Transhumanism: Could we live forever? BBC News

[@thelegend3965]

There’s a difference between living and surviving.

[@ShiroIsMyName]

Yes, right now we are only surviving, against diseases, like cancer, aids, or aging. Once we'll get those out of the way, we will truly live.

[@someaipretendingtobehuman3157]

Both of are lasted forever, if you stop being meatbags.

[@MewMewYu1]

Next up: people with enormous egos trying to feed their egos to a machine.

[@MewMewYu1]

@Ai'la Ashworth You're not wrong... but I do have my concerns. I just hope that the new technologies we will discover in this field will be used by the right people and approached carefully.

[@Conservative76]

How so? What do you mean by right people benefit way more from it? I would much rather die (but I'd rather be raptured) than to become a machine or live forever.

[@tacorevenge87]

Spot on

[@mantralibre1367]

@@MewMewYu1 it won't. Once on the market, technology is pure coercion. Let alone something that will "enhance" humans for a cheap price. And let alone the ethical and estetical implications, it will cause new terrifying scarcity issues.

[@gabrisage6477]

I rather grow spiritually in evolving my consciousness than be a machine … they want to take our lives and preserve our conscious minds for their own gain

[@gregory_adam5350]

Every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess.

[@humanrace6224]

@Anonymous Person hail satan

[@Mara_Natha_]

Amen

[@edwardsyrek6737]

@@humanrace6224 , you serve a defeated foe, and even Satan and his cohorts know that their end draws nigh. Matthew 8:29 "And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us [before] the time?” That was 2'000 years ago. They have much to fear today.

[@thefeatherbird_]

@@edwardsyrek6737 you have no soul. One day when you die you will fall into an endless, dreamless sleep and rot till nothing is left but dust. One day, no one will remember you. But im not saying anything you dont already know, even if you deny it.

[@debn2076]

@@thefeatherbird_ well, you've just accurately described hell...

[@ghostofdayinperson]

Aging is the most barbaric thing in the world

[@ghostofdayinperson]

People who aren't delusional are rightly afraid and angry about it because we know it's horrible.

[@ghostofdayinperson]

Exactly -- I actually meant that in the sense that aging is the process of dying.

[@KrishLius]

+ghostofdayinperson its the circle of life. if people want to live forever they have to leave the circle and become something else. machine perhaps. according to nature all that was ever born must perish. even the universe itself isnt free from that circle. but there is an unnatural way of living forever

[@JCorvinusVR]

+ghostofdayinperson It's horrible. If we cured aging we'd get so much further. Imagine if we still had Tesla, Einstein, Gauss and Feynman? Aging must be stopped.

[@MO-jy6sm]

+CorvidDude Yeah. And be 30 millions on Earth? No thanks.

[@randomstuff6006]

I'm not afraid of death. But I could choose between life and death I'd pick life. Idk why but it seems more fun

[@AP-fo5cf]

Random Stuff Even if your not afraid of death itself, you'd surely want to see humanity colonise the universe and all the new scientific knowledge.

[@markbest5672]

Random Stuff Probably the most balanced and reasonable attitude towards this issue I’ve seen on the net.

[@ES-hq5ez]

“The saddest aspect of life right now is that science gathers knowledge faster than society gathers wisdom.” Isaac Asimov. The aging process is unhealthy and reversible. People like Aubrey de Grey are actively working towards combating age-related decline, but a lack of funding and public support inevitably slows down progress. If you wish to get involved, please come join us on discord! discord.gg/SWpFucZ

[@whatthequestion.4600]

manu ochenta I don't think nuclear war will happen. They (the people who possess those arsenals) love ruling over others, if they nuke the World nobody will be left to rule. That alone should be enough to buy us some time while we wait for a new (and much more sane) leaders.

[@pmp1306]

That is why aches and pains start, so that you emotionally graduate/fade out of living.

[@ShinySilverBunny]

Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

[@airlebron7467]

No one wants to die but I can see the bad side of it to.

[@jjworld1393]

Shutup horse

[@charby5875]

Nah, install shut-off switch in your new robo-body. Easy-peasy.

[@insertname7704]

Jokes on you I'm a pagan

[@STRANGELOVE652]

Context bruh

[@philcarroll9671]

The beginning dialog sounds like the words an evil scientist who thinks he's doing the world good, but in actuality he's destroying it.

[@thuledragon6663]

A life where there is no sadness, is there really happiness?

[@Arcaryon]

Good question; people actually talked about this rather extensively already; basically, it can be argued that despite not experiencing something bad, we still value things such as fresh air; something that is extremely rudimentary. You don't have to die to want to live and in a world without sorrow, happiness will not be any less appreciated. When you fall in love, the experience, for example, is pleasant no matter what your previous experiences were. And in the end, even happiness is just a chemical reaction.

[@DeeDee-ie8nh]

You can’t appreciate one without the other

[@emg253]

Yeah. Heaven. The afterlife. Humans are just passing by here and we have free will and the ability to research and find this out.

[@squamish4244]

Plenty of people who don't experience a lot of sadness in life are happy. Plenty of people who experience a lot of sadness never are. It's a false choice.

[@louisaccardi2268]

As long as the human heart is evil and not changed all of the great things this world has to offer would still lead to emptiness and not lead us to true happiness. That is only granted by God Himself through the Lord Jesus.

[@memorie65]

I think in order for one to want to do this is that you have to believe you have no soul.

[@Kriskogames]

Exactly

[@Arcaryon]

The thing is; maybe we have something like a soul. But I think that biology is a very good explanation for our existence and our consciousness and in the end, faith is born to give people hope while faced with death - and if death is no more, no one would have the need for faith. In the future, we will not just become smarter in ways beyond our physical comprehension, no we or our descendants will literally rival what some of us describe as "gods". We will be godlike. Immortal, all-knowing, beyond anything that makes us human.Sure, I wouldn't want to lose my humanity but the idea that I have a soul is a small price to pay for an everlasting life.

[@hytalefanboi7471]

Words like soul or god or fate were invented when there was no Science.

[@arturmatik]

@@Arcaryon You are already lost.

[@Arcaryon]

@@arturmatik If that means I don't have to die I will take my chance with whatever you may consider a god.

[@anthonymedina5186]

I was born in the wrong century. I will never accept this.

[@anthonymedina5186]

@3 2 I read somewhere that the 1% will not be tortured, 3% will be the law enforcement and elite and the rest of us unwashed masses with be the sheep. Who knows how true this is

[@anthonymedina5186]

@3 2 I picked up a really good book on this subject. Entitled “War Against the Weak” by Edwin Black. The eugenics program started at the beginning of the 20th Century has only become digital. They use the exact same phraseology and refer to targets using the same adjectives. It’s clearly a continuation of the U.S. eugenics program from the beginning of the 1900’s. The book is so disgusting that I can only process about 4-5 pages at a time. I get sick to my stomach.

[@michaelschweigart3517]

Something will go wrong and they'll end up making zombies

[@hmof826]

Yes, robotic zombies 😂

[@pmp1306]

Yeah, the age extended ones get to that zombie stage, while consuming the other kind. (Movie - Death Becomes Her, by Meryl streep)

[@timminh468]

HM OF , when one is 90+ years old they’re basically a zombie anyway.

[@cjbarney7919]

zombie apocalypse

[@tracymathews6555]

We already have that now (Zombies).

[@thedamndoor45]

The moment when you realise that Living Forever is the worst curse ever

[@ShiroIsMyName]

How so ? You still have the choice to end it all at any time.

[@GodsChild145]

@@ShiroIsMyNamethe Bible tells us otherwise!!! They will seek death and not find it! If you want eternal life then be a follower of Jesus Christ and if you are good and follow His law then you will have it.

[@ShiroIsMyName]

@@GodsChild145 My man, you're preaching to someone who does not believe.

[@GodsChild145]

@@ShiroIsMyName I’m a woman and that’s fine, just saying those of us who do believe in Jesus get it ♥️

[@melisentiapheiffer3034]

​@@ShiroIsMyNameThey will seek death and shall not find it. This is still the truth, though.

[@samuelweller9569]

This report lacks any serious examination of the ethics of trans humanism. Not a single opponent of transhumanism was interviewed.

[@null8295]

Technical development doesn't care about ethics and there is no way to stop it.

[@alisonlee3314]

I'm 51 and I've had enough of life. The thought of living forever is my nightmare.

[@bryanwhittle77]

Alison Lee why you're still young

[@cjbarney7919]

lmao im only 20 nd ive had enough im good

[@h88sixtyone38]

If you had enough, you wouldn’t be living

[@ivana_333]

I agree. Who wants to chill here for a long time?

[@zgeist7]

This raises big issues. 1. If people cease to die, how do we handle overpopulation? 2. What if psychopaths obtain superhuman qualities?

[@nozhki-busha]

+C. Wayne 1: People will not cease to die there are always accidents, wars, diseases and other ways to die even if biological aging is under control. Population metrics have shown that birth rates have fallen as people live longer, this applies to every society on Earth regardless of culture. Also technology is arriving to mitigate overpopulation plus space colonizing is a real possibility to address the problem too. 2: Highly unlikely and even if they do sooner or later they will get killed, no matter how superhuman you are it wont stop you being assassinated if you act in a way that merits it.

[@JCorvinusVR]

+C. Wayne The population growth is already dropping below replenishment rate in some countries, like Japan. Overpopulation won't be an issue. As for psychopaths getting superhuman properties, that just means that we need to make sure good people get them too.

[@zgeist7]

Thank you for your comments, Steve, Corvid. Unfortunately, population growth in places like China, India and Africa demonstrate that enormous environmental damage is done before the rate levels off. It only took one Stalin, one Mao Tse Tung and Hitler without superhuman powers to exterminate 10s of millions, Someone like them or Idi Amin with enhanced powers could do so much worse. Had Stalin enjoyed another 20 years, the world would have been in horrible shape. For this and other reasons, I remained convinced of my original conclusions.

[@acbc9984]

Make immortality require sterilization.

[@comablack8931]

There is a constant trend in the world demographics called demographic transition. As country develops, it always gets to lower death and birth rates. That's why overpopulation is problematic in developing world and low birth rates are observed in all of developed world. In an insanely advanced civilization of the future, overpopulation will not be problem. As for the psychopaths, that could be suggested about any kind of weapon ever developed by humanity - any device that would give psychopathic individual an advantage over weaker victims. Still, society will ever strive to regulate destructive tendencies and oppose destructive individuals just like we have for our entire existence as homo sapiens.

[@nikeroach]

Matthew 16:25 If you try to hang on to your life, you will lose it. But if you give up your life for my sake, you will save it. 26 And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul? Is anything worth more than your soul? jesus is the way to eternal life after this one, dont be fooled into giving up your soul to gain life on this earth, he predicted it 2000 years ago

[@natalya_minajw7401]

So true

[@Amrith369]

@@natalya_minajw7401 Not Really.

[@Anhel6]

This!!!!!!!

[@chilled2827]

nope, i'd rather learn everything i can about the universe rather than mindlessly worship a god that'll punish me if i disobey.

[@nikeroach]

@@chilled2827 it's all right bro but just be warned to God's word says a strong delusion for those who have not a love for the truth but would rather believe a lie and all else besides him is non truth.. the knowledge that comes with this world both Heaven and Earth shall pass away but his word will remain, just gota call upon His name, much love

[@JDS141NZ]

It's about time they figured out that consciousness is what matters and worth preserving in this vast universe of ours.

[@JDS141NZ]

***** Good question....I don't know.

[@JDS141NZ]

I've been thinking the same thing, but logic seems to dictate that for the instance that is copied it would, then both would become different directly after as both the clone and I would experience life in different ways. That sounds right lol.

[@TOSUnbound]

+The Incredible Hulk Human thoughts and actions are the result of internal AND external inputs therefore in order for two cloned humans to act alike they would have to possess both the exact same physical and chemical form (a clone) and experience the EXACT same inputs from their five senses.

[@TOSUnbound]

+Shadowzeeb This is because our brains constantly change the way they interpret new inputs based on what we see, hear, smell, etc. throughout every second of our lives

[@katelyn1782]

More like the fuckin opposite. That is what not worth preserving, that's the root of all suffering.

[@Kovaelin]

Aging is the only way to ensure the rich end up on the same playing field as common folk. Comparing aging to slavery is incredibly moronic.

[@hempychik]

“He has placed eternity in the hearts of man. “This is man trying to achieve immortality outside of God. Tower of Babel 2.0.

[@TH-iv9qf]

Amen, it's completely demonic. The Bible is clear, it is appointed to man to die. Nothing will ever change the Word of God Almighty & what Jesus Christ did on the cross, HE already defeated hell, death and the grave through salvation. GOD NEVER TOLD US TO MERGE WITH MACHINES, ONLY HIM!!!!

[@thepresence2095]

During those days people will seek death but will not find it they will long to die, but death will elude them. [REV- 9:6] yes it will be achieved but seriously regreted

[@Gorgo-22056]

hey, found another dumb one :P

[@Lucciii32]

@@TH-iv9qf fake religion

[@Slash8905]

Only a real human being qualifies for the sacrifice of Christ Jesus. Don't let the devil rob you of your human nature.

[@JubsOmega]

We live in such fascinating and scary times.

[@sleeperjake88]

yep not looking for it

[@getyourgameon1990]

Idk if getting rid of aging is a good idea though you shouldn't compare them to rape and murder and slavery

[@jeremyanderson6789]

Reverse aging in humans is a good idea

[@getyourgameon1990]

@@jeremyanderson6789 That living forever

[@jeremyanderson6789]

@@getyourgameon1990 I want to living forveer to save my family friends and tv stars

[@mikeschiedel9215]

@@jeremyanderson6789 TV stars? LOL...

[@jeremyanderson6789]

@@mikeschiedel9215 stop saying lol is annoying!

[@IINesasta]

Cyber terrorism in the future is gunna be great... ._.

[@darklight4242]

+Nesasta well im ready to talk shit to everyone in the whole world :P

[@IINesasta]

?

[@pmp1306]

As of now, with current expectancy (don't let them to lie it to be age 70 now), the currency manipulation goes like this: "kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4K4mX2KrbBoo6M -- Who Controls All of Our Money? American debt does." What would be future deception? Haa haa haa haa.

[@SurrealInfection]

I want a body made up of nano machines so not only can I live for however as long as I wish but I can have storage options for memory, as well as options for looking however I want, whenever I want.

[@SurrealInfection]

***** Yus. Though rather than electronics and robotics, I think I would prefer a more biological form of nanite tech as the interior shell, whislt the outer to be the former. Resistence to EMPs, while still having the ability to learn how far evolution could go. Mmmm talk about a cake and eat it too scenario right? Now I want cake.

[@donarudofutepen9914]

Hey Roslyn Drey. good idea me too. A body of little machines Sick

[@theo2548]

That triggers the question of self. If you could simply change your appearance whenever you want, you could lose sense of "individuality". Psychology shows we need to relate ourselves to caracteristics that are "ours" (so not changing). And philosophically having a cyber-body would make you think differently (structures of representations, thinking, comprehension, senses), maybe in a way in which you would no longer be able to have normal interactions with people.

[@pmp1306]

Start learning at pre-schools and elementary grades fast! Instead of target (remote) torturing the others. "New grads, "like","like","like" saying Caucasians (inadequates) are the participants. For their day-loot, their relatives, skin group kind have set this up. This targeting is a Live Chess Game of hunting & haunting that has the world as its boundary, there are (targeted)soldiers, and these controlling gangs play bishop, horse, elephant, queen, minister etc."

[@jamie193h]

Alternatively, you could just not and just live your life normally, instead of dreaming up stupid ideas

[@steveradanovich4962]

Unless those days were shortened, no one would be left.

[@theblackhole05]

This isn't merely an technological problem it's also a spiritual problem.

[@vitmartobby5644]

Yeah... the issue on which we must ditch these "spiritual" matters...

[@damnyankeesdaughter5427]

@@vitmartobby5644”we”?

[@damnyankeesdaughter5427]

I don’t think they believe is a spiritual/metaphysical existence

[@vitmartobby5644]

@@damnyankeesdaughter5427 We, humanity, mofos said the pursue to transhumanism was also a spiritual problem, I agreed, saying that the spiritual problem is that we must ditch spiritualism all together in favor of a purely materialistic view.

[@damnyankeesdaughter5427]

@@vitmartobby5644 and I said “we” because don’t include me

[@EmmaAnimalWelfare]

Ageing isn't a disease, it's a gift. The notion of downloading our consciousness is fascinating - but I suppose for transhumanists, they're not tied to the idea that being in a mortal human body is an integrity worth preserving. I think at the end of the day, no matter how advanced humans think they are, nature will always triumph in the end - and we're seeing that now as humans are steering the race towards irreversible climate change damage... Also, who would want to live in a world where Jeff Bezos is immortal?

[@DomainAspect]

Why is having a body necessarily better than not? Our bodies are limited by biology. Also, if we simply live as information in a perfect communist state by AI, Jeff Bezos and other elites will no longer have power.

[@jorgelouis709]

One solar flame too large will bring an EMP and a too large temperature rising that whole planet will be on fire.

[@EmmaAnimalWelfare]

@@jorgelouis709 all those living in their cryogenic chambers will be woken up rather quickly 😂

[@ShiroIsMyName]

@@jorgelouis709if only that could happen, that would be pretty metal, luckily for us, our sun is not able to produce such a solar flare.

[@karenford9678]

I think it’s evil sinister and not natural!!!! I don’t want to live forever that would be torture!!

[@ThisGuy-hy7xs]

I can't imagine anything worse than having to live with the curse of "immortality"... Just Imagine how lonely and painful life would be having to bury every single person you met or loved knowing you're never going to see them again...that's hell.

[@Flying_Spaghetti_Monster]

Just put in a suicide option.

[@caffemocca8855]

But those people would be immortal too lol

[@ShiroIsMyName]

Those people could or would be immortal too, and suicide is always a respectable option if you don't feel like living anymore

[@jy221series4]

@@caffemocca8855 it might just be an option for the rich

[@dhunsaker26]

@@caffemocca8855 but what if they choose not to be?

[@MadKingRALM]

I am perfectly okay with living indefinitely, or even having the ability to "respawn", with the ability to have the final death should I choose to finally die.

[@ImperialGuardsman74]

I mean you'd have a final death eitehr way. None of these people are looking for immortality. They're looking for life extension really. End ageing and you get run over. Mind upload and the computer crashes. But you'd be able to move a hand from india in canada.

[@JesusChristDenton_7]

Sarif was right about one thing. It's in our nature to want to rise above our limits. Think about it. We were cold, so we harnessed fire. We were weak, so we invented tools. Every time we met an obstacle, we used creativity and ingenuity to overcome it. The cycle is inevitable... but will the outcome always be good? I guess that will depend on how we approach it. These past few months, I was challenged many times, but more often than not, didn't I try to keep morality in mind, knowing that my actions didn't have to harm others? Time and time again, didn't I resist the urge to abuse power and resources simply to achieve my goals more swiftly? In the past, we've had to compensate for weaknesses, finding quick solutions that only benefit a few. But what if we never need to feel weak or morally conflicted again? What if the path Sarif wants us to take enables us to hold on to higher values with more stability? One thing is obvious. For the first time in history, we have a chance to steal fire from the gods. To turn away from it now - to stop pursing a future in which technology and biology combine, leading to the promise of a Singularity - would mean to deny the very essence of who we are. No doubt the road to get there will be bumpy, hurting some people along the way. But won't achieving the dream be worth it? We can become the gods we've always been striving to be. We might as well get good at it. - Deus Ex Human Revolution

[@chadkanner]

All progress is change, not all change is progress

[@drunkenrampage1588]

I never asked for this.

[@Jesus_Offical]

@@drunkenrampage1588 youre getting a deus Ex quote anyway

[@RicksPhatPharm-vw2lb]

Birth control (cyborg feminism) was the first trans human experiment, what it ushered in was nothing less than moral bankruptcy. It altered gender relations to a point that humans may never fully understand and if you ask women today for the most part the utterly regret it. Cyborg feminism and how it changed feminism of care which was utterly defeated by feminism of freedom because of this trans human approach has not only damaged women (hook up culture) but men aswell. I don't think trans human anything is the right approach. Life for humans as conscious beings is already a shit deal,why extend the heartache? You had no say in how you got here, and you have no say in how and when you die. Why play God, this collapsed the feminist movement and it ushered in trans men and women merely from birth control alone. What else have we not realised about just how dangerous tran humanism cyborg feminism is. It's completely changed the human race, declining growth rates in almost every country. I don't share your sentiment

[@who_am_I1824]

I don't wanna live forever and don't wanna be transhuman

[@RibiRoo]

“And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.”

[@spicymeatballs2thespicening]

Haha hammer to hard drive go CRUNCH CRUNCH

[@RibiRoo]

@@spicymeatballs2thespicening Yeah, you think so..until you backed up in a cloud.

[@spicymeatballs2thespicening]

@@RibiRoo every form of data is on some physical storage, and anyway immortality can mean immunity to aging while still being killable. Copies of your original hard drive won't be you either

[@southparkundersecretwisdom3230]

We already live forever, Conciousness never dies... it's always rtransferred from person to person

[@matermatuta1462]

Yeah but egotistical people with no soul dont understand that. They never will. Thats why they play god.

[@DudeDesi07]

Nice to come across both of you!

[@cndychriz5679]

I like the idea of immortalization(well pseudo) having to volunteer to die than sudden death seems more logical. To me aging is cells dying thus failures of organs and decipation of tissues. I don't like the idea of transfering memories to a machine though or cloning. I like the idea of getting nano machines instead to help the body, thus giving us more time to evolve.

[@notablackperson2126]

CndyChriz are you that entitled you think ur able to say "im worth living forever" society will collapse coz of ur thinking

[@Arcaryon]

@@notablackperson2126 Do any of us actually deserve to live? No. But we do it anyways.

[@samanthasmith2938]

Evolution is not done synthetically..out of all the great intelligent civilizations in the universe not one is synthetic..advanced species use tech. they dont become it..transhumanism is un natural..you seen the borg on star trek..look what happened to them....

[@caffemocca8855]

@@samanthasmith2938 in the universe? What other species do you know outside of known ones on earth The very phone you use is "unnatural". Deal with it

[@samanthasmith2938]

@@caffemocca8855 there are many slecies in the universe..wake up..transhumanism is abomination

[@xxmatrix0xx-oldemail697]

That guy with the long hair and glasses looks like the power within guy from spongebob

[@geekinutopia5899]

Kinda looks like a hippie.

[@sciencedontliebutscientist7083]

This is what happens when you separate church from state .

[@cuddlycrow198]

The most dangerous thing to be created. Transhumanists are not about humanity it's the exact opposite.

[@someaipretendingtobehuman3157]

Transhumanist is transcended of humanity. Did you know human are meant to hunt for food before they start inventing, and become more modern human?

[@unculturedswine4360]

​@@someaipretendingtobehuman3157 the only way you would think like this is if you are a dummy that got brainwashed by darwinian evolution bs.

[@violetsky6929]

It’s not about money. When you know cool people, they take care of you and you take care of them.

[@dannyp2970]

And cool people these days are the one making the future

[@matermatuta1462]

Not about money? Best joke i ever heard. You should be a comedian.

[@matermatuta1462]

@@dannyp2970 and cool is subjectif

[@owlinspace]

We ran a thought experiment to explore what extended life might look like: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iF7EgHWcaMuBf7M

[@nicolarenshaw6460]

Coming soon.

[@IntrospectAvionics]

Biological engineering is the answer not machinery. Just rejuvenate the cells every ten years with synthesized stem cells

[@joyaborthakur9407]

This is a great idea.. We all wants to live forever..

[@vrananikola]

I hope this will be possible in our lifetime

[@cristianguerrero6085]

Who wants to work forever? Who wants to pay taxes forever?... not me for sure!

[@Arcaryon]

You think your workforce will be needed in say 100 years anymore? Look. The industrial revolution already looks like a very minor evolution of society to us today, imagine if you had a robot that runs on some kind of energy and literally can do everything you can do, except flawlessly? That's not some kind of possibility, look at car factories. This WILL happen and both you and I will live to see it happen.

[@theapexfighter8741]

Arcaryon i don’t imagine robots being artists. I think only humans will be able to do that.

[@Arcaryon]

@@theapexfighter8741 For the next few decades perhaps but this: www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/03/ai-created-art-invades-chelsea-gallery-scene/584134/ is already here today. Is it art? Who knows.

[@tn0wl361]

Soo... who's excited for Sword Art Online IRL?

[@DomainAspect]

I'm giving it 30 years.

[@assaultmarine1464]

From the moment i realised the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me...

[@JesusChristDenton_7]

Sarif was right about one thing. It's in our nature to want to rise above our limits. Think about it. We were cold, so we harnessed fire. We were weak, so we invented tools. Every time we met an obstacle, we used creativity and ingenuity to overcome it. The cycle is inevitable... but will the outcome always be good? I guess that will depend on how we approach it. These past few months, I was challenged many times, but more often than not, didn't I try to keep morality in mind, knowing that my actions didn't have to harm others? Time and time again, didn't I resist the urge to abuse power and resources simply to achieve my goals more swiftly? In the past, we've had to compensate for weaknesses, finding quick solutions that only benefit a few. But what if we never need to feel weak or morally conflicted again? What if the path Sarif wants us to take enables us to hold on to higher values with more stability? One thing is obvious. For the first time in history, we have a chance to steal fire from the gods. To turn away from it now - to stop pursing a future in which technology and biology combine, leading to the promise of a Singularity - would mean to deny the very essence of who we are. No doubt the road to get there will be bumpy, hurting some people along the way. But won't achieving the dream be worth it? We can become the gods we've always been striving to be. We might as well get good at it. - Deus Ex Human Revolution

[@Mr_Mistah]

I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine

[@farandymizan6837]

God almighty created Adam from the dust, and returned to be dust. Wanna life forever seems like against god's law

[@TB8452]

I am god

[@teddyferdinan3193]

“An old friend once told me something that gave me great comfort. Something he had read. He said that Mozart, Beethoven, and Chopin never died. They simply became music.” - Dr. Ford, Westworld

[@WalktheWalk-ki9kj]

That is crazy. Yes Mozart died. His music lived on, but the gift he had could only be used when he was alive.

[@maxpower1337]

people don't know how lucky we are to get old and die living for ever would be a nightmare.

[@theeccentricwriter4657]

Woof Grung for you maybe. I'd like to see how the universe ends.

[@mohicanmowl]

Unless you lose your brain. The new global goal seems to be losing brains in some fancy socalled consciousness stuff and then make you pure body, so you can move and consume for ever. You do not have to worry about nightmares anymore, because probably humans will lose their brains at all, and before we realize it we have become something else. There are animals that digest their brains, because it looks like we can survive without it. As my mean is totally neutral on the subject, I hope some creepy scientist will not copy my words and go make those cyborgs right now, lol.

[@RyanlovesTh]

Theres something after the " death " so we live forever

[@ethangray8527]

+Swift Loves Carey If you can prove that I'll dedicate my life to whatever deity or ideology I need to ensure a better afterlife for myself. But in the mean time I am taking my chances with science as a Transhumanist.

[@Ktxl.w]

Eternal life is a curse

[@whytewolfmetatron5435]

We got rich people trying to take over the world rememeber?

[@Arcaryon]

That's part of the issue - society isn't perfect but what if dictators stop dying? What if we don't fix our issues? That is why it is tremendously important to be aware of the issues our world faces. We need to solve the most severe ones rather sooner than later because we might not get to in the future.

[@adamtaylor911]

Someone alive today will still be alive in 2160, according to many statistics. I mean, even assuming there are no massive changes in life expectancy, even I have a 25% chance of reaching the age of 100. We are getting surprising close, especially when you realise there are many people today who will live in three centuries. Millions of them, in fact. Hopefully I will be one of them. And this isn't entirely something which will only happen in the richest countries. For all the bad press poor countries get, the average life expectancy across the globe is about 70. Yes, many countries are lower than that, but I think it's a credit to humanity that we are the first organism to extend life so massively. From the dawn of time until the Industrial Revolution, life expectancy remained almost constant. We have come further in the last 50 years than in the 50,000 before that.

[@kayinolatunji7394]

+Adam Taylor I feel that I will live to see the time, you know even doe they will try to overprice it, I think actually humanity will have to make it a human rights issue and not something that should be sold at high prices. And with that it will be inexpensive to live forever. I think capitalism is to pro money. There need to be a human side to capitalism if it is going to continue. Present the evidence to use how expensive it is to make the treatments and we allow government to drop taxes and other things to allow it to be affordable so the business man can still profit but not profit like a mad man. It is stupid in a world that claims to be civilized to have people be multi-billionaires and yet we still allow them to take advantage of the less fortunate just to get richer. This is something that seriously needs to be addressed. Also the general population need more say in the affairs of their governments. We need to be able to have a say and not just a few people who are supporting their own interest or people interest with money in their policies. We are smart enough to allow more effective systems of governance by allowing people to make decisions that regards us and not support only the rich, who has enough. It is time the poor start benefitting from our hard work. And we need to be the generation that push for this reality. If we don't demand it they will never feel a reason to give it to you.

[@taumaihi241]

Adopt Sardinian ways of living until Elon musk can actually upload our consciousness into a robotic body, it's gonna happen!! Wait and see!!!.

[@KevinGonzalez-vu5bo]

😓😓😓

[@AllThingsAnime2]

Lies. Nobody alive today will still be alive in 2160. If you were born today 2021 you’ll be 140 years ago. We are close, but not yet.

[@bornestellar6334]

@@AllThingsAnime2 And you are basing this on what? Technology is advancing at an exponential rate, especially bioscience and neuroscience. Combined with intelligent AI that can deduce the root causes of medical problems and formulate a proper cure, I could easily see even Gen X'ers and maybe even a few, more healthy Baby Boomers making it to the year 2150. That is, of course, unless we kill ourselves off somehow. When people die of "old age", they're not dying because of age. They're dying because of diseases and illnesses that pervade old age due to the body weakening. Figuring out how to stop cellular senescence and perhaps even replacing organs/tissues with superior, synthetic parts would easily add decades, if not centuries to a person's lifespan. There are already creatures that have evolved to live for centuries if allowed. History has shown that we can use technology to surpass biological limitations.

[@RozayMalikOG]

Excuse me but was i the only one who saw that rat with a human ear?

[@TR-gg5er]

The price of living forever has already been paid for. Yet, many won't believe.

[@mihaela255]

Aging and death come from the soul, the conciousness. It is not into the body.

[@JoshuaSmith99]

Fearing death is natural and up until now, was a required evolutionary trait for a success species on earth.

[@anap1799]

Did anyone else thought Cybermen from Doctor Who when they said "upgrade" human beings?

[@razvancisma4154]

haha :)) ye

[@brunoseal1657]

SATANIC STRONGHOLDS WILL BE SHAME DISASTER WHEN LORD JESUS COMES TO JUDGE THIS WICKED WORLD

[@RobbedCrowd]

I don't like the idea of losing our humanity, I think a neural lace and improving upon a normal body would be a better idea than going virtual

[@WolfieboyMachi]

The label of "human" is highly overrated. And I think most people already realize that at some level. Consider this -- if you are a fan of fantasy-movies like, say, Lord of the Rings. If that universe had been real, would you be racist against dwarves, halflings or elves just because they weren't humans? Would you say it would be okay to discriminate against them? Setting in place systems like "dwarf apartheid" or something? Most likely, you wouldn't. Or at least I hope you wouldn't. What matters is what's going on in your mind, not the physical shell your mind inhabits.

[@mageIIan]

RobbedCrowd What is humanity? Life is nothing more than an experience of a subjective reality within a meat bag that reacts to stimuli. Transhumanism is the artificial continuation of that experience. What do you truly lose in such a transition?

[@WolfieboyMachi]

+Ravall S: It is NOW, yes. However, let's assume that we reach a point where it no longer has to be, either via means of replacing most of our natural body with synthetic material, brain transplants, or transference of conciousness into a computer. At that point, that is no longer the case. And if and when that day comes, why should I then be attached to my current, biological body? Especially if I can get something better?

[@The_Original_Hybrid]

Transcending one's biology =/= losing one's humanity. Our unique brain architecture is what makes us human, and a human brain is a human brain - irrespective of the substrate it's running on.

[@whatthequestion.4600]

Ditch the flesh keep the mind.

[@kempowarrior]

Who want to be happy all time? Without sadness then one cannot enjoy the fullness of being happy. Life is meaning less and boring if you get everything you want and be happy all the time.

[@MrEnjaycee]

True happiness is only achieved by knowing sadness first.

[@ShiroIsMyName]

Happiness is only an hormones, a bunch of molecules, you could be happy all the time and fully enjoy it as long as we tweak the brain to feel that way. It would only require a bit of bioengineering

[@Eat_shit--die_mad]

I don't agree on being happy all the time, but what you're saying is inherently unscientific what causes people to become bored from repeated activities or people to become less happy by doing the same things all has to do with the structure and function of the way our neurons behave alter the interaction and the way that I would function is completely different

[@knotkool1]

for someone to embrace transhumanism is an admission that they hate and fear life. and they will never be happy until they die or erase all form of life. can you imagine rushing to embrace the borg?

[@johncaze757]

But do you know if they will never be happy?

[@canadiankewldude]

Transhumanism will cost your soul.

[@spicymeatballs2thespicening]

Invisible money may as well be no money, good thing I basically lose nothing then lol

[@historiaecclesiastica]

There's a reason there is sacred Gregorian Chant playing in the background - this is a dark and satanic religion. Making a copy of yourself is not yourself. This is the logical conclusion of a world that has lost its sense of the essence of a person, the soul. The only hope of eternal life and eternal glory is found in Jesus Christ and His Holy Catholic Church.

[@Chrisallengallery]

Just imagine the population spike after we figure out how to stop the ageing process.

[@Poltryk]

+HoldOnToYourTails No1 will DO kids anymore... Because why?

[@ghostofdayinperson]

+HoldOnToYourTails Well, obviously the need for reproduction would end, so no.

[@Chrisallengallery]

ghostofdayinperson How do you propose to stop people reproducing? Isn't that already a problem in some countries?

[@ghostofdayinperson]

When we know how to live how we want, we will eventually focus more on ourselves and lose interest in having kids.

[@BenjinWS]

+ghostofdayinperson Even if we got rid of aging, as long as we are human, there will always be an urge to reproduce. Even if we won't be able to die through old age, we will still be able to be killed through illnesses/diseases, accidents or acts of violence. What will carry on your genetic legacy when you have no offspring?

[@arth_steps]

“Eat from this fruit, you shall be like God”

[@angelarce3654]

The devil was not so wrong.

[@arth_steps]

@@angelarce3654 yeah if you think that envy, hate and vengeance are good examples for a human being to follow...

[@louisaccardi2268]

@@angelarce3654 We didn't become like God. We got thrown out of paradise into a fallen and wicked world.

[@spicymeatballs2thespicening]

And then the great invisible man magically took away their mindless utopia based on ignorance in bliss lol

[@santanadrdpl]

They could keep our body but nah our soul

[@refreshrateyes]

there is no soul! stupid christians

[@ToniTalkz]

Our soul be dippin’

[@DraftStreet9030]

I'd rather be dead than stuck in a mannequin for a million years.

[@jbossnack]

Outlawing aging sounds like outlawing reality. Transhumanism may be possible at some level but it will be completely different from being human. The connection between our brain and body is currently what makes us human. Would we still be human if our consciousness exists outside of our body?

[@jbossnack]

Do our human rights carry on with our consciousness? Will our consciousness alone be enough to warrant rights?

[@jbossnack]

If we can replicate the human brain and duplicate our consciousness then we would essentially be immortal. Should human consciousness be immortal? Where did our consciousness come from and where is it going? This Transhumanism movement looks to me like a way for humanity to finally move beyond the physical bounds of this body and planet and go out to learn what what we can in the universe. Our consciousness is limited by our physical body. If we had other senses availbe to our brains we could have new information and an enhanced consciousness. Is our consciousness attempting to find its creator in this universe? If we do will it be like a tadpole finding it's mother or more?

[@vladavuckic5262]

Consciousness cannot be recreated, THINGS they will make will just be good copies, consciousness is beyond our reach.Humans are becoming obsolete and elites want world for themselves only and rest of us will be just robot slaves to them while they think they will become omnipotent like God. They will try to do it but they won't succeed, because God won't allow it. Evil cannot outshine good.

[@normanshadow1]

Our consciousness already exists outside of our body naturally. We don't need technology

[@Nordcamp]

From the moment i understood the weakness of my flesh... It disgusted me

[@Mr_Mistah]

I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine

[@lucasdoherty6139]

Mapping our minds into a digital state doesn’t seem like immortality for myself. I’m allowing a consciousness to take off and live forever from where I left off. It’s like making a copy of a file on a pen drive. It’s just a copy not the actual file. If mapping my mind does literally involve taking the me part of my mind and putting it into a computer maybe then I would consider myself immortal. But I still fear that the me that I feel I am would cease to have any experience, whilst the digital me would have experience and I’m not sure if I consider this continuity of consciousness to actually be the me that I know is me now.

[@eigelgregossweisse9563]

As the Morpheus said, "how do you know what's real?" if it's the five senses that can be artificially produced, this is already a feat in itself...

[@lucasdoherty6139]

@@eigelgregossweisse9563 I’m sure the existence would feel very real and if it was me, my conscious self, that gets to experience it then I’m entirely fine with that existence. However, my concern is not about what it might feel like to map one’s mind into a digital state, but rather whether or not my identity is sustained during the transfer from the material world to the digital one.

[@royalpancakes7807]

@@lucasdoherty6139 I get what you mean. How does one know if their being was successfully transferred or if they were just copy and pasted intoa digital form that thinks its you while the actual you just dies.

[@wotanmituns33]

You can think of it this way. If you can map and copy a person's consciousness without killing this person in the proccess, then one would assume you just duplicated your personality. You could see how you would be able to interact with your digital self and realize, you didn't transfer. You made a copy. You would have transferred and not only copied if you could map the brain in a way that the digitized self can feel what the body feels and vice-versa. Then you would have upgraded/merged yourself with the machine, not simply made a copy in binary code of your thought pattern. I still have this "outdated" idea that somehow our brain and nervous system has some ineffable relationship with a soul/spiritual healm, and we might want to preserve that somehow. @@lucasdoherty6139

[@wotanmituns33]

Also, could you imagine how a digital mind uploaded from a human being would feel if not transferred to a robot or sensorial body of sort? How would it deal with our primordial chemical and biological changes of eating, sleeping and having sex. Would it want to replicate or would it judge obsolete endeavours? So many questions.@@lucasdoherty6139

[@PostRandomly-o5i]

I don't know what will happen in the future But whatever happens will be perfect.I wish we were alive too. I wish to live a long life and see a good future.

[@aaronk8826]

God has already provided eternal life

[@ChrisBrown-gu3tp]

Amen!

[@RedianRed]

yeah sure

[@RedianRed]

@Christina Christina i don't believe in god but i do hope there is something after dead, (Not hell or heaven) and that we (Our consciousness) is the whole universe, we are the universe and we are the universe expriencing itself.

[@natekelly770]

I'm just going to give my two cents on the topic. To the people against transhumanism, I ask you a question. What is the purpose of life? It's to grow. Every life form, animal, plant, fungi, bacteria, etc. It's purpose is to develop and grow and improve. Transhumanism is just an aspect of that. You might say it's "unnatural" but so is alot of other things we have today. Anything with artificial chemicals in is "unnatural" but that doesn't make it inherently bad. Just my opinion guys

[@SuffianMohammed]

People are against 'forced' transhumanism. That's tyranny.

[@natekelly770]

@@SuffianMohammed You do make a valid point. But, in a lot of cases, the general population is rather stupid and doesn't know what's best for them

[@SuffianMohammed]

That's because for most people, ignorance is a bliss. But that doesn't mean that the population should be treated like stupid.. and forcing something against someone's will? Sounds like a perfect recipe for a blowback. Imagine if you had a crush and you kidnap her, and you tell her that it's best for her. Not gonna end well right? Unless her name is 'Siri'.. And transhumanism is an uncharted territory. Shit can happen. Playing with the mind isn't something to be taken lightly.

[@natekelly770]

@@SuffianMohammed True true. It's one of the many flaws with humans. We place too much emphasis on irrelevant things like, freedom and individuality

[@FirstnameLastname77777]

@@natekelly770 if you find freedom and individuality irrelevant i wonder what You find relevant

[@BenjinWS]

*1,000 years later...* "What began as a conflict over the transfer of consciousness from flesh to machines has escalated into a war that has decimated a million worlds"

[@swarnavabanerjee124]

Great to see a fellow Total Annihilation fan here :)

[@damnyankeesdaughter5427]

It’s like no one ever read Frankenstein’s monster. I’ve always longed for home where I’m loved, I couldn’t imagine being trapped here for eternity. It’s sad

[@daxbruce3491]

Wow, real vampires. To quote Freddy Murcury "who wants to live forever?"

[@matermatuta1462]

To awnser the question: narcs.

[@DudeDesi07]

I rather be normal human than transhuman.

[@daxbruce3491]

@@DudeDesi07 I'd rather be an autobot

[@ariajade7852]

This is awesome I suffer from chronic pain and this would solve that!

[@Arcaryon]

It would and eventually, this will go so much further. Imagine if someone that couldn't even open their eyes was able to move freely in a new body. The possibilities are endless.

[@Arcaryon]

@Zhyon Davis I will limit myself to quantum archaeology - it could certainly be possible, the more important question is weather or not we would live to see it.

[@alexiapanaro3244]

@@Arcaryon If u are determined enough to create a body like that, then maybe, you would most likely get rich and you would have reached your goal.

[@alexiapanaro3244]

@Zhyon Davis Spiritual Teacher ?

[@alexiapanaro3244]

@Zhyon Davis who ?

[@audreyandremington5265]

And this is how the Borg started lol

[@jacobblack6707]

Antichrst system

[@romantisanon4647]

“Gold” is only valuable because it is scarce. Having infinite “gold” makes it worthless.

[@Amrith369]

Life Isn't A Material Or Resource. It's An Experience. Have An Endless Experience Sounds Pretty Worthwhile To Me.

[@jamie193h]

@@Amrith369 but you'd have no purpose, we do things in life because we know we have a limited time, if u had forever then you wouldn't need to do anything

[@ImperialGuardsman74]

I'd argue 40 gold bars are more worth than 10. I'd argue one should strive for 40 even if they plan to stop there. =P

[@ninthcrusader2355]

Not really mate. Gold is still important for electronics. An abundance of gold will actually be a good thing for technology. And the price will go down too. So will the non technological aesthetic demand.

[@unebellepatience1197]

@@jamie193h agreed. the reason life is an experience, is because it IS limited - that's what gives anything you spend time doing a sense of value

[@mr.mensch1557]

Toughest part of transhumanism trying to fight the inevitability of death is summarized into three things that stand in the way: 1. The Second Law of Thermodynamics (AKA Entropy) 2. The principle of Ozymandias 3. Murphy's First Law

[@EternalSunrise]

All i hear are hisses and slithers.

[@bastardferret869]

Ha. Best comment.

[@Anhel6]

Lol yes!!!! I 🐉

[@alexandradelinick54]

One may say that according to the Laws of Thermodynamics no energy may be created not destroyed in the universe but it may change form. Thus when we "die" our energy/spirit

[@alexandradelinick54]

Sorry I did not finish. So when we die our "energy/spirit" might pass on to someone or somewhere else. So in that sense we live forever. But in the sense that we live forever in our present form, that goes against the Laws of Thermodynamics, Entropy, Free Energy, etc.

[@spicymeatballs2thespicening]

@@alexandradelinick54 spirits cannot be determined to exist, also would you mind explaining how those laws prevent us from reusing the same energy even with sufficient technology

[@alexandradelinick54]

@@spicymeatballs2thespicening we all have our opinions which are drawn from our experiences, knowledge, studies. Energy does exist in many forms ... So I am free to disagree with you as you with me...

[@spicymeatballs2thespicening]

@@alexandradelinick54 while opinions are drawn from those, facts such as the assertion that souls are a thing are determined by evidence. Anyways would you mind explaining why you think theoretically the laws you mentioned would prevent immortality, I'm just curious

[@alien-ann]

So you want to be an emotionaless robot? Really seems like a downgrade......No thanks

[@Arcaryon]

No, that is the discussion we need. Some people will want to do exactly that, abandon our humanity altogether and live as gods. We need to decide what path we will want to take - and we need to do it now. I mean, look at stuff like the EU - a transnational alliance system born out of necessity. That will become normal all over the globe due to superpowers like the US and China making nationalism invalid for most nations and eventually lead to a world where we have just a single government - the issue? We will need to decide what kind of "people" or machines will lead us and if we mess up, the consequences could literally doom humanity.

[@alien-ann]

@@Arcaryon I don't know about you buddy but I don't want to live forever especially not in this shxty generation

[@Jdubski-dk7ml]

I just wanna live forever cause I’m so excited for what the future could bring if humans come together and work on spreading through out the galaxy and universe

[@fafh01]

Me too. See human try to figure out unknown or create new things are enjoyable. I love human because they’re never stopped develop. We’re an infant in our galaxy . And there’re a lot of galaxies out there to explore.

[@jamie193h]

But they won't, we never do, immortality will just bring about new problems that will divide humanity and will result in more horrific events. Human nature doesnt change, the scenarios in which it shows do, might as well stay mortal instead of being a dreamy naive

[@Mikamichae]

@@fafh01 you won’t be human that’s the point, they are looking for trans humanism, posthumans, implanting technology into your brains, they already been doing experiments on how to implant certain animal like abilities such as seeing things at different frequencies that humans can’t see into the human brain, by the time any of the stuff you mentioned happens there will be no need for your average human, ai will be too intelligent at that point for any use of human and the only descendants of humans left will be those who have been merged with technology, most likely the offspring of elite billionaire families, not the average member of the public, these are not theories also the research for this have been funded for almost ten years now

[@Mikamichae]

@@jamie193h exactly we only evolve technologically, this isn’t human evolution it’s devolution, the more advance in technology the less we need to use our brain, look at Alexa from Amazon, we can’t even be bothered to search things ourself anymore instead we ask a machine to do it for us, slowly becoming more useless

[@s.tahiti2754]

living forever... obviously the elites don't want the whole world population to live forever. All elites (ie bill gates) like transhumanism but also eugenics. They just want themselves to be immortal, they think they are gods and that we are nothing but pawns that are disposable.

[@zoejeremy9671]

I'd much rather get another get 20-50 years in this body, than immortality in a machine.

[@Kriskogames]

@@Zeuswashington you and everyone in the comments talking literal bs. You will never die, you have never died and nothingness is myth that is already scientifically debunk. Idk how more dumb you should be to want to live "forever" when you already never die. Sh

[@wisdomandlove1661]

@@Zeuswashington Man or woman never dies their life force is converted to another form in another dimension he or she lives.

[@clayandputtyvideos1647]

That is because you can not imagine what it would be like to actually live in a machine. It's impossible for us to imagine this.

[@shixnigz3947]

So you want to live until 20 ok go ahead.😋😂😂

[@rozsa7828]

we were meant to live forever but sin entered the world

[@Amrith369]

Uh No.

[@EliteprosoldierMW3]

@@Amrith369 yes duh

[@RahulZRahman]

Looks like the creation of skynet has just begun.

[@tim3854]

more like being a soulless zombie forever

[@mystudioproductions6209]

U don’t need to live forever live and die like everyone else

[@nezmustafa4271]

No I want to live forever

[@Zeraphym47]

i think the only people who want to live forever are the one who are not capable of thinking that through thoroughly

[@singularitynews6299]

+TheWesnik So you're saying that you want everyone to get arthritis, dementia, cancer, and other painful diseases? Because you know the only way to cure these diseases is by becoming immortal.

[@Zeraphym47]

Singularity News no i am not.... but i am gonna say your reading people skills suck ass after that comment you wrote:D

[@ericaawake9503]

That's fucked up and sick. Only psychopaths would think of doing suck a thing.

[@sergiodiaz1365]

No

[@eigelgregossweisse9563]

The vaccines did that, and are starting the process. Question is, what good does their Trans humanism do?

[@pistolpeetlokk]

You can download the mind but not the soul

[@CuttinBlade]

If you live forever you are no longer human. I rather be human.

[@darellarocho-leon3986]

Sadness is a human emotion, getting rid of it isn't even close to being human. This sounds more like some sort of dystopian society controlled by the government or some sort of mega corporation.

[@Arcaryon]

It could be which is why we need to talk about what we want, a copy, an extension, what kind of emotions, "flawless" or flawed ( human ) - there is a lot to say about all of this but I think we have the potential to find the right answers BUT we need to have this debate and not leave it to some sort of wealthy businessmen and scientists. It is the greatest chance to achieve real freedom but it could also be the end of it.

[@SophiaLMitchell]

people trying to escape judgement

[@jasperpesado28907]

11:08 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

[@caffemocca8855]

You are so arrogant.

[@Maaida-love]

Thanks. I want to go jannah and stay here at the same time. But I hope one day inshAllah scientists might be able to make human life longer

[@Lsutton04_]

I want to go to heaven hopefully peacfully i will wait for my time to go why would you want to stay here

[@Bruh-jr2ep]

Because you can create your own heaven on earth :) And also the odds are pretty high that you would go somewhere after your death. There isn't a single proof of heaven.

[@gabrules2003]

I want to be with the Lord of Lords.

[@skywatcher7272]

Who wants to live in a world full of hate and controlled by those who just keep destroying this world and everything in it. Seems more like a Hell you. Choose to stay in forever. No thanks. I'm looking forward to my New Incorruptible body Jesus promises on His Return :)

[@Bruh-jr2ep]

@@skywatcher7272 Spoiler: he won't come back. Jesus said supposedly that he will come back in same generation as he left. He didn't.

[@comanchio1976]

Good! The fewer deluded religious folks in the world, the better! Everyone's a winner! :)

[@SJJPPPCCCC]

And so long as Men die, liberty Will never perish - Chaplin

[@cronos4024]

A limiting time and a limited mind with no idea of our future. If we dont grow and evolve we will be outclassed

[@JohnWhite-ry8te]

This paints a weird picture of transhumanism, makes the whole ideology look like a bunch of sweaty Star Wars fans trying to make their fiction come true. Transhumanism isn’t always that extreme, some just long to improve themselves with technology and go beyond what humans are. Prosthetic limbs, enhanced senses, organs that won’t fail, etc

[@playinragz8183]

If you believe they will stop because of morals you’ve not been paying attention.

[@pgtips4240]

This is a load of utter nonsense! The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. This is a counterfeit of eternal life, Jesus is the real eternal life.