Train the Right Way to Avoid the Marathon Wall (Part 1)

[@runningwithjane]

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[@sheldon59]

Thanks Jane, great tips. I’m currently working to hang tough in training runs when I want to walk in the hopes I get mentally stronger come race day 🤞

[@runningwithjane]

It always is a confidence boost when you push through. Keep going, you're doing great!

[@joanneh232]

Great advice! Looking forward to part 2.

[@runningwithjane]

Glad to hear that, Joanne and you got it!

[@cmymtl]

Thanks, Jane! Long runs are hard but these tips are so helpful for getting through them.

[@runningwithjane]

Hi Christine! I hope you've been well!! Thanks for watching this one and glad you found it helpful. Keep going, I'm sure you're doing great!!

[@cmymtl]

@@runningwithjane Thank you so much! I have been struggling in the heat but had a great run on Sunday. 10 minute run/1 minute walk is working for me!

[@JoseFPVNavarro]

Awesome video and topic. Thanks Jane! I love how you explain things so clearly and succinctly. Keep up the great work!

[@runningwithjane]

I appreciate that so much and glad you found this helpful! This was a 29-min. video cut down to 13 min. LOL...usually I talk way too much ha!

[@JoseFPVNavarro]

29 to 13? I would gladly watch a 29 minute video by you. Maybe running a pool on YT to ask your audience for a preference in terms of video length? With such good quality content you provide, I would not be surprised longer videos are preferred, if you want to make them that long, that is of course ❤

[@Marc-Tu]

As the half marathon and full marathon are coming in September, this is a video that's very much appreciated, thank you Jane

[@runningwithjane]

So happy to hear you've found this one helpful! What races are you doing?!

[@Marc-Tu]

@@runningwithjane There are 2 in my city. One is the warsaw marathon on september 29, and the other is the praski half marathon on september 7. I run slow so my focus is on endurance. Right now I just try to clock the miles. Doing an average on 78 km/week.

[@manchurian53]

Thanks for this video, Jane. Finishing a marathon without hitting the wall and missing my goal time has always been an issue for me. Very helpful info here.

[@runningwithjane]

Unfortunately so common! It's hard to put all the pieces together. Hopefully this video and my next one really help you nail down what you can adjust going forward to run a strong marathon. I'm passionate about helping people get past this!

[@mad_incognito]

I never hit the wall that hard but in my 2nd marathon I ran out of steam at mile 14 and all the gains I made I lost (and more) in the rest. This year I had a great breakthrough by going from 4h53 to 4h13 and the race felt so much shorter than the previous 3. That said I was so consumed by the training and the race that now I am mentally burned out and have a hard time going back into fall marathon training. All my long runs even the double 20+ milers this year I never wanted to quit as I knew what needs to be done and so I did it but they were are all tough. Even though I train my long runs with gels every 25min in the marathon at the end (mile 20) I cannot stand them anymore and have to force me to take one but they are further apart (40min).

[@runningwithjane]

Regarding that last part, yes, I understand this very much! Taking gels late in the marathon is so hard - another big reason the frontloading is so important. I'm sorry you are feeling burnt out. Sounds like you trained really hard for your last one to get that 40-min. PR (awesome job!!) Marathon training is definitely a grind....probably you're ready for a season off, but perhaps you're already signed up for a fall marathon? It's also OK to run one for fun and not do as high level of training.😉

[@mad_incognito]

@@runningwithjane Already back in the grind but I think I was too focused on the marathon and with that I needed more time to get back into things. Right now I do a lot of easy running to get the mileage up and use indoor cycling to work on my anaerobic side rather than doing sprint training. The next marathon is in November and my goal is just to run for fun with no particular time goal.

[@fecardona]

Thanks for the vid Jane. Running my first marathon ever this year in NYC TCS, and dealing with some health issues that have made a dent in my weekly rythm and consistency. Will hear your words mentally as I start to ramp up the level. Besides, I live in Bogota Colombia so training at 2.600 meters, means zone 2 is usually a zone 3 reading 😂😂😂

[@runningwithjane]

You are certainly up there!! Coming down from elevation will be oh so good though! I'm at about 6,000 feet so I also always look forward to that racing advantage going to other places to race. Best of luck to you as your training continues, keep moving forward - I'm also racing NYC!

[@wvu05]

I thought I hit the wall in my first marathon... until I hit it in the second and realized that in the first one I was just tired. To this day, even 25 years later, the half-melted Power Bar they had at the aid station at mile 22 is the greatest thing I've ever eaten.

[@runningwithjane]

Oh man, your body needed it so badly! Sounds like it helped you "power" through! And yes, tired and hitting the wall feel very different!

[@wvu05]

@@runningwithjane It is so frustrating watching a movie about running where they equate the two. I saw a movie on Comedy Central called _Office Race_ that got a lot of our community right, but a lot of the time, they get so many basic things wrong.

[@lawrencelam6719]

Great videos with very helpful information.

[@Kevin-fz7yt]

Great video, very informative. Do you have training plans available for a half marathon?

[@Kevin-fz7yt]

Cancel that question. I followed your link and signed up for more information. Thanks!

[@runningwithjane]

Hi Kevin - glad you found the video helpful! I didn't see an inquiry come through for you. Is this the link you used? readysetmarathon.com/contact-us/?source=one-on-one-coaching-button If that doesn't work, you can email me at [e-mail]. Thanks!

[@hikerJohn]

I was just thinking of you yesterday thinking I better look to see if I missed a video

[@runningwithjane]

Aw how nice! Ugh yes, between full-time coaching and my kids being home this summer, getting videos posted in a timely manner is tough - just time consuming to get one out! Really want to be in a position to get one video out per week!

[@robdunne6573]

I haven't done a marathon since 2009, I'm now 12 weeks away and finding it difficult to pick an achievable goal time.

[@runningwithjane]

How exciting you'll be running another! That can be hard to pinpoint with not having done one in a long time. Do you have a recent half marathon time?

[@robdunne6573]

@@runningwithjane ran a 10mile in 75 minutes, any half marathon has just been my Sunday long run. Do you think yasso 800s are a good guide?

[@dri1811ya]

Ive only done one marathon. I don't know if I hit the wall or not, I think cramps and blisters hit me (around mile 18) before the wall ever did. I prefer Half's now, at least I can race it 😅

[@runningwithjane]

Halves are an awesome distance!!!

[@mvd_01]

How much to you charge to be my personal trainer? I’m running CIM this year.

[@runningwithjane]

Hi Marcelo! Thanks for your coaching inquiry. You'll find the information you need on this page of my website: readysetmarathon.com/run-coaching-services/

[@runningwithjane]

Also, CIM is such a great race!

[@333jjjjjj]

Obviously I have no way of proving this but I posit that 80% of instances of hitting the wall are from what was only mentioned closer to the end of the video: running at a pace you can't sustain the whole distance. Fueling is talked about ad nauseum but if were as simple as choking down a couple Gu's we wouldn't hear too much about the wall.

[@runningwithjane]

I talk about both ad nauseum, lol, because they are both so dang important. If you pace slow enough, sure, you can avoid the wall without eating anything. But if you want to actually "race" and go for a time, fueling absolutely becomes a factor.

[@camillarich]

Nursing mom who just gets out whenever I can totally feeling my "training plan" called out😂

[@runningwithjane]

Ah you're doing great, Camilla! You're a rockstar mom! Remember that no training is every perfect. Keep doing the best you can. If training doesn't go as according to plan as you like, making adjustments on race day will work wonders for you still be able to have a strong race.

[@dnice4335]

sufferfest-describes all my marathons after 20 mi. mark........

[@runningwithjane]

I mean, that last 10k is so hard no matter what!! But when you fuel and pace well, it can also feel really empowering. The culprit for most is usually going out too fast...has that happened to you?

[@dnice4335]

@@runningwithjane i think it is more the fueling piece- i have low blood sugar and if i do not eat every 4 hours even on non running days i have a hard time- so i feel its just amplified on training/ race days. ive tried gels every half hour, but i always just plain run out of gas.....

[@carina9629]

How come marathon training doesn't focus more on teaching the body to burn fat instead of glycogen, since fat holds so much more energy than glycogen?

[@DarthGarth213]

2:03 watch the video

[@carina9629]

​@@DarthGarth213 Yes, but can't this be worked on and improved? Like if someone gets used to running off burning fat wouldn't the body become more efficient at this so they'll be able to run faster while still burning only/mostly fat?

[@MarioatSA]

@@carina9629 If you are running extremely slowly at mostly aerobic paces then yes. This is why many ultrarunners are able to make that transition. That being said, true marathon pace is simply too fast for your body to not utilize carbs.

[@carina9629]

@@MarioatSA Ohhh ok I see now. Thank you, that makes sense. To actually run the marathon as a race (and not just to finish the distance) fueling is mandatory, not optional. It only becomes optional at slow paces (like for the ultras). But then for ultras you're running for so many miles and for so many hours that you probably want to eat something

[@sk8qbsk8]

Also, from what I understand, it is not a 100% “on/off” fat vs carb burning system. It gets kind of biochemistry-ish to explain all the details, but even when you are in your optimal fat-burning z2 training zone, you aren’t ONLY burning fat. The process also requires some carb to sustain. I run trail ultras and I can ASSURE you that generally there is MUCH carb consumption, before, during and after these events! 😋🤓 🍉🍌🥨🥞🍛