias]

The reason why there is machine debris is because toyota started to use less water and less solvents to clean the engines before assembly. It was more green, lol.

[@dogg92]

I love this. Now if every V6 truck engine could just start grenading itself we could all go back to those sweet V8s. Other manufacturers, take notes!

[@Junglelove20mm]

5.7L for life🎉

[@williamkunte5361]

Even 4.6! Much better ergonomically.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

1GR-FE for life

[@franksmythe6969]

The size of the engine and number of cylinders has nothing to do with it. It was machining debris, and it could have happened to any engine.

[@yeyis05]

EV for life 🌱 🍃 🌲

[@icosthop9998]

Yes

[@thereissomecoolstuff]

I wasn’t sure how that Boeing/Toyota partnership was going to go.

[@gtmaniacmda]

imagine being stranded on the side of the road because your new Toyota's engine blew up just for the emergency exit door of a Boeing 737 MAX to come crashing down and hit your car

[@AR-tl5cd]

😂😂 well played!

[@seriouscat2231]

Your Toyota too will have doors that randomly fall off.

[@onlymans165]

At least Toyota listens to feedback

[@TheAnkit211]

Not anymore .. their dealers are more crooks than Toyota itself. If you bring your car for an issue, they will say "its totally normal," to get you going until the warranty runs out !! My brother Rav4 had a battery draining issue due to their faulty DCM software that was not cutting off the power after turning it off the engine. He took it 1st time last year .. it was normal for them while under the warranty.. Last month, when he ran out from the warranty ... with degraded battery .They said they have to upgrade dcm software and quoted him for $280 for ten minutes of work.

[@Mike.The.Jeweler]

They dont, they listen to bad media coverage. Thats why this wasnt adressed until it got traction on the internet even though the trucks have been blowing themselves up for a year already.

[@oldschoolzone5711]

Did they when their cars were accelerating uncontrollably, or did they blame the Victims of their poor engineering??

[@user-sw8vb2qo8y]

Are you saying V6 is coming back to Camry? I don't think so.

[@jayd8547]

@@user-sw8vb2qo8y I came here JUST to say this… better yet, an AWD V6… I’d go back into debt to get one, LOL!

[@johnwang9914]

Remember when Toyota moved the engine manufactururing fir the Corolla to the US during the mid 2000's and wound up with unreliable engines due to a lack of precision with the ports, they addressed the priblem by enlarging the ports. Seems that whenever they have engine manufacturing outside of Japan, they have to redesign their engine to be more tolerant of poor quality in the manufacturing. I guess simple training the workers from countries outside of Japan isn't enough to convince the workers that quality matters.

[@ThinkingCrimson]

Moral of the story: double, triple, quadruple check your engines.

[@Brukner841]

happens to the best of 'em

[@jesusisking8502]

@@Brukner841 Modern day junk. The T-Model ford is still running today.

[@Brukner841]

@@jesusisking8502 it's encumbered by too many requirements and restrictions while having to produce about the same power as 100 of the primitive model T engines.

[@brucedeleskey8540]

The more you spend today the more problems you have 15years ago you spent less than half and had. No problems

[@leisuresuitlaz1710]

@ThinkingCrimson or just switch to newer technology and switch to an EV magnetic engine that has no friction and has more torque, and save money on bs fuel prices going up, lol

[@2down4up]

I’ve been an automotive technician for over 21 years. I work for a luxury European brand. A few years ago we started having machining debris issues, causing engine damage. In fact we still are dealing with it, though now it’s causing cooling system issues. I have it on very good authority, that other manufacturers have been dealing with this issue as well. In fact this is the first I’ve heard of the issue with Toyota and before you even stated what it was I was thinking to myself “machining debris.” I’ve heard the reason this all started and why it’s affecting multiple brands is because of new environmental rules/laws that pushed auto makers to conserve water and reduce harsh chemical usage. This resulted in reduced and or less effective cleaning after the machining processes. Don’t get me wrong, the new law is a noble goal, but until this issue gets sorted, I’m quite positive that all the failing engines, clogged cooling systems, and other unintended consequences are likely doing far more harm to the environment then the old way was. Assuming they can get this cleaning/flushing debris removal issue solved while still conserving water and reducing chemicals, then that’s good. I hope they can do that, but if my brand is any indicator, I ain’t gonna hold my breath.

[@jeffwever6033]

Another perfect example of right idea, wrong result.

[@stuckinmygarage6220]

Pencil pushers vs. Wrenchers.

[@jjc4577]

What? Unintended consequences for a decision that is supposed to be a feel good, yet superfluous act? That's never happened before. well, I'm just shocked!

[@SebaztienHawke-ci5hm]

Manufacturers should just ignore them and do what works

[@billyounger9713]

This is a direct result of government interference, forcing manufacturers to rush into new designs and technology before they are ready!! We all just sit back and let the government tell us what to purchase with our hard earned money!! Since when was this ever a good idea! Too much government....butt out!! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦

[@Username9182736451]

I know several guys who have been in the hot seat trying to get a million dollar engine block cleaning machine to work right (I live in Michigan). The struggle is real. More of a problem with heavy duty trucks honestly though.

[@ultrahd3388]

We need to make Toyota great again!

[@Lauterbach24]

Sure am glad I kept both of my 5.7 V8 Tundras.

[@doomslayerforever2858]

my dads is rusting the fk out. well the engine looks great the frame and stuff all rusted out 2008.

[@Dmx284]

​@@doomslayerforever28582008😂 bro it's made of steel and iron not vibranium.

[@northcarolina263]

Yeah, 2013 is the newest I would ever go. My 07’ 5.7 scsb is holding up very well, rust is creeping up on it but it’s at a preventative level still.

[@aktionp20]

​@@Dmx284 And my 02 mustang and 92 talon have next to no rust. So 08 shouldn't have much either.

[@Dmx284]

@@aktionp20 could be you guys maintained and took care of it well.

[@zachgregory1289]

Don’t think it’s debris in the engine. It kills the same bearing on all the engines. It’s a bad batch of bearings or flawed main bearing caps/design.

[@aprescoups4593]

Same. I don’t think they want to admit it was a bearing issue

[@herlegz6969]

Always the exact same bearing fails? It could be debris that is occurring on a specific drill path leading to this bearing. Some drill/CNC/port not getting properly flushed or worse keeping debris in that port/spot. Manufacturing has so many details that can get missed when whipping by MBA coin changers going on.

[@floorpizza8074]

Yeah, whoever thought it was a good idea to mass manufacture a bearing with tolerances so tight it requires 0w-20 oil???

[@markmaker2488]

And engines from two different plants have the same machining debris issues. I call bs

[@NigelTolley]

The engines are identical, from different CNC machines in different plants. The flaw is therefore identical across every engine. Why you have to see a conspiracy in everything, I don't know.

[@Mark-vd8oi]

THEY WENT FROM WINING RACES TO THIS

[@JS_Precision]

Good on Toyota for recalling and fixing it. If Apple built this engine they would find a loophole so it wasn't covered by the warranty and screw you over.

[@farmcat3198]

I added a small plastic privacy slider to the camera on my Macbook screen. Adding that 5-cent part resulted in $700 worth of screen damage. (Close the clamshell, and the screen busts). That's not reasonable. Apple won't cover it.

[@debratakahara2494]

At least Toyota claims this is what’s causing the issue. I’ve read about 2024 models experiencing the same problem so expect this recall will expand. Toyotas quality as of late has been disappointing.

[@ifihadsmesumchicken6276]

because the workers are tired of being slaves.

[@lrobie123]

Covid ruined them

[@AJ-ox9xj]

You need to buy their models built in Japan. American built quality vehicles are bad no matter the brand. Japan is stricter with quality control.

[@alexturnbackthearmy1907]

@@AJ-ox9xj Yeah, american "quality" is truly legendary by now.

[@ericwright6672]

They better get it right again or people will be dropping them altogether like hot potatoes!

[@jackjones9460]

This is a great video to send my X in answer to her suggestion “Why don’t you just go buy a new vehicle instead of fixing your old cars?” New cars have their own problems which prevent them becoming old cars!

[@kylesonsalla7620]

Cheaper too

[@Leviperlman]

You sound like an enthusiast. Is enthusiasts buy new if we have the money

[@KeithOlson]

Why buy new when you can install an Edison Motors HEV pickup upgrade kit--AWD, of course!--into a 1972 Ford F100 with a solid body but a worn-out drivetrain and have something beautiful that can pull anything.

[@CodyRayDees513]

Couldn’t of said it better. My 2006 4Runner has the 4.7 and 340,000 miles and runs like new.

[@DaaClaptain]

imagine caring enough about your ex that you need to go justify your hobbies to her.

[@johngaither9263]

The failure has been reported in engines made in Japan and in the USA. That means it's a procedural error during engine assembly that has been followed by engine assembly workers in both countries and is not quality related. Toyota has identified the problem and corrected it in their assembly lines. They have recognized the problem rather than try to conceal it and are recalling those vehicles that might suffer from it. Sounds like responsible corporate behavior to me.

[@Dirty-D]

Am so glad I have my 2uzfe in my gx470. 320000 miles and it runs perfect.

[@peterdaniel66]

That excuse by Toyota is the biggest bullshit I’ve ever heard. It’s a poor design. And the story.

[@sm65-wj2bc]

Yep

[@seanb9698]

I think you mean end of story lol

[@slabbusterrtr7690]

Making a V6 do the work of a V8 what I mean making same route and HP as a V8 alot of stress on the V6 that's why they failing it high RPM making that kinda power from a V6 comes at a cost in the long run

[@albapantheratigris6071]

​@@slabbusterrtr7690Literally the basics of turboing any car. Unfortunately its a 360 win for manufactures and government. Car gets better emissions, better performance and dies quicker so they can get you paying that car note more.

[@randallsmerna384]

* End

[@RichieRichpobutproud]

Didn’t have this problem with the old 5.7. Time to get back to basics.

[@richardcranium3579]

4.6 all day

[@chadhaire1711]

Japan didn't have this V-6 issues until made in USA

[@Juho-uf8si]

there is alot everything else that old rust bucket didnt have XD

[@br9760]

The engine is fine. Whoever was in charge of machining screwed up BAD.

[@97Crazysteve]

That 5.7 was recalled quite a bit when it was new too. Folks got real short memories.

[@newunderthesun7353]

It's a great truck, I've owned six over the last 27 years and this is my favorite. If they fix the issue on recall I'm fine, I'm not going to worry about it. Fantastic truck.

[@DonBMW]

I quickly bought a 2021 Highlander before the engine redesign to the 4Cyl turbo. The NA V6 runs beautifully without issue.

[@AcmeRacing]

This reminds me of a problem Isuzu had with the mid 1980s Trooper II. Cylinder heads were failing because machining debris was blocking oil channels.

[@fkoffytb]

yep, at that time the coolant systems for the machining where not even close to what we have now, this story about debirs is total BS, is a design problem in combination with going cheap on the sand molds.

[@getxzootedimo9992]

​@@fkoffytbI agree 200%, the machining is exactly what they said about the early Kia/Hyundai engine replacements which was finally told wasn't true

[@shawnlemmond1010]

Kia and Hyundai said the same thing about their 2.4 liter engines that were coming in with the #3 rod sticking out the side of them. It eventually ended up as a recall and that was their official story was “machining debris” which had wiped out that particular bearing. Nobody at the dealers that had taken one of those engines apart believed that.

[@CSMSteel7]

Don’t spread misinformation. Early on, we had to disassemble and inspect for a cause before the recall was launched. Definitely debris from the U.S. manufacturing facility that did not properly flush the block and oil galleries.

[@lrich8181]

Kia and Hyundai are replacing the entire engines...not rebuilding them.

[@CSMSteel7]

@@lrich8181 Correct. Only very early on did the district service reps require a teardown. Initially it was a short block and balancer assembly replacement, but it just became a long block replacement later.

[@DeepakKumar-lv4te]

@@lrich8181 That's because no one can rebuild those engines, they're trash. go and ask an engine builder if they will rebuild a kia/hyundai engine - if they say yes it's because they have no work, but they know the rebuild will fail.

[@zenkiz33]

We still get a ton of K5s with blown engines too. If the problem was debris why isn't it fixed?

[@warhawk83]

Once Toyota replaced the Tacoma's 3.4L 5VZ-FE Engine that had a Cast Iron Block with these new Aluminum 3.5L engines, I was done. My old truck was literally bulletproof and never had an issue even after 3 hurricanes. Now Toyota and their infinite wisdom put a V6 in the Tundra and is no longer making the V8. Now I am completely done.

[@colddiamondz8642]

FOD is always a gift that keeps on giving!

[@Itrieditathome889]

Nice work Toyota ,pulled that right out of the Hyundai playbook. 😅

[@Jonathan_Doe_]

Fortunately they’ve caught it at 100k potentially affected vehicles… Instead of burying their heads in the sand until it was over a million like Hyundai/Kia.

[@dominicg2456]

@@Jonathan_Doe_ You're forgetting that those vehicles made by Hyundai/Kia had this issue, but the machinging debris was much smaller than in Toyotas, which is why the Hyundai/Kia engines were blowing up much much later in life, after many vehicles had already been produced. TL;DR: Toyota is addressing it now because the engine failures are happening now. Hyundai/Kia addressed it late because the engine failures started happening late.

[@hacklaurent9412]

​@dominicg2456 people don't seem to understand how recalls work, and don't understand engines for mass produced cars are not hand built so things will be missed. Which is different from a design flaw

[@user-qq7of6ct7t]

I had a Hyundai that came out of the Alabama plant by Montgomery when they had those Honduran kids working and the engines from that plant had metal shavings in the engine clogging oil lines and the engine blew because of it and they were supposed to replace the engine but fought me about it

[@BA-gn3qb]

Ford and GM would blame the customers and hold off any recalls until the Federal Government gets involved.

[@Falcon-mc5fs]

Toyota did that too

[@jacksmack6956]

Toyota meat rider ignoring what Toyota has done.

[@solvend]

Toyota limited it to under 100k knowing they'll extend that to early to late made 23s as well. Toyota held back to make it seem less of a problem than it really is

[@MELOMEOUT]

Have you bought a toyota recently, when you make any warranty claim, they retake days to approve it, and act like it's never happened, worst ever.😂

[@OhPhuckYou]

Cope harder.

[@citizen_or_civilian]

Love how the media barely covers actual recalls from major OEMs, but Tesla releases a software update and they lose their minds. lol

[@chasingred8351]

It’s not Tesla they hate, it’s Elon for what he does in his personal life and “X” 😂

[@citizen_or_civilian]

@@chasingred8351 No, they hate him and his companies.

[@RailRoad188]

Who cares about X, he is a censorship machine too, just different perameter, scumbag is a con man.

[@greatdaneacdc]

Hopefully Toyota will straighten out the problems withthenew ones I’ve had lots of success with Toyotas Just got a 1985 Toyota 2.4 Diesel pickup with 93 thousand kilometres is awake again after 8 years storage rest . Runs like a charm .

[@markf8256]

Debris in the engine makes no sense since the affected engines are produced in Japan and the US (Alabama). The bearing assembly in question is made by the same manufacturer and sold to both of the assembly plants. The question is whether it’s a bad batch or a bad design.

[@hermanpeters549]

Not in hybrid models so could be just a bad batch

[@Walterrinho]

I have heard that the blocks are made in the same place, basically it was a machining debries that didnt get cleaned.

[@frankmoreno730]

Bad design

[@VroodenTheGreat]

@@hermanpeters549 Are you suggesting they hybrid models don't have the same engine in them?

[@Walterrinho]

@@VroodenTheGreat the recall says that those hybrid models have different pressure on the bearings for some reason, and also have electric power in case of a engine stall/stop.

[@JamesReedy]

Ahh machining debris. My Tacoma has a recall for, “welding slag” that can cause axle separation and apparently an airbag clock-spring issue as well. I also discovered the bed is shifted like 1/2” to one side of the cab. Didn’t notice until I saw my RTT wasn’t centered despite knowing I centered the fuck out of it. Also mag props to Tinkerers Adventure, from one engineer (electrical tho) to another that guy is legit.

[@sargeinamerica]

Toyota has had a few problems like all manufacturers however they have done a fairly good job of correcting it. Sometimes going beyond. My 1997 Tacoma failed the frame test back in 2007 and they made it right for me. Still love my 2016 Tacoma.

[@Planner38]

I am glad that I drive a 2021 Tundra with the trusted, faithful 5.7.

[@vegasxventures]

The Toyota reliability huh? Don’t get me wrong because historically yes… but the fan boys are insufferable.

[@jimbojim-pe5oj]

If a bmw ain’t leaking, it’s bc it doesn’t have oil

[@jeanclaude7018]

Titan sounds like a far better bet.

[@mten1454]

4.6 and 5.7 weren’t without issues early in their life-cycle either. Chill out

[@VroodenTheGreat]

@@mten1454 You tell him to chill out, but you are agreeing with him that these engines aren't reliable. Make it make sense.

[@mten1454]

@@VroodenTheGreat I never said they were or weren’t great, you’re putting words in my mouth. Tf? Your response makes no sense. We’re obsessed with shitting on this engine and lauding the 4.6 and 5.7 when in reality they also had issues early on. Make that make sense.

[@maximusvonce1381]

V8 is greatest motor ever built in human history

[@firstname6208]

Just had the rear axel recall done. Exact same issue, machining debris between the axel face and wheel flange.

[@supaxlvztr]

Took you a long as time to say that in a KZbin short. I didn’t realize how long a person had on a short until you, man.

[@hellsfrozeover85]

I have the Sequoia with the iForce 5.7 V8. I talked to a guy who had traded his in almost a year ago, for the new model with the V6tt. He said it is great for reducing gasoline expense in low speed and low weight situations; however towing his dump trailer, camper, or boat take more fuel than the V8 did. He said highway speeds (65ish) gave about the same mileage as the V8. He wanted his old one back. 😂

[@ChrisRobato]

Metal filings on oil means the engine is junked and needs to be replaced.

[@bluesky-ud9wg]

All of it, long block, turbos, etc, any port oil flows...

[@justinstewart3248]

Or we can just not drive combustion cars for much longer. Too many moving parts and too much maintenance.

[@bluesky-ud9wg]

@@justinstewart3248 That will never happen. Oil runs the planet

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

@@justinstewart3248please go drive the battery cars and leave us alone

[@AntilleanConfederation]

@@justinstewart3248😂😂 🫵🏼🤡

[@getxzootedimo9992]

The Rod Bearing Compression Test is EXACTLY why hundreds of thousands of Kias and Hyundais have had engines replaced over time. And the "machining inside" was the exact reason they initially gave as well

[@--_DJ_--]

That damn Frenchman causes so much trouble.

[@dbblues.9168]

"It's not for the reason that you think"... I have put zero thought into this and have no thoughts on the matter.

[@rumoara]

We are united 😂

[@TemporaryAccountOK]

A symptom of an overall decline in QA Inspections, Employee Working/Living Standards, and the work ethic/attitude of working class people everywhere. Glad to see the Fortune 500s aren't immune, hopefully standards are raised for both Employee Compensation and Quality Control.

[@CarlosHernandez-if5nr]

Machining debris was exactly the reason I was thinking about.

[@alwayne5932]

I hope this is good news…because once they get this issue resolved they’re unstoppable..the #1 auto manufacturer …still going places 😁👍🏾

[@mysterycitizen2135]

As bulletproof and reliable as Toyota has been for decades, I'll trust that they'll make this right, and continue to make quality cars and trucks.

[@joshuawood1436]

Sorry, what decade did toyota make bulletproof, and reliable full size trucks? Every edition of their full size has been junk.

[@lil.dark.one.]

@@joshuawood1436exactly these people have lost it Toyota USED TO BE GOOD.

[@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy]

@@joshuawood1436 depends of the market region, the roasted engines you got were made in China

[@joshuawood1436]

@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy I never "got" one, and no edition of Toyotas full size truck has ever been good, or reliable. Not one.

[@PiroFyre]

Yeah. The 2.4L in a bunch of cars like the Camry consumed oil. Like a qt every 500 miles. This was a couple years ago. You know how Toyota fixed it? By just designing a new engine, the 2.5L in the next gen cars... Yeah, they didn't fix the oil consumption issue at all...

[@known3617]

Confusing to understand how Toyota, a company known for reliability doesn’t thoroughly test their shit. Regardless they should just stick with using B58s from bmw because currently that is the greatest modern day engine on the planet. Nothing comes close to it except for the 2JZ.

[@2nd-place]

The enshitification of everything continues, and even Toyota isn’t safe.

[@ryanhampson673]

I think cars should have chip detectors in the engine and transmission just like aircraft do. It’s essentially a small gap of two magnets, if any metallic particles are loose in the oil the particles attach and bridge the gap of the detector and illuminate a light telling you there is metal in your oil.

[@projectdeveloper9311]

Damn that's really fucking useful

[@cjin0101]

Yeh it's called oil pressure gauge.

[@ryanhampson673]

@@cjin0101 yea..if your pressure gauge is reacting to metal in the oil that’s way beyond fixing. Chip detectors pick up extremely fine dust sized particles so you shut down the engine before any lasting damage could take effect.

[@calvin-]

That's why being ultra brand-loyal is futile. Toyota does indeed build good vehicles, but all of the sudden they have the worst full size truck on the market. My Silverados never blew up, and now I own a Subaru. Brand loyalty will blind you to a vehicle's issues.

[@cwx8]

They build mediocre vehicles and haven't built anything amazing in a decade. Toyota drivers don't like to drive so the vehicles aren't driven hard hence why a lot of the perception is that they are reliable still.

[@bvictory5698]

Or… just don’t buy them brand new, wait a few years and let the kinks work out. Buy one partially used w low miles a few years after they come out, get basically a brand new truck for half the price and know it’s not a time bomb.

[@bvictory5698]

@@cwx8we don’t like to drive?? lol. Son I put 40 miles on my tundra a day. Some days I drive triple that. The real issue is people buy them that can’t afford to go anywhere while they make payments, and payments for aftermarket parts…too many people live beyond their income bracket. People don’t buy Toyota trucks to let them sit. They aren’t super cars and they aren’t track cars, we buy them to work and have fun.

[@cwx8]

@@bvictory5698 I mean drive. Not causally get from point a to point b. Toyota's don't exactly get stressed.

[@bzilla1090]

They had 4 million vehicles recalled last year. They're on par with nissan now

[@Adamfitz93]

Gets rid of a bulletproof v8, new v6 literally blowing apart. Good job boys.

[@Titantruck234]

This is caused by swarf getting trapped in the engines (head or block) during the machining process and the intermediate and final washer not removing the swarf from the passages . It will eventually come loose with oil causing the contamination to reach the CJ,s bearings, causing failure. The biggest failure to an engine is swarf contamination or out of specs items.

[@dc6233]

"Lets build them in Mexico, we'll save a fortune!! Ahh, Mr George, we have a massive recall"...

[@brianmaietta]

i believe they make these engines in WV

[@dystopia-usa]

Doesn't matter where it is built these days - it matters what the current corporate culture is on quality/durability & sadly neither Toyota or Honda are the same companies that they used to be in that regard. My new 2020 Japan-built Toyota was the worst vehicle that I have owned in 40+ years & 11 different new Toyota, Honda & Acura vehicles during that time. Purchased my first Mazda in 2022 (built in Mexico, CX-30 CE) & no problems or defects to report going on 2.5 years owned/driven now.

[@mp2764]

@@dystopia-usaagreed. The machines are mostly doing the building. I thing a big problem is that companies engineer things to break after a sufficient amount of time so you can buy a new one instead of using technological advancement to build something that lasts

[@jorgefloyd6989]

😂 because being built in the 🇺🇸 by the lowest bidder are the best 👍

[@gyishin]

​@@dystopia-usait absolutely matters where it's built. These are built in the US. US has always had lesser build quality. Why I wouldn't but a new Honda or Toyota product unless it came from Japan.

[@robertlandrum]

My 2011 Tundra and 2015 Sequoia have the 5.7L. I test drove one of the new ones to see what I was missing. I know it supposed to have more power on paper, but it felt much more sluggish than either of my older vehicles.

[@JoeBribem]

Quality control is a real thing

[@SquishGaming12]

Love that I work at a dealer ship and knew about this there was also a issue with shavings getting in the oil jackets :)

[@treborheminway3814]

Good for the recall, bad for only providing a short block and making the dealerships tear the whole truck apart. Not exactly a controlled and repeatable process. I guess the paperwork says, your mileage may vary....as well as the reliability.

[@bobbamford5207]

You'd probably be amazed at how little the tech will get paid to replace the short block. If anything goes wrong shortly after he'll fix it for no pay. The world of flat rate.

[@treborheminway3814]

@@bobbamford5207 yeah, I'd like to know the hours and rate Toyota thinks is fair. Dealerships and customers should demand better.

[@bobbamford5207]

@@treborheminway3814 I worked for Toyota as a Tech then an MDT. Took all schools. Never saw a video or any thing relating to establishing flat rate times. A woman pulls the times out of thin air. Knowing the Techs can either like it or lump it. It's called taking one for the team when you get screwed out of your pay. If you don't like that soon you're down the road and they hire in another sucker to take one for the team.Get It?

[@tellucas]

My problem with a short block is that if it blows again does the manufacturer or the dealership take the hit and fix it, i see potential for finger pointing. Plus given the size of the recall Toyota should set up a separate engine line and do remanufactured long blocks so it's plug and play at the dealership.

[@jacobwrona]

This is why you don't go replacing a reliable v8 with a v6 no matter what the EPA has to say about it.

[@randallsmerna384]

Well, I think the EPA has some say about it...

[@lactusgalacto1174]

V 6 with turbos.😂

[@jacobwrona]

@@lactusgalacto1174 "reliable" is the key word.

[@kingssuck06]

@@randallsmerna384depends on what happens in November

[@juraj_b]

V8 to V6 has nothing to do with it

[@Ginx-pe4si]

My chevy 5.3 LS still running strong after 17 yrs 😎

[@tomorrow6]

People don’t understand the point of races like Le Mans 24 hour endurance race or Bathurst 1000. They helped showcase a cars potential core reliability under stress.

[@walterkersting9922]

Don’t worry those 100,000 engines that they rebuilt at the dealer will be every bit as good as built at the factory…

[@danielkiss7003]

I would never let a dealer rebuild my engine They can't even do basic mantainance properly

[@stuartstogdill2406]

Not even remotely possible, lol. Great joke!

[@Nobody_important_at_all]

as a Toyota tech, lol. Toyota is trying to figure out the cheapest way to do the recall right now rather than what should be a complete long block engine replacement for everything the metal contaminated oil touches. I bet the procedure boils down to replacing a bearing on most engines, an oil flush with a few filter changes and an announcement on a 'warranty enhancement' of the engine that extends it for another 100k should the condition present itself.

[@AlexandarHullRichter]

honestly they should be or there's no point tearing them down. don't bother rebuilding it if you're not the make you make it good as new!

[@ComicusFreemanius]

@@Nobody_important_at_all cams are destroyed too probably. Don't know much about turbo but probably that too.

[@imfloridano5448]

I believe the block is twisting under load in the heavier vehicles causing the crank to do sum shifting in the main caps

[@SteveEddy-od7fb]

Yes 5448 aluminum engine blocks do warp a bit under heat and stress race cars have aluminum blocks but In the boring pedestrian world cast iron engine blocks are more practical

[@Dartmouth_CNC]

My 2023 1794 runs and purrs like a kitten, best truck I have ever owned

[@Slime_threezus]

And this is why Toyota needed bmw for the Supra

[@GIGABACHI]

Trust NO ONE, question EVERYTHING.

[@GC-nd1lp]

I don't trust you on that....

[@ricequackers]

Why?

[@GIGABACHI]

@@GC-nd1lp you just proved my point, thanks. 👍

[@GIGABACHI]

@@ricequackers why not ? 🤔

[@evergreenrider]

Who's going to investigate the investigators?

[@caseytodd7632]

The best thing Toyota could do right now is come out and acknowledge their mistake in jumping on the turbo V6 bandwagon, and immediately start offering the 5.7 V8 again. Then let the market decide what it wants.

[@shadowhound5113]

I would love a hybrid v8.

[@caseytodd7632]

@shadowhound5113 Bingo. Toyota have all but perfected hybrid technology, considering how far the Prius has come and for how long its been in production. That's exactly what they should have done. Smaller displacement V8, maybe based on their tried and true 4.7L, plus a hybrid battery. Probably would have been good for 25+ mpg and 500+hp/tq.

[@koomo801]

They can't bring back the 5.7 due to emission regulations. (They didn't do the twin-turbo V6 for economy.)

[@caseytodd7632]

@koomo801 oh I know.. its the EPA and the government doing it. If anything, they should have updated their bulletproof 4.7 V8 that used to come in the 4Runner and 1st gen Tundra, that was still used in some Lexus SUVs, updated it and turned it into a hybrid. That is a million mile engine, plus it's smaller displacement and if you paired it with a Prius style hybrid battery system... you got a 25mpg/400hp/500tq plus RELIABLE drive train. Toyota has all but perfected the hybrid system. They really screwed up jumping on the TT V6 bandwagon.

[@koomo801]

@@caseytodd7632 Agreed. My 25 year old '00 Tundra V8 has had one coil go bad. That's it. Too bad the EPA and the horsepower wars are forcing their hands.

[@Mike.D.843]

I don't understand why so many people sing Toyota's praises so much. They have A LOT of recalls.

[@corbs3535]

recalls don’t mean a thing every car in the world has several recalls😂

[@Mike.D.843]

@@corbs3535 That’s funny, zero on my Frontier.

[@corbs3535]

@@Mike.D.843 don’t need recalls on a frontier they aren’t gonna try and fix something that far gone

[@andrewvirtue5048]

Toyota being toyota, theyll have it ironed out in the very next generation. I used to work in 2 different of their factories.

[@zugzug6773]

So, the guys who do an oil change after buying a new car, then another at a few hundred miles, then another at a thousand kinda have the right idea.

[@spvillano]

A few dozen miles, do you mean? :/

[@zakpike4582]

Bro what I've been a mechanic for 15 years I've never had that happen I've seen old people that put 28 miles on it in a year want an oil change but not what your talking about

[@zugzug6773]

@@zakpike4582 The guy believed there was metal in the engine and so the first few hundred to a thousand miles he changed it a bunch of times. After that just changed at normal intervals.

[@zakpike4582]

@@zugzug6773 bro you don't have to lie to kickit

[@zugzug6773]

@@zakpike4582 Since that makes no sense, I can only assume your high.

[@zeropointzero]

Oh goody, another Hyundai/Kia saga. Except that Toyota is actively trying to make it right.

[@flaco2746]

The funny thing is. Metal shavings from machining was Kia’s exact same excuse when they found out about their engines

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

@@flaco2746that’s a great point

[@zeropointzero]

@@flaco2746 but in reality, something's wrong with the metallurgy.

[@philhenderson3516]

Excuse me but these issues have been happening since 2018, ever since this 3.4 turbo V6 engine debuted in the LS500. Multiple threads in the Lexus forums with failure going back to 2018, and in some cases with 2 or 3 engine replacements! Toyota kept ignoring it on purpose to buy time and to see with just how much they could get away with. If it weren't for the NHTSA opening an investigation, Toyota wouldn't have done a "voluntary" recall. Every giant car manufacturer is evil, greed is their motto, whether it be GM, Ford, Hyundai, Stellantis, Toyota, or Honda. Support the smaller manufacturers.

[@MR-si1eq]

I guess we'll see how right they actually get. Sad that all our cars Toyota, Honda, Ford and so on are all turning out to be high priced junk.

[@SJ-oxy]

props to toyota for doing the (expensive) right thing

[@chad9971]

Some are quick to say Toyota is losing its reliability, but this is standard with new vehicles. When Toyota released the first LS400 it had a bunch of problems. They eventually got it right and it became a legendary luxury sedan.

[@TucoDog-ho6fw]

I was ready to buy a full-size Toyota pick up with a V-8 right when they did away with the V-8. I have no interest in a V6 TwinTurbo from any manufacturer. The used V-8 Toyota trucks are impossible to find because now everyone wants one.

[@Madddog87]

Cummins swap

[@TucoDog-ho6fw]

@@Madddog87 I had a Duramax/Allison GMC And decided I really didn’t need a diesel, so I didn’t keep it very long. Luckily I never had the wimpy pin in the crankshaft fail. I have to run with a gas powered V-8 is what suits me best.

[@damondiehl5637]

They are not impossible to find. I can see a dozen of them on Autotrader. What is harder to find is one that isn't black, white or grey. I just bought a red 2020 Tundra last month.

[@TucoDog-ho6fw]

@@damondiehl5637 Anything but red for me. 😂 Thanks for responding to my comment. If I get serious I imagine I can find one but I am an old codger at this point so I’ll be looking for something that’s fairly local. The way I understand it these manufacturers with all the models they produce have to achieve the highest miles per gallon average through the whole line, so of course they’re gonna cut the V-8’s every chance they get.

[@Drewcardello]

get a ford f150 with the 5.0 coyote v8 if you can't find any old tundras.

[@2006gtobob]

That engine, from what I understand, is made in the USA and in Japan. Both countries manufacturers are making the engines incorrectly? I don't know about that.

[@Walterrinho]

the blocks are made in the same place said some comments .

[@Santor-]

​​​​@@Walterrinhoyes, then they ship those blocks to the two factories, including a little white package containing "debris" and instructions on exactly where to put it. 🙄

[@MrSleepProductionsInc]

CNC machinery, same programing gets you same results. That’s the whole point of cnc, good and/or bad!

[@DxCBuG]

​@@MrSleepProductionsIncYou're not wrong but if anything in the chain isn't up to spec it pays off to have experienced and trained staff. They can catch a lot of these things before it's a mass problem within the product line..

[@swaggerdo7231]

@@Santor- hahahaha

[@DWB212]

Ill never own another Toyota product after purchasing a new TRD tacoma in 2019 . A week into owning the truck the transmission started to give problems, dealer would not even check it, they said its a sealed unit then the rear diff started whining all the time, drivers door would bounce open,service advisor said roll window down to close door. Absolutely no help from corporate so i traded it in on a new Nissan Titan, never been happier.

[@gunsngunpla]

Real talk... this kinda makes me want a Toyota V6 now... assuming they fix everything.

[@dnegel9546]

Toyota fanboys will say they never break down. 😂

[@TexasBig]

@@dnegel9546 It's because Japan let America build the block.

[@m00nkinftw]

Fanboys are the worst. I like Toyota, but I have no problem admitting they made shitty engines. The 1ZZ, the D-4D, the IS250 with the V6, etc

[@briangonzalez8514]

@@m00nkinftwobviously they have had bad engines but the good outweighs the bad. That’s the difference with Toyota that America car companies can’t say the same about.

[@gamesguy]

This is a manufacturing error caused by shitty American workers.

[@danw5996]

Heres the big difference. They warranty their produce when they realize they f'd up. Even long after mandatory warranty peroids expire and not because of class action lawsuits. Toyota fan boys exist en mass for a reason.

[@kdaltex]

Machining debris wouldn't exclusively damage the main bearing. Also I find it hard to believe both Japan and US factories making the engines would miss machining debris, especially Japan, for a hundred thousand engines.

[@neemanon]

It would if the debris clogged the oil lines. Happened to Hyundai/Kia in their 2.4 NA and 2.0T engines.

[@Firefrei]

These problems are all exclusive to the American made tundras, the Japanese ones are completely safe and I believe don’t have any recalls except for the fuel line

[@nicholash8021]

Toyota is very good about replicating their process at every plant, so if the procedures are wrong, they'll be wrong everywhere.

[@real5609]

What plants were the recalled engines made in?

[@yanceyboyz]

The turbo V6 isn't produced in Japan, it's built in the Americas, not Asia.

[@douglassawyer794]

Cleanliness is next to Godliness.

[@chlamb38]

Anyone who has been around motors knows that if the bearings don't have the tang and the blocks don't have a place for the tangs to set into knows that after a bit the bearings will spin in the blocks since the tang locks the bearing in place.

[@alexgrindnshine2522]

I am not a Toyota Fan boy but Toyota is doing the right thing and addressing this issue head on. It’s an unfortunate mistake, and all manufacturers have issue like these. Being that Toyota has built a solid reputation of being reliable the public loves to see them humbled by this problem. It’s how a company handles their mistakes that says the most. Give this truck 3 years on the market and they will have the bugs worked out of it.

[@disco.lemonade]

It's the least they can do lmao, stop praising them for doing their job and fulfilling their obligation as a car manufacturer that manufactures a shitty engine

[@solvend]

Toyota needs a class action lawsuit for this. Telling someone their new 60K truck is gonna have a rebuilt engine now is bullshit. Sue the shit out of them

[@privateer9181]

60k? whats that the base model with no tires and steering wheel? Try 75K

[@metalavenger23]

Welcome to the life of a ford owner.

[@danielredziniak2996]

@@privateer9181Base model is 40, mid trim is 60k and top of the line capstone is like 75k.

[@privateer9181]

@@danielredziniak2996 ok ok

[@blinkguy4ever]

​​@@privateer9181 well... my limited with all the bells and whistles and trd off road package. And totally decked out to the max was 65k out the door... I think you are probably one of those who doesn't own one right?

[@RadioAshen]

The moral of the story: dont worry about the new toys, the old ones still looking pretty shiny.

[@deadspyder]

Machining debris doesn't wait 3000 miles.

[@timc9893]

It could very easily last that long, as it's slowly ground down to the point that it can find its way between the bearing and crank journals.

[@Random-dndsdfaf]

Tell you are not an engineer without telling me.

[@brettstover1850]

That’s why I’ll just keep my 2003 v8 tundra

[@mmm-rd4yr]

2003 look ugly

[@madeirafonseca6383]

@@mmm-rd4yr They look beautiful when they're driving past a broken down vehicle on the side of the road.