Tracking the Lost Mogollon Across the Ancient Southwest - A Short Documentary

[@AncientPottery]

My last video of 2020. 44 videos made, 12 pots made, 15 different clay sources shown, 14 ancient ruins visited, 3 pigment mineral locations, 34 different remote locations across 3 states. I feel that I have made the most of this year despite the obstacles. Looking forward to even better 2021!

[@jroberts1734]

Congrats! U have definetly opened eyes and helped hands.. Muchas Gracias Amigo.. Hasta

[@marcsmelser9508]

Somehow I missed this video. You sure did make it to a lot of places in 2020. Very informative!!! I have been meaning to purchase "Mud Puzzles" for a while. In the next 10 minutes that's gonna happen!!!

[@dorotheadiallo5790]

great video, great story. Thank you!

[@christopherneelyakagoattmo6078]

I like your style of presenting. Many people can talk for 15 minutes and say virtually nothing. My grandad would say, "They crammed 10 minutes worth of material into a 45 minute lecture." You have the information with solid, educated opinions: founded in literal hands-on research. I'm sure the PhD's on the subject(s) would call you a Citizen Scientist. May your horizons continue to expand in the coming year.

[@jroberts1734]

Well said friend..

[@AncientPottery]

Wow, thank you! So humbled at your kind words.l

[@ChadZuberAdventures]

Wonderfully presented archaeological perspective. I'm learning a lot from you. I never knew there was so much recorded history of the southwest indigenous groups. So very fascinating.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

[@roluchashron]

I can relate to their journey. Living in the Tucson,Phoenix and Mancos valleys I’ve often wondered about the peoples who’ve lived here before. Your study of the pottery on the four corners regions and telling of the epic journey these people was amazing. I appreciate you taking the time to make these types of video. I certainly hope your hypothesis has held up over the years since I’m just now seeing this video. I’ll be watching more of these in the future for sure.

[@zanecallahan3948]

The Navajo have a similar story of leaving north then returning to find “strange people” living in cliffs. The Navajo drove these people south to secure their native homelands from the anasazi or “ancient enemy”. I spend a good deal of time on the Navajo Nation reservation and I hear similar stories from the elders.

[@AncientPottery]

Interesting thanks for sharing that

[@dayc801]

Love it! Had my attention the entire time I would really enjoy more videos like this one Your story telling and writing are spellbinding and spectacular.

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you. I am planning more like this right now.

[@spencerbarton7384]

It’s so cool to piece stories like this together! We know so little about our past

[@AncientPottery]

Yes, and many of the answers are kind of beyond the grasp of traditional archaeology.

[@joseHernandez-xc4ix]

I just found your channel. I grew up in Maricopa, Arizona in the 70's and 80's and thank you for your video's

[@CapnGimp]

Thoroughly enjoyed this very informative documentary.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks

[@adeebadhillon6043]

I am a history student and I love the facts of history - interesting - Thanks 😊

[@renewedrewilder830]

I love this! Thank you for piecing it all together and then sharing it with us!

[@AncientPottery]

You are so welcome!

[@joshuabradshaw1450]

I really enjoyed this video. This is one of your best.The information you present in your videos are priceless. Keep up the good work:)

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you so much, I am trying my best and getting better I feel.

[@josephpashka7369]

Outstanding video. Thank you for your time researching, due diligence, & accessible presentation.

[@glowingcritter]

I love your southwestern prehistory videos Andy. You’re amazing and I learn so much please make more !!!

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you! Will do!

[@jonathanellis8921]

This video left me speechless. It was amazing to see how through the generations this group kept making the same patterns. You presented this in such a way that I felt transported from my sleepy town in Pennsylvania, to the ancient American southwest. I appreciate the time and effort you put into this and hope that it is possible for more research to be done on this fascinating topic.

[@AncientPottery]

Glad you liked it, thanks!

[@TimBrownYoutube]

Lovely presentation thanks for the info!

[@AncientPottery]

Glad it was helpful!

[@haveyouconsideredtherapy]

Thank you so much for making this. I'm about to start researching for an essay on ancient Celtic pottery on the Scottish islands and this was a nice insight. I'll check your book out.

[@AncientPottery]

Great, I love ancient British pottery.

[@llanitedave]

True or not (and it certainly sounds plausible) it's a story with a sweep and vision as grand as anything Jean Auel could have conjured. Great video. I'll be looking into your book as well.

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you so much!

[@Maintenance63]

I've been watching Archaeology Southwest following their cannibalism theory. That may be the reason for the cliff dwellings and moving. They suggested their is a lot of the past buried under Phoenix and other large cities. Very interesting connection . Your theory helps us to understand.

[@AncientPottery]

I have not heard Archaeology Southwest talk about cannibalism before, but I am familiar with some of the Anasazi cannibalism evidence. And you are right on here, that is one way that people were being terrified into obedience back in those days. These lost Mogollon wanted no part in that system.

[@MrMbuckingham]

Thanks for taking the time to tell this tale. Really well presented and interesting.

[@AncientPottery]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@edstud1]

Great video, Andy!

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks!

[@6bonjour]

Interesting video, well presented with good production. I really like seeing examples of pottery from different groups.

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you very much!

[@vicki1141]

Very much enjoyed this historic video and how the pottery styles say so much about the people's who carried their traditions with them. Your book would be very interesting to read. While visiting friends in Globe , I found pottery shards out near Roosevelt Lake. Right now I cannot remember why we thought they were Salado related.

[@becquessouthernarizonaexpl5675]

Great theory. I have been to many of these sites and this presentation really ties it in together.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks, it’s good to hear from someone familiar with these sites.

[@angeladazlich7145]

Loved this one, Andy. Such a pleasure to learn about it.

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you.

[@jroberts1734]

Yeah, straight up awesome imho...

[@scrappybobbarker5224]

Great video! Great detective work.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks Barker, glad you liked it.

[@robmarshallofficial]

Very informative. Thank you

[@AncientPottery]

Very welcome

[@thejuiceisloose]

I'd love to hear you talk about the Goat Hill ruin in the Safford area. I believe there was a kiva found there as well.

[@AncientPottery]

Here is the video where I talk about Goat Hill kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKq6f4J4i9Woq9E One of my least watched videos and a little all over the place. I have been to Goat Hill, it is an amazing site.

[@Maintenance63]

I'd like to know what the weather was like in their day. Gardens full of beans, squash and corn would need plenty of water, and care. Did a weather pattern change forcing them to move?

[@AncientPottery]

Archaeologists always say that the weather was very similar in those days, but I sometimes wonder the same thing.

[@1971jwing]

Great job Mr. Ward. I have no idea if any of what you say is truth, but I feel as though you present yourself as credible and talented. For someone trying to understand the gaps in ones understanding of the humans of the world, it is nice to have met your work. Thank you.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks. I don't know if it's true either but it's fun to go down the rabbit hole and speculate about what was going on back in those days.

[@1971jwing]

@@AncientPottery With you as the presenter it only makes sense. Thanks for sharing your wisdom and time with the world. Everyone has so much to learn about each other. Great health to all.

[@limbolegs]

watching this as part of my university archeology class :)

[@jazzmusician46]

Andy, I love your videos. I look forward to them each week. As an Australian, I’m amazed our indigenous people did not make pottery like yours did. Our Aborigines used clay, but only for ceremonial purposes (their body). I suppose being nomadic caused pottery to weigh them down a lot. Hence not making pots and plates, etc.

[@AncientPottery]

We find that in the Americas too. The more nomadic people didn't make pottery while the more settled groups made tons for it. Thanks for watching.

[@jackiegrant410]

Very, very interesting and well presented. thank you.

[@AncientPottery]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@franksalsa9342]

Thank you for your straightforward work.

[@AncientPottery]

You are welcome, thanks for watching.

[@marianedwards5077]

That was so interesting

[@laerton4202]

Enjoyed it. More.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks, will do

[@williamwarner6036]

Excellent as always! Your production values hit the flattening high end of the asymptote curve a while ago, but continue to improve. Keep up the good work!!

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks so much Bill!

[@runtt21]

This was a great video . I think it would be a good idea to mix in a few more like it with your regular videos.

[@jroberts1734]

Totally agree!!

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you so much. I have made a few that are similar in the past. Have you seen these? kzbin.info/www/bejne/anzOh2uQgMyLjqs or kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJqmaIh8bbh_qZY

[@runtt21]

@@AncientPottery Yes, they are both really good.

[@lucask2396]

This is quality content!

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you so much.

[@virginiajorgensen8614]

Very interesting

[@m00nmanners]

Great documentary! Glad I stumbled across your page and I happily subscribed.

[@AncientPottery]

Welcome aboard!

[@torstengotz2118]

Very interesting, thank you. Best regards from Saxony.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks.

[@carlosmacmartin4205]

Another interesting video!

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you, glad you liked it.

[@reginacarroll8149]

Will you please explain slip? I need to make some flower pots and really don't want to waste my time. Thank you, Mr Ward. I do enjoy your videos!

[@AncientPottery]

Slip is just a thin solution of clay. It is usually applied to produce a smooth surface for polishing or to change the color of a pot. I wouldn't think it would be necessary for producing flower pots.

[@robsmith6961]

THANKS just great

[@AncientPottery]

Glad you liked it.

[@dbsartworks418]

Love the history!

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks, I appreciate your comment.

[@MarilynMayer-cd5qk]

Thank you.

[@gonagain]

Very interesting!

[@AncientPottery]

Glad you think so!

[@montebegaye1033]

I have great respect for your knowledge of people who have been involved with mother earth. I am Navajo. The way you explain and say possible this might have happened. Caucasian say this is how it happened. They were not there. Our way of life is disappearing. We have finally been integrated. Sad but true.

[@AncientPottery]

Yes, you can see it everywhere, on the rez and in small rural American towns. Popular culture is grabbing young people and destroying traditions all over the world. Sad but true, Thank you for watching and commenting.

[@MiloSatori]

Ya at eh from Mexico. I’m Hopi, Pima, Tarahumara descent from northern Chihuahua and tribes here don’t want to speak their mother tongue anymore. Even the government is putting stop signs in tribal language but i guess it’s late now.

[@robsmith6961]

Also looking at James Chuckle s video s. Very good lots of pottery and painting ideas.Thanks

[@AncientPottery]

Yes, I have seen him, he has a great collection. Too bad the information from that ruin he excavated has never been made publicly available.

[@robsmith6961]

@@AncientPottery I hope you have a video plans about painting pots and were you get your steady hand and straight lines and idea s for layout. Along with paint prep into prep exct.I

[@ronniegriffin5383]

Very interesting , like you say alot of know archeology but alot of unconnected dots, seems highly plausible, I think speculation always takes us to a higher understanding. We'll presented and highly interesting.

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks Ronnie.

[@Historyamerica]

i have a question, are the people from the san pedro river from the oshare tradtion?

[@littleSallyJo]

I have a question: When you say that the "Lost Mogollon" finally traveled further South into Northern Mexico, is it possible that they ended up in the Casas Grandes culture of Northern Chihuahua, and ended up re-emerging as the Mata Ortiz pottery tradition? Just wondering....

[@AncientPottery]

Casas Grandes died around the same time as the Salado culture, so they didn't go there. Also the potters in Mata Ortiz are not descendants of the Native cultures of that area, they are Mexican families that moved there in the 20th century.

[@RaymondSPuzio]

@@AncientPottery This part of the video piqued my curiosity, so I would like to ask some follow-up questions. Is it known exactly where in northern Mexico they settled? I take it that since you say that they travelled south, there is some archeological evidence indicating this even if the trail soon goes cold. Do you have some references for further reading on this topic?

[@debbralehrman5957]

Thank you I just found your channel. Ok the Algorithm suggested you. It could be the living in Phoenix, or watching history videos. Or maybe watching videos about working with clay. You don't do anything with mummies do you I have been watching those recently and kittens or big cats. Well in any event I am glad they recommended you. Thank you I liked your documentary.

[@AncientPottery]

Well I am grateful to the almighty algorithm. I hope you stick around and subscribe.

[@joshs.6608]

2:52 700-1300 CE is "prehistoric"? When I think of that term, I usually think of Dinosaurs, Not the Medieval time period.

[@AncientPottery]

It depends on where you are in the world. Prehistoric just means a time before written history, so here in America that is before about 1600 when the Europeans arrive with a written language. In other part so the world it is much earlier.

[@sylviabojorquez2662]

En Arizona viviero' se encontró una colonia Dónde vieron' sus casas eran hasta 2 plantas .ver(aventuras del Oeste ) con videos . Fotos

[@AncientPottery]

Thanks, can you provide a link?

[@jimjr4432]

Today, the first time I've seen your videos. Congrats! Very interesting. On thought comes to mind. Your conclusions, since you are not a trained archeologist (I could be very wrong here, my apologies if you are) might not be accepted for some time. I remember that.a meteorologist came up with plate tectonics and geologists shunned that idea for decades. Thanks again, cheers and blessings, Jim

[@AncientPottery]

You are correct, I am not an archaeologist. That is why I can put out ideas like this in videos, blog posts and self published books, because I am not worried about having a paper published. My biggest concern is having my ideas stolen so I put them out there in very public ways like this, then if anyone steals my ideas I can always point to the video and say "I had this idea first". Thanks!

[@makeitkate3240]

Another wonderful video! Is there evidence of written language among these people?

[@AncientPottery]

Unfortunately no written language this far north. Wouldn't that change how we see these people!

[@cherylhager6065]

I have a good idea why!!!

[@AncientPottery]

OK

[@mikefinn]

If the tribe split, it is likely there was a pilgrimage back and forth every few years to visit and catchup on births and deaths. They could have done this for a few generations.

[@AncientPottery]

Yes, very possible scenario

[@vanhorn8766]

Very much enjoyed this video 👍 So many archeologists seem to try and be "politically correct " and the narrative gets frustrating... I totally agree with your simple and forthright presentation... really enjoyed it

[@AncientPottery]

Thank you so much. It seems to me that many things these days, archaeology and history among them, are overly complicated.

[@robmarshallofficial]

Is there a hard copy version of your book?

[@AncientPottery]

No. It’s ebook only

[@robmarshallofficial]

@@AncientPottery that’s a shame, I would have loved a hard copy

[@peterkavanagh64]

No need to find a gold where a leaf with elements of all the elements say hello in minds. This is earth.

[@scotthyde-t9w]

as a Newby to SW history, I am a bit confused about the Anasazi group !! My current understanding is that one would not want to live close to these people !! Slave trade and cannibalism may have been part of their ways !! apparently many types of people have been clumped into this odd group that may have come from Mexico and the Aztec people who practiced these things, which makes some sense to me !! my sense of sorrow for the indigenous folks is substantial and I am hopeful they were able to drive the Anasazi back to Mexico !! Certainly the presence of chocolate and feathers and other things clearly indicate trade happened and if not Aztec in a pure sense, much of that peoples customs were copied and employed on the folks of the SW !! As I learn more, I hope that I can determine which groups of people populated the SW ??

[@AncientPottery]

Probably not as bad as you think. Some of the Anasazi were doing evil (Chaco) but most were just good farmers trying to live their lives and raise their children.

[@scotthyde-t9w]

That’s good to know. Places of Evil or where Evil happened, have a depressing spiritual feel about them. Seems many if not most folks do not feel this. My grandmother and mother, both from Norway, do feel spiritual things. Mom felt a great attraction when in Santa fe, My little sister moved there for several years. I do not get these same sensations but feel its a good idea to stay away from places, perhaps like Chaco ??

[@mihailvormittag6211]

👍

[@randywise5241]

Maybe you only have tracked one family of potters?

[@AncientPottery]

That is definitely a possibility. But after 500 years, one family could represent a sizable population.

[@peterkavanagh64]

The people travel due to wisdom not be due to rout.

[@latetodagame1892]

Build a wall! Sorry, Trump reflex.

[@AncientPottery]

I actually have Trump's wall in one of my videos, this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/qJqmaIh8bbh_qZY

[@peterkavanagh64]

If success brings more people such is what is. Be into massage, touch, where the act of sex is not. But since of love becomes without a child where resources are spent. Be not a hide but transfer to y our impossible hate like a grass uncut.

[@williamkuhns2387]

Phonetically pronounced "muh-gee-own"