Tracht Talks: The History of Dirndl

[@VikingVet]

thought you should know I'll be incorporating some of this knowledge into my MA Thesis this term on German appropriate and suppression.

[@ornament_and_crime]

that makes me extremely happy to hear! :)

[@nasuf8358]

can i put the link of this vid for my presentation pls u did so good

[@ornament_and_crime]

yes of course! :)

[@gemini1123]

LOVE your channel 💕💕💕 I am very interested in all the traditional folk clothing and dances around the world. I love soft Indian Indian cotton and silk prints, Japanese kimonos and Han Fu. The hair styles that go with Han Fu are amazing and Sarees look so regal and goddess like. Perfect for everyday wear.

[@rowenazuercher5363]

This was so informative! Do you have any resources for Swiss tracht?

[@ornament_and_crime]

I recommend this blog! Tons of beautiful pics: folkcostume.blogspot.com/2013/12/overview-of-swiss-costume.html

[@rowenazuercher5363]

@@ornament_and_crime thank you!

[@johndoe-cv8pr]

The third reich didnt supress german culture they amplified it and the dirndil was no exception. Its a german folk dress and They still wear it in bavaria.

[@TheRealSlatkoReimers666]

They did suppress a Lot of culture of course, Traditions all over Germany were wiped out because they were considered Not purely "aryan"

[@salviapratensia]

They did surpress german culture like making Fasnet illegal and rewriting christmas charols.

[@charlymicky1722]

The traditions they didn't supress, they often changed to be more to their liking. The Dirndl was not just instrumentalized and appropriated by the nazis, but was also heavily changed in appearance according to nazi ideology. The Jewish Wallach brothers who were core to promoting the folk dress to the fashion must have Dirndl in Bavaria for decades were forced to sell their fashion house way under its value and one of them even was murdered in a concentration camp. Yes, they still wear the Dirndl in Bavaria and it is nowadays not a sign of a right wing mindset. But at the same time the origins of the dirndl and who influenced it to what degree and for what purpose (ahem nazis) is not widely known. Some websites describing the history of Dirndl even mention "in the 1940 the appearance changed a lot, the hemlines got shorter..." without ever mentioning nazis. In my opinion, if the history of Dirndl would be more widely known, it would lead to a new appreciation how something so twisted and influenced in so insidious ways is nowadays a symbol for all the positive cultural traditions in Bavaria: Joyful festivities, enjoyment of the beautiful landscapes, spending long evenings in community with good Bavarian food and drink.

[@RobertTheDodger654]

Are Lederhosen and Dirndls associated as much with Alemannic Switzerland as they are with Southern Germany and Austria?

[@ngaire1004]

The area I know (more west) definitely not lederhosen, but similar vests and dresses.

[@snakeweasel]

I have just happened upon your channel (and full disclosure haven't even fully watched one of your vids yet sorry - but i am subscribed and very keen to watch them all) - but from seeing the titles/thumbnails of your vids i am very keen to dive in and also would love some content on the original 'ornament and crime' essay/lecture from Loos - i have heard from some sources that it's supposed to be satirical but i don't know how to process that given it's influence and historical context - in any regard, reading it and comprehending it at face value is honestly really tough given how rank/racist/dumb it is to my contemporary eyes/brain. I have some more sympathy for it (not the racist parts tho - that's just gross) when i think about the capitalist growth motive of the ornament industry around the turn of the century in the years after art noveau/de stijl/jugentstil as well as the influence of ornamental styles from a mass variety of colonised cultures being appropriated at the same time for western markets. in any sense i think we're now dealing with (maybe in some senses a curse from that colonial time period) the societal fallout from a total abandonment/criminalisation of ornament (which i reckon is something that ties us to our collective humanity in architecture/design, as well as something that ties us to our particular local culture and historical identity). i think it's time to drink the coffee and wash our faces from the deep rem sleep of ornament-less modernist architecture/design and go about our coming days making beautiful and sensible actions within the world which we can pass down to our next generations.

[@QUEENofHEARTZ1973]

Let me inform you that the dirndl worn in bavaria mean somthing, example as a child mine was white on skirting and black on torso then had a white apron over my whit skirt with red trim and white daisy flowers on the front torso, dresses such as these were made so ppl would express what region they are from or back ground like swabish in bavaria bayern so forth .and for YOU TO SAY THAT BAVARIAN DIRNDL STILL IS ASSOCIATED WITH NAZI's is WRONG ! MY GRAND PARENTS LIVED THRU WW2 IN GERMANY .SO I MEAN NO DISRESPECT WHEN I SAY IF YOU GONNA SPEAK ABOUT BAVARIA & TRADITION, YOU BEST KNOW DOESNT MATTER IF 50 YRS OR 1 HUNDRED YEARS GO BY ...BAVARIA CARRIES PRIDE IN DRESSING THE COWS WITH FLOWERS, THE YOUNG BOYS IN LEDAHOSEN AND THEIRS AS WELL IF YOU LOOK AT VIDEOS WITH TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE FROM AND BACK GROUNDS INCLUDING THE FELT HATS WITH FEATHERS IN THE BACK ! AND ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH HITLER !!! HITLER IS NOT GERMAN NEVER WAS HE WAS AUSTRIAN !! SO HITLER HAS NO GERMAN HISTORY UP BRINGING , FOR YOU TO SAY WHAT YOU DID IS AN INSULT TO BAVARIANS. I LIKE YOUR VIDEO, YOU DID GOOD UNTIL U SAID THAT ABOUT BAVARIA AND PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY LIVE THERE STILL . GOD BLESS EVERYONE & GOD BLESS BAVARIA

[@GodsOath_com]

So dirndl wasn’t actually a historical dress but a costume from only 1810.