Trail vs Enduro Mountain Bikes: The Ultimate Test!

[@leeretaschen231]

At minimum, you should have an XC bike, a trail bike, and an enduro bike. If you want to really enjoy the sport, you should add a downcountry bike and a trailduro bike as well. - the bike industry

[@JaredHoff]

@@leeretaschen231 😂 yeah for sure the Bike industry man I mean, if we’re all sponsored riders or if we work at a bike shop and get the bikes for dirt cheap then sure let’s try and have every bike because we’re gonna be able to get stoked and go ride all the trailsbut for the majority of us that happy medium like is truly all we need in my humble opinion, of course

[@mikestivers8302]

there's nothing wrong with having 5 bikes, if your budget allows.

[@leeretaschen231]

@@mikestivers8302 You forgot to close with… - the bike industry

[@jornmulder]

you forgot the e-bike ;)

[@TheTote92]

Totally agree 💯 ​@@JaredHoff

[@stephenscering1776]

Having 2 bikes for me is to be able to ride when one of them is broken. But definitely agree with nobody really needs an Enduro unless your fly high and dropping huge!

[@JaredHoff]

@@stephenscering1776 that’s a great reason to keep both, and there are definitely times that it’s nice to have the enduro 170mm suspension

[@travelthenarrowtrail8660]

Yeah totally! Plus it gives you something to ride for other categories of riding too. Good comment!

[@ryanthompson1442]

Have a really well set up yt izzo (130/130mm) with really good suspension nut even better drivetrain got a second front wheel so I have a downcountry setup and I swap the front wheel and I have a more trail/downhill setup. Just picked up a 2018 giant reign for $800 with way more budget parts for the few times a month I need a 170/160 travel bike.

[@hariwhitportal5387]

I agree , have a back up bike.

[@martineide5564]

same here, alot comes to not having tons of downtime

[@petrokemikal]

You genuinely hit the nail on the head.. The reality of it is, 95% of the bikes actually sold, will never see enough hard abuse to actually justify there lineage... If you watch certain channels, I wont mention names... They will make videos like, why you need a downhill bike, or why you need this or that, and these tyres,and this suspension... 6 years ago I wanted a freeride bike.. Hell yeah, I can do drops and be a blatant hooligan.. So I sold my perfectly capable and franky the only bike I needed Orange 5 all mountain or [trail bike] in todays market.. Now I go on leisurly bike rides and im sweating, Ive never used the freeride capabiities of the bike, I dont even live in a country with a mountain over 3,000 feet elevation... No hardcore courses, all just leisurly trail rides and a couple of bike parks that my orange 5 could have easily handled.. I got suckered by the marketing and bike forums...

[@JaredHoff]

@@petrokemikal for sure 👍 you said it right

[@MrKing1961]

this is the best bike test to help lots of people with a bike purchase, thank you for taking the time to help others, God bless✌👋👋💥💥

[@JaredHoff]

@@MrKing1961 thank you for the awesome comment 👍

[@richardbranton190]

Thanks for the video my friend I've been away from biking for 30 years and wow has things changed. My Dr told me I needed to get an exercise bike and put in my living room and I said why not get a real bike and get out and have some fun. You've sold me on the trail bike 👍

[@JaredHoff]

@@richardbranton190 awesome! I am getting a Polygon Siskiu T7 to review soon. It’s a great value trail bike. Same as T9 just way more affordable

[@jeffparris7726]

Same same and same

[@averagebikeski]

My Stumpy Evo probably gives me juuust the right amount of suspension travel at 160/150mm, but the weight and tires slow me down big time on the climb compared to when I had a regular Stumpjumper. I'll take my Evo!

[@JaredHoff]

@@averagebikeski 👍

[@RJSOBO88]

Stumpy evo is all the arrows and the quiver. Bike parks ✅ gnarly chunk✅ flow trails✅ long climbs✅ versatility in one bike✅

[@JaredHoff]

@@RJSOBO88 nice 👍

[@FreeRideMadu]

Hello Jared, thankyou very much for this comparison. Iam from Germany and started with this sport just last year. I also decided to go with a trail bike with the same travel as yours and it was the best choice. It is actually trail e-bike. It is more than enough and nice to climb for daily riding and local trails. Once a month we go to bikeparks and for that purpose I have a dh bike. So well equipped. Some of my friends have enduro bikes for local trails and their forks almost never get more used than my 150mm. Thankyou again for this great comparison.

[@JaredHoff]

@@FreeRideMadu thanks for leaving a comment. I agree that 150mm fork handles 90% of the riding we do.

[@benjy288]

I ride bike parks in NZ all the time, I used to have a 150 rear 160 front trek slash enduro bike a few years ago, recently I switched to a 120 rear 130 front, 67.3 head angle merida one twenty trail bike and find it much more fun to ride, its so much fun to corner on, its agile and poppy, plus stable at speed, the shorter travel means you can feel more small trail features that you wouldn't feel on a bigger travel bike, and the funny thing is I can still ride steep double blacks on it, and I can still keep up with my brother on his 160 rear 170 front trek slash, and we're pretty much the same skill level, but you do have to get your suspension spot on due to the fact that you haven't got much of it to play with.

[@JaredHoff]

@@benjy288 nice 👍

[@reuterindustries8240]

A thumbs up for the frustration I felt for you when the clock didn’t work, and you went back down!

[@JaredHoff]

@@reuterindustries8240 😂 that was definitely frustrating. I don’t like to keep my GoPro running or I could have used the timing on it. I had fun making this video though. I wish these trails weren’t covered in snow RN

[@JohnPatton-ki8wg]

Lots of folks are going with a short travel trail bike 120/130 and when they want to go XC switch out the wheels and tires to lighter wheels and XC tires for a one bike solution

[@JaredHoff]

@@JohnPatton-ki8wg that’s a great option! Wheels make such a big difference.

[@deanemberley2333]

Not everyone wants a Short Travel Bike on rough steep trails. Get a Grip dude.

[@neodurden6793]

​@@deanemberley2333thing is, lots of people do not live up mountains. Hence not needing more than 140mm...

[@jimmykatsaounis3476]

Honestly you are bang on I have been sizing down on my suspension . Awesome vid

[@JaredHoff]

@@jimmykatsaounis3476 thanks 🙏🏻

[@sunshowerpainting1]

Thank you for making this informative video. It has helped me in my search for the best off road bike for me.

[@JaredHoff]

@@sunshowerpainting1 so glad to have helped. Thank you for letting me know. That’s what it’s all about 👍

[@scottbriggs884]

So many people "over" bike. I have always thought this. I love my down country bike. Not that I am fast but I am often beating people down the descents on my 120/120 bike. Bigger travel is often more comfortable but is only faster on the truly extreme trails.

[@JaredHoff]

@@scottbriggs884 I just took this T9 “Trail” bike to the Downhill bike park. Riding with guys on DH bikes. Handled everything great 👍 video coming soon on that one…

[@Chan1881]

My wife and I have settled on both an XC and a trail bike. The XC bikes are full suspension “race XC” bikes so they are light and very fast. The trail bikes are lighter weight, mid-powered e-bikes (Fuel EXe, which many people run with a 160mm fork), which makes them even more different from the XC bikes. They really open up a bunch of trails for us, as we’re not as winded going uphill and the extra weight adds to the stability downhill.

[@JaredHoff]

@@Chan1881 sounds like a good set of bikes to own 👍

[@hardmtnbiker]

I have trail hardtail bikes that really handle my local trails well. The only times I feel underbiked are the longer sections of chucks and braking bump sections. I have been considering a full suspension trail bike but honestly I would probably build it up with a light parts spec, 150/140 and wider Stan’s Baron CB7 i35 carbon rims or We are One i33 carbon rims and 2.5/2.6 tire combo. I really think people undervalue the stability advantages of wider rims and tires.

[@parkinkevin]

Finally someone that understands, reviewing different bikes on different tyres is pointless. Top man! 👍👍👍

[@JaredHoff]

@@parkinkevin thank you!

[@FreshYoungDude]

Cool idea, appreciate the effort with your content!

[@JaredHoff]

@@FreshYoungDude thank you

[@SwaggyCheeseDog]

I have a rockhopper for my first bike. I just ordered a Stumpjumper and I am excited to ride it

[@JaredHoff]

@@SwaggyCheeseDog nice 👍

[@PrisonerNChristJesus]

Thanks for the practical video. Reasonable and wise info is much appreciated

[@JaredHoff]

@@PrisonerNChristJesus thank you for the kind words 👍 truly appreciate it!

[@travelthenarrowtrail8660]

It's funny how the industry moves the goal post. Now 140 - 150mm of travel is called "trail". The Yeti sb150 used to be called enduro. We just threw out the term all mountain, when a 140-145 bike used to be considered all mountain. Now the SB160 is called Enduro. Now enduro bikes go up to 180mm, which used to be downhill bikes. Now downhill bikes are anything over 200mm of travel. Cross country used to be 100mm - 120mm but now 120-130mm is called "down country". I have found that 140-160 is a good place to have an all day one bike for anything. The limit is 160 as they can either get too heavy and really long and the limit is 140 as it can be thrown off lines easily and get out of control. You want faster climbing, go below 140mm of travel. You want more ability to smash rocks and huck to flat, then stay at 160 or higher. But what do you find yourself riding all the time? Then buy for that. Or as some do, get two bikes N+1bikes...

[@JaredHoff]

@@travelthenarrowtrail8660 for sure! A lot of valid points. If I could only choose one it would be a 140 travel bike with a 150 or 160mm fork and adjustable geo designed to let me mullet it if I wanted to.

[@travelthenarrowtrail8660]

@@JaredHoff Sounds like you would love the new Ibis Ripley. It has a flip chip for mullet and has 130mm rear travel and can run a 150mm fork. I thought of the Yeti SB140 but you can't mullet that bike. It's still a super amazing bike though. If I was to rate the top 3, I would put the Pivot switchblade at 1, best in climbing, sporty and nimble, 2 Yeti SB140, amazing climber with Switch Infinity, race designed geo, bike carries speed like no other, also sporty; and 3 the new Ibis Ripley - great climber, DW link suspension, easy to lift off the ground, playful, poppy, sporty feeling. If you are going to do park riding, chances are you will be doing lift service so climbing isn't an issue and a 170-180mm enduro bike is the choice.

[@Gusacu88]

Good comment. I ride enduro in locals trails and have a downhill for mountain and parks. But i really good like to have just one bike for all. Maybe your suggestion 140-160 is a good option

[@JaredHoff]

@@Gusacu88 for sure 👍 I’m currently looking for that type of bike as well.

[@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy]

I've got a Pivot Switchblade coming. Kind of combination Trail/Enduro. I've got a couple blown out discs in my back and a torn shoulder, so I need the little extra cush in the suspension. Otherwise I'm not going. That rocky descent would kill me. No thanks to that. Give me smooth packed clay, please. Still fun to ride on some trails, through the woods though.

[@JaredHoff]

@@Clint_the_Audio-Photo_Guy heck yeah 👍 I’m currently looking at a bike with 141mm rear travel and a 150 or 160mm fork. True all mountain do it all 🤘

[@luisromero9507]

I have a 150mm trail hardtail with a fox 36 (Trek Roscoe 7 23') for my local trails and a 170mm-160mm enduro bike with a zeb fork (23' rocky mountain altitude) for the mountain trails here in Alberta, Canada and I think this is the best combination for the places where I ride and my riding style. I guess it depends where and how you ride your bike or bikes.

[@JaredHoff]

@@luisromero9507 location and riding style definitely matters 👍🤘

[@matejkulas5656]

Thank you buddy. Great content!

[@JaredHoff]

@@matejkulas5656 thank you 🙏🏻

[@Whoadayson]

Its nice to hear someone admit the heavy bias involved in judging bikes! Its ok as long as were honest about it mostly with ourselves! This applies to all facets of life! Thanks for the video! Polygon do seem to be a good mid budget option!

[@JaredHoff]

@@Whoadayson thanks for the feedback! Appreciate it 👍

[@deanmcphee6663]

Awesome vid! It was surprising to see such similar times on the downhill! I'm convinced trail bikes are the perfect bike for most trails with the ability to climb efficiently and descend fast and with good control

[@JaredHoff]

@@deanmcphee6663 for sure 👍 trail bikes for the win. I still love my enduro, but if I could only choose one it would be a trail bike like the T9

[@thebdceigal]

Great video I have an “all mountain” 150/160 e-bike, just got in to MTB, but have been thinking of picking up an analogue bike as well that is lighter. After watching this I’m leaning towards the trail bike.

[@JaredHoff]

@@thebdceigal I think a trail bike and that e-bike would make for a good set of MTBs 🤘👍

[@4Rracing]

Great topic, I’m researching if replace my trail bike with Enduro. But after boosting and adding a 29”in front it does incredible. If trail is chunky the larger suspension will soak it up and save your body on fatigue and make a safer more planted grip and safer fun ride over te trail bike. For more in-depth comparison of time/speed climbing, I suggest that you watch/include your heart rate . I am in the same boat, I started with 2018 Hightower 27+ tire trail bike , 135rear/150front but I boosted it to 150/160front and added a 29front wheel , and I ride as fast as a guy on enduro bike with same travel but just finished 1:20 faster on our last stage5 Enduro race. If you just riding easy green/blue trails , a trail bike is enough and lighter. Though keep in mind that Geo’s have improved greatly year to now 2023-24 . Now go do that again with trail bike first😅.

[@JaredHoff]

@@4Rracing nice 👍 thanks for the feedback and details in that comment.

[@marklouieadame]

Agree alot of rider doesnt realize the use of lockout and compression if your going mostly uphill and trail mode adjust the rebound and compression front and rear with 160-170mm travel. I am waiting for flight attendant for enduro bike setup and make it ride it on the go and let the system adjust for you. Or bring back manual adjust

[@downundermtb4744]

Reason I got rid of my enduro bike a few years ago. I got a trail bike instead.recently got an ebike for big day climbing. No shuttles for me as I ride alone quite a bit. I think it’s down to the individual, where you live and what access to trails you have. Most my local trails aren’t blue or black but mostly green/blue.i tend to travel with the bikes at times why the Ebike was the best option for me.also ride a gravel bike for when the trails have been hit with to much rain.

[@usernamefromhell]

Best combo is: trail bike, enduro fork(like a 36), xc wheelset, xc rear tire, trail front tire

[@JaredHoff]

@@usernamefromhell nice 👍

[@albyhellscream]

Exactly my setup😂

[@jornmulder]

best combo is a normal dutch city bike, and a mountainbike converted to diy e-bike :D what i did (last one)

[@usernamefromhell]

a diy e-bike would probably fall apart going down my local trails 😂

[@BiGWaVeDaveAZ]

Great video concept. Quality of suspension means alot. Weight is huge factor. What we need is lighter bikes with 155/170 bike that hit the 31.5lb mark with suspension lock out or electronic control.

[@JaredHoff]

@@BiGWaVeDaveAZ that would be awesome

[@benbenplus]

Well, I've got a 2021 Canyon Spectral CF8 with 160mm travel and it weighs 14.8 kg. No need for a big Enduro. Good climbing skills. And with the 160mm fork it's capable to shred its way down. Perfect for most of my riding profile. Would like to compare on trails with a 150mm fork. Climbing and downhill.

[@willgotrocks5348]

I'm thinking of getting a canyon spectral too vs a specialized stumpjumper, is there anything else you would add that you've noticed about it?

[@benbenplus]

@@willgotrocks5348 I wrote a comment, but it's not there. Anyway, here's the summary again: I'm 182cm and exactly between M and L. I chose L because the seating position is better on longer tours. I completely agree with PB's review. I can say about my 21 Spectral CF8 version with 160mm suspension travel that it also performs well in rough enduro terrain. In size L, it rides rather sluggishly at medium speeds. But it really comes to life at high speeds. So stable and safe. It absorbs almost every impact without sacrificing feedback. At full throttle, you dance over roots and obstacles. I'm very impressed each time how capable it is. Watch the earlier Videos with Jack Moir on the Spectral. The only con: sometimes the rear feels very long and lifeless. Probably when weight is shifted forward and a hard impact occurs at the rear. As if you were riding a hardtail. But that doesn't happen very often and more at medium speeds. Overall, I can recommend the Spectral and I'm happy with it. I'm interested in the Genie shock on the Stumpjumper 15 because of its coil-like handling and adjustment options. And maybe because of looking for something new after 3 years.

[@willgotrocks5348]

@@benbenplus I see, that really helps thanks!

[@benbenplus]

@@willgotrocks5348 Glad to help! And what are your thoughts? What do you tend to?

[@smithysendy]

I think that on the climb I’m usually exhausted on my first run. The second time up it’s easier and that could be down to many things, warming up, electrolytes, etc.

[@JaredHoff]

@@smithysendy that makes sense.

[@hectorlmges]

Thanks for the video, here on a YT Izzo (130/130) on XC tires. Super bike on mellow trails but once I get up in the Alps, on S2-S3 trails it gets dangerous at speed, gets the job done but sketchy at times. Thinking about complementing it with an enduro bike like the Capra.

[@JaredHoff]

@@hectorlmges Capra is an amazing bike. I would try to find one on sale. They have some amazing deals.

[@thedustybin]

Firstly try your izzo with a 150mm fork and some chunkier tyres such as a minion front and dissector rear. Might change your mind to how good the izzo can be.

[@JaredHoff]

@@thedustybin Upping the fork travel and new tires would be a great. I have my Polygon T9 with 135 rear and a 150 fork. It’s amazing!!!

[@klassyken]

Thank you for the video really enjoyed watching it. Please repeat the test using the lock out for the climb, I think that has the potential to change the outcomes, cheers!

[@JaredHoff]

@@klassyken I will do that next time I compare bike types.

[@klassyken]

@JaredHoff and that would still be within the realms of comparing bike types, thanks again appreciate your work.

[@janmaly1591]

Pretty spot on. I've got a 5010 and Nomad and they overlap on the majority of trails. They really show their utility on the outliers, like long xc rides with tech (5010 provides for less exertion) or gnarly steep tech with short punchy climbs (Nomad preferred). For me, this is a perfect combo. Now i just need an ebike so i can ride with my friends lol

[@JaredHoff]

@@janmaly1591 e-bike group rides are so much fun!

[@bikeninja956]

nice test. Here's my experience so far. Rode a Giant Trance 150/140 for a few years, does basically 85% of everything except a little lacking for jumping/drops etc. I'm now on 170/170 Enduro bike and I LOVE it. Will do basically 95% of everything, maybe a tad less efficient on the climbs but worth it on the downs. If I were to re-do things, I would probably go with a 160/160 or 160/150, 2.5/2.4 tire setup and that bike would do 98% of everything very well (climbing/downhill, jibby, playful etc.) and for lift assist days, 170+/200 DH-duro build :) so only those two bikes.

[@JaredHoff]

@@bikeninja956 heck yeah 👍 got to do what’s right for you 🤘

[@LevsRagasa]

I thought I needed an Enduro first then realized that Trail is more than enough for me so I got them both so I will never have to think or crave for the one I don’t have 🤣. Great video keep em coming 💪

[@JaredHoff]

@@LevsRagasa I hear ya. I did the same exact thing. I still struggle choosing between the two sometimes.

[@mittenmod]

Great vid my dude! One solid trail bike from a reputable company should be good for everyone. Jump into buying a full-on Enduro bike if you want to ride more gnar, bike park or get into racing.

[@JaredHoff]

@@mittenmod for sure 👍

[@dexterespelita8447]

Awesome content!

[@JaredHoff]

@@dexterespelita8447 thank you 🙏🏻

[@felipevega]

One approach I've seen is also having different tires and pedals to ride accordingly, even different shocks (some people have coil and air). Have a trail bike and adapt it to the ride you're gonna do that day :)

[@JaredHoff]

@@felipevega that’s a great video idea. Like trail bike setup versus “Trail/Duro” setup. Can one bike do it all?

[@simon_says_shhh]

I'm ripping a 150mm f/r with lockouts and 27.5. Totally rips chunk and climbs good enough to keep up with xc guys

[@JaredHoff]

@@simon_says_shhh heck yeah 👍

[@joshuaallswang8016]

Sick video🔥 Crazy that my size large commencal Meta Am is longer then your XL polygon! 63.6 HTA , 78.5 STA , 495 reach and 1295 wheelbase! And I’m only 5’10” on a good day with (long ass arms) bike feels perfect👌 crazy how sizes varies from brand to brand.

[@JaredHoff]

@@joshuaallswang8016 Thanks man 🤘getting the right bike size is everything! I’m 6’2” but short arms and legs for my height 🦖 😂

[@joshuaallswang8016]

@@JaredHoff😂😂🤙

[@radboy58f2]

I’ve watched almost all your videos. Excellent information. I can’t keep track of all the comments that I’m sure would answer my questions, but can’t always locate the answers. I’m about to get either a T9,N9, or a Canyon Spectral al 6. I have more issues climbing the rocky stuff with pedal strikes. It appears the bottom bracket height is highest on the N9, wouldn’t you think that would be a better choice with the issues that I have with pedal strikes? Just asking your opinion. I do not do much true down hill rides to warrant the N9 but the higher bottom bracket height from the ground intrigues me. Thanks

[@radboy58f2]

I currently own a 2024 Canyon Neuron 6

[@JaredHoff]

@@radboy58f2 N9 is an amazing MTB. It pedals so dang good. I put 165mm cranks on my N9 and never have pedal strikes. But T9 sounds like it might be a better choice for the style of riding you do. Maybe T9 and then get 165mm cranks for it 🤔 hope that helps.

[@bergmanst]

Oh, got it. Thanks.

[@allenperry9151]

Awesome video. I think if you can afford both and have opportunities for both….. gettem. But if you can only afford the trail bike it can do both and is the way to go.

[@JaredHoff]

@@allenperry9151 for sure 👍

[@uncle_bones]

Great Vid! I have a Salsa Blackthorn which is 140/160. I guess kinda right in the middle of trail and enduro. If I ever get a second bike, it will probably be a hard tail.

[@JaredHoff]

@@uncle_bones nice 👍

[@SlowpokeShred]

Great video. I’ve questioned this many times as I’ve repaired and upgraded my trail bike. Looks like I need to swap off this fox 34 on the T8 though. Thanks for putting this together!

[@JaredHoff]

@@SlowpokeShred yes, I think a 150mm 36 fork is the perfect fit for a Siskiu

[@gophop]

I did that climb and Nighthawk on the Status 160. Seemed like the perfect balance between up and down. Some of the bootleg stuff we have in Rogue Valley, I feel undergunned on anything less than the 180/165 Cassidy or 170/170 Patrol.

[@JaredHoff]

@@gophop sounds like Enduro bike is the perfect fit for you. Hope to see you out on the trails sometime. I like to ride Ashland during the winter.

[@weekendmountainbiker9457]

Nice video. I recently went to an 170/170 from 150/160. I weigh 200lb+ and find that the Enduro is stiffer and I rarely bottom out but I still wonder if an upgraded long trail would have been just as good 🤷🏼‍♂️.

[@Droomy]

Amazing video, why are you so underrated lol

[@JaredHoff]

@@Droomy thanks 👍 all in good time I guess

[@JP1THUG]

Great video man Ive gone trek remedy and then treated myself to a set of hunt enduro wheels with maxxgrip tyres for down hill and wetter more aggressive days out. on the factory fitment wheels i put some fast rolling light tyres on there for my everyday rides and then i put the xr4s back on for the stuff in between. Makes a huge difference and feels like 3 different bikes just changing tyres alone. The maxxgrip tyres are very fit for purpose especially in a DD casing not for normal trail riding haha. Likewise the xc tyres wouldn't last long on heavier riding trails. Minor suspension tweeks are also an option to really hone the bike into different riding categories. Trail bike for the 🏆

[@JaredHoff]

@@JP1THUG heck yeah! I’m planning a video now with Hunt Enduro V2 mullet setup with MaxxGrip Assegai upfront and DHR II Max Terra rear setup.

[@JP1THUG]

@JaredHoff that is exactly what I have on my hunt enduro rims. A truly great set up for the gravity assisted riding. I took them to bike park wales and they are noticeably slower on the flow trails but worth their weight in gold on the gnarly natural steep stuff.

[@jasonw820]

I like a tight trail bike with the potential to modify the geo. I rode the gnarliest trails in Squamish and my current trail bike rips with more koms in a trial then enduro

[@JaredHoff]

@@jasonw820 I am looking at a bike now with adjustable geometry. One of the unfortunate parts about me testing these bikes is that they want them back eventually. I’m currently looking for a bike I can keep. Something with 130-150 suspension travel and adjustable geometry so I can throw a bigger fork upfront or go mullet when I want to.

[@michaelrieser9928]

In regards to you and the trail bikes performance on the down hill. Did the xl size play a factor. I’m 6foot exactly. 34.5 inseam, 76 inch wing span. I make larges work and they are more compact for certain situations. I move the seat and play with stems but I always think about wanting to do back to back on my Santa Cruz chameleon Mx in my large and an xl. That’s 465 and 495 reach respectively. I’m probably a 485 guy. I think the xl on the trail bike would really increase the performance of the lack of travel.

[@JaredHoff]

@@michaelrieser9928 Yes, XL helps on the steep and technical downhills in my opinion

[@rottieshepcalibre9156]

Good video comparison 👍

[@JaredHoff]

@@rottieshepcalibre9156 thanks 🙏🏻

[@jornmulder]

good video, thx for putting that energy in.

[@JaredHoff]

Thank you for appreciating it 👍

[@eymardbarron748]

Order a rockshox super deluxe ultimate rear shock for trek top ex5, factory fusion X no good for jump lines in big bear mtb park. Planning on keep up grading. Got xt 202 mm? With magura 4 piston setup. I need a bigger fork. Can I throw a 160mm lirik fork? Max 150mm

[@JaredHoff]

@@eymardbarron748 I like the 150 fork. It keeps the geo just right and gives you enough cushion for most trails

[@eymardbarron748]

@@JaredHoff Right on, thank you sir

[@eymardbarron748]

@JaredHoff any pointers, Zebb ve lyric. Want, don't need a 36 on either or lol. Love your channel

[@992F]

I understand what Knighthawk is like. My preference was the trail to the right of KH. North Ridge might be a bit more towards the enduro over the trail bike. I love showing off what Spence has to offer! BTW I should be down there in a couple of weeks for roughly 4 months. Lastly, yes do the 140 side with some South Ridge climbing and SK dh.

[@JaredHoff]

@@992F nice 👍 hopefully I’ll see you out on the trails.

[@MTNMAX88]

My only bike is a Polygon Vander T7 upgraded with fox dpx2 and 160mm fox 36, along with other upgrades. It handles everything for me at my local trails (fort ord/sea otter classic) but I can still send it down the gnarly black diamond stuff. I really don’t need any other bike.

[@chrisledbetter3475]

Great comparison-I need one or the other. I’m leaning for trail. I’m more of climber but it’s a tough decision because I have downhill minutes away. Thanks and I would of liked to see the second half but those climbs and then the advanced downhill is no joke.

[@JaredHoff]

@@chrisledbetter3475 Thanks for the feedback man. I am in the same boat as you. I’ve always chose an enduro bike to make sure I have enough travel for any trail, but I’ve just realized that these modern Trail bikes can handle so much.

[@chrisledbetter3475]

@@JaredHoff I'm a bikesonline fan. I have an XTrada 5 hardtail with a new front fork. Love it but it's just not enough sometimes. I'm really interested in the Superior XF 939. That looks really nice.

[@chrisarksey]

Great video..and riding! I just picked up the T8. Do you have a video for converting it to tubeless?

[@JaredHoff]

@@chrisarksey I didn’t make a video specifically on that but it’s pretty straight forward. The wheels come taped and tubeless ready. All you have to do is order tubeless valve stems and get some tubeless tire sealant, a good set of tire levers, a shop rag to clean up the sealant, a floor pump. 1.) remove half of the tire with the tire levers. 2.)Take out the tubes. You only have to remove once side of the tire to do this so the other half of the tire with remain one the rim and ready for tubeless setup. 3.) put in the tubeless valve stems. 4.) add tubeless sealant into the open end of the tire. 5.) use the tire levers to pop the open half of the tire back onto the rim. You might spill a little sealant. This just takes practice. Use the shop rag to clean up the mess. 6.) use the floor pump and pump it up to 35 PSI or so as fast as you can. You’ll hear the second side pop onto the rim. I can make a video if it helps. Let me know.

[@seawalkarrg]

Great video!

[@JaredHoff]

@@seawalkarrg thank you 🙏🏻

[@tstoresbaby]

Well I have both. My trail bike is 130 front and rear for my local trails. My enduro is 170 front and 160 rear for my bike park and gnarly trails. I like the fact that I have access to both bikes and dont beat my trail bike up so much.

[@JaredHoff]

@@tstoresbaby Sounds like you’ve got two awesome bikes that you use for the right scenarios 👍 I rarely ride bike parks, but I bring my enduro bike when I do.

[@davinci69]

15:30 why dont you use the gopro for timing? Unless you dont have it recording the whole time

[@JaredHoff]

@@davinci69 I don’t have it recording the whole time. So much work goes into to filming and editing these videos. It takes forever to edit a video when you have hours of video. A 15min video often takes days to create between creating the idea, researching, setting up cameras, riding, and editing (the longest part).

[@joshking3267]

Why not use the video footage for timing? My gopro gives me a timed video and i can see where i start and stop on the video timer

[@JaredHoff]

@@joshking3267 when you’re recording all day you have to worry about a lot of things. Battery time is one, having hours of GoPro footage to sort through when editing each video is another, and the amount of memory 4k footage takes up. I’ve learned to be very picky about what and when I choose to hit the record button. Hope you can understand that. So much goes into making these vids. Cheers!

[@natepereira6106]

I have a Norco Sight A2 coming soon. The fox 160-150 in the front and rear. Do you think that it’s good enough for some uphills and bike park laps?

[@JaredHoff]

@@natepereira6106 definitely 👍 that’s an all mountain shredder.

[@natepereira6106]

@@JaredHoff thanks for the info man. I’m just getting into the sport and wanted to see if it was a good fit for me

[@JaredHoff]

@@natepereira6106 I’ve gone back and forth between Trail and enduro bikes. Lately I’ve been riding my trail bike more. Even at the bike park. Check out this video if you want to see that: Do you need a DH Bike at the Bike Park? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqCahn9rlst3a5o

[@natepereira6106]

@@JaredHoff I saw that one too, but I am still a beginner, and I don’t think that I am very good at my line choices, so I feel that the more travel compared to the trail bike could be more forgiving to bad line choices

[@JaredHoff]

@@natepereira6106 150-160 is a great option 👍

[@christopherwiebke3578]

Good video. Seems like not locking out the suspension on the Enduro climb would put the bike at a huge disadvantage

[@JaredHoff]

@@christopherwiebke3578 You’re probably right. The Polygon Collosus climbs really good for a 170mm enduro so I don’t usually flip the firm switch.

[@crudolol]

Totaly agree. I got an enduro bike because of all the Hype on KZbin and damn im so overbiked that I am bored most of the time. Looking for a nice trail bike atm. Cheers

[@JaredHoff]

@@crudolol cheers 🍻

[@dntfakethefunk]

I agree we all should just get a trail bike instead of an enduro. I ride a regular Stumpy forked up to 150mm up front and 130mm out back which is a perfect trail bike in my opinion. If I need a bit more travel out back, I just throw on my 27.5 rear link and wheel to give me 135mm-ish rear travel with playfulness to pair.

[@JaredHoff]

@@dntfakethefunk that’s the perfect setup. I’m currently looking for a bike with adjustable geo so I can Mullet when I want to.

[@alfredodahik5639]

Hi, with 150mm front and 140mm I would think that this all-mountain bike is more than enough for going up and down.

[@JaredHoff]

@@alfredodahik5639 135mm of rear travel, but I get what you’re saying. Definitely feels like an “All Mountain”. I’m working on a video now taking the T9 to a BIG mountain lift access bike park. Spoiler Alert 🚨 It handled everything amazingly 🤯

[@safetyjerry]

I have both Polygon N9 for when I travel somewhere big and Norco Fluid for the everyday trails here. Looking at an E-bike just because that looks fun too!

[@JaredHoff]

@@safetyjerry e-bikes are so much fun!

[@sd5458]

Finally more brands are starting to focus on the weld lines and not making it look like amateur hour on a $7k bike. My $2600 Ramblas has better weld lines and paint than bikes three times its cost.

[@JaredHoff]

@@sd5458 nice 👍

[@Quinti11ion-]

That first trail looks fun.

[@JaredHoff]

@@Quinti11ion- so much fun

[@JoeIsCrazyWillman]

I agree, you definitely don't need both... However, instead of XC and Trail, those are right next to each other too, I'd say XC and Enduro (that's my planned route). I own a Polygon T7, and gotta say, they knocked it outta the park! Great bikes for the money, and with some Facebook marketplace upgrades and some time in the saddle, they perform so well! Yeah, they're a little on the heavier side, but part of that is the double walled enduro rims, heavier beefcake Schwalbe Hans Dampf (or Vee Snap) tires, and the steel RockShox Recon fork. Some guys have gotten them as low as 30lbs, which is a lb less than my Santa Cruz Chameleon. That being said, I also own a Polygon D7 SE, 120/120, and that does all the local stuff great too. Better climber, another 1-2lbs lighter, tho definitely a little taller and more XC focused. I find I use the D7 on local group rides more (or the Chameleon), while I use the T7 for bike park, jumps, and bigger adventures (tho I take my Chameleon there too)... And also the T7 on local stuff.... So I definitely favor the T7. Just a better all arounder ... Now, I DO want to get a bike even more focused in the jumps and chunk ... So I'm going to keep my D7 for the tamer stuff, and use the Pivot Mach 6 coil build (sell my T7) for the bigger stuff... Spread the bikes' talents a little further apart, and then my upgraded Chameleon will fill the gap in between for an all-rounder. 👌🏻

[@JaredHoff]

@@JoeIsCrazyWillman heck yeah man 👍 Agree with what you’re saying. I’m loving my T9 though

[@jio512]

I’m between the SC Chameleon or the Polygon T8. Currently ride Trek Xcal 9. I like the nimbleness of the HT. I don’t do any jump and ride in FL. I’m thinking I can’t go wrong with either one and should probably test ride both to make my decision. What do u think?

[@JaredHoff]

@@jio512 I prefer full suspension. T8 would be my choice but not sure if you need a full suspension in Florida.

[@MichaelRobibaro]

I jist did a custom progressive geo frame and bike build Soft tail instead of hardtail or full suspension 170mm 27.5/26 mullet 61° HTA with 80° STA Climbs and descends better than any bike I've owned weather XC, trail or Enduro. I can also swap in a 140mm 29er fork(with same 27.5 wheel) and keep my geo virtually the same( same A2CL but 46mm fork offset vs unknown, probably 51mm) May experiment with a 29er front wheel and perhaps like a 120 mm fork later down the road.

[@dichotomousblue]

How does this change if you are heavy? I'm 250lbs, so the extra build strength of the heavier duty bike will help it last longer,

[@JaredHoff]

@@dichotomousblue I’ve never seen long term reliability tested that way but it makes sense. Beefier suspension definitely makes a difference which is why you see e-bikes specs that way.

[@adamsanchez1410]

Hi! Love your videos! On you Gen 6 Fuel EX did you use it with the mino link in the high or low position? I’m stuck between the two. Thanks!

[@JaredHoff]

@@adamsanchez1410 low always. I would only use the high if I wanted to switch to a mullet setup.

[@coltonowens2742]

If you can only get one, trail is the way to go. I do love my e-enduro setup to though, damn fun bike.

[@JaredHoff]

@@coltonowens2742 heck yeah 👍

[@TheTote92]

Had the T8 (loved it) before and currently own the N9, so far I can agree that the that trail bike climbs better but in the over all I rather pick the colossus because if you fuck up in a jump you have that extra travel to save you, and after all, is way more capable in a bike park or in a downhill session, and still pretty decent for climbing, also, it's such a good value for the money

[@JaredHoff]

@@TheTote92 for sure! The Collosus really does climb great for a 170mm bike.

[@jasonpatrickdeleon4701]

Can yoi review dartmoor rocbird enduro frame thanks 😊 Greetings from PH

[@JaredHoff]

@@jasonpatrickdeleon4701 I’m always looking for more brands and bikes to review. Unfortunately, it gets difficult being a small KZbin channel and doing everything solo. Thanks for the idea though, I’ll try to get my hands on more bikes to test.

[@jasonpatrickdeleon4701]

@@JaredHoff thanks for the response 😊 appreciate, on your video i like enduro for all around

[@jasonpatrickdeleon4701]

@@JaredHoff here in the Philippines price of polygon n9 frame around $1600

[@jpfbmxme]

Great vid🎉

[@JaredHoff]

@@jpfbmxme thank you 🙏🏻 Positive feedback really helps. So much goes into making these videos as a solo creator. I really appreciate the feedback

[@aaronblonden6774]

Fortunate to have too many bikes but not a ton of overlap. I just rode my 150 / 125 trail bike on a shuttle zone where folks bring out big bikes. I built that bike burly and its very heavy and stable. I've sold some other bikes because they sucked climbing and i enjoy climbing. My downcountry rig and hardtails get grabbed a lot for simplicity. They also can outclimb me. Regularly in group rides i have the shortest travel and take lines i feel confident in. I have a blast and my bikes wont make up for bad techniques. They feel more engaging, thats all that matters i think.

[@JaredHoff]

@@aaronblonden6774 heck yeah 👍

[@johndingey8110]

i sold my 170mm enduro for a 135 trail bike. Im actually stunned how much better it is for the trails I ride

[@JaredHoff]

@@johndingey8110 for sure 👍

[@MTBrusty6467]

My Specialized Status is a 140 by 140 and does just fine on all my local trails. I could have gotten the 160 by 160 but did not see the sense in getting it as this is plenty of travel.

[@JaredHoff]

@@MTBrusty6467 I’ve always wanted to try the status.

[@digital.olimon]

Testing how fast you climb and decent is a good test for capability of the bikes. But as a non pro rider, which bike did you enjoy riding the trail on the most?

[@JaredHoff]

@@digital.olimon The Collosus N9. I know I only “need” a trail bike, but always end up back on my N9 because I just love it.

[@frieddayfriday]

upgraded my Giant-Trance-X-29-1 fork to 160 from 150mm and the float to float x. imrpoved my times up and down hill. bike gave me more confidence overall but still pedals like the stock suspension! bike shouldve came like this from factory!

[@JaredHoff]

@@frieddayfriday 👍

[@igorshaula9097]

"this fucking watch didn't start!" - oh, I love you for that :)))

[@JaredHoff]

@@igorshaula9097 lol

[@MTB_CRZY]

My goals are to have a road bike, gravel bike (my race xc hardtail fits here), my xc race bike, a trail bike (again, my xc hardtail is more than capable), an enduro bike (I race enduro on, you guessed it! My xc race bike) and never anything more than that because I live in the land of cheese (WI) and we have like half a "mountain" here. If you push your budget to get ONE really solid bike for the type of terrain you ride 95% of the time youll be better off than trying to get 5 budget bikes to "suit all your needs".

[@JaredHoff]

@@MTB_CRZY for sure 👍 💯

[@thevapingpolisher9717]

Wish we had trail like that in my area. Neb is xc/ gravel land

[@JaredHoff]

@@thevapingpolisher9717 I’m very lucky to have an amazing set of local trails.

[@SubaruWRC1996]

Got the specialized turbo levo which is a trail bike and it's got 160mm on the front and 150mm on the back and eventually wanting to take it offroad

[@JaredHoff]

@@SubaruWRC1996 you’re going to love that bike on the trails! Stoked for you man 👍🤘

[@SubaruWRC1996]

I absolutely love it so far. I have some revgrips pro coming for it, but I'm thinking about going tubeless before I take it out for a good spin in the mountains

[@SubduedFlamboyance]

Thanks for this excellent vid! Now I’m going for therapy. It’s cheaper than biking 😂.

[@JaredHoff]

@@SubduedFlamboyance 😂 yeah 👍 mountain biking is definitely expensive

[@jornmulder]

i gonna get the Get Stoked, Go Ride t-shirt , then cross away the K :D cheers ! nice one ! i am 1 meter 92 and slim, what size you recommend? and do you ship to The Netherlands ?

[@JaredHoff]

I have the shirts available on www.jaredhoff.bike/ I think they’ll ship there.

[@EPYCMX]

why test with both suspension open? why not lock them when needed?

[@JaredHoff]

@@EPYCMX I wanted to feel how the bike’s suspension platforms compared to each other. I usually don’t lock out my shock when climbing because I hate having to remember to open it every time I go downhill

[@jornmulder]

The Best combo is a normal Dutch city bike, and a mountainbike converted to diy e-bike :D what i did (last one)

[@JaredHoff]

Nice 👍

[@tonyp2632]

What happened to when a MTB was just a MTB. I still ride my 2011 Giant Talon One 29er and am happy. As an average rider, I'm so tired of the marketing hype.

[@aldinursalam]

How to measure the travel of rear shock?

[@JaredHoff]

@@aldinursalam Well the measurements of a rear shock are the eye-to-eye measurement and the stroke length. However, the travel depends on the linkage and leverage ratio that detriments how much the rear wheel moves.

[@zimmejoc]

Why not have 170mm of travel? Pedal strikes? I rode full squish in the 90's. Those bikes were pretty terrible, so I went hardtail from 2003 - 2023 and then went back to 160mm of full squish. I'm still relearning how to ride to avoid pedal strikes. I'd assume a shorter travel bike would be less prone to pedal strikes though judging by the scratches I see on rocks, perhaps not.

[@JaredHoff]

@@zimmejoc kind of depends on the BB height and crank length. My enduro bike has a higher BB and shorter cranks. Yes, it squishes down more due to the 170mm rear travel, but I rarely have pedal strikes on either bike. Although, my terrain is really rocky so most riders where I live get good at avoiding strikes as well.

[@zimmejoc]

@@JaredHoff That's great. I flipped my chip to the high position and actively work to avoid pedaling when I think I might strike. Once I actually get decent, I'll go back to the slacker low setting on my flip chip and possibly shorten my cranks from their current 170mm.

[@filipvaclavovsky7405]

160/150 is sweetspot. I have 170/160 these days and its safer in bikeparks and if you overshoot jumps, but ist not as nimble. I went the way to enjoy summer trips and struggle little bit at home trails. Oh yes, one thing i forgot, i bought lighter 1780g wheelset. Its killer

[@JaredHoff]

@@filipvaclavovsky7405 lighter wheels for the win! I’ve been super happy with my Hunt wheels. Lighter and stronger than stock, but still a good affordable price 👍

[@philiphopkins3176]

I 💯 agree….but I have a bike for everything 😂 unnecessarily. From DJ to DH and everything in between. If I could only have 3, it would be an aggressive HT, big Enduro eBike and a DH. Did you notice pedaling is not my thing.

[@JaredHoff]

@@philiphopkins3176 Gravity riding is the best! Although, e-bikes make the uphill fun as well.

[@monstermini225]

Just bought and modded a 2024 alloy stumpjumper with 160 Lyric ultimate andnsuper deluxe in the rear. I hit all the same lines and things that i would on my long travel bike without any issue (as long as I'm not hucking to flat) plus it pedals up hill WAY easier, and its WAY more nimble on tight single track. An aggressive trail bike is more than most people honestly need. Especially if you ride / jump / drop smooth

[@JaredHoff]

@@monstermini225 for sure 👍

[@plmn93]

Yeah I think even trail bikes are getting too big. I got a Gen 6 Trek Fuel EX and it's so heavy and cumbersome compared to my Gen 4 that I don't like it as much.

[@monstermini225]

@@plmn93 someone local said that same thing a week ago, he felt the new trek was less nimble as well.

[@JaredHoff]

@@plmn93 they definitely changed the Fuel EX a lot. Kind of made me wonder if you need a slash when the new fuel EX is like a baby enduro bike.

[@ark530abe]

You should go check out mount shasta l. The SCT trail is a great time

[@JaredHoff]

@@ark530abe I’ve been to the lift access bike park at Shasta. I think I made a video on the road gap there