TOYPAJ Follow Up & Profiles!

[@MCZirkel]

I literally just watched the first part because i watch every video on the internet about chasing that tone haha And right now you are dropping this for us to use - thank u so much! Playing along to TOYPAJ and it really is the closest tone i know

[@rickcarson2236]

Dang thank you!! That makes my heart sing!!

[@xixo2k7]

welchen amp sim verwendest du? ich habe die profile mit NAM (ohne IR) ausprobiert und leider bekomme ich keinen cleanen ton hin, bzw. es klingt immer fuzzy und ist somit weit vom TOYPAJ-sound entfernt - gleiches gilt für tone X

[@MCZirkel]

@@xixo2k7 ich habs mit NAM gemacht und es hat gut funktioniert - das Anthem profile ist ziemlich hot und auch lauter, das First Date profile trifft es für mich aber gut 🤔

[@TheMatthewmcgee]

I was just telling Ryan, these are so damn close. I’ve also been chasing this tone for nearly two decades and you guys are the closest I’ve ever heard 🙌

[@rickcarson2236]

I am so happy to hear that!! I have been on similar journey and I am happy we are here together!!

[@TheBlinkisback09]

Undefeated recreations! Kickass job in carrying forward Jerry's legacy!

[@rickcarson2236]

Thank you so much!! if there is a ton you'd like to hear please let us know!!

[@Stuart0202]

So not only did you spend the time making these, but you gave them away for free too! What a saint.❤

[@makebelievestudio]

Yes!! Thank you for the kind words!! If there is anything you'd like to learn about here with us please just let us know!!

[@IanHaghighat]

Another great video! I still can’t believe the amount of research you guys do to give us these videos for free. Can’t wait for that Sing the Sorrow video!

[@makebelievestudio]

Thank you so much!!! Sing the Sorrow has been a lot of fun to do!! a very different tone!!

[@mitchxc]

Thank you for sharing the profile downloads!! Sounds so good.

[@makebelievestudio]

Glad you like them!

[@wilviars]

Keep doing Gods work fellas. We are grateful

[@mohitrahaman]

Just hours ago found your channel and watched your TOYPAJ video!

[@makebelievestudio]

Welcome!! Hyped you’re here with us!!

[@mohitrahaman]

@@makebelievestudio I am humbled, can't wait for more, all the best for your YT journey!

[@Mohawkjoe77]

Love these videos! Please keep em coming!

[@clfnole]

Would have loved if you included the tones from each amp like you did in the EOTS video. Really helps us at home guys with modelers like the Helix dial in our tones better.

[@pedrochalkho7629]

Ok, this is incredible. Thanks a lot for sharing this with us!!

[@btmariano]

anyone want to translate this to Helix format? if no one else can, i may use the NAM as reference to try and do it myself when i get time

[@AdamTrabold]

would LOOOOVE this

[@clfnole]

Going to try with my Helix. Not sure how close we can get to the Silver Jubilee though but will try with the new 2203.

[@makebelievestudio]

If someone wants to send us a helix and an axefx we will make them. Just throwing it out there.

[@simonrbrown1]

You are a HERO! My new favourite channel.

[@makebelievestudio]

Thank you so much we are very happy to hear that!! if there is anything you want to learn about just say the word!

[@WishingWellStudio]

What a time to be a bedroom guitar player

[@rickcarson2236]

Dang thanks!!! Now everyone can get a tone that may be in there head!!

[@WishingWellStudio]

@@rickcarson2236 I must thank you. "Yead", right? Haha

[@makebelievestudio]

haha You're welcome!!

[@TheDwarfInvasion]

You should do another follow up where we get to hear the individual pieces. What does the mesa sound like? What does the Jubilee sound like? What does it sound like with and without the Pultec curve? What about the 67 vs the 121?

[@makebelievestudio]

That sounds like a great idea and we just may do it. What else would you like to know slash hear?

[@TheDwarfInvasion]

@@makebelievestudio hmmm. I guess probably but would be best to hear 67, then 121, then both together. Same with amps. Each individually, then both together. Also, I grabbed a pultec plugin and did a frequency sweep to see what that pultec EQ setting actually does. Low values of boost at 100hz reach up super high in frequency on a pultec, up to 1k or 2k. So it's not intuitive what the final curve would look like when you add that to a 4k boost. That 100hz boost could be labeled as a 500hz low shelf boost on a different EQ (or maybe even a 1,500hz high shelf cut) I can email screenshots of the frequency response to you if you want.

[@makebelievestudio]

Oh I know how a pultec works for sure. Not a curve easily recreated with a straight digital eq but there are plenty of plugins out there. We will make a follow up with all this in mind. Thank you again!!

[@makebelievestudio]

@EpilepticFingers clean tone is just volume rolled back on the guitar volume

[@TSPchris]

I really like these presets! Any plans for make something similiar for Mark's bass tone in that era?

[@makebelievestudio]

That could be something we take on!!

[@daveandjay]

That tone is perfect nailed it once again! Will there ever be a Helix patch download?

[@makebelievestudio]

Maybe!! Trying to figure out how to make it happen!

[@ToneResearch]

Thanks for putting the profiles up, I'm going to give them a try with a strat as I seem to hear that splatty type of attack that 25.5 guitars tend to have with mid-gain tones (and hitting the pickguard) more across TYPOAJ as opposed to EOTS. As for the LPs, the ones I've noticed/seen the most of from the areas I've looked: -1999 40th Anniversary R9 Cherry Sunburst - Used a lot for different parts across different records -2002? Goldtop R7 (the LP Jade is seen with in the snippet). I don't think this was a regular production R7 but one that was spec'd/aged, maybe with BB 2&3 pickups, maybe 57 Classics, aged hardware idk hard to say. Matt Skiba I think also messed around with this guitar a bit during the Crimson recording sessions. -1975-1979? Les Paul Custom Alpine White - Tom used this guitar in the video when he's going through the First Date intro/verse. Skiba (I'm concluding) also used this for the main rhythm guitar tones on Good Mourning. -I've also seen a 1998? Les Paul Elegant used in the Good Mourning recording sessions. Don't know too much of the maroon LP, will have to look into that one. If anyone's got exact dates on a few of those guitars I'd like to know, spent too much time looking through Internet Archives and KZbin videos haha.

[@makebelievestudio]

We should definitely chat!!

[@angermanagementstudios]

Had to comment again lads. These tones are absolutely fantastic. Have you ever thought about doing a TOYPAJ bass tone equivalent? And even a drum sample package? I’d pay good money for those!

[@angermanagementstudios]

20 plus years I’ve been trying to nail this tone lads. You’re legends!

[@makebelievestudio]

Thank you so much and I am really happy you enjoyed it!!

[@angermanagementstudios]

@@makebelievestudio Already used it on two songs for a client! Thanks again lads!

[@makebelievestudio]

@@angermanagementstudios that’s awesome!! Send us a link when it’s out!!

[@IntoTheWeeds71]

I keep coming back to these videos. The tone is so impressive. How did you recreate the bass in the anthem play through? That's great too

[@makebelievestudio]

That was a stem!

[@valnob94]

Loved it ! I would love to see the same thing with the Untitled album

[@kristianniemann8716]

Amazing!! Thanks so much guys!

[@makebelievestudio]

Our pleasure!

[@MovieMomentsReviewFilm]

holy sheet man, the anthem riff sound !! you nail it

[@makebelievestudio]

Thank you so much!! I am happy you thought so!! That is my favorite tone on the record!!

[@QuanNguyen-kr6hz]

You guys made profiles for four different modelers? You did not need to go this hard. I’m stoked to try these out. I think the file is missing Quad Cortex though.

[@makebelievestudio]

You have to download it through the cortex cloud username is MakeBelieveStudios

[@stevehamin1618]

Thanks! in my opinion, the fifths sound very similar, but the palm mute is not juicy and crunchy enough

[@makebelievestudio]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@jefflikeusual20]

Thanks so much!

[@makebelievestudio]

You're welcome!

[@chronicnarnia]

Thanks for sharing! Did you make clean tone captures too?

[@makebelievestudio]

Nope the clean in anthem we made by just rolling the volume way back. Sounds pretty close.

[@crownsuponcorpses]

Thanks so much for these and the Enema tones - its been a blast watching these videos and seeing the journey to create these tones! In regards to NAM, do you still recommend putting an IR in the chain, or does this nam file include the Cab built in? Thanks again!

[@makebelievestudio]

You shouldn't have to use an IR with either.

[@brentporter9324]

I’m with you on the different guitars, curious if everything was on the bridge pickup for each?

[@makebelievestudio]

For Blink I believe a lot of it is. Other stuff gets a little trickier!!

[@brentporter9324]

Thank you!

[@rogerconnick]

Amazing work guys! I've spent many years trying to dial in this tone and this is the closest ive heard. I spotted a Hiwatt amp in one of the EOTS studio pics. Do you think that also formed part of the tone from this era? Maybe a 3rd amp being used alongside the MB and SJ?

[@makebelievestudio]

I know Jerry and Rob both had a hiwatt and I have lots of thoughts on its use but no I dont think it was part of this tone.

[@rogerconnick]

@makebelievestudio what made you choose the 100w silver jubilee over the 50w version? It's unclear from the studio picture which model Jerry's using. Is there much difference in sound?

[@johnnyway8667]

Do you also have direct amp profiles for Tonex? It would be amazing to have that flexibility.

[@makebelievestudio]

its full rig only! sorry!

[@IntoTheWeeds71]

Love your work! Would love to see an on-screen demo of some of the EQ choices you might make when using the nam profile. Also I might have missed it, but what's going on with the clean guitar in the Anthem II recreation? Is it the same profile, or something different?

[@makebelievestudio]

Its actually the exact tone with the guitar rolled way down!!

[@IntoTheWeeds71]

@@makebelievestudio that's incredible, it sounds amazing. I've spent a couple of years trying to recreate it with plugins. I got close, but this NAM profile just nails it. Awesome work!

[@xixo2k7]

@@IntoTheWeeds71 What settings are you using for the NAM profile? I have tried the profiles with no IR and unfortunately I can't get a clean tone. It always sounds kinda dirty/fuzzy and is very far from the TOYPAJ sound.

[@IntoTheWeeds71]

@@xixo2k7 I'm using the free NadIR plugin after NAM to load two different Marshall 1960A IRs (one Royer R-121 and one MD 421). They're free, think I got them from Tonehunt, Amner Hunter's free IR pack, or something similar. Should note though that I haven't tried to get a clean tone since the above comments, though I did get the feeling that lowering my guitar input and maybe even the NAM gain would help.

[@xixo2k7]

@@IntoTheWeeds71 Alright, thanks, I'll just try my luck w/ some IRs then. That might do the trick.

[@joshwilliams3089]

Sooo good. Im very excited for sts and hopefully boxcar! I cant wait to play with these profiles! Would i have better luck using my gibson explorer with a bare knuckles in the bridge or my strat with hotrails in the bridge? Also, if i did win the klon yesterday, could you leave the tape/setting on it? Lol.

[@makebelievestudio]

Should we give a wish Elon away? And personally if it were me and I was playing these tones Id rock the explorer. The bare nuckle may be a bit hot.

[@johnnyway8667]

Are both amps banned to both sides or is marshall left and mesa right? I always wondered how Tom blended his amps for live sound if the volume is not 50/50.

[@makebelievestudio]

Both amps are summed into one track. Double tracked with one performance per side. The blend is closer to 65 marshall 35 mesa.

[@JakubK182]

Sooo, can we expect Self-titled or Box Car Racer tone recreation video?

[@makebelievestudio]

Sooon!!!

[@jordancissell5601]

I may have misremembered your enema video but I think you used 4 mics. 2 on the mesa and 2 on the jcm900. For toypaj you used 2 mics total, one on each amp. Do you have a preference? Curious what toypaj would have sounded like with the 4 mic setup.

[@jordancissell5601]

Also the tone is dead on its unreal. Would love to hear it run to tape too

[@rickcarson2236]

Thank you!! I do think the less mics the les phase shift but either way. I found the 121 dos well on the bottom get what is needed out of the amp and same for the u67 on the other side at least for this tone!!

[@CallMeCasey98]

Hey! Maybe a silly question but I’m new to the modeling stuff, will any of these work with the HX stomp?

[@makebelievestudio]

Not currently but we are discussing getting some stomp profiles out.

[@CallMeCasey98]

@@makebelievestudio awesome!! Thanks a ton for the reply.

[@jsk8et]

Any indication of double / quad tracking single coils and humbuckers for the same parts? It seems to have a similar clarity/girth thing to the blended cleaner and dirtier amps, in general.

[@rickcarson2236]

Jerry used the same sound on each side. So same guitars same pickups.

[@jsk8et]

I was thinking perhaps on some tracks, it was the same sound in stereo, but the sound would have been a hubmucker guitar and a single coil. But the amp blend obviously does sounds great without it.@@rickcarson2236

[@makebelievestudio]

Nope same sounds on both sides confirmed by a few different engineers and my ears so that's what I think it is. He would throw a third guitar track up the center to pop out stuff. Sometimes those over dubs can be very interesting!!

[@Ojedator]

Do a Sum 41 profile please

[@clfnole]

So is what we are hearing a Tele or a Les Paul? It looks like a LP from the video but I think in this one you mentioned it sounding to bluesy so is the sound actually the Tele?

[@makebelievestudio]

The riff in first date in our previous video was the tele. In this video for anthem it was all les Paul.

[@SJMKS.0]

How did you set up the amps for the clean Anthem pt. 2 intro?

[@makebelievestudio]

Rolled the volume way down.

[@codymcgrew94]

Hey, would you all consider doing a Nirvana version?? Any album would be awesome. Love the channel, thanks!

[@makebelievestudio]

Possibly! What is your favorite tone. I am a big Andy Wallace fan so I lean nevermind!!!

[@danthegeetarman]

🙌🙌🎸🎸💪💪

[@rickcarson2236]

My dude!!

[@drewwale8896]

Hi there, I've tried using these kemper profiles today and they won't load in rig manager, says they are damaged files.

[@makebelievestudio]

@@drewwale8896 which os are you on?

[@Joe-ef8rf]

What impulse response do you recommend using for these?

[@makebelievestudio]

all the profiles are full captures. so no impulses needed as we captured the pedal > amps > cabs > eq all together in a chain at once!

[@GateOfSkateboarding]

Quad cortex ?

[@makebelievestudio]

Makebelievestudios is the user name and the profiles are public

[@mat13smith]

@@makebelievestudio This is so great. Any chance of the Enema ones going up on here?

[@chronicnarnia]

@@makebelievestudioI’m guessing the EOTS tones weren’t captured on a QC at the time?

[@makebelievestudio]

Nope but we pulled the amps back out and recalled it. It should be up there now I believe.

[@TheRiffingFatboy]

wizards

[@makebelievestudio]

Thank you so much!!

[@WDShorty]

But the bass tone?!

[@CLAMBAKED]

Anywhere I can find the song the sorrow video?

[@IanHaghighat]

Almost 6 months later, did y’all ever figure out the copyright strike for the StS video? 🥲