Transformers: Siege - APEFACE

[@astromotive6047]

Given that this is the only figure in the entire Siege line that doesn't feature a waist swivel and the feel of the plastic in person, My theory is that this figure is a leftover design from Titans Return that Has/Tak had developed yet cancelled. Jump to 3 years later having realized that they had this unused mold in their archive, HasTak revisited this figure and retrofitted it with 5mm ports in order to fit in with the War Far Cybertron Trilogy.

[@trence5]

I think you're right, it does seem like he should've been released with Titans Return line.

[@HERITAGE12]

You do have to wonder about crossover. One of the things I love about the weaponisers is they're all compatible with their respective titans. Something I never even thought of till I saw vids of sixgun on metroplex. I personally can't wait for apeface as I had bugger all money back in the day and chose snapdragon over him.

[@thedripcritic9379]

That or their trying to release bigger versions of the titan masters I.e. Skytread to a Deluxe Skytread

[@05-council-07]

The white plastic is the way it is so he can transform correctly

[@inosuke2679]

I don’t really care he looks cool and that’s if

[@mattimusprimal637]

@11:53 The wings aren't misassembled, it's a Cybertronian Jet so it doesn't follow any Earth Jet logic!!

[@RichterX83]

If the white plastic is actually nylon, it is stronger than abs and more resistant to chemical change, meaning it retains its whiteness.

[@spittertron4920]

And it will retain its flex so that piece connecting to the legs won't break apart.

[@stuartloth-jesion7491]

TFWiki does claim that the white plastic is "super dense nylon". I don't know what other sources could back that up, but given your comment about the possibility of nylon and how it is stronger than abs, then I definitely feel okay with the flex in this figure. I also don't mind the shade/hue of white used as it helps give Apeface his own distinct look.

[@Bt3615]

The main problem is that it looks terrible. The color is also something more akin to yellowed sour cream than white. However the info about the super dense nylon is from the entry in Transformers wiki and it didn't cite the source. It may be the impression of someone that used nylon for 3D printing and found the "peculiar" plastic of Apeface similar in feeling.

[@rcola6235]

Nylon is a type of plastic. Maybe Hasbro is trying out nylon if the current ABS plastic stock is running low .

[@RichterX83]

@@spittertron4920 I rewatched the whole review and it makes so much sense that they would use nylon with all the moving and flexing that is ocurring. ABS would have stress marks or snap in no time, i just wanted to correct the fact that he calls nylon not a plastic, when it is, and even worst call it fragile, when it is more durable for that than ABS.

[@thesadisticelf5659]

I like the idea of the battle-damaged look, though it is poorly executed. If they had done more than just silver paint, it would look a LOT better. For example, a bit of black around the tip of a gun, some cracks in the figures' visors, or molded in dents would sell the damaged look a lot better.

[@rugalheidbernstein9944]

Hopefully we get a Generations Snapdragon next.

[@astromotive6047]

That's pretty much a given at this point. I refer you to the Duocons.

[@DESTRAKON]

I'm so down

[@TimeLord675]

The Wal-Mart listing leaks say yes. Hopefully they work to improve the engineering a bit.

[@astromotive6047]

@@TimeLord675 Yeah, by giving him a waist swivel. *Apeface weeps in the corner*

[@busterdog6320]

Coming from er: its here!

[@andyliu1296]

They chose this soft material probably because the designed play pattern for this figure involves a lot of warping, wiggling, and squeezing to peg together/take apart the parts. One major mistake is the painted clear plastic for the tail fin piece, really unnecessary and serves no purpose. In the ape mode, you have to make sure the half circle claw clip between the nosecone and ape head really snap into place to the torso, and then squeeze the two side pieces onto the middle piece to peg them together for the gorilla’s neck to be sturdy. This figure is best to play together with the Titans Return apeface, leave this mold’s headmaster in the gorilla head, use the titans return head in robot mode and piloting the jet mode. The titans return vehicle can be attached to the jet mode as a drone. The full gorilla head won’t fit in the nosecone if follow the instruction (the empty gorilla head doesn’t quite fit in there either anyway), but instead, turn the full gorilla head 180and tuck it in vertically, it gives the jet mode a big chin, but there won’t be no gorilla grin underneath the nosecone, and i am not talking about a “shark mouth” like on some fighter jets which i can live with.

[@vustvaleo8068]

engineering-wise this does not feel like a Siege figure, it looks like it if was from an older line.

[@DiggitySlice]

Hasbro QA: "Make sure the knees and/or hips are loose and at least one ratchet is so tight if feels like it's going to break."

[@JohnnyActionFigures]

You’re mistransforming the back bro. Those pegs do plug in. You don’t have the wings pulled out. When you do everything plugs in firmly and holds into place. I can pick mine up by the nosecone when in robot mode. Pull the wings out at the “hinge” and plug everything in.

[@josephlepkowski2383]

Love this Apeface even though he feels more Titans Return with battle damage then Siege .He stays in ape mode for me and is awesome once he is all locked in place and does not come apart. Can't wait for Snapdragon to complete the Horrorcons.

[@rubiconprime1429]

I’ve always thought it would be a good idea for a gorilla transformer to have the robot arms become the gorilla legs and vice versa due to their lengths (humans have longer legs than arms, gorillas vice versa. For those worried about the torso, gorillas kind of have a gut. Repurposing limbs like this would reduce kibble, and in the case of apeface make it easier to compact for the jet mode. As for the cockpit, I think a back cavity for it covered up by wings would be great. Plus it would make the back a special colour giving off a silverback type of design. Also the clear plastic tail fin completely painted is stupid. They already had the pink plastic from the wings and nose cone. I really wish this figure was better, and not just “G1 but with more articulation” ,-_____-,

[@TimeLord675]

I think they already did this with Cybertron Optimus Primal. (The "Ape arms as robot legs and ape legs as robot arms" thing, anyway.)

[@sebastiannock942]

Got this figure yesterday, I love him. Swapped out the head for TR head because it looks a hell of a lot better, plus he can use the TR as a weapon.

[@UnfaithfulServant97]

0:54 - “GrapeApe” lol

[@e.overbay7949]

The forty foot gorilllla lol

[@thespaceram2879]

Grape ape jam for breakfast.

[@hgc7000]

I’ve been calling my Ape Face “Grape Ape” as well. It just sort of happens.

[@KOSMOS1701A]

the silver paint on the nosecone looks like digital camo, i don't like it either

[@zackandkrieger]

Legit was thinking the same thing

[@sherlockscott4037]

The hinges of wings seem to have to be extended out in robot mode, so the two holes on the wings can reach the pegs on the nosecone. And the wings seem to lean inwards to an angle if the hinges are not extended out.

[@atom2413]

Would be neat if they recolored and remolded this into Optimal Optimus

[@e.overbay7949]

Exactly! Why? Not a huge fan of this one

[@Martynde]

Because Optimal Optimus has a gorilla and jet mode - like Apeface.

[@ChaoticDarkness1]

We've already got the Power of the Prime Optimal Optimus, why would we need another? Apeface would make a very innacurate Optimal Optimus IMO.

[@atom2413]

@@ChaoticDarkness1 oh yeah I forgot about that one.

[@optimoosejones9493]

ChaoticTyrantOfDarkness how about just an optimus primal albeit a new form granted by the primes

[@fangspecter2232]

he forgot about the titan master

[@connorridgway4298]

that moment when balt doesnt know about plane wings

[@juniper3955]

3:35 If you pull out the wings, you can actually get those tabs in, and avoid bending the wings as well.

[@endergamez8354]

I had high hopes for this figure, hopefully Astro train is better

[@vendettaautrey364]

I'd preorder it on Amazon

[@Creator846]

Did I miss you showing his head transform?

[@ArcNeoMasato]

Like others are saying, if that IS nylon, that actually makes it WAY more durable than the standard ABS plastic, and while it's a bit of an offwhite, it won't yellow for much much longer than Ratchet is likely to. Actually, his weakest point is that peg for the shield, cause those snap all the time cause it's too tight. I had to alter mine after it broke, and mind you, I've NEVER had a figure break in the 10ish years I've been collecting before this, and it happened while very carefully trying to unpeg it from jet mode. It needed to not lock in place so much in that mode so you could actually wiggle it out, but instead you have to pull straight up for a couple millimeters to be able to wiggle, and it snapped from that direct force. Thankfully I have a pile of old computer screws, so I found one that was the perfect size to sink in the hold that peg has molded in it, so between that and gorilla glue, as well as a small sanding job to make the peg shorter and narrower, it works better than ever now.

[@574guy]

Not that I'm judging, but I just can't understand how you can hate "shmoots" so much.

[@robertj.3383]

574Studios I didn't really mind it but I only hated the inconsistency in the application.

[@mr.j1013]

Robert J. I agree with you here. The dirtying effect here is inconsistent at best. And as for why some people hate it, it might come down to the inconsistency or its not to their liking or both. Some people prefer there figure to look clean.

[@MrAqr2598]

574Studios It’s “schmutz”.

[@austinhinton3944]

Some people just hate anything new. The GEEWUNNERS won the war and now EarthRise is about as G1 pandering as Masterpiece.

[@Corlock78]

Honestly, on this figure the "schmutz" makes it hard for me to see the details on the figure. It's also strange that the silver paint is only on the black and red portions. However, if the whitish plastic in this figure is a type of nylon, then that makes sense as nylon is hard to paint. Usually, on the Seige figures there seems to be some logic to how it is applied. It's in places that would be subject to paint wear, and typically it's most noticeable in one mode or another. For this figure how it's applied doesn't really seem to have a logic to it. Maybe if I had it hand my opinion on that would change. But it feels like there is too much of it, and the places where it's applied seem random rather than carefully chosen.

[@DMSL2007]

Great review, like the figure, while not a masterpiece it does what it is supposed to. Now i really hope Hasbro will give us Snapdragon soon.

[@B1GCORE]

Apeface had been my favorite horrorcon Bonus if you had the TR one with the mini apejet drone.

[@bricktrooper540]

I wonder if the white plastic was a experiment. To see how fans would react to it.

[@05-council-07]

It is there to help apeface transform correctly, because it can flex without breaking

[@Martynde]

I’d like a repaint into Optimal Optimus / Primal Prime.

[@powerrangerkid16]

Am i the only one who can see this as being repainted for transmetals optimus primal? Also what does the headmaster for him look like in its robot mode?

[@powerrangerkid16]

@Mr. Al and grimlockimus one as well

[@bigtog8188]

I had the original G1 as a kid and I peed my pants when this figure was announced. Jet mode is wonderfully atrocious like the original. As for the white, I don't remember the original G1 having a nice shade of white either so this is fine for me.

[@Gripen1974]

the white on the original was as cream and it was getting yellowed by the sun easy plus got easy dirty by your hands so it wasn't a good white either. My old G1 one is more yellow then white and some parts is even brown.

[@thespaceram2879]

Then time to dump him in peroxide in a transparent jar and put him in front of the sun a couple of times to whiten him up.

[@Gripen1974]

@@thespaceram2879 I have done it a couple of times and it solve it for a couple of weeks but that plastic is very crappy and get yellow again in no time, so i have him in this state to not make the plastic brittle as happen with my red alert when i did it to that figure.

[@thespaceram2879]

@@Gripen1974 spray paint those areas carefully. First disassemble the figure and clean up the thumb prints.

[@jcjordan6666]

Hey just a heads up you still didnt have the head in ape mode pegged in right just so u know love the channel

[@edwardimusprimal7330]

I really like this figure.

[@crashman27]

Me too. Dont know why everyone here hates it so much

[@05-council-07]

Same

[@MrAqr2598]

Oh no... The Siege Schmutz is back for... *MORE!!!!!*

[@dariusq8894]

I've been playing with the fig a little now and I think the issues you had with the head are because you didn't tab it in correctly. For instance, at 6:40 you mention the two sets of pegs on the white flap, but in Ape mode the figure holds together better using only one pair (the bottom ones) and the flap will arch up like the ape's shoulder blades. The top pair of pegs are only needed in jet mode. Following that at 8:15, you were trying to peg in the head on the sides when you should have been trying to peg it underneath the flap instead (near the red hinges) which keeps the entire assembly from flopping around. These two changes make the transformation significantly easier and much more secure.

[@kairiley8520]

U think they gonna give us a snap dragon?

[@Yesitsmyrealname]

They better

[@P3RDT0]

Grape Ape riding on Classic G1 Mini Bumblebee

[@austinhinton3944]

I would imagine the nylon is a test run to see if it could be a hypothetical replacement to plastic. They are also planning to reduce the amount of packaging in the coming years. As for the battle damage paint, why do so many people hate it?

[@Worldbreakerkou]

Baltmatrix you've been my guy for a while and I love your videos! But its transformers Siege. It's not transformers pristine lol. He should look battle worn right!?

[@WyattTFdude]

I now have this figure in person and I think it is not as bad as people say it is. The plastic feels fine in my hands, but I have been more careful than, let's say Spinister, with the panel/shield thing, and slightly more tolerant and patient. I also like the battle damage, because they are in a war, they are going to be scuffed up. And some of the other copies have extremely tight joints. My copy has overly tight joints. Nonetheless I have transformed this thing about 20 times by now and everything is holding up so can it really be that bad? I'm just glad to have a apeface. They may have chosen this nylon stuff to make it more similar to the original figure.

[@ramoxfireleaderofgauntlets3554]

This is a good review. Nice job being honest about what you think. -Guy

[@Renkencen]

I would liked to get him out of nostalgia value althought I wouldn't mind that leader version of him.

[@jedicapybara]

7:02 you are 100000% correct, I didn’t even see the small ports for the black leg plastic to connect to. Without your little tip I would have never ever gotten those stupid flaps to stay in place. The instructions show how this should transform but with the shoddy “nylon” and plastic Apeface is shit. I tried desperately to convince myself that this transformation would be easy as it is a siege figure. Siege figures are easy. Mine won’t even transform all the way, the pegs to hold my figure together are so cheaply made that they still have mold outlines on it

[@strangeapprentice]

Can you give us an update on the plastic? Did it break?

[@TMan978]

I'm so happy somebody else had trouble transforming this guy. Also people were hurt that I didn't like the white plastic. Plastic looks like wax for crying out loud.

[@BlackhandPL]

I hope BPF won't KO this. They messed up Siege Prime - the hinges that connect front wheels to the torso are made out of brittle plastic and the panels which should tab into thighs in the vehicle mode do not tab at all. There are some stupid changes, like shape on shin fillers (trapezoid tabs no longer fit into appropriate holes). The only thing they did right was keeping weapon pegs and Siege ports 5mm. Aoyi (formerly Black Mamba aka BMB) so far made good Sideswipe and Hound (there are even some improvements - painted taillights on Sideswipe, added tabs on shins which make his vehicle more solid, Hound's backpack pegs correctly in robot mode, my only real complaint are upscaled weapon pegs and ports and the fact that Sideswipe's head is on swivel). Aoyi nailed their Terrorcons too (my only gripe is that Cutthroat has Slag's gun instead his own), so their future products most likely will be even better.

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

The silver... smutz (dried energon blood?) looks pixelated, square edges. Like modern camouflage printed on. Rather than having it splattered or brushed on.

[@doklatcake9394]

Some one tell Hasbro to re paint it and re mould the robot face to make a Optimus primal because it would work and the jet could be his cybertron mode

[@pious83]

I really would have preferred the Horrorcons being a random addition to the Masterpiece collection.

[@hotwheelsbrothers687]

Mine doesn’t hold together in ape mode

[@thecasualknight2647]

Added the titans return appeface head to the earthrise robot mode and for some reason it actually makes the figure look better .

[@colinraynard]

My copies of the shield on apeface decide to break. Don't know if that happened to anyone else

[@xibecou2b]

he is the only Siege toy that has no waist Swivel! :(

[@TheForeverRanger]

What is it with you and figures with loose joints?

[@tristanwilliams4180]

i dont know why people would have to be nit picky about the battle damage paint, it is suppose to be the effects for War on Cybertron

[@c.o.n.collectingofnostalgi889]

An oversize would be awesome

[@inosuke2679]

I don’t know why but I always think apeface is a deluxe class figure

[@Shurbryn23]

Looks fine to me. He looks badass to me. Why not just repaint it if you don't like the "schmuts"? :P

[@officerbarbrady8387]

I think I'll still get him

[@benburrell2725]

If you slide the bottom of the wings out. They slot into the butt flap

[@ryanc6767]

I wish there would have been a takara version with the white plastic. They shitted on Wheeljack as well.

[@ATMNS]

When do we get the new studio Series figures?

[@salvadorstudios7034]

2020...

[@RockdownPlus]

Not till 2022😁

[@vutava8292]

I don't understand why there are people that don't want the plastic "feel" described. Isn't the whole point of watching these reviews to get the info we otherwise can't get without handling the thing ourselves?

[@ah08223]

was planing to get this. good think I always watch your reviews before making any purchase. will wait till Hasbro make a new Apeface better than this

[@Flandre_Scarlet8]

TBF. the soapy looking plastic means he won't Discolor and it fits his character from being a gross dude

[@samf4073]

So can we get it or not

[@12345legofreak]

Your critique on the wings is uneducated. Apeface's disign is based of the g1 toy and cartoon. His wings were like that. His plane mode also looked like that in the show.

[@donkeykong6426]

the shield can also be a blade weapon

[@juancabeza5809]

First they are reducing plastic windows in favor to cardboard now they're going cheap with the figure's plastic too? Hasbro need to step up their game!

[@guyfireyboi1982]

Getting rid of the plastic windows is actually a very good call for everyone involved. And the nylon used for Apeface is more sturdy than the usual plastic....so....

[@chocobobafett6187]

Balt: The amount of flex here is inexcusable in 2019 (rough summary of what was said) Personally, I'd rather have the pieces flex rather than snap. Also as people have said, the wings are supposed to be extended fully in robot mode, that way the flap actually does peg in correctly

[@smig_grig]

Hopefully we get the better headmasters mindwipe and weirdwolf

[@muisverriet]

We already got those in Titans Return.

[@bottomofthebookshelf937]

I was considering to buy this but now eh no thx it just seems cheaply and something to bulk up the quantity of the toyline

[@sloth210983]

Was looking forward to this. Emphasis on was. What a mess. Hard skip

[@pious83]

You would have thought, given Beast Wars was around for several years since the G1 Horrorcons, HasTak would have done a significantly better job with integrated Beast Modes.

[@rav_productions2136]

I hope that rerelease this figure with actual white plastic since snapdragon is so good

[@ender_knight2814]

I think the plastic is great in hand

[@RockinRhinox]

Made of nylon, really? This coming from the same guy who ranted about Prime Megatron being made from recycled plastic because he didn't realize that they just gave him a texture treatment. Or who ranted about the gosie great dragon zord not having a neck when all he had to do was push a button to make it pop out. Every time I watch one of your videos I am just reminded why I stopped watching them in the first place.

[@dgray3771]

Actually the white plastic is nylon. Good stuff btw. Really flexible so no worry of breaking parts easily especially the really thin stuff.

[@Pandarian300]

white nylon ? you gotta be kidding me...

[@blueink-2230]

Is it wrong that I'll just get the Titans return ape face?

[@dervy1309]

The titans returns version is a targetmaster that has the head.

[@blueink-2230]

@@dervy1309 I know 🧐

[@pedronusprime9280]

I like Snapdragon more, but this figure is awsome

[@chrisroberts6477]

Actually I love the schmutz on these figures lol

[@05-council-07]

Same

[@LordGrim1313]

Brand new triple changer transforms and snaps together perfectly fine in each mode. "This is inexcusable Hasbro! I know you guys don't like it when we reviewers complain about nitpick about non-existent issues but I garenteed this is going to break based on absolutely nothing don't buy please donate to my shiny new Patreon like comment subscribe thank you!"

[@Birdtendo]

I paid 48 bucks for this thing just to have the wing shield break on me. Clear plastic...

[@aaronsmith1961]

Pull the wings back

[@aaronsmith1961]

It will all peg in

[@SuperChochip]

Seriously, he's bending the wings by doing that. PULL THEM OUT!!!

[@mechaknuckle]

I’m the guy whose favorite siege figure is apeface Am I weird

[@mistermadmachine6311]

Nylon instead of actual plastic 😨what did they cut a corner

[@yurushii]

Fantastic review. Too bad COPPA is going to make reviewers like us disappear from KZbin. 😠😠

[@MrsDizazter]

TK Transformer Kong TK, Transformer Kong here Hey guys, a member is here His tech's so rad you'll drop your beer He can transform into a space jet So all those bananas, he can get He can transform into a man to scare, Those kremling out of there UNH

[@insanefreddy7607]

What does UNH mean?

[@34warmachine]

Mine doesn’t feel cheap at all. The toy feels like it’s hefty and I’m not as worried of it breaking compared to others, your complaints are weird and kinda reaching

[@e.overbay7949]

Srry Balt really not liking this one never was a huge apeface fan so was really hoping to like this one. Think I'll just wait for that over size nxt. year. thanks as always for the tips.

[@dexterthoma867]

OK Madella

[@lXBlackWolfXl]

It just seems like Hasbro is struggling. Figures just seem to keep getting worse and worse. Honestly, I've been skipping a lot of videos as of late just because so many figures coming out are so bad. I rarely find one I want to buy anymore.

[@im_ener]

I mean the weaponizers and refraktor are pretty good

[@Yesitsmyrealname]

When you realize all we need is The Rumored Snapdragon, Broadside, Sandstorm, Blitzwing and Octane In Earthrise and we have complete, Perfect Triple changers

[@rubiconprime1429]

I am very excited for Snapdragon. Unlike Apeface, he can get away with “G1 with more articulation” in my book” :)

[@Yesitsmyrealname]

@@rubiconprime1429 Sixshot pulled it off too

[@ShadowKatt]

I did not want him before. This video has not changed my opinion. I never cared about him before but I believe there are third parties that do much better.

[@master5gamingandotherstuff490]

Hope to see Astrotrain next :3

[@DavoSideMika]

Really wish they'd not decided to paint splatter as dirt and damage all over these siege figures bc I don't like it at all

[@daltonwilliams1723]

Without a doubt the most disappointing siege decepticon

[@jamesjohnson6545]

Who else got je-baited by the product images and preordered him?

[@gar2yc]

Fucking hell Balt, your figures always show up with loose hips or weak knees, what god of RNG have you insulted to be cursed in such manner? This figure is giving me TR Wirewolf vibes... Going to break itself inside the package. ("Die-cast didn't break", no it didn't but the paint would chip-off on it's own over time and any nail contact with it would leave a scratch).

[@hotwheelsbrothers687]

I don’t care for the battle damage!

[@nixnoct4883]

Hopefully snapdragon doesn't have this problem.

[@05-council-07]

It's not a problem, read into the purpose of nylon plastic

[@Tjadimax]

I really wanted to get this figure at first, but after this review, I don’t really want it anymore

[@05-council-07]

He's good, I would recommend looking somewhere that has the opinion of more than 1 person, like r/transformers on reddit, on all of the posts that talk about him, the person really like him

[@열가지-r2l]

Great! Most of all, It is cool and lovable.