Avoid This Scam: 1909-S VDB Counterfeit Detection Process

Recently, we had an interesting situation at the coin shop I work at. Essentially, a customer had purchased a very valuable uncirculated 1909-S VDB from eBay - or so he thought. The 1909-S VDB is a very iconic and valuable coin, and because of that status, has been the target of a lot of fakes. Thankfully, the fake that the customer bought was very easy to detect and was easily refunded, but not all counterfeit 1909-S VDB pennies are that easy to see. First I'll talk about the specific case that happened in the shop and then go into a presentation about the different markers, whether it is in the VDB, S mint mark, or elsewhere, that you need to look for!
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[@jonathancsmelko2361]

Great information. If I was going to buy a 1909-S VDB I think I would buy a graded one.

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Right on - I'd buy mine graded because of the amount of fakes.

[@rolandocastaneda4429]

for this coin only buy certified Anacs, ngc, or Pcgs examples.

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Couldn't agree more!

[@ghostcityshelton9378]

I just found some fake 1909 S pennys listed on Ebay, so becareful folks ! (I'm here now on 3 Sept. 2021) Thankfully I've been subbed here a long time and am so thankful to get such learning tools here. Thank you so much sir!

[@aidenscoincollectionandhob6874]

Thanks for you close up pictures it really helped me decide if a 1909 (S) was fake or not!

[@RestoreITdontJunkIT]

Man, awesome video. Very informative and professional. 👍👍

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Appreciate it, Tony!

[@thelipstickfarmer]

Have you ever seen the VDB on a 1918 penny when it was reinstated in the obverse? I can’t even find a clear Google example. 😢💋

[@tvtommm]

i have a 1909 vdb and the b is not slanted and there is no dots.

[@fudd3087]

WOWED, thank you for the video, I think most people would be fooled by the fakes. Thank you for your work and help.

[@TreasureTownCoins]

For sure! Thanks for the comment.

[@user-tb5fq3qx9g]

I did look at my S vdb and it looks good, MY QUESTION is on the regular 1909 vdb not S the B in vdb does no look the same as the 1909 S vdb. not really slanting down middle of B.

[@vyesitsme9203]

Whoa! So much going on! I se that vdb, obverse dies , wow I see the difference! I didn’t know about that Dot .B is slightly slanted,Great information Treasure Town! 👍👍👍🌈

[@TreasureTownCoins]

For sure! I'm not in a position to trade these too often (especially raw) but I found it pretty cool to think about.

[@pamscoins3376]

Awesome. Thank you for the great info.👍👍👍

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Thanks Pams!

[@ChooChooRooter]

So my question is can I buy a real one at an affordable price to compete my set

[@lindadavis1736]

Good video, informative! Although I don’t plan to buy one, it’s always good to know so I can pass the word on!

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Exactly! Definitely won't own one myself (at least, not for a while!)

[@jamesmarler3939]

Great job thanks for the info 👍

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Glad you enjoyed it James - thanks man.

[@billjversion2451]

Very interesting Cristian, thanks for posting

[@TreasureTownCoins]

For sure! Glad you learned from it!

[@tiger.ntashamoneyworthmo2959]

WOW how interesting to know that someone would go thru all this to make a fake penny.

[@EduardoLopez-me3iy]

Thanks Chris You are the Master

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Thanks so much, Eduardo!

[@johnconnersmithllc6095]

Is there alot of that going on?I have been searching for a month to find the value of my coins. I noticed that no matter how rare the coin is I can always find the same coin for $8000 and then for 7$ else where.

[@johnnyjolly2401]

I have one that I have a few questions about

[@gramskira1]

Would this info also pertain to the 'P' 1909? 🤔 tia

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[@thegun1649]

Mechanical/strikes doubling are easy to ID.. It's the fat, genuine double die that needs a lot of experience to determine.

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Agreed!

[@DimeDigger]

Great info 👍

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Thanks DD!

[@allan4276]

I got screwed on e-bay fighting back now

[@JazzyB11235]

Good video

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Thanks Adam!

[@user-ki1mg4zw1b]

It's a hard item to find so Y bought it with out certify company ? Don't tell me "it's cheap" get it got it good.

[@davidgates1887]

I think that I just bought a 1909 s that’s a fake we will see.

[@shawnjerome8599]

You know that vbb is supposed to be dead even at 6 and its off center to the left a little bit that's another Telltale sign

[@johnsmythe6134]

Shawn - STOP....You are dead wrong. The REAL VDB is slightly left of center. I've been a rare coin dealer for 60+ years. Get your facts straight before mouthing off and misleading people. AND....It's NOT vbb. It is V.D.B., The initials of Victor David Brenner, the coin's designer. PLEASE learn about Lincoln Cents.

[@scatterbrain9490]

Thx

[@TreasureTownCoins]

For sure!

[@armandofromthevault9775]

Great information. Unfortunately I will never be in the market for this, I know i need for my book but I probably not be spending the money this coin demands. Thank you for the great video.

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Exactly - won't be until I'm WAY older that I'll think about buying one.

[@steelersjourney11111]

I Bought A 1914 S Which Actually Was A 1944 S And I Brought It Back To The Coin Shop To Get My Money Back !!

[@TreasureTownCoins]

Aw man! That's pretty crazy.

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[@TreasureTownCoins]

Thanks so much my man. Really encouraging to read!

[@Muttleytech]

This is why I left this hobby. Can't even trust slabs. Ridiculous! It used to be fun but nowadays everything is picked over by these coin jocks buying $5 k worth of nickels from the bank leaving everyone else with nothing to find. The whole hobby is an overrated joke.

[@shawnjerome8599]

You said that the dye has a different address each dye has a different S no shit the S isn't punched at the same time as all the other stuff it separate you should know this their genius tighten up

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