10 Notorious Star Trek Urban Legends

[@Ketwolski]

Hey, that's me!

[@EPogue6]

I was just getting ready to tag you on Twitter about this I'm glad you seen it.

[@myozbubble]

@@EPogue6 *saw it.

[@NotContinuum]

Where?

[@CertifiablyIngame]

You crop up everywhere.... are you an hologram?

[@ourkeving]

I've missed something. What have I missed?

[@JonWMeyer]

I did once see an interview with Leonard Nimoy where he described being in a supermarket when his flip phone, still a relatively new piece of tech at the time, rang. His description of people's reactions when they saw him answer it was hilarious.

[@christopherharris5328]

Jon Meyer would love to see that! Is it here on KZbin somewhere?

[@JonWMeyer]

@@christopherharris5328 I saw it decades ago on some cable TV site. It wouldn't surprise me if it's on KZbin, but I've no idea how to find it.

[@lynngreen7978]

I saw him talking about being at a stoplight, and the guy in the next car reacting.

[@youtubedj9298]

"Spock to bridge..."

[@Wi-Fi-El]

Cell phone: *rings* Leonard Nimoy: *looks around and answers* I can't talk right now Jim, I am surrounded by 20th century civilians *hangs up and looks around again*

[@kerim.peardon5551]

When I first got my Kindle, and I tossed it casually onto a table, I had a sudden flashback to Picard reading reports on tablets and then tossing them onto his desk. And I remember being a kid and thinking computers that small and without cords was so futuristic. I looked at my Kindle and thought, "The future is now!" (I just noticed the date on my Kindle account last night. That was 10 years ago!)

[@ChristmasLore]

I'm always in awe of the mini computer now fitting in my hand, my smartphone. Bigger capacities than the computers that send men on the moon with!

[@200_3.6VVT]

To be honest, I had no idea who Tom Hardy even was when I first watched Nemesis.... But he did one hell of a job in that role.

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

I can recall interviews with Patrick Stewart where he praises Hardy and talks about how he's going to be a big actor and specifically says he knows everyone says that kind of thing, but he was genuinely impressed by him.

[@MuttleyVonErich00]

Same

[@GrimmShadowsII]

I don't think anyone realky knew him at the time. He's one of those actors you see in videos about big actors in roles you didn't remember. I remember at most 5 years ago I saw mentioned in a video that it was him and I was surprised.

[@EdwardGregoryNYC]

I'm thinking that if the original cast did not receive residuals, this could have fed the Trek convention trends because the cast members found an opportunity to collect their rewards for being a part of a ground-breaking show by appearing live.

[@varanid9]

That's exactly what happened.

[@j_fitz6913]

Yeah. That really kinda makes the whole mainstream notion that that cast doing the conventions were just lame has-beens clinging to their fame, look different knowing that they were just trying to make up for the money they got cheated out of by the studio

[@benjamintaylor3934]

Also explains why they were acting in Star Trek movies well in to their late 50s.

[@chrisstetsko5020]

And made great canon fodder in Galaxy Quest.

[@drdarkeny]

That's not entirely true - actors had been getting Residuals since the early days of television (Peter Graves was getting residual checks for a series in the 50s called FURY into the 1970s), But the way Residuals worked originally was that actors only got them for the first EIGHT times a show aired after its original airing. The popularity of STAR TREK was such that the cast very quickly ran through the airing they got residuals for. Even so, originally only a few of the cast did the Convention circuit, most notably DeForrest Kelley, who as an older actor with fewer casting opportunities gave it a try and, to his pleasant surprise, made about as much as he did playing Dr. McCoy per year doing conventions! He was the one who convinced Grace Lee Whitney, by then someone who was barely getting by, to join him at a few conventions -- and she quickly became almost as popular has he was! The three years later Shatner is talking about was when SAG renegotiated Residuals to be paid EVERY time a show was rerun, in light of the increased popularity of repeating television shows in syndication. Unfortunately, that renegotiation wasn't grandfathered - however, it included their voices for ST: THE ANIMATED SERIES. By the time of the movies, most of the cast started to do the convention circuit as well, largely to promote the films. Nimoy was a long-time holdout, only changing his mind when he started to direct & produce as well as star in the movies....

[@Archangelglenn]

There was a an in-universe reason why Ro Laren didn't return for the wedding scene...she was dead by that time. Remember in DS9 they mentioned that when the Jem'Hadar allied with the Cardassians, they eliminated all the maque. Thought I should point this out as I didn't see it in the comments already.

[@robertt9342]

Another in-universe reason is that she wasn't invited given how she left.

[@Archangelglenn]

@@robertt9342 Fair point. She did point a phaser at Riker and threatened to kill him if I remember the scene right. She then betray the rest of the fleet to the maque. I can see why she wouldn't exactly get an invite to the wedding.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Nope, reason was she was filming Battlestar Galactica in the role of Admiral Cain. Her role in BSG had serious meat and was one of the best written characters in a brilliant series. Why take time out of that to contribute a few seconds to ST???

[@robertpolanco1973]

@@Archangelglenn - Sir, the name of the anti-Cardassian resistance group is The Maquis, which is from the French language during World War II, I believe. Good comment, by the way.

[@dupersuper1938]

According to the novels she survived the culling and took Odos job at DS9 when he left to lead the Dominion.

[@johnIZaUWL]

Honestly Eddie shoulda played the Navy Security officer that interrogated Chekhov 🤣 now THAT would’ve WORKED!

[@samanthaadams619]

I can actually see that working.

[@jondunmore4268]

I think Eddie should have played the part of the chick who looked like Elisabeth Shue, and had a gay relationship with Kirk.

[@razor1uk610]

@@jondunmore4268 ..that seems to come more from your dreams or nighmaires....

[@jondunmore4268]

Check out the homophobia on @@razor1uk610 !

[@yesyesyesyes1600]

Great idea :D :D :D Chekov: I do not know your name. FBI agent: You know what ELSE everybody likes? Parfaits! Have you ever met a person, you say, "Let's get some parfait," they say, "Hell no, I don't like no parfait."? Parfaits are delicious! Chekov: ??? FBI agent: We can stay up late, swapping manly stories, and in the morning, I'm making waffles! Chekov: ??? May I go now?

[@dixievfd55]

The role of Shinzon was excellently performed. The problem with Shinzon was his backstory. They could have picked any Romulan villain from TNG for that role. Tomalak would have been an excellent choice.

[@ArronRatliff]

Andreas Katsulas was the actor who played Tomalak . He also played my favorite non Star Trek sci fi character ambassador G'Kar on Babylon 5 was diagnosed with Lung Cancer in late 2005. He would spend the next year of his life battling it before losing the war in 2006. He was working on a project that might lead to getting G'kar his own Spin off at the time of filming nemesis. Sadly it just ended up as a Babylon 5 one off TV movie called Legend of the Rangers .

[@danielpratt1970]

Yeah. People blame actors for bad writing. Just look at star wars.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

@@ArronRatliff No one ever seems to remember his other work...such as his VA work for the video game Primal, alongside the actress that played Callisto from Xena/Hercules (and who's name escapes me for the moment).

[@Nuzgalthawicked]

Sela

[@markgannett4104]

I thought Tom Hardy's performance as Shinzon was brilliant, his character really made the movie in my opinion.

[@user-yv4mm6bx3c]

Indeed. He was one of the few highlights of that film.

[@brentc2411]

His performance was fine, the problem was the entire premise of his character, and the idea that the Romulans would enslave their clone after ditching the plan, rather than just killing it.

[@schoolhomevrtechnologyassi6286]

it really seemed intimate, like hearing soneone you know reveal their inner truth at last... A dynamic personality to begin with, I sense that it was _so_ good, because Tom allowed some of his real personality and inner angst to seep into the performance...

[@stephenmonachello4132]

I am one of few that actually liked Nemesis and I am glad I m not the only one that liked Hardy in the role.

[@user-yv4mm6bx3c]

@@stephenmonachello4132 I like parts of it. The expanded Romulan lore, Hardy's performance and the end battle. But B4 should have been Lore. The opening chase was a waste of time and most of the cast is just there to fill the screen.

[@jinky0u812]

Nemesis didn't suck because of Hardy's performance. It was just lazy writing and bad directing. I felt that he delivered his performance just fine with what he had to work with.

[@j_fitz6913]

The way it was shot didn’t make it seem like a movie. It seemed like a forgettable episode at best because of the shot- reverse shot. It was not cinematic feeling at all despite how badly it wanted to seem like a grand movie of a man facing a dark version of himself. Guess that’s the downside to hiring the editor from the tomb raider movie as your director.

[@benjbk]

I don't think his performance was terrible at all and it's horrible that he contemplated suicide over this. Must have been devestating for him, especially regarding him being a Trek Fan himself.

[@mrandrossguy9871]

benjbk Yeah wtf doesn’t make sense

[@mrtrin]

It sucked because it had no rooting in the spirit of TNG **edit** Which is to say, it had the feel of the Klingon Civil War arc, but with Romulans, rather than building upon the final season of TNG.

[@youtubedj9298]

I'd disagree. He seemed to young and inexperienced as an actor.

[@Corehaven22]

Eddy Murphy should have just played Eddy Murphy meeting the crew in Star Trek IV.

[@DrakeAurum]

It was always painfully obvious that Chekov and Scotty's lines in Star Trek Generations had been written for McCoy and Spock. It's pretty pathetic that they didn't care enough about the actors to even bother re-writing them to match the replacement characters.

[@summacumlaude9161]

I’m surprised that they would even have considered killing off Kirk with McCoy and Spock nearby. Star Trek V was my least favorite movie, but the best quote/sentiment from the film was Kirk telling them (after nearly falling to his death during a mountain climb) ... “I knew I wouldn’t die because the two of you were with me”. Made sense to me that the death scene was with Scotty and Chekov - even if it wasn’t by intention.

[@gabegalaxy8467]

Not having Bones and Spock in Generations was bad enough, but killing off Kirk was a huge mistake. Especially in the way they did it. The original way they did was worse and they had to rewrite the death of Kirk because test audiences were pissed. Generations could have been great but could have been way better. The fan geek in me would have wanted them to somehow get the entire TOS cast with the TNG. That would have been cool.

[@gallery7596]

Yes, you'd think they would've learned their lesson after the mistake all those years earlier of going into "ST: The Motion Picture" without a polished script.

[@randr2141]

DrakeAurum yes, it was hugely disrespectful to Walter and James characters. The guy directing was a STNG guy, and seems to of paid little regard to the TOS crew. The dialogue between Scotty and Kirk, about Kirk not enjoying retirement was obviously meant to be a Kirk/Bones moment, but it just died on screen instead. In a deleted scene, Chekhov even says to Kirk, you missed your spot by 25metres, so obviously a Spock Statement. And in another they’d given Bones and Spock a genuine moment of sadness at Kirks apparent death, (obviously this time between Chekhov and Scotty) and this didn’t even make it into the movie ! A poor way to end the original series movies. In my opinion the scenes with them in were far superior to the Next Generation crews.

[@randr2141]

Jason that’s what I hoped when I went to the cinema, so disappointed.

[@kirkwatson-ye2957]

I can help you with the Star Tac debate. I was an engineer for Motorola when the Star Tac came out. Yes 100% we modeled the flip phone after the Star Trek Communicator and Yes 100% we called it the Star Tac to avoid legal issues with the name. We also had a team working on the color flat screen display because fo Star Trek technology.

[@Shadowkey392]

Tom Hardy was one of the BEST parts of the movie.

[@Coowwan]

Yes, seriously though!

[@jonathonwhitington402]

Agreed. And I'm saying that as one of about a dozen people that enjoy the movie.

[@lovipoekimo176]

Agreed. His acting shows actual effort and earnest. The writing was just terrible.

[@rooramblingon895]

Yes, his part always stood out to me. I also liked the film. Bit of a shock to hear there's so much hate for it... This is why I never pay attention to reviews and opinions!

[@NotContinuum]

@@lovipoekimo176 Are you putting him in the same category as Ben Affleck in Daredevil and Halle Berry in Catwoman? Roles and lines that are so bad no actor could save them, no matter how good they are?

[@CaseAgainstFaith1]

Back in the flip-phone era, I always thought someone should release a model that resembled the Star Trek communicator as much as possible and get official Star Trek licensing and call it the Communicator.

[@JohnDlugosz]

They did.

[@CaseAgainstFaith1]

@@JohnDlugosz Really? Never seen one or heard of it.

[@2bituser569]

CaseAgainstFaith1 its Bluetooth connected to your real phone

[@brownro214]

@@2bituser569 I have one. Really cool.

[@2bituser569]

Robert Brown does it work well? I use the boatswain whistle for my incoming text messages.

[@CaptainJack2048]

The first chapter of Space Cadet by Robert Heinlein (1948) specifically describes a portable phone that a boy has in his backpack. Not called a cell phone, but same idea. Ideas build on each other. :)

[@purpleslog]

Yep. The character has it packed away as an excuse to not answer calls from his mom (I think).

[@doc_sav]

Shatner was actually in fantastic physical shape for TMP. By all accounts he was following a brutal diet and exercise regimen, and it shows in several of shots in TMP, including the one of him meeting Spock in this video. He is clearly thinner and more toned than he was even during TOS. However, he was also 46-47 while filming, and lets face it, the TMP "formal" uniform isn't flattering on anybody. Then, in ST:II, age became an integral part of the characters' arc, so trying to conceal it was no longer a production issue. I am surprised that more people don't try to replicate the white t-shirt uniform from TMP. That is actually pretty cool looking.

[@cassidystarchild7907]

😄

[@FramedHamProductions]

3:33 "The story behind the costuming department for Star Trek: Generations could easily be a video all its own." Yeah, because Junkball already made one about it!

[@melangellatc1718]

Who ever does these things.... You do well.. Many KZbin channels pad the shit out of their videos to double/triple their length for whatever reason. Pauses, extra words, etcetera... Bravo, you!

[@walterengler5709]

I like the last one. When you talk with many folks in the tech industry who grew up in the 60's and 70's they will almost always admit to watching trek and being influenced by it. Even today there are people who work to create items that are trek inspired, such as doctors working to create a medical tricoder (attach sensors to the body and it provides ongoing real time analysis and diagnosis to many common items so no scan yet but ...). Look at the touch screens we all use (and how many of you remember how the LCARS panels and icons were some of the first things techies immediately built on these things simulating what they saw in the show and movies). Look carefully behind the products of today and somewhere, someplace, you will find a trekkie at least influencing the design.

[@ArronRatliff]

Smart phone and Ipads are direct copies of the P.A.D.D Picard and crew used in the Next Gen. Steve Jobs said so himself he got the idea directly from Next Gen

[@shibolinemress8913]

There's a scene in VOY "Future's End" in 1996 Los Angeles in which Janeway's comm badge beeps and a passerby says "Hello? Hello?" into his cellphone. That always makes me smile! 😁

[@richardhalligan7900]

Looking at the thumbnail...Eddie Murphy really looks good in a statfleet uniform

[@Ithinkiwill66]

Should of made a movie: "Star Trek, ANOTHER 48 Warp Speed Hours!"

[@youtubedj9298]

I think he'd be really good in a serious role in a GOOD Star Trek movie.

[@ronaldsprowal9978]

He really does Maybe he should have been in Star Trek 5 or 6

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Eddie Murphy as a Q. Nuffsed

[@fipskirchinger319]

@@RideAcrossTheRiver That´s the most brilliant idea I´ve ever heard

[@GGGritzer]

According to I Am Spock both DeForest & Leonard thought the story was rubbish & declined Generations (I heartily agreeed). I met Leonard on 25th November 1995 and he told me same. Signed my I Am Spock book, booklet apology for missing Timewarp in Malahide in March which had Majel Barrett attending and finally my TNG Poster mag covering 'Unification' with his bio in. A few years later I found out that was Ricardo Montalban's 75th birthday! Made the day even more awesome.

[@purpleslog]

The undiscovered country was a good finale for the original Star Trek cast. Generations kind of sucked.

[@GGGritzer]

@@purpleslog, Worst movie of the entire lot. I thought V had problems but, Final Frontier had tonnes of what Bill wanted in it cut out, tiny budget that was receding for the entire production. Generations had NO excuses. As Leonard Nimoy said, 'I did not appear in it because it was rubbish!', I heartily agreed. Kill off The Picards JUST to give Jean Luc a fuzzy feeling of family in the Nexus. Make Data laugh, badly. Some Grandpa kills off Captain Kirk in a pitiful scene, they destroy the Enterprise D JUST to give them a new ship in the next film, then blow up Lursa & Betor on General Chang's Bird Of Prey. The only two scenes I liked were, Worf's promotion and Data finding Spot at the end. The only film I did not see (on advice) in the Cinema.

[@michaelgiertz-rath7994]

The irony about this? Neither Nimoy nor DeForest came with Shatner to the set, despite being rather close friends. Doohan and Koenig in the other hand had been most vocal about Shatner's antics and even disliked him openly. And yet they agreed to work with him once more while Shatner's friends didn't. I still find this irony quite amusing yet a bit sad.

[@nickseebruch8720]

An urban legend I heard was that their recast Kirk's hair after the original series.

[@BruinPhD2009]

That hair was already in the process of divorcing Shatner and suing for residuals in the first series. 🤣

[@lancejobs]

@@BruinPhD2009 The hair later went on to work with the CIA they say and saved our world several times but all in secret.

[@jjdigitalvideosolutionsllc5343]

Nemesis is underrated. Hardy's performance was excellent. The problem with Nemesis was not the story or the characters, it was Star Trek movie fatigue of the time.

[@jv-lk7bc]

movie fatigue? lol. Only a non-Trek fan could think such a thing. True Trekkers are always starving for good, well-written Trek...so much so that we often resort to writing and shooting our own! The problem w/Nemesis was the STORY and the way the characters were written... as is often the case w/latter day Trek. Its hard to live up to a legend (...and imposssible when the execs don't care to try), and a fair bit of the material we've seen doesn't.

[@joelellis7035]

8:48: Tim Russ, yet again in the Reds! He had been a part of Star Trek before Voyager. Played a member of a gang of thieves in the Season 6 episode, "Starship Mine". He was "Ensign Tuvok" in the Voyager Season 3 Episode, "Flashback". In "Flashback" you'll see that a lot of the Excelsior crew were brought back for the episode.

[@sid2112]

That was a good episode. Glad they managed to get the Excelsior crew back.

[@christophermurphy7417]

He was also in deep space nine

[@sydus81599]

He was also originally the actor that was going to play Geordi in TNG before Le'Var got the role!

[@Ithinkiwill66]

He was also in Generations....but wait, a Vulcan or human on the Enterprise B?🧐🧐🤨🤨🤔🤔

[@joelellis7035]

@@Ithinkiwill66 in the clip, you'll see that Tim is portraying a human character.

[@danielbear3802]

I liked Tom Hardry's performance in nemesis as Shinzon, I can't believe how horrible some people can about a actor to hear what he went through after feel bad for him.

[@kthlars]

RE: Generations, Picard and Data has custom uniforms made for them, everyone else borrowed, as Voyager was not yet in Production during the filming of the movie.

[@torynnielsen5646]

The MRI machine was thought into existence when a young engineer saw McCoy put someone in a machine and diagnose the patient immediately.

[@DJB0X3R]

Here’s something on a side-note: Will Wheaton is credited for a cut scene in “The Last Starfighter”.

[@BronzeAgeBryon]

Shatner has more than made up for any royalties lost via appearances over the years for just being him. Case in point his upcoming 2 minute video chat option for just $375 for fans. You can customize with shout-outs, freeze frame photos, etc for additional $$. I paid $100 about 10 years ago for a photo op with him and was specifically told NOT to say a word to him in the 18 seconds it took for me to get in place, have the photo snapped, and be ushered out of the frame. Still, I love me some Shat and the photo hangs gloriously in my office.

[@sid2112]

I'm a network engineer. Back in the 1990's I had a contract to update the networks at Paramount. I met Shatner and he was kind of a jerk but I was a bigger jerk and he laughed. He was cool after that.

[@ArronRatliff]

I stopped feeling bad about the TOS cast not getting royalties after i saw the George Takei documentary and he made 30k+ for photo ops and autographs in one weekend at a con. When it showed his hubby handling the huge stacks of cash and figuring the taxes i was like yea OK Sulu is getting pa pa paid son.

[@2bituser569]

Bubba Ratliff While they can rake that money in there was no guarantee of that in the late 60’s.

[@sid2112]

@@2bituser569 name one guarantee in life besides death and taxes.

[@ArronRatliff]

@@2bituser569 No there wasn't but they signed contracts anyway. There were lots of stars of the golden age that didn't get paid what they should have. Though cons came along and gave them the chance to rake it in. Sadly way to many ended up penniless and died a paupers death.

[@jeffreyfiske8642]

Residuals for TV reruns were negotiated by SAG and the Syndicators in 1953. The average arrangement for actors signing as regulars in a series in 1966 was that they would receive between $50-$60 per episode per TV market (there were around 200 markets in 1966) for the first 5 broadcasts of each episode. For a series with 78 episodes and shown in all markets, that is $3.9 million BEFORE taxes and fees to agents and managers. Then, there are the international residuals. Some of the actors, like Nimoy, made good investments with their money. The story is that Shatner lost his rights to his residuals in the late 60s as part of a messy divorce settlement. It is an old trick that many TV actors from many series try to make it sound as if they did not receive any, or very much, money from re-runs. Those actors usually lost their residual money to bad investments or multiple divorces in a community property state, and saying that they were never paid seems more dignified to them, so that is the story they tell. Starting in the 1950s, many OTHER actors made enough from re-run residuals to retire.

[@Cowabunga2304]

Initially thought this was a list of urban legends that weren’t true (hence “urban legend”). Not quite what the list turned out to be though it was interesting enough.

[@ModernClassic]

Urban legends are just stories passed around that are unverifiable (or at least unverified). They don't have to be untrue.

[@hawkboy71]

@@ModernClassic except many of these were just things that actually happened.

[@patrickmccurry1563]

@@ModernClassic There's already a word for that, apocryphal.

[@ModernClassic]

@@patrickmccurry1563 I know, because there's nothing in the world with more than one word for it, right?

[@jv-lk7bc]

@@patrickmccurry1563 Apocryphal has a different shade of meaning: a story to improbable it couldn't be literally true, can only be taken as allegory.

[@robertpolanco1973]

Personally, I was NOT impressed with "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" because of what happened behind the scenes involving the writers struggling to develop a plot that ended up meaningless. However, I LOVED the music score by the late legendary Jerry Goldsmith. I also was angry and frustrated with the constant changes in the look of the Starfleet uniforms over the years on all the "Star Trek" series and I always wondered why on that issue alone. Talk about the franchise's deep imperfection on all levels!

[@dupersuper1938]

Nemesis was already my least favourite Trek film before learning it caused one of the actors to get divorced and contemplate suicide...

[@Privatepain1234]

11:41. Having just woken up and not even cleared my throat this morning, to suddenly hear this had me laugh-coughing like a wheezing asthmatic.

[@AlForte13]

Yeah my brain had to process that twice...like did he say what I heard?

[@christopherrandall3260]

Trek culture is vast becoming a guilty pleasure keep up the good work

[@captainiant]

Star trek being ultimately responsible for being able to watch porn on the bus was a definate lol moment please can you do another urban myth episode because it is fascinating to learn the truth to these stories please

[@dirkfeische2945]

To me, it is a running gag through the whole TNG Series that every actor, standing up after sitting, pulls his uniform in the right place (ON SCREEN)! Very funny 😂😂😂

[@glorifiedng]

You should see DJO do it.. they add pump shotgun sounds to it LOL a real riot.

[@Kundalini12]

Sean Connery was originally going to play Spock's brother in The Final Frontier but they took too long and he ended up in The Last Crusade instead.

[@KEVMAN7987]

He chose wisely.

[@pinktribble]

@@KEVMAN7987 I understood that reference.

[@darrengriffin8609]

Yep and Sha ka Ri was a nod to him.

[@purpleslog]

Connery would have been distracting.

[@FixFilmsLtd]

Great list of Star Trek anecdotes - very informative and entertaining!

[@lokisgodhi]

RE: Ro Laren Still at large? Try dead. On Voyager it was stated that all the Maquis had been killed by the Cardassians and their Dominion allies.

[@richardm3023]

Star Trek characters had many layers of plot armor to protect and resurrect them when needed.

[@robertt9342]

There were likely still survivors who were away on their own missions, or in prisons, or undercover somewhere else.

[@Ithinkiwill66]

Then again, she was a Bajoran...she might of went through the wormhole, somehow without anyone on DS9 noticing this, and escape with the Prophets...no one knows for sure.

[@Paulafan5]

There were survivors and someone as resourceful as Ro could have easily survived.

[@lokisgodhi]

@@Paulafan5 That sounds like wishful thinking. The Dominion were pretty ruthless. It's not a stretch to see them destroying a planet to eradicate the Maquis. In the mundane world, Michelle Forbes no longer was interested in playing the character, CBS isn't likely to recast. So Ro Laren is essentially dead.

[@Astrobrant2]

Here's one that _sounds_ like an urban legend: Nichelle Nichols (Lt. Uhura) recruited Judith Resnick into NASA. Nichelle was a NASA "Ambassador" and did recruit Judy into the NASA astronaut program. Resnick became the second American woman to go into space. Tragically, Judy died in the Challenger disaster. It was her second mission. I have long wondered how Nichelle felt on that day. I do so hope she was able to overcome any unfair feelings of guilt.

[@EyeInTheSky982]

11: Tom Hanks was originally cast to play Zefram Cochrane in Star Trek: First Contact. Like Eddie Murphy, Hanks was also a big Trek fan.

[@myozbubble]

And we ended up with Whoopie Goldberg. LOL

[@NotContinuum]

Hey! She actually did a great job as Guinan. She pulled off the wise old bartender schtick quite well.

[@myozbubble]

@@NotContinuum Definitely not going to argue with that! It's just intriguing that they could have gone with a much higher profile actor. No one could have done a better job at Guinan than Whoopie.

[@NotContinuum]

@@myozbubble I believe they created the role for her after she asked if she could have a cameo. She's a Trek fan. She had no idea that the role would be recurring.

[@johntabler349]

I would have loved that especially if he played him closer to Glen Corbitt's version

[@suelynch]

I can also remember an urban legend about the data discs in the TOS being the for runner of the CD. It should be noted that they data discs would be more akin to the USB thumb drive than a CD.

[@Willpowerbomb]

The Motion Picture and Nemesis are very underrated in my opinion.

[@SlimThrull]

I do NOT understand everyone's hatred of Hardy in Nemesis. It wasn't a great role and the writing was mediocre, but he did a great job with what he had. And his attention to Patrick Stewart's mannerisms paid off.

[@CaseAgainstFaith1]

I agree TMP is underrated. Nemesis, eh, not so sure.

[@OwensboroMusicMan07]

Rewatching Nemesis recently, I loved Tom Hardy's performance. It's a shame that many critics at the time hated the performance, but I for one loved it.

[@darkhoshinonz]

In my opinion. The motion picture was just too slow to get started. After that it was fine. The movie I didn't like was Insurrection.

[@danielfietkau733]

Reason?

[@simonlane2189]

Eddie Murphy actualy chose to do the Golden Child, and the unforms designed for Generations didn't look good on film that's why they ditched them not really down to budget.

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Now that was a great choice on Murphy's part. About as brilliant as Dr. Doolittle and the Klumps.

[@jessicathethreestoogesfan2635]

What Norbit!?

[@dabigork]

The most strange star trek book I ever had the pleasure to read was the X-men crossover

[@MsMarvelDuckie]

I read that too! It was a really good book, and my favorite moment was when Picard and Storm were walking in the corridor of Enterprise talking and he mentions not having the patience to be a teacher. Hilariously ironic scene, given both he and Xavier are played by the same actor!

[@randr2141]

Just to test any fellow geeks. Anyone else know (or care) that a deleted scene in Generations, had Shatner skydiving to Earth. The scene wasn’t used, but the skydiving suit was reused in Voyager by Torres.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

Huh..I remember that orbital skydiving bit from the novelizaton. Didn't realize they'd actually filmed it.

[@michaelgiertz-rath7994]

That particular scene was used in the novel.

[@randr2141]

VulpisFoxfire it’s easy enough to find online. Very poor quality recording, and so obviously meant for McCoy and Spock. But I quite enjoyed the humour.

[@grokeffer6226]

I actually liked Tom Hardy's performance a lot. He's a fine actor, and I don't think I've seen a performance from him that wasn't good.

[@WordsofIvory]

Indeed. The problem was never with him personally, but the script. The first two thirds of the movie is fairly solid (minus the buggie scene), but then the third act just completely gives up on any characterisation whatsoever and turns Shinzon into a complete moron. None of which is Tom Hardy's fault.

[@grokeffer6226]

@@WordsofIvory Yes. That's true. Not the greatest movie ever, for sure. Really liked his Mad Max take.

[@varianschirmer9375]

Picard's Wrath of Khan moment undone by the final 45 minutes.

[@grokeffer6226]

@@varianschirmer9375 Honestly, I'd have to re-watch it, it's been so long since I saw it.

[@GrimmShadowsII]

@@grokeffer6226 yeah it was great you could occasionly hear him sound like Gibson to help connect it to the other movies but at the sametime he made the role his own

[@vic5015]

Actually, isn't Ro Laren missing and presumed dead in universe? We learned in a Voyager episode (Extreme Risk, I think) that all the Maquis had been wiped out by the Jem'Hadar after Cardassia joined the Dominion.

[@KEVMAN7987]

And those that weren't turned themselves in to the Federation to escape death.

[@vic5015]

@@KEVMAN7987 ah, I had forgotten that part. So Picard could have arranged her temporary release from prison in order to attend Riker's wedding? You know Picard would *totally* do it.

[@benjamindorrance1361]

When will trekculture do a top 10 Voyager and enterprise episodes?

[@TrekCulture]

They're on the horizon.

[@LazzaRuss]

Are there 10 good Voyager episodes though? 🤣

[@benjamindorrance1361]

@@LazzaRuss there was way more then ten good episodes of voyager hell seasons 4,5 and 6 where, in my opinion, three of the best seasons of star trek ever.

[@benjamindorrance1361]

@@TrekCulture I feel like I just got a promotion lol

[@davew6949]

@@TrekCulture It may be a long time, getting from there to here, but we'll have faith of the heart that the episodes are coming!

[@alanrogers7090]

Do you, "allegedly" have to pay Simon Whistler for the use of, "allegedly"?

[@hallofo8107]

Yes. "Allegedly". Ba-Da-Dum-Bum-Tisssssssssss................

[@Erin-Thor]

Y’all just made my day! LOL!

[@karlsmith2570]

Touching on the TOS cast members hating the Motion Picture, specifically the case of the Starfleet Uniforms being uncomfortable: George Takei has stated in interviews that the way that those uniforms were designed in order to get in and out of them, the cast members couldn't go to "Answer Mother Nature's Call" without the wardrobe people accompanying them in order to help them getting in and out of the costumes Which was a major catalyst for the the design changes of the uniforms in Star Trek II:The Wrath Of Khan - Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, because the cast members threatened to not return for future sequels unless the uniforms were changed

[@bazzokzwattom2655]

Yeah, I can see that. Still, there was also a 2-piece (shirt & pants) version. I imagine that the people who were assigned the 2-piece version considered themselves lucky!

[@karlsmith2570]

@@bazzokzwattom2655 yeah, but probably not by much

[@michaelgiertz-rath7994]

Heard that too. Am I the only one who LOVES the uniforms from ST II to VI (and a bit VII)? They look like something the BRITISH NAVY would have issued in the 19th century, but they still look cool and scifi-like even today ...

[@karlsmith2570]

@@michaelgiertz-rath7994 they're definitely a far cry from the TMP era Starfleet Uniforms

[@tedwojtasik8781]

Why does Nemesis get so much hate? I thought it a good movie and Tom Hardy acted his ass off.

[@rodneyharrington5049]

If more people knew you liked it, I'm sure it would be more highly thought of.

[@michaelgiertz-rath7994]

Less than stellar story + death of Data with a "cheap replacement". No, seriously. The story was substandard. The Motion Picture is, in fact, a standard episode enlarged to theatre format, but never had much story to speak about. The best movies appear to be ST II to IV - which can be named "Spock Trilogy". ST V tried hard but couldn't convince anyone due it's overall bad story idea. ST VI is one of the best movies out there imho. ST VII fell flat again: while the story itself wasn't too bad, the movie didn't do either crew a favor. ST VIII (FIrst Contact) is considered the best Trek movie of all times - something "Insurrection" couldn't hope to get close to. Still, IX wasn't too bad, it simply lacked some love. And then we had Star Trek X, Nemesis. Nemesis lacked in most departments that makes a movie enjoyable: story, character development, etc. Doppelganger stories are overused and seem to be put in place to answer a question nobody ever asks: "what if X had to fight X!Clone - who would win?" This very basic idea has been used since ancient times and doesn't feel fresh and new in our days anymore. Characters weren't used properly. In fact, the movie would have worked with a limited cast: Picard, Riker, Data and Picard!Clone and his Henchman. Seriously, that's it. Everyone else could have been cut from the movie and the story would still work. Therefore most of the TNG-crew are simply there to appear in a couple of scenes but don't add anything to the story. The Enterprise (most powerful ship in the quadrant) suddenly runs into some ship that's simply "overkill": the Scimitar is massively oversized yet still fast and agile as a much smaller ship. It comes with enough weaponry to pulverize any other ship with one volley. Plus it can't be tracked due it's cloaking device which is advanced enough to stay active while firing weapons. Wasn't the ship even built in secret? How comes the Tal Shiar never got an idea that thing exists? And even if the Federation doesn't use money, the Romulans still do. Who paid for that thing? Nemesis comes with so many logical issues and plot holes, you could fit in the entire Borg space. And Data? Data dies. Just to be replaced by his technologically inferior brother which is another "Spiner"-Android. Brent Spiner once said he couldn't do Data's role anymore due his advancing age: Androids don't age, actors do. While I understand the dying part, I don't get why the writers didn't opted for a different actor doing B4's role ... you know, just in case they ever wanted to make another TNG-movie. They never did. Well. And if they had waited for another 12 years or so, CGI make-up would've been a thing and Data could have been dea-ged back to Mission Farpoint looks ...

[@cassidystarchild7907]

It's just not a very good movie. There are a few deleted scenes that would have made Nemesis better than what it was.

[@shalomamigos]

We finally get a movie with the Romulans, but instead of getting Romulans, we get a human and a race we never heard about before. They're just somewhat generic bad guys, and nowhere near as interesting and devious as the Romulans. It's also another "Earth is in danger" scenario. Star Trek 1 and 4 did that well because there was another aspect to it that gave you something to think about, but in Nemesis it didn't make much sense why Shinzon would go after Earth other than to fulfill his role as an villain. Tom Hardy did a great job, but the story just wasn't as interesting as it could have been. I think the Tal Shiar initiating a coup d'état before peace negotiations would have made a more interesting story. There would be a Prime Directive dilemma, sympathetic Romulan characters, and questions about how much of what was happening might be a ruse to hide what the Romulans were actually trying to accomplish.

[@JSkyGemini]

Same.

[@jperryhal]

I liked Nemesis and especially Tom Hardy's performance in the film. Consequently, I have never understood why everyone else hates it.

[@vernicesyers5021]

Agreed. Its not bad except the Riker/Troi honeymoon scenes.

[@GrimmShadowsII]

@@vernicesyers5021 It didn't really feel much like Star Trek, I kinda liked it but didn't think it was great, it felt like a fairly generic Sci Fi movie. It was really just alot of action with very little story and character development like most of the other Trek movies.

[@Sly88Frye]

It's rather ironic that Eddie Murphy was not impressed by the script of Star Trek 4 yet Star Trek 4 is one of the best films of the franchise

[@krinniv7898]

"porn on a bus", and on that poetic note... thumbs up.

[@nicholasburns729]

Someone was photographed in the UK watching porn on a commuter train.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@nicholasburns729 So? As long as it was legal porn... probably a grey area.

[@StefanTravis]

"The porn on the bus goes round and round...."

[@alancastaneda8322]

This is why I love KZbin. The content and comments.

[@DMSProduktions]

@@StefanTravis OH yeah!

[@shmuelgoldstein9020]

Nimoy documents the "lost years" pretty well in his second autobiography "I Am Spock"

[@Devo77x]

I thought one of the biggest urban legends in Star Trek was supposed during filming of Star Trek 6, Kim Cattrall posed for some racy pictures on the bridge set. Thou no pictures have ever surfaced. Recently it was said that Leonard Nimoy called security on them and the pictures were destroyed.

[@andreraymond6860]

This was documented in an issue of Premiere magazine. Apparently lawyers were present for the burning of the negatives.

[@JohnDlugosz]

What is it about female Vulcan characters posing nude on the set? Seems to be a constant source of mischief during the Original movie era.

[@jimmym3352]

Never heard this one. I wish I could get a hold of these pictures for research purposes.

[@clubtepes2046]

@@JohnDlugosz What other female Vulcan's are you referring to? AFAIK, only Kim Cattral did the nude shoot on a Star Trek set.

[@lindajokensinger8690]

@@jimmym3352 😂❤🖖

[@litebrite8993]

"Star Trek directly had a hand in you being able to watch porn on the bus." 🤣😂 I spit my coffee out, so not what one expects to hear, lol.

[@Normal1855]

I had the StarTAC phone. I loved it.

[@frenchjr25]

We need a Director's Cut of 'Nemesis'. Fans knew before the movie came out that Paramount had edited and removed scenes the director felt were needed.

[@tdvan89]

#9 is not that uncommon. There was no guarantee that the Original Series was going to be as popular as it turned out to be, so the actors involved would not have insisted on incorporating royalties into their contracts. Subsequent contracts for future films might not have had that option, as that would be the studio's decision to make, and they weren't about to let go of that much money once they saw that the Star Trek franchise was going to be so profitable. In comparison, George Lucas' decision to insist on merchandising royalties from the first Star Wars film at the cost of millions in up-front cash was seen as a ridiculously foolish idea at the time. Obviously, Lucas turned out to be right as that gamble made him a billionaire. But that case is the exception rather than the norm, so it's a little misleading to say that this was a case of the studio taking advantage of the actors.

[@Ericwvb2]

You only hear about the people who agreed to low pay but a large percentage of profits or some other future benefits when the film becomes a huge hit, like your George Lucas example. I'm sure there have been plenty of actors, directors, etc., who made similar deals but the film ended being a huge flop and they would have been better off just accepting a higher salary.

[@heskrthmatt]

Flip phones and communicators aren’t the only confluence of Star Trek and real life technology. The computer disks used in TOS were the same size, shape and occasionally color as the 3.5” diskettes that we used in the late 80’s and 90’s.

[@purpleslog]

Heinlein’s novel Space Cadet from the 50s has small mobile phone tech.

[@James_T_Quirk]

Yes, Well there should be mention of early "car phones" (really Two way Radio's), but as with technology it Shrinks & Improves ... A quote from a Wiki of 2 Way Radio "The first truly mobile two-way radio was developed in Australia in 1923 by Senior Constable Frederick William Downie of the Victorian Police", it took up the rear seat, but in 1940's it was a Hand Piece & Backpack, (The Walkie-Talkie), until we got to where we are now ... Star Trek Lore I see, as More possible lately is from DS9 Episodes Past Tense 1 & 2, America breaks down, becomes a Police State run for the wealthy, Homeless & Unemployed are moved into "Sanctuary Blocks", and called Gimmees & Dims, ( Welfare Recipients & Mentally Ill), Sisko, Dax & Bashir get flipped back in time, to help with Riots, that eventually topple the system, and start the the moves towards building the Federation & Planetary Peace, but it is only Fiction ...

[@TokyoXtreme]

Michelle Forbes looked so good in TNG. What a babe.

[@RideAcrossTheRiver]

Catherine Hicks is so damned cute.

[@derekilopan]

Tom Hardy did a great job as Shinzon. Tom Hardy does a great job in EVERY role he plays.

[@GrimmShadowsII]

Exactly, it's kind of ironic he played a clone of Picard as he's almost as good an actor as Sir Patrick

[@datastorm75]

I'm one of probably three people on Earth who liked Star Trek:Nemesis. You go, Tom Hardy!

[@Cthusiest_jeff]

As will i. Yes, the movie has problems, but I really like it. I saw it in theaters and no regrets about paying for a ticket.

[@CelticVictory]

More than 3 people liked Nemesis.

[@Moondog-wc4vm]

In another timeline everyone liked it and it was a huge success (in the minds of the studio executives)

[@tedwojtasik8781]

The haters can lick me Polish balls, I liked Nemesis. I just wished they had some sweet full frontal of Troi. Titties yum yum :-)

[@CelticVictory]

@@Moondog-wc4vm You must be talking about Nutrek. That's widely hated, but the executives don't want to acknowledge it.

[@sportosp-0158]

Mixed uniform styles. Ill fitting. Yep, this is exactly how it was in the Air Force. No problem there that they're continuing those issues in the future.

[@indiansfaninpa]

If Item No. 9 - and even No. 1 - are true, than they aren't "urban legends."

[@IronMan3582]

To piggyback on number 9, even Eddie Murphy makes a point during his comedy special "Raw" saying along the lines of "Ain't it something that the best thing on television is from 20 years ago?" when talking about Star Trek TOS reruns

[@truekaliban4674]

The flip phone design goes at least as far back to the novel 'Armageddon 2419.' Wilma Deering uses one, flipping it open exactly as she would have a Trek communicator and calling it a "phone."

[@Starius65]

I'm confused, are these all star trek urban legends, or are half of them true and the rest aren't? I'm not seeing a lot of consistency.

[@MuttleyVonErich00]

Glad I'm not the only one

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

I got the same, think its just compromise for the sake of a youtube video title "Ten things about star trek some of which are urban legends some of which are true" doesn't appease the clicks.

[@AckzaTV]

im a simple man, i saw eddie murphy in an early 80s starfleet uniform and i clicked

[@ronaldsprowal9978]

That's why I clicked also

[@InnerProp]

The next phone Motorola made after the Star TAC was called the Porpoise because it was a candy bar type phone. This is not a joke. It was called the Porpoise because it had no Flipper. FYI the phones that used to be in cars where the handset was between the front seats (like in "16 Candles") was called the Joan. I don't know why, but I used to make them when I worked for Motorola.

[@probablynotmyname8521]

If you read shatners books, after the original series ended he wound up living out of a van while travelling around for work.

[@rickhunter6516]

...down by the river? ;)

[@cbbnarchives2675]

Cool video. I find it hard to belive the original cast didn't get royalties. Hmm unfair.

[@DavidFMayerPhD]

Shattner was so poor that, between the end of the Original Series and Star Trek the Motion Picture, he sometimes lived in his CAR.

[@nonyabizz9390]

I genuinely feel like I'm one of the only people who actually really liked Nemesis.

[@DarkAnon100]

you and me both (then again, i love all the Star Trek Movies)

[@dixievfd55]

I liked it.

[@Niel2760]

No like...at all. But cool that you do.

[@eblake57]

Nonya Bizz - Well, I guess, I am the 2nd one that love Nemesis.

[@brianjungen4059]

You are. 🤣🤣

[@kirkwatson-ye2957]

Its true. I am an ex Motorola engineer and I worked next door to the guys who were working on the flip phone. They wanted to name it the Star Trek flip phone but as you can imagine the license agreement and royalties for the name were astronomical.

[@hawkboy71]

Urban Legends are not true. You listed a lot of stuff that actually happened.

[@scottkester7178]

Urban legend: "a modern story of obscure origin and with little or no supporting evidence that spreads spontaneously in varying forms and often has elements of humor, moralizing, or horror." Nothing in that definition says that urban legends are all false.

[@hawkboy71]

@@scottkester7178 Yeaaaah... okay. I'm not sure what part of "little or no supporting evidence" can't be described as false. In any event this video talked about a lot of shit with all kinds of "supporting evidence". You know, like the people who were involved talking about the actual incident. Far from Urban Legend.

[@OldUKAds]

@@hawkboy71 yes, there was very little urban legend to this video. I certainly don't hear gossip in the local streets on Generations uniforms

[@3haljordan]

It's probably good that Eddie Murphy didn't appear in the movie, because the writers may have made the same mistakes that the Superman franchise did when they cast Richard Pryor.

[@Seal0626]

10:15 ...really? Because the end result looks like he studied Richard O'Brien instead...

[@kirkwatson-ye2957]

I worked for Motorola when the Star Tac flip phone was being developed. You bet your sweet ass the Star Trek communicator had everything to do with the design. There was a huge legal battle over the name. We wanted to call it the Star Trek.

[@chrisstetsko5020]

#11. Was V'ger Borg. #12. Was Saavik serving as Captain Bateson's first officer on the USS Bozeman. #13. Is Altan Soong really Lore in disguise, and reassembled by Bruce Maddox. #14. Was the biogenic charge that the Borg were going to use to assimilate Earth during STV: 'Dark Frontier' was based on acquired Genesis technology. #15. Was there supposed to be a series with Captain Sulu helm of USS Excelsior. And Why didn't this happen? #16. Will Mackenzie Calhoun and Company ever make an appearance. #17. Will the assimilation of Romulan Empire (post-Romulus) be shown? #18. Was Trelane a Q? #19. Was "The Enterprise Incident" a Section 31 operation? And #20. Is ENSIGN Harry Kim still serving somewhere under the command of CAPTAIN Nog? ;)

[@StillJustDreaming]

#18 has definitely come up over the years. I'd say "yes" or at least "highly probable"

[@RealBadGaming52]

@@StillJustDreaming a comic I read had him as a Q like bieng of almost equel power but not a Q bieng.

[@robertballasty395]

authorized novels (non-canon, I know, but interesting and some of the fun) tried addressing some of those #11: one of the post-Generations Shatner novels had V'ger as proto-Borg or offshoot or something. #12: a couple of other post-Generations novels had different takes on this. One focused on Bateson and most of his crew, both in their native 23rd century immediately before being lost as well as adjusting (sometimes poorly) to life in the 24th Century - no Saavik. Another novel had Sulu scheduled to ship out as Bateson's XO (sometime after ST:TMP and well before ST:II and his originally-impending promotion to Captain (based on the novelization of ST:II)), having to request emergency leave because he's been suddenly presented with his several-years-old daughter Damora due to the death of her mother, who had concealed Damora's existence from Hikaru, and Bateson being pissed at having to get a replacement last-minute. Also, the Genesis Wave novels have 24th Century Saavik as a scientist - it's certainly possible that she moved to that work after Bozeman, but I always assumed she had lived through all of the intervening years. Whether it's even possible might be answered by the timelines - what year did the TNG episode take place, and how long had the Bozeman been missing? Saavik was a young Lieutenant at the time of ST: II, III, & IV, which were set in a span of a few weeks in what, the mid-2280s? She wouldn't have been in line for an XO posting for probably another five years. #16: They probably wouldn't be able get all the original actors for Calhoun's crew, especially convincing ages, but it would be interesting. I really wish we had seen more of an Ambassador-class ship sometime during TNG or DS9 - beautiful lines. #18: There was a novel set aboard 1701-D which had Q, Trelane as a Q, and some parallel universe stuff - Jack Crusher alive, Picard as his subordinate, Worf never having been orphaned, and even touches upon the mystery of James R. Kirk.

[@sdrocky123]

Although I heard that the MP3 and IPod were influenced by TNG. There was a scene of Data in his quarters listening to music and shuffles through different pieces. But watching the scene it better reflects the evolution of Alexa.

[@countluke2334]

I would kill to see the love scenes between William Shatner and Eddie Murphy in that alternate universe version of ST4. :-D

[@myozbubble]

I'm loving this channel! As a Trekkie from the original days and spending my afternoons after school watching ST over and over, I hope the info for this channel doesn't end up being recycled over and over like the main Watch Culture is doing.

[@tfh85]

It would be nice if one, just one, of the people involved in this so-called 'Trek Channel' could say 'Maquis' correctly.

[@ScientistCat]

"mah key" _frantic searching for keys_

[@MrAer85]

Mackee

[@kevindondrea144]

Although I bought a Motorola RAZR V3 because I wanted to use it like a Star Trek communicator. I never thought anyone else felt the same. I would always answer it like they did in the original series. :)

[@johntabler349]

I contend that the motion picture was a great movie cut into a pretty good movie by bad editing

[@kevinkunkel9444]

Ro Laren was likely killed or captured when the Dominion allied themselves with the Cardassians.

[@victorvance2573]

That´s what i think too!

[@darkhawk123]

Look I'm not going to defend Star Trek: Nemesis, it was... bad and basically killed the franchise. But acting like it was somehow Tom Hardy's fault is absurd. He played his role convincingly, it's not his fault if the script is garbage. Side Note, during an ad in this video I saw a Tom Hardy advertising Venom.

[@NotDuncan]

Nobody could have saved that trash heap of a movie. Blaming on Tom Hardy is stupid

[@ryank5424]

Personally showing the 2 styles of uniform worked in the context of the universe. Showing a transition period from the TNG uniforms to that of DS9.

[@zelamorre1126]

I'm not sure entry #10 qualifies as an "Urban Legend." Neither story truly contradicts each other. In fact, if you've ever been part of contract negotiations, they confirm each other. Sirtis claims they threatened her with being replaced with Ryan. Ryan confirms she'd been told there was a different character that Seven could replace, but she'd never heard of replacing Deanna. So, the sum being that YES there were talks of Seven being in the film no matter whose account you listen to. Half-truths are the bread and butter of contract negotiations. And why would Ryan be told her part might be inflated if Sirtis backed out? That would only give her more negotiating power.

[@Wi-Fi-El]

I've met Bill Shatner a couple times in Lexington. The one time I brought up star trek he mentioned that he spent about five hours trying to do the Vulcan salute before giving up and doing the string trick

[@thomasmoeller3446]

Why would they want to replace Troi with a Borg? They already had an automaton that just droned on, and on, and on, and on.

[@Paulafan5]

I always heard that Seven was going to be the Voyager cameo in the movie and when she couldn't do it Janeway became the cameo. I heard that repeatedly.

[@MillYuy203ac]

Honestly, Ro Laren was most likely dead by the time of Nemesis. With her joining the Maquis, she was probably killed when the Dominion helped the Cardassians wipe out the rebel faction early in the Dominion War

[@vic5015]

Moral of the story: not every boyhood acting dream comes true, even when it seemingly does (looking at you David Twnant).

[@pinktribble]

Why David Tennant? He was an excellent Doctor.

[@KnightRaymund]

What about David?

[@thedavecorp]

INCORRECT: While they didn't get residuals at first, they did later during syndication, years later.