Kove's Got Issues - 450 Rally problems

[@Liberty4Ever]

Thanks for putting the Kove 450 Rally through its paces. I fervently hope that the off road oriented Chinese 450 ADV bikes will finally force the big motorcycle manufacturers to sell us the bikes we've begged them to make for over a decade, instead of reluctantly selling us 300 cc "entry level" ADV bikes designed to get us on the upgrade path to their expensive bloated heavy mid size and full size ADV bikes.

[@maxflight777]

this ⬆️⬆️✔️✔️

[@HardRoad2Travel]

Not only to hopefully bring other makers in to the mix, but I wish Kove a lot of success as well, just for being the ones to make this type of bike.

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@HardRoad2Travel - Agreed. In other posts under videos of the Kove 450 Rally and CF Moto 450MT, I've posted "I wish them every success" and expressed hope that they take sales away from the big motorcycle manufacturers that refused to make the lightweight, powerful and off road capable ADV bikes that we begged them to produce for over a decade.

[@mxbadboy263]

I don't understand how a underpowered 450 would make a great ADV bike. My 300l has had zero issues from day one, runs flawless and can hang with these guys on the trails their doing and it only cost me $5,300!

[@Liberty4Ever]

@@mxbadboy263 - You got a good buy on that 300L. A friend finally found a 300L Rally last summer and I think he paid over $7000 for it? I paid $4920 out the door for a new 2019 BMW G310GS in late October of 2020 and it too has been 100% reliable. The three year warranty just elapsed, completely unused. It's never been to the dealer. I do the maintenance myself and it's been cheap to keep. It has way more power than I need off road and just the right amount of power for the back roads where I usually ride. It'll cruise all day at 70 MPH on the highway but it's revved high and is close to max power. If my idea of adventure included more highway riding, I'd want another 15 HP.

[@scottjutson9005]

So pretty much flawless. Signed KTM owner

[@timjrvine]

Hahha. Me too 😊

[@algee8228]

I've only owned two brand new motorcycles in the last 7-8 years, a Honda and a KTM., both 250 4T's. Neither had any issues "out of the box" whatsoever. After a year or so both had some things happen (fyi on the KTM it was a failed ECU made in Japan).

[@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953]

I’ve owned four KTMs since 2007 and NONE of them EVER broke down.

[@domenik8339]

​@@someonethatwatchesyoutube2953You have to ride them to have them break down.

[@frenchonion4595]

It's WAY down on power compared to a ktm thats what they are not mentioning. There is a vid of it being easily over taken by a ktm at Dakar.

[@painsrides3616]

You call those "problems"!!! Ahh....in my day, something had to explode out of the engine and remove a testicle to be called a "problem". Bah, you kids have gone soft... Should I reiterate how many feet of snow I had to walk to school, uphill, both ways in, when I was your age ???

[@TractioneRag]

One of our favourite stories is of Larry Murray carrying chain oil to lube his chain WHILE HE WAS RIDING during a race! Said they just didn't last a whole enduro othewise kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZC3ZWShf9Jghqc

[@painsrides3616]

@@TractioneRag All ball-busting aside... You couldn't have picked a better time to have linked me the video. I'm just coming back after letting my age(56) and fear of injury lull me into a season long slump, that spiraled down until I finally sold my bike and stopped off-road riding. After months off and a lot of soul searching I finally got my head together and grew a bigger set of cohones. I'm ready to get back in action. This video inspired me even further, Thx

[@ogasi1798]

i only wish this was an hour longer 🙂 great stuff, thanks guys - informative, bad maths, dog fights, what's not to love?

[@TractioneRag]

We spent EXACTLY* an hour longer chatting with Chuck here! kzbin.infopFyaI9X0fcM?feature=share *10min math(s) margin of error 🇬🇧 🇨🇦✌️🏍

[@TractioneRag]

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[@ogasi1798]

@@TractioneRag 😉🤣🤣

[@eveRide]

Hey real quick... If you want to disable ABS easily, just pop the seat, open the fuse box, pull thr blue fuse, and it'll never bug you again. (Credit to @dirtbyk ) The blinking heat indicator is maybe like a "this bike is still on" warning? Kinda weird.

[@wonkywheels1037]

These bike will have issues but I'm sure Kove will fix these as they progress. Gee my 22 KTM 890, issues with this bike gives me nightmares.

[@Noastrenght]

One could just add a "add a circuit" fuse into the fuseblock and either repin an existing switch or add a new one to the bar. This way you would not have to jump through the menu hoops to inactivate ABS. Just straight ON/OFF.

[@TractioneRag]

Great tip, consider that done. Thanks. Hope you are feeling better after that Kove rodeo ride. 👍🏻

[@mxbadboy263]

Is anybody listening to this? Just pull a fuse. Just, just a software bug (overheating)! Will no one ever learn that Chinese dirt bikes are junk?

[@jameshatton4211]

@@Noastrenght 100% this guy is on the money 🤑 This solves everything and it then becames a feature too 👍

[@johnculbreth4543]

Maybe the overheating signal is just showing that the gauge is operational. The same as when you turn your car ignition on and all the warning lights are lit!

[@stitchjones7134]

Doesn't matter how good this bike gets, i wont be buying it. CCP products are like exhaust fumes inhaling a certain amount is unavoidable, but ill be damned if I suck on the pipe. Handing over that much money to West Taiwan in one hit doesnt sit well with me.

[@RickGreen_McNutt]

Kove could take one thing from the CRF300L/Rally - there's a button on the dash that you hold for 2 seconds to disable the rear ABS. Yes, it would be nice to be able to set a 'power-on' default, but I think it's a legal requirement that it defaults to on, but having a single button press/hold is much better than having to go through the menu.

[@tom.2900]

I just wish you could disable and enable it while riding! The speedo has to read 0 before it'll change. (CRF)

[@JuChams]

If i'm not making any mistake, Aprilia on the Tuareg 660 found another solution to go around this legal limitation : You can change the riding mode with a simple button, and the off-road mode has the rear abs off by default. And I think I remember from my test ride that when you turn on the bike, it sticks to the last riding mode, therefore needing nothing to keep the ABS off 24/7. That being said, it only takes a small push on a button to change mode and therefore to deactivate the rear ABS, which I didn't found to be that smart has it could be easily done by mistake, like with big gloves on a slippy road during winter. The exact same setting with a validation for the off road mode would be perfect.

[@RickGreen_McNutt]

@@tom.2900Yes, that would be nice.

[@eveRide]

ROFL the dog fights! My bet's on white!

[@inrptn]

Bikes are cool, but I'm mostly here for the dogfighting. But seriously, you guys are doing the Lord's work. Thanks for all the testing and info!

[@dallas_shannon]

😆

[@mxbadboy263]

Awesome comment! And yes this bike is definitely controversial.

[@jeffdavies7584]

I suspect the only real issues with the Kove's was all the Canadian beer.

[@TractioneRag]

🍻🤪

[@ryunruly1227]

I got $10 on the Malinois

[@MrTmax74]

Lol

[@erniemckracken1593]

We don't need no stinking canisters and check valves 🤡

[@ballerblocks]

The heat soaking issues may be because, when you use the red kill switch, you may be disabling the fan from cooling the bike after being switched off.

[@1vmxracer]

I have voiced my opinion about these china-land made bikes and their inherent Unreliability. Buyer BEWARE. These may be simple issues but I think after a year of riding, not only will the bike start suffering from major mechanical issues, but also experience a HUGE drop in resale value. Mark my words.

[@nathanbanks7091]

Idk, the engine in this bike is made in the same factory that builds many different engines for many European motorcycles, including BMW and KTM. The specific engine in this bike is known to be reliable. I, personally, would be more concerned with the knock-off KYB suspension (I would wager my left testical that the suspension design was stolen/reverse engineered KYB. China doesn't innovate technology, it steals it from greedy corporations that move their manufacturing there)

[@OverlandTheSlowWay]

Ah...us old Brits said exactly the same thing about Japanese motorcycles...and we were right...until we weren't. The Kove is better quality and time will show it. I've only ridden 5,000km on mine and it is very robust.

[@Trailfocused]

I set a note in my calendar for December 1st 2024. I’ll let you know after 5k miles, several races, and lots of crashes. I got $250 it’ll be running just fine. You game?

[@mxbadboy263]

Your spot on. These fanatical cool-aid drinkers just can't "Handle the truth"!

[@desertjas]

It will be interesting. I'm just not sure what you'll be comparing to. If it's a KTM 500, with expensive upgrades, severe imbalance due to large desert tank (carried high), I would bet you'll see a similar depreciation. So if it proves to be reliable and keeps doing what it is doing for those seeking this type of bike, you may see both brands/bikes dropping $3-4k in value. So yes, the Kove would drop a higher percentage. But the cost to own may be similar, with a bike that handles better out of the box (literally), at an entry point that is 2/3 the KTM that really wasn't built for this use. Go into ADV bikes--way more weight, less offroad capability. Rally Replica...yeah, that will lose the depreciation argument. Just as these guys are looking at the great range offered, this bike fills a specific gap not found elsewhere.

[@davidmatthews3093]

It’s a bit unfair when you are listing the fuel leaks as a fault when both were down to your messing with the bike.

[@TractioneRag]

Agree. We are not pointing fingers at Kove but do want potential first time consumers to see what we experienced. Turns out the fuel overflow IS an issue others have had on unmodified bikes, but we didn't know that when producing the vid.

[@JIMWSMITH]

What makes me laugh here the issues Otherthan the dash temp were caused by the technician 😂 and if this bike was a suzuki, honda , yamaha this video wouldn't be taking place , all because its Chinese, and we must find faults.

[@mxbadboy263]

Faults come pre-installed on all Chinese motorcycles 😂

[@LCARSADV]

That ABS annoyance is on my KTM 390 as well, super annoying, but it's not just Kove. I kinda wonder if it's a safety thing for the road? Not sure about the overheating, I never experienced that and I rode it in 100 plus degrees. As far as all these first year blips go, it's really not too bad. No engines are seizing or major issues. I can recall KTM and Beta having some major issues over the years. No bike is perfect of course, but I think Kove is on to something great and it's only going to get better.

[@TractioneRag]

From what we understand it's a road-legal requirement (even though the Kove are in a legal grey-area for the moment, depending on where you live...)

[@LCARSADV]

@@TractioneRag probably why they are going for 50 state legal…

[@dallas_shannon]

Great comment. Completely agree that all of these issues are minor considering that this bike went from clay to production in the last few years. EVERY first gen complicated mechanical thing has issues.

[@russpaton8877]

It's a legal requirement for ABS to default on in much of the world

[@briangc1972]

Set up your short cut switches to turn off ABS and MTC; easy peasy takes 5 seconds to turn them off.

[@Bfalco71]

You guys obviously like Honda? Why not get the 450L and put bigger tanks on them?

[@TractioneRag]

We talk about exactly that here... kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmjZdmSOZdiHrqc

[@mrjay4000]

KOVE is building a new 2024 Dakar bike, 450 Ralley EX, which has 11 more ponies(65) 5 more ft lbs torque & is 38lbs lighter. Why? Because they finished Dakar but now really want to win. This hp is where it should be. Apparently, they can be ordered with only a production run of 50 at 2.5 times the price of the current base model

[@mxbadboy263]

This Dakar thing proves nothing. Let's see the bikes they ran in the race up close.

[@AA-wd2or]

I hope you will push Kove 450 even more in future.

[@mxbadboy263]

No hoping to it. It us written in the heavens!

[@AA-wd2or]

@@mxbadboy263 then just Amen 😄 and god bless you !

[@MotoSly]

So the bike has no problems.😊

[@TractioneRag]

The only real problem is the console overheating warning error. That isn't even a big problem. Likely solved by a software/firmware update?

[@grego10r]

i take kove over the ktm anytime. this r miner problems the bike is new so give it time they will mske it right

[@StepaenLittle]

Well as someone that owns a Kove 450 but in Ontario though. I have had the same issues as you have, minor at best. The other issue I have had but user error was if the vent lines get kinked after refuelling you will get a low fuel indicator. The only complaint I have is the choppy throttle and lack of low end grunt, but I am coming from an enduro background. I was informed that there is an update that should fix the choppy throttle? Question though, Chuck said he removed two evaporators? I only saw one by the skid plate, where is the other one? Thanks

[@mikebennett9168]

This review seems a bit harsh. Every bike I know of resets the ABS and other settings when the key is turned off. It's annoying but understandable, you have to make everything idiot proof these days. I actually don't mind this. Let's say I was off road last weekend and had the ABS and traction control off. This weekend I take off on a street ride and some muppet pulls out in front of me. If I have forgotten to turn the ABS back on I will probably become a hood ornament. What if the pavement is wet and I have forgotten that the traction control is off, I hit the throttle in a corner a little too hard expecting the bike to compensate and the rear passes the front of the bike? I would rather be annoyed at resetting it after turning the key off. As far as the "oil leak" one should go over all of the fasteners on a new bike before they jump on and take off. I am sure this happens with all manufacturers. It is usually caught when the dealership assembles them and checks everything. The heat sensor is only telling you what is actually happening, it isn't a glich at all. Turn the engine off and stop circulating the coolant and the temp goes up for a while. Turn it off with the key and it will still happen, you just won't know about it. If a couple of fluid leaks is all that went wrong on a brand new model of bike then KOVE did an outstanding job! I mean look at all of problems the KTM 790 had at first. I mean, one must spend about 2 grand on a CRF450RL to make it ridable out of the box. We have been buying KLR's, DR's and XR's for decades with know problems much worse than a fuel leak that we must fix. In my book, if this is the worst of the problems then they did a fantastic job! I am going to look into buying one! I am going to look at the low seat version. What a brilliant idea! Do you know if anyone has done a ride review on that model?

[@Retrotrials]

It's supposed to do that !. Anther clickbait title. I'm noticing a lot more clickbait titles in recent weeks. These guys number one priority is getting likes for cash rather than actually producing a video of any significance at all. So basically we're all being spammed

[@TractioneRag]

These last couple Kove videos have been FAR more informational than our usual drivel about chickens and chainsaws 😅 Drop by some time, we're earning just enough KZbin cash to take you out for a dine-n-dash🍻(p.s. That '72 Bultaco is👌)

[@kurtg5645]

I have some thoughts of the over heat problem described in the last bit of the video. I don't think that is a bug, the thing is, when you depress the kill switch, it also disconnects the fan power( may be because of laws and regulations?) . So if you ride it pretty hard and come to a sudden stop, I guess they want the fan running until it can make sure the temp is low enough with out it. I would say that flashing over heat dial is a reminder, they could have done it better tho.

[@theravedaddy]

Has anyone even mentioned WTF is an oil cooler doing down there where all the rocks be at?

[@TractioneRag]

It's pretty damn low yes, but it's covered by the carbon fibre skid plate which seems pretty stout sofar.

[@mxbadboy263]

The skid plate is a joke. Doesn't mount to the frame rails and the exhaust and oil cooler are one log crossing away from being smashed.

[@theravedaddy]

@@TractioneRag its still a candidate for a long walk home tho, i think id carry a tube nut connector to bridge it out if it got ruptured.

[@drewiliffe4855]

I do not believe it to be a software issue. When you are moving the cooling system is operating to keep the coolant at the normal temperature. Now that you have stopped there is nothing to cool the coolant so it increases in temperature for a short while and then begins to cool. This is completely normal.

[@philipmannino6689]

Why would you buy these what worked in the past should work in the future

[@trainwreck109]

Yes, 15 seconds is a long time. First world problems.

[@TractioneRag]

😁😁

[@daemn42]

FWIW, my Triumph Tiger (and probably various other ADV bikes) has the same annoying reset to ABS on behavior with key off, so I stop it with the kill switch (and then forget that the kill switch is off), or just stall it and then know I'm not going to roll away. The coolant temp thing does seem to be a glitch. I wonder if it happens if you stall it instead of using the kill switch.

[@SH976]

I have triumph trident 660 bought 6 weeks ago. found quite a few bolts that wasn't tighten to spec even with the top steering yoke bolts was only lightly lightly tighten.

[@wolfgangjeschke1351]

This bike is not an ENDURO, neither a DUAL sport bike. It is a nice cheap chinese copy of the KTM 450 RFR Rally bike. :-) Would be nice to see a comparison...

[@mxbadboy263]

Amen! Your being generous calling it a "nice" Chinese copy.

[@mkkiloma3991]

The KTM 450 Rally costs four times what it Kove. Only 80 were made. And you can't get it road legal in the Eu

[@fmacdonald3559]

Came for the bikes stayed for the dogs :)

[@MrViuh]

If these are the "issues".. then nothing serious.

[@TractioneRag]

Yes sir.

[@wranglertr]

Never had any issue with my Japanese bikes.

[@mxbadboy263]

Me either.

[@dvx3700]

Chinese KTM lol

[@MrKips1]

Chinese junk. Good luck with the resale...

[@damienpugh1777]

can you please explain to me why re sale value is so important...... if i buy something i usaully ride or drive till it cant anymore.............or is it a keeping up with the jones thing?

[@mxbadboy263]

Just watched a video where a Kove owner is already having fuel guage sender problems. Koves own US website states that the rally is a "closed competition motorcycle only and cannot be legaly ridden on public off road areas(California). Also this is imported as a dirt bike and absolutely will not be able to be licensed for the street in most states. So much for being a Dual Sport. "Just, just a software bug"!

[@aGentleUser]

This ABS reset stuff is a problem of many modern motorcycles. I guess there is some market homologation demanding that the ABS automaticaly switches on.

[@TractioneRag]

Yes, seems to be a lawyer piece for the potential of street legality

[@richardsimpson3792]

@@TractioneRag It's so you don't sue the manufacturer if you forget to turn the ABS on, then crash. See also retracting side-stands, permanently lit headlamps etc etc. Don't blame the manufacturers, blame idiots owners and the legal profession.

[@crazyosva]

My KTM 790 Adventure R stays always rear off if demanded, so maybe not homologation? @@TractioneRag

[@larsborgman3443]

@@TractioneRag Exactly, in the EU the law states that it must go back to normal mode every time. We have the same with start stop in cars, you can turn it off but it will reset itself everytime you turn the key

[@jameshatton4211]

Just physically disable the ABS (you can unplug what ever modulates the breaking) fixed. Then you can turn the key off and when it resets just ignore it. Problem solved with everything else then, right? No need to wait for a software fix either 👍

[@dirtrider17]

If you want to defeat the ABS so it never engages, just mount both sensors on the same ABS ring either front or rear. Both sensors will always be at the same speed and no one will die on a scary down hill because they forgot to turn it off.

[@Trailfocused]

I pulled the fuse the first hour I owned it. Then I removed the front ABS wire and ring. No one needs abs on this bike

[@dirtrider17]

If the rest of the bike still works, then perfect! Cant do that on the KTM 790. @@Trailfocused

[@jerryglasow513]

What I did on my 2022 G310GS might work: I put a kill switch on my rear ABS sensor. During startup diagnostics, it defaults to ABS on in the front and ABS off in the back. If I'll be doing a lot of time on pavement, I flip the switch to on so I have full front and rear ABS.

[@jerryglasow513]

Interesting hypothesis; have you tested it? If ABS detects 0 MPH on both sensors, it might think both tires are locked up in a skid and release all brakes until the wheels start rolling again.

[@Trailfocused]

@@jerryglasow513 if you reply is directed at my comment, yes I tested it. 500 miles of pure abuse with the fuse taken out. Even removed the front ABS wire and ring.

[@scannorse]

Do they just invent "problems"....or ? ABS ? 25 times ?fx. Pull the fuse, and you newer have to turn off abs again

[@scottgoodwins]

33% of the time it works 66% of time🤣

[@PhilG221]

KTM, a brand known for reliability. China, a country know for manufacturing high quality reliable products. I don’t see the problem? 😏

[@sohanamin1228]

Can you try out the new Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 when it comes out?

[@TractioneRag]

Would love to.

[@mortaygo1]

So.... you created the fuel leaks ... and didn't pre delivery check the bike

[@victorsturdivant4731]

Sounds like every other "New" bike I've ever owned, ( and after 55 years of riding there's been many).

[@tbank86q]

Awesome vid! Great info!

[@chrisa7237]

Oh no....not a leaking oil banjo. 😋 The leaking fuel issue was down to you?? ABS - same as lots of bikes...work-arounds will turn up. Software...that'll probably evolve with time. Crack on in my view. I haven't heard the word 'terminal'. All good info though 👌

[@TractioneRag]

😅 As usual it's an issue with the nut that connects the seat to the handlebars.

[@robocombo]

They're basically unrideable... best give them to me 😊

[@DanWolk-zo5kf]

I got a thread on gpx on a well known site. This is at least my 12th "import" I can report back after some mic measurements VS torque values concerning the forks. Keep up the dream..good job. Buy still a slapped together bike like any big 4 bike. But thus is gigh grad bikes and need high grade pdi and maintenance. Good job buddy

[@BrianDoherty-e8s]

Always best to let someone else be the "early adopter" and find out that sum ting wong. Too many variable to judge quality over the short run. Metal quality, engineering, tolerances that might be bad won't be apparent right away. Look at some 50-year-old Hondas that still run well. The test of time tells the story.

[@mxbadboy263]

Yep, I believe all these Koves will be junk in a year.

[@nickfindsgold9788]

So its better than Boeing then ? Check ya bolts are tight kiddies

[@nativejuicevapors]

So buy a tenere they cost the same

[@dallas_shannon]

Very different bikes.

[@mxbadboy263]

I agree. Or DRZ400 at $7,000 msrp or a DR650 at $6,900 msrp. I guarantee I can go anywhere these guys are riding on my DRZ and never ever have I had an issues with it from the day I bought it.

[@usuariouser224]

Thanks. Do you recommend me to buy this bike?😅😊

[@nickfry7705]

Love the Y2K advert vids. I'd forgotten all about that😂.

[@kolour7611]

No thanks. No china motorcycles, not for me

[@ozadv]

great review - subscribed ;) can't wait to get these bikes into Oz..

[@scottrat3537]

so out of all that! it is actually F all?? problems

[@carni6319]

So one issue. That's not bad.

[@33barranch]

you spent 3 minutes on a loose banjo bolt

[@izom]

...chinese crap with bullsh.t electronics- how i love my 03 adventure and 00 rally ktm

[@Trailfocused]

Those are cool relics of the past. Back when KTM cared about making rally bikes.

[@sburns2421]

Surprisingly minor issues for such a new bike.

[@TractioneRag]

Agreed. This could be a keeper.

[@mxbadboy263]

I don't agree. My 300l and DRZ have had zero issues from the get go.

[@sburns2421]

@@mxbadboy263 You might not be the target customer, but I'm sure Kove will get a few new owners that expect no niggles. They will consume 90% of customer service's time.

[@mxbadboy263]

@@sburns2421 The customer base imo will be small for this bike. Most riders understand that Chinese dirt bikes are built cheap.

[@sburns2421]

@@mxbadboy263It is a paradox for Kove really. If they are successful, I would think it would simple enough for Honda or KTM to make a version (at higher cost) and many people would pay the extra for an established brand. If they sell in the hundreds not thousands, they remain a niche brand that many assume are cheap junk. I don't think the Kove is junk (Jimmy Lewis, former Cycle World editor and Dakar rider has extensively tested the bike and praised it...mostly). I also think it was clearly built to a price. Not for someone who doesn't like tinkering with their machine, and takes it to a dealer to have the blinker fluid changed.

[@przemot9579]

"overheating" message when killswitch is pressed it's not a glitch. It's just a sign that you have killswitch pressed... Do you remember older suzuki bikes? When you pressed killswitch you had "check" "error" on the dashboard - that not an error nor glitch. Its just a design they wanted it. Same for Kove. Peace!

[@StepaenLittle]

Well as someone that owns a Kove 450 but in Ontario though. I have had the same issues as you have, minor at best. The other issue I have had but user error was if the vent lines get kinked after refuelling you will get a low fuel indicator. The only complaint I have is the choppy throttle and lack of low end grunt, but I am coming from an enduro background. I was informed that there is an update that should fix the choppy throttle? Question though, Chuck said he removed two evaporators? I only saw one by the skid plate, where is the other one? Thanks

[@Trailfocused]

I solved a bunch of the throttle issue by adjusting the throttle cables, they were super loose from the factory. I never rode it with the emission stuff, that got removed ASAP. It has a little studder on 1/8 throttle but nothing worse than a brand new 501/501.

[@lolbruah]

You‘re the ideal candidat for a Jordan Peterson voice imitator ;)

[@TractioneRag]

Damn Canadians...

[@lolbruah]

@@TractioneRag „Damn Canadians, they‘ve ruined Canada!“ 😂

[@dontlike7399]

that video was hilarious. loved it!!!

[@TractioneRag]

Everyone is talking about the stupid bike. NOBODY is talking about Dark Helmet. ⚫🤖⚔️

[@clemenswyss8]

Hi Dallas, Chuck and Aquaman, is there an update planned to this episode (incl canandian backyard dog fighting)? I am really interested how your three Kove's are doing. Thx in advance Clemens

[@aqeeqansari]

Nice vid. The issue of resetting ABS persists in all Kove motorcycles. I think they need to be forced to get a programmer to fix the issue. Just some registers to hold the last settings. I've been on some sketchy areas where I almost killed myself because I forgot to turn off ABS after turning the motorcycle switch on again

[@quattrobajeena8954]

Every manufacturer does that because there are laws forcing them to do so. Fortnine's vid made a great point---forgetting to turn *OFF* ABS when off-road is way more dangerous than forgetting turn *ON* ABS when on-road.

[@aqeeqansari]

@@quattrobajeena8954 yeah but should be an option when supplying

[@TractioneRag]

That's what we've learned sofar, it's a requirement for them to be considered legal for the street. Ryan @FortNine is a good guy.👍🏍

[@mkkiloma3991]

These have been surprisingly good and reliable now with longer experience. You have to remember the price category! You won't get any other 450 rally at this money. In the EU, these come throttled to 41hp. You have to change the ecu + exhaust pipe + and airbox to get the full 54hp KTM's quality, on the other hand, has decreased since they moved production to India

[@TerraRiderAdventures]

Well on my 2017 Africa Twin, you had to also every single time switch off the ABS. Honda has many years of experience and decided to roll out that way. Then they fixed it on newer bikes but never on the 2017. That was annoying too. It is not only Kove.

[@sebastianschmitt4772]

Whoulkd have lovedd a version withoput computer and a more simpel cockpit with less software. Still seam to be a good bike.

[@VUO4E]

What you call a software 'glitch' or 'bug' for the temp gauge is a very logical and simple effect. I'll give you a hint: the dash read the sensor correctly. There is no glitch, no bug.

[@sicks6six]

Honda make the XL 600 again but it's not sold in many countries which is odd. One of their best bikes being remade but not being sold to the people who need and want it.

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

I had problems with 30,000 new motorcycles, and AGREE , on a new bike before you ride it check every nut and bolt you can .

[@massdrivemoto]

As far the ABS resetting evey time you star the bike...... Due to consumer liability issues all manufacturers reset ABS systems when bikes restart. Unfortunately this is the way. Just like installing 4 seperate engine kill switches is supposed to protect the stupid people......... 🤔 ???

[@TractioneRag]

Yes that's what we've been hearing. Lawyers drooling on actuarial tables.

[@TractioneRag]

That sounds like Honda made a MUCH more user-friendly solution.

[@elderTron]

@@TractioneRag The active ABS is mandatory in EU, and it resets on every bike here when your restart your bike. Maybe Kove did this to avoid having two separate manufacturing lines for EU and US/Canada bikes.

[@trainwreck109]

You can’t complain if you had issues if you changed the factory settings.

[@ruigodas]

Hello, I've been watching a lot of videos, images and I went to see it live at EICMA. I'm still not convinced. I have a Crf300l and love it, but I needed a little more engine power. TFT also seems to me to be in the wrong place, where do I put my Garmim XT?

[@bobjohnson7207]

That's why we called them idiot lights back in the day. Only Aqua Man could figure it out.

[@briangc1972]

The ABS reset is courtesy of the legal department. They don't want someone crashing because they forgot to turn ABS on when they got back on the street.

[@EngineerK]

Pretty minor teething problems. The abs thing is present in the KTM's but there is a dongle to solve it. Hopefully they address that one but I suspect its a legal issue to get the bike into North America. I am waiting for long term engine performance, any cracking of frames etc. Keep flogging fellas and get back to us!

[@883r_project5]

Video molto interessante! Non sono ancora un possessore di kove450, ma mi sto informando qua e là! Per risolvere il “problema” ABS, ovviamente se si fa molto fuoristrada, si può rimuovere il fusibile dell’abs, così che ad ogni accensione non si inserisca! Ovviamente se poi si fa molta strada in autostrada conviene rimetterli, ma in fuoristrada basta rimuoverli 👍🏻

[@ktkace]

THats quality info and doggos!!! NAISE PS> those WHS inserts are GOLD

[@willgixer750]

This seemed to sort of just end, lol Pretty minor issues really, had many a vehicle with more issues than that from new.

[@wsmithe2209]

Haters will hate, exaggerate and amplify problems x10 times. People used to make fun of Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s. Nowadays, Japanese cars are on the best top selling list. Everyone wants to buy one.

[@TractioneRag]

I hope you saw our review, not just this video.

[@SnowBikeNation]

I just removed the fuse for the ABS and solved the problem. When riding on Dirt Roads all day no big deal.

[@TractioneRag]

Beauty tip.

[@yorkchris10]

Kove 3Dog tuners add ABS button and pocket tank.

[@WarrenHobb]

Is the temp problems related to the fact the coil is powered up while ignition is on maybe heat warning due to coil being hot burning out i was told never to leave ignition on due to burning out the coil ??? Just a stab in the dark tbh but never know 😊

[@larsihle9256]

I've been a professional auto master tech for 30 years and can tell you no manufacturer monitors coil temp. Fact is as mentioned in other posts that ALL engines spike coolant temp when turned off. Completely normal. More likely is Kove has set the overheat warning at too low a temp and or not buffered the warning to flashing when it shouldn't.

[@WarrenHobb]

@@larsihle9256 fair point i did say it was a stab in the dark an I understand what you mean no water pump no water circulation therefore cause heat spot nice diagnosis Dr

[@russpaton8877]

How many KM on them now Chuck/Dallas?

[@baltazarfrezze6091]

Do you recomend it as a rally Race bike?

[@troymarcus5168]

perfect bike only pre delivery issues :)

[@trainwreck109]

You got an overheating warning because you kept hitting the self-destruct button? Wow!!! That is their fault for sure.

[@TractioneRag]

😂👍🏻

[@pinkie87]

The oilleak should be fixable for any future bikes, if this is a widespread problem. If your fuel leak is, would have been nice do declare, if you deleted the canister or not. The problem with the ABS is sadly widespread everywhere. Don't know, why they can't have an option in the software, where you can setup up how the ABS should start. Maybe with a little reminder every start and a few menus where you declare, that the manufacturer is not liable for any accidents with this setting in that way. With the temperature it is not a software bug, the display is showing exactly what the sensor is reading. When I stop the engine on an Tenere700, because I want to roll down a hill, as long as the engine is not circulating the coolant, the temperature will rise because of the heat in the engine. Nothing to worry about anything there. But nice video :)

[@TractioneRag]

Tks. We were given a fix for the ABS

[@richardvalitalo3670]

"We're being super careful" lol

[@philiparmstrong6401]

clever edits and "content" ! LOL great work boys, just SUB scribed too

[@TractioneRag]

Thanks for the sub!

[@JohnWick-lh9gn]

This is helpful to Kove. They are a new company and some adjustments with the help of the motorcycle community, for sure they will listen. Its a start.

[@TractioneRag]

Thank you. We did our best to be honest and fair. None of the things we mention are show stoppers.

[@davidmallia628]

So it is a new model, and has teething issues. What was not said is, is it really better than the competition, to even bother with. Seems people are liking it, and see the problems as a natural, easy fix, progression.

[@TractioneRag]

We've talked about what it compares to - which wasn't as obvious as we first thought! If you've got time, kick back and watch our chat from last week: kzbin.infopFyaI9X0fcM?si=_iEUMU_wF-pPcDtU&t=1583

[@doonesburyband]

i still have that calculator

[@devonbikefilms]

Someone needs a kickstart, drum brakes and points ignition😂😂😂😂

[@TractioneRag]

😅🏍 Us young'ns are spoilt for sure. We'll bring over Paul & Larry to straighten us out kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZC3ZWShf9Jghqc

[@Conradrn]

Traction eRag dual sport adventure, sounds awesome.....

[@TractioneRag]

Workin' on it... 📝🗺