Trapping an Immature Red-tailed Hawk

This is a video I made about trapping Red-tailed Hawks for use in falconry. This ancient sport is still legal today in the US and is highly regulated. No birds were harmed during the trapping or during the making of this film. We used a bow-net to trap the hawks in Monroe, NY. For more about falconry please visit ehfalconry.word...

[@alvij32]

I am not a falconer, but am admirer of the relationship between man raptor. It takes great amount of time and diligence to prepare for ownership of this animal. I look forward to seeing more of your videos, and soon hope to acquire and apprenticeship.

[@daimyo101]

I know nothing of falconry, but I learned something here reading all of these posts. I am happy to learn that you catch them young therefore there is no chance of the bird having a nest with chicks. I am also glad you release them after a while. I also did not know that falconers brought back the peregrine from almost being extinct.

[@FDLE4ren6]

Raul In the US we are very very regulated. One must Apprentice under close supervision before moving on up the ladder. All this after proper housing and testing has been done. Birds mate for life and other then for banding the juveniles are taken. As mentioned by another the survival rate goes up 70-80 percent once in falconry and held over until the second or third year. Falconers are indeed conservationist and (by some) given a bad rap.

[@daimyo101]

I have to say I am impressed. If I had time, I would dive into it.

[@goshawk1974]

Not only that, the Beatles broke up and water's wet!

[@furyfalcon1019]

Nice video folks, I am a falconer, and was a little confused as to why you did not hood and jess her, and have not seen the tape method before in trapping. However, she is a beautiful bird, hope you train her well!

[@MrSaucyBeans]

3:15 I laughed so hard. What you guys have to understand is that these falconers take every care when trapping the bird as so not to injure it. only 5% of redtailed hawks live to see their second year, so by doing this they're SAVING the bird.

[@danmeadowsmusic]

Where did you find that 5% statistic? Can't seem to find it anywhere.

[@goshawk1974]

@celticwhatever; Birds are not people. You might want to buy a bird book.

[@goshawk1974]

+celticpatriotable I'm not cleaver. I just love falconry. You just put it down. Stick to your horses and I'll just defend the sport of falconry... OK?

[@goshawk1974]

wolfgirl Don't tell Dogwoman, you're a horse trainer too? AKA, celticpatriotable?

[@sahline5738]

werd no one is acting to my coment=)

[@TheAccipitriformes]

For science purposes one does not have to put tapes and bags around the bird... simply holding it properly works just fine. We have been able to ring, put transmitters, get blood samples and check the condition of the birds without any special tapes or bags... Only about one bird per 5 years gets away and every year a lot of birds are caught... So IDK why they needed to put the bag and tapes around the one hawk that wasn't going to be a falconry hawk...

[@caminoprojectUS]

so that it would not be injured while they decided which bird to use. a younger bird is easier to train.

[@TheAccipitriformes]

Yeah... but they can decide that without taping them or putting them into the bags, trust me >.> I can get all the data I need from a bird of prey (various lengths, weight, in what state are they... so if their feathers look nice and how they react, put the rings around the feet, sometimes put a transmitter on a tail feather of if it is a bigger transmitter then it has to be installed like a backpack) without any problems and no need for taping the bird or putting it into a bag... (well for weighing I have to put the bird into a bag but it looks more like a shopping bag rather than a bag that completely surrounds the bird, causing more stress...

[@mkeguy375]

Aquila pomarina Rules in Falconry include how many you can trap in a 12 month period. So if the older of these two birds had been the youngest caught that day - they may have used it. So its not quite as cut and dry as it may seem on the surface.

[@TheAccipitriformes]

It still doesn't explain the reasoning in taping them and putting them in a bag >.< . Believe it or not... I'm fine with falconry even though it is taking a wild animal and inhibiting it's freedom... but it is a great activity that helps people relate to birds of prey and nature itself. I just wish that the means used in this video were a little bit less stressful for the birds in general :S

[@mkeguy375]

Aquila pomarina There are many ways to look at it and everyone is definitely entitled to their own opinion as long as they do not come after other peoples privilege at the activities they wish to pursue. Because the other side of it is the fact responsible Falconers are giving a young inexperienced bird a high chance at surviving to be an adult. An inexperienced hunter is going to have an even lower chance at survival when your skills dictate your survival. That goes for absolutely any species on this planet. Do I agree that there may be other ways to secure the bird? Abso-fricken-lutely!! But i have to say there is no chance the bird is going to hurt himself with this method. While holding is fine when its basically a catch and release as with your situation, these guys also had to worry about him while catching the next bird, transporting him/her home, getting the bird outfitted with his jesses. (on and on and on) This method allowed basically a zero chance of the bird hurting himself. Which I am positive that 99% of Falconers out there care a lot less about themselves getting hurt as much as they care about the bird hurting himself and worse yet realizing they potentially allowed it to happen. This apprentice and sponsor surely demonstrated the level to which they care about keeping the bird safe. The stress is going to be there no matter what unfortunately. He/She thinks they are about to be someone's dinner at best. While I am not yet an official Falconer, I am very much looking forward to they day for my first free flight. I can't imagine the range of emotions. Going from worried sick that the bird is going to just leave you, to the what has to be an indescribable feeling that the bird made the choice to come back to your glove. I can not wait for that moment in time. Until then its nothing but gorging on information and looking for friends that will allow me to get involved to prove my dedication to the sport until the day I feel comfortable not only asking someone to sponsor me, but being certain I can provide for my bird no matter what he/she may need. At least we can agree on one thing, we both are in LOVE with these birds.

[@uatu3021]

I was surprised to see that you did not hood it after capture, but I liked your travelling box. Was it constructed along the lines Jemima Parry-Jones recommends?

[@blackrabbit6108]

Really is an 'immature' red-tailed hawk, it's sticking it's tongue out at everyone smh

[@C5Ceezus]

Lmfao

[@dynamitedon1955]

All birds of prey do that because they are in shock... Stupid

[@jimbailey1122]

Friend of mine started falconry with kestrels and prairie falcons. while he liked the kestrels, they were more of a "training" bird (this was back in the 70s when peregrines weren't available) so he moved up into "stressful" relationship with a Prairie Falcon named "Bruiser." He quickly learned PFs were just too free-spirited and temperamental for effective falconry, so he got a tip to try red tails. He's retired from falconry now, but he stuck with red tails the last 10 years because they were so trainable, predictable, and fairly low maintenance compared to most larger falcons.

[@funkyzaki]

1:05 shh.. shh.. you stick your finger out there one more time im gonna cut it off, you dont understand, youre flashing, i dont wanna bird coming on to my face, if comes for my face i go for yours.. LMAO..

[@patarnadeak5292]

that was a best part,lmao

[@Midas-rf4lo]

I would just like to say to everyone that's *against* Falconry that this is an ancient sport. Would you have gone back in time to say, "No, stop hurting the bird, jeez all you wanna do is kill it!" But look at the statistics, only 1/4 passage (in their first year) Red Tails live to their next. But by trapping the bird and training it to become a lethal hunter and increase their population. People in ancient times relied on falconry very heavily to feed themselves *and* the bird. And, don't come on to these videos just to hate on them, go start a fucking campaign for all I care. And if you say 'Stupid Americans, killing these birds; hurting these birds, etc" then take a look at other countries' way of regulating this. In America, you have to pass a test, get a few licenses, build a mews and then have it inspected by the state gov't. If a falconry bird get injured, falconers do everything that they can to cure them or heal them. If you had a choice between starving to death in the wild, or being a falconry bird, which would you choose? Now think twice before you question things.

[@bshinjp]

Except killing Jews weren't honorable. (Except to Nazis.) Falconary was. Falconary dated back as far as Roman Empire times and Chinese Dynasty Eras. This was an honorable sport. Killing Jews ain't a "Sport". And you spelled Ancient wrong.

[@trueamericaniii6976]

Lol in a way by trying to stop falconry you are the one trying to hurt the birds

[@trueamericaniii6976]

@@DerGrosseKommentator this has nothing to do with anything dieng so I don't know why you had to take it there

[@DerGrosseKommentator]

@@trueamericaniii6976 Your name says it all, one can`t take you guys seriously.

[@DerGrosseKommentator]

@Zachary Currier Degrees in Sociology (B.A.) and Sustainable Development (M.Sc.). Animals have an intrinsic value but you guys have an anthropocentric view on things.

[@DamonHowe7]

Its these kind of videos that makes me wish I got into falconry. Very professional, and anyone watching even the first 2 minutes can tell these guys know what they're doing and that the bird's protection is #1 priority.

[@FDLE4ren6]

Damon, even though a relative good video there are some flaws in the handling of the birds. It's also these kind of videos that tell people how to go out and do it and not have the proper license.

[@TheMbnaro]

This is not proper handling of a wild hawk... Do not replicate

[@willislake1700]

You're welcome. Redtails don't "need" a hood but it makes a huge difference when manning and training. I make my apprentice hood his bird. Not only for the birds sake but for him to learn how to properly hood a bird. This will help him if he ever flies an accipter ir falcon.

[@JoeMahedy41]

Thank you for showing me this, I am so excited to go out and try this! I've always wanted to have a hawk and now I know how to get one. Great video.

[@americansharpy]

Is this near Mt Peter Ski area? Have done plenty of raptor watching and banding in Orange Co.

[@marethdeadly7386]

you guys look like you're in the NY/PA area. Beautiful bird and lucky! I wish i had the room, i'd be getting my falconry permit if i did.

[@Tryinglittleleg]

Thank you for returning it

[@SpiralSkies]

Hawk: my years of training I will find a way ou- Hey! Get that condom off of me!!!

[@ManicMindTrick]

"No birds were harmed during the trapping or during the making of this film" Except the fucking pigeon that got smashed!

[@Midas-rf4lo]

The pigeon wasn't smashed. look at it, it's fine

[@daemonzap1481]

@@Midas-rf4lo It looked hurt though

[@user-oyfoglhv73]

Agree!!!!No falconry anymore!!!!!!! falconry=slavery

[@Sylerwin]

There is about a 70% mortality rate for raptors in the wild in their first year. While in the care of a licensed falconer, the chance of survival is much higher. And the wonderful part about it is that they ARE re-releasable unless under certain circumstances of injury, which is just as likely to happen in the wild. So a falconer may choose to trap a bird during it's first migration, hunt with it for one season, and re-release it into the wild, and the bird has learned more hunting skills.

[@tarisco614]

Beautiful bird. Your sponsor seems like a knowledgable guy. Congratulations

[@impossibruru]

I wont lie I kinda laughed at the hawk burrito

[@tehprotrollboi6472]

i died from laughing

[@elijahw180]

I love hawks there my favorite animal

[@bonedustt]

+ImpossibRu especially with the hawks face

[@Imagi77]

A very unhappy hawk burrito xD

[@bonedustt]

XD

[@rloredo2348]

WOW! it's basically the real life version of Pokemon! catch a wild animal and then train it to do your bidding... This one must be Hawlucha. Where's its little mask?

[@willieboy8798]

you gave me an idea on a bait technique ...I am going to try it with out the trap first!!! you missed the part of getting her to feed in captivity? dont you need to coakes them to eat? im learning !!!! thanks for posting...

[@em6814]

Why didn't you hood them right away?

[@toddoetken4092]

It calms the bird.

[@antonioubaldi6799]

in italian and i just ridden Arte Venandi cum Avibus, lOn The Art of Hunting with Birds, is a Latin treatise on Falconry written in the 1240s by Frederick II. Beautiful!

[@buslawjim]

Another suggestion to not stress the bird as much and for easier manning is to go to quiet darkened place the first time you remove hood then sit and sit while she bates. Make sure chair has a good armrest. I sit in my living room with lights out and blinds closed and a little light from hallway. Bright lights in that room the bird is saying wtf more so than if dimly lit room.

[@SpamProductions413]

The falconer I went trapping with brought it with him, he goes trapping pretty much every weekend during the fall and early winter. Sorry I can't be of any more help, but you could check northwoods falconry or mike's falconry, those are two good websites for falconry supplies.

[@ronaldaraica]

I love to see them soar and hear the scream a red tailed hawk makes sadly even though there's quite a few in so cali it's a pretty rare site maybe they should bread a few and release they're not only beautiful and graceful in the air they are one of mother nature's true eye candy for myself in this city ..

[@kellysmith6920]

What kind of pole are you using in front of the bownet? Is it collapsible? I've had the issue of finding a pole that is easy to transport and that I can stick firmly in the ground. What's your approach?

[@mrmigsta]

Hey Sam, nice video and great job on your high School project !! Are u still in touch with the guy Upstate that helped you trap your bird? If so do you think you can put me in touch with him?

[@WindDancerRanch]

Could you give me some advice about red-tail hawks? A wonderful wild pair calls my farm home and are usually a blessing in that they eat ground squirrels and chase Eagles away from their territory. They have learned not to eat my chickens because my turkey hens will attack them. But food is scarce for them in this year's drought and they are trying to take my chickens (and risking injury to themselves from the turkeys). I want to setup an area at the far end of my farm where the red-tails' natural prey will be attracted and at a disadvantage when the hawks hunt them. I want to be sure these hawks have their natural food and survive this winter. I am looking for advice on how to do this - can you recommend someone or an organization to contact. I love these birds - please help.

[@goshawk1974]

Just leave them alone and admire their beauty. They'll be just fine.

[@buslawjim]

A few pointers I would highly suggest. Ive trained many RTs. After trapping get inside the car and close doors, hood first to calm the bird down, then take electrical tape and tape the tarsi, then take stocking/pantyhose and secure wings and body. DO NOT use blue painters tape before stocking to f up the feathers when you remove them bad bad idea.

[@niceAswift]

Where did you buy the Bow Net? Searched online and couldn't find. Thank you

[@goshawk1974]

Build your it yourself.

[@berniebass3575]

Everything aside, the older gentleman seems like a power and control freak, l have seen this type of behavior time and time again he will never change,.

[@willislake1700]

I've flown many many redtails and nwver hooded one. The point was with the bars able to touch the wall it would be able to hit those bars. Night or not that birds going to bate. Just my 20+ yesrs of experience talking. Hence why I mentioned it.

[@cockatiels31]

Hey could you use a balcharti trap for a eagle and would u use a hood for a eagle and if so how big would it have to be and could you make it yourself

[@SpamProductions413]

I've gotten that a lot. for whatever reason, my sponsor told me that in his 20+ years of falconry, he's never hooded his Red-tails. Most other falconers I've talked to don't agree, but it worked out ok for me in the end.

[@AtlantaFalconry]

I never hood them. Only coopers and falcons.

[@user-oyfoglhv73]

falconry=slavery

[@ashleystruthers5433]

Really awesome video. I live in an area where there are lots of red tails and i have to be outside with my pets or they will kill them. Is there any advice on what i could do to keep these birds away so they dont kill my animals?

[@brendannielson5292]

theres not much you can do besides keeping them in or staying right next to them when outside.

[@ashleystruthers5433]

@@brendannielson5292 thats what i do actually

[@SpamProductions413]

Thanks for the advice and that definitely makes sense. The day after I took that footage I moved the perch so that it was away from the windows and turned so that his tail wouldn't hit the wall. Wouldn't want to leave him too close to the bars or break his tail feathers. After the first few days he mellowed way down and stopped bating in the mews, but I should have used a hood until that point

[@user-oyfoglhv73]

🤬🤬

[@user-oyfoglhv73]

slavery

[@user-oyfoglhv73]

You are chatching them and you are forcing a wild animal to do anything.It's not a hawk,it's slave！It's your slave!Your slave!

[@user-oyfoglhv73]

I think no one wants to be a slave for 3~10 years!!!!

[@user-oyfoglhv73]

You're selfish!🤬

[@rajguha230]

sir can u please tell me how to feed a wild young roadside hawk,.,...(buteo magnirostris),... please help me if u can,.....

[@invinsibleluke]

Hey in some other videos could you elaborate more on the trap

[@chaca288]

I'm looking into this, but is apprenticeship hard to find or fairly easy?

[@yymonk]

might i inquire where you got this trap,ive been looking for a bow trap with a remote

[@scrubnub709]

3:15 when you tried hard for the photo but you just couldn't find the right clothes

[@rhey81]

You have Guac for those hawk Burritos??

[@SpamProductions413]

I'm not sure what the regulations are like in California, but in New York, you aren't allowed to trap a raptor unless you have a license that allows you to do so. My apprentice falconry license allows me to trap raptors under the supervision of my sponsor

[@RylanStone]

best trapping vid. on youtube, as well i love your blog.

[@yymonk]

can i ask where you got the bow trap?can't find anything on the web,thanx

[@Will-tt5md]

So why put jesses on a hawk? I’m just getting into falconry and want to learn more about it

[@buslawjim]

Falconry in California is legal with a state license and federal permit (next year will be all through the state)-from Ca Master falconer

[@sammyboyde6489]

Where did you get the bownet? Thanks.

[@alanwallace149]

I'm surprised you did not hood the bird. It reduces the stress levels and allows you to feed the bird with the hood on, makes manning, the act of training the bird to be calm on the glove and to accept your presence, so the bird can be trained and ready for hunting more quickly.

[@Sylerwin]

Check out California Hawking Club. You definitely need a license. It's expensive, time consuming, and requires a lot of patience.

[@89Firegod]

Very scenic!

[@itzacutekiwix3121]

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[@bonedustt]

Elaine Wallin They taped it so it wouldn't hurt itself or anyone else. if they don't it will most likely thrash around and slap someone or/and dislocate a wing or something.

[@bobsmith8124]

Why didn’t you hood the bird? Just curious

[@myratremege1272]

I can't believe this, I have had many encounters with Hawks here in Georgia! Oh My, Very Good

[@nat7639]

That face when you receive a F- on your math test

[@43kelymore]

what was that net the red tails were cought in called?

[@jeremy.perlinski8902]

I’m not a falconer yet. I’m just reading the California Hawking Club study guide since I’m studying for test. I’m guessing that they changed the method of putting stockings over them cause it’s dangerous. Cause I’m reading it and it says that method is dangerous as the bird can’t mute and it gets overheated quickly. I know this video is old but I’m sure they changed that rule.

[@treverbodwell2323]

Hello, I live in New York and was just wondering how you found your mentor because it seems difficult to find one in my area.

[@daemonzap1481]

Did you becone a falconer? Its been 7 years

[@jnavarro1069]

It's an awesome sport. these birds develop a short-term symbiotic relationship, then get released back into the wild to Molt, mate, live life, or die depending on what the circle of nature has to offer. These birds have a hard life, they can be riddled with parasites, and as we take up their land to hunt, they fall prey to larger raptors all the time. they fall victim to natural problems even in the falconry relationship . flying into trees, predation, sickness. honestly, at the end of the day, some prefer to stay where they are because they have it better with Their falconer. but please know it's a very short term relationship. they are and will always be wild animals. There's a lot of love and respect and dedication that is required.

[@lordfilth6283]

Awesome video,thank you so much !!!

[@yanetsmith8354]

So does the pigeon get used as a snack for later?

[@DWAIBud]

In California you need a permit, you can get a like secondary permit if you know someone who has one. but that is strictly for research purposes.

[@buslawjim]

Leather strap? Whats the proper term apprentice?

[@SpamProductions413]

After putting him on the perch the first day, I realized the flaw and turned the perch 90 degrees. There's no reason you can't keep a bird unhooded on a perch at night in the mews

[@gonzaloignazi4423]

I think that the only birds that should be allowed to be used in falconry should be those bred in captivity. I hate that it is legal to capture wild individuals to be used in falconry

[@thatweeklystuff5587]

1:58 WHATS GOING ON HERE? Says the falcon

[@jasonbreems725]

awsome video...very cool

[@ad1das41]

Such a cool experience.

[@Shadows987AJ]

Why is the hawk's beak wide open?

[@riffbrancaleone7516]

+Galaxii Gamer Because it's terrified...

[@eagleplaygames1677]

+Galaxii Gamer the hawks mouth is open because its a sign of high stress :)

[@tehprotrollboi6472]

a sign of stress as he said in the video

[@Aviivix]

+IlluMinati Cat √ The beak is open because she's stressed. When the hawk gets put in a dark area though she'll calm down since the stress comes from what she sees.

[@mvinci145]

Im not sure but this area looks like where someone caught my hawk for me. I believe his name was Mike also. Either way good luck

[@wildaboutbritain4264]

His poor tail getting squashed up at the end when put on the perch in his mews.. it should definitely have been moved forward a bit otherwise his tail is going to get completely ruined! Beautiful bird though, but a few things about this that I would see as faults, although I guess each falconer has their own ways of doing things.

[@brendenwebb2527]

What kind of bow net

[@Haterfrees]

You know that one thing people swing around that attracts hawks and falcon because it tangles their feet does any one know what that's called

[@hellofriend1397]

people it is not mean they are not hurting the animal they are training it for falconry, just like people train their dogs for sports, the hawks are practically pets they train and take care of.

[@tofumar]

Very informative.

[@kusemk8]

Where I buy one

[@Redeemed_Team]

Painters tape? Stocking? Technique seems kinda amateur compared to other falconers lol it worked I guess

[@lakenvelder98]

Nice job.

[@dynamitedon1955]

NEVER Tape the feet together then sock the bird ! Sock the bird first THEN tape the tarsus (legs) and feet together around the SOCK. Just in case the Hawk gets loose. Other wise if the bird escapes the feet and legs will NOT be taped together, And the Hawk will survive.

[@Natethanastysnake666]

Very neat experience

[@Ericrotell]

Por que no le.ponen caperuza al.momento de.trampearlo?

[@shurikenplayz5948]

Umm... i am not sure if i am supposed to laugh or gasp at the taped up hawk, but hey what do i know i am a 12 year old boy right?

[@shurikenplayz5948]

Ok i am laughing now bc of the hawk in a sock

[@brizzx32]

So what do you do with hawk, Falconry?

[@Midas-rf4lo]

You train to hunt and see you as a partner. It's simply amazing

[@danielaragao1974]

good lucky with your hawk...have too much patience and good hunt :D

[@TacHatGaming]

Nice job

[@ansonwu2255]

Doesn't they bite people

[@spitfireanimations4000]

like this video, if i ever get a license i try this out.

[@izukubo11]

Sdd Ffg

[@spitfireanimations4000]

+Izu Kubo what?

[@arditzajmi340]

How to make that trap

[@SpamProductions413]

to be honest with you I don't know anything about working with eagles, nor do most falconers out there since they are so dangerous and require a lot of resources to take care of. I doubt you could use a bal chatri trap for an eagle because chances are they could pick it up and fly away with it and they don't usually eat anything that small. Not sure whether or not eagles are hooded. Don't go around trying to trap raptors without a falconry license, you can hurt the birds and yourself

[@LoryskaEntertainment]

It seems strange to throw the hawk to release it. Hawks can go into shock and won't fly, so if you throw them they can just plop to the ground like a sack of potatoes lol Is it too risky to set them on the ground?

[@beresclements2211]

if you put a red tail on the ground it wont fly it will just look at you, this is the best way to do it in most cases. the bird wont just drop out of the sky it knows to fly lol

[@kunibastewart9955]

im frm the caribbean island Tobago... sometimes i see falcons hunting bats how can i catch one

[@goshawk1974]

Bats hang upside down in church towers. Just climb up there in the daylight hours and net one. I think that's the ticket for somebody like you.

[@indianfury711]

i kno in cali this is not legal right?

[@willislake1700]

If I was inspecting your mews I would have failed you on multiple counts. My main one is why is your bird unhooded on a perch that as you are tying the bird down its tail is bent from hitting the wall?????

[@landonohlinger2708]

Interesting. After the comment that said that most rappers died within a year or whatever that was it said I looked up the average life expectancy for a hawk and it says 10 to 15 years 20 in captivity. I don't know about you but if I was a hawk I'd rather live 10 to 15 years in the wild than 15 to 20 in captivity.

[@Toothandtalon]

Landon Ohlinger that’s only if they make it past their first five years. About 10%- 20% make it past their first year and only 5% make it past their first 5 years. The wild is not as forgiving as you think it is.

[@Toothandtalon]

Lifespan is not the same as the chances of survival

[@fleapickin]

If the bird could speak, or the pigeon, do you think you would get permission from them to do this?

[@goshawk1974]

If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle!

[@fleapickin]

Useful input...

[@goshawk1974]

Yeah, just as useful as talking pigeons...I guess.

[@BornAgainstAll]

Jim Morrison If tree's could take do you think they would give permission for us to turn them into tables? Sorry bud, but although I don't agree with escessive animal restrainment, it's not like they are murdering it or torturing it for fun. Aka hunting, although if you are doing it for food that's alright.

[@zx7trev]

Actually Jim, if they could think for themselves, and recognize that they have an 85% mortality rate give or take as first year birds, and they could recognize that they are going to be well fed, kept warm, and given a safe way to learn how to become a better hunter, and a mature bird, and then released later in their life to go make babies...yes...I think they would probably choose to be taken in as falconry birds.

[@FDLE4ren6]

OK now I see something that did concern me.............painters tape on the birds body feathers. Tape the legs and sock the bird. Wonder how many feathers were damaged pulling tape off.

[@zx7trev]

Hav eyou never used painter tape to make a tail guard? It's actually works quite well, and does not damage at all to feathers if it not left on for very long. If you leave it on for days...yes...but as a short term solution, it works great.

[@FDLE4ren6]

Painters Tape should never be placed on the feathers period. A fresh trapped bird should have only the legs tapped if using it. To wrap a bird in painters tape is absurd and un-needed. Yhat's what a sock is made for.

[@Gims110]

That is awesome, and that was one ticked off bird!