Trent Horn on Sola Scriptura

Catholic apologist Trent Horn will discuss why Roman Catholics reject the Protestant principle of Sola Scriptura
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[@Wiz_Loo]

I am an ARAB CATHOLIC ❤️✝️💪🏼 I pray that all find the Catholic Church 😍 It has the fullness of truth 🔥

[@JK-wi1ur]

@MrA Do you have any historical references, please provide.

[@petermagnusson1438]

MrA Orthodox is just Catholic who accepts the primacy of the Pope

[@bubamarac1]

The Pope speaks directly against the word of God! Yet catholic doctrine states that Pope is infallible. Since this is not the case, catholic doctrine is not the truth, i.e., contains errors. Sorry!

[@theobserver3753]

God bless you brother.

[@theobserver3753]

@@bubamarac1 Lmao!! You obviously know nothing about Ex Cathedra. Did you know how many times the Pope has used it? If you really want to understand what the Catholic Church really teaches then do real research and go to Catholic.com instead of listening from biased sources.

[@LB_die_Kaapie]

Trent Horn really is one of the best Catholic apologists we have! Thanks for your time Trent and Sam.

[@leonardobeneventi8836]

@@unam9931 what?

[@luisloya8968]

Roman Catholic here ! Today was a down day for me but seeing Sam having a discussion with the one and only Trent Horn made my day !!! Trent Horn is such a genuine person and literally one of the best Christian debaters out there. Thank you Sam

[@jzak5723]

@William Cloud quote; Which one of these books is known for truth? A religious book that any person can pick up and get to know truth without error. The Bible it is the Truth, but the Truth is not found by ANY person who picks it up and reads it, the Truth only comes through proper interpretation of what you read. Where does correct interpretation come from, the Church that Jesus established on earth, or the Magisterium of the individual?

[@jzak5723]

@William Cloud I believe the Word of God is preached in virtually all prisons, isn't it?

[@jzak5723]

@William Cloud quote; We were around hundreds of years before actually since the beginning of time. It's easy to verbally claim to be connected to the post Apostolic Church of the first century, but proving it is another story. Show me where there were other "Christian's" apart from the Catholic Church in the first few centuries after the Apostles? To qualify, the proof must be ancient documentation, not modern opinions. And while you're at it, I'll give you the chance to show me how Sola Scriptura was a Christian teaching in the immediate post Apostolic era. Good Luck.

[@jzak5723]

@William Cloud There is Eucharist, confession, Catechism, penance, and good works in prisons, do you think otherwise?

[@jzak5723]

@William Cloud Sorry, but I'm not understanding the question, please elaborate and I'll try to answer?

[@megaloschemos9113]

The more I study church history, the more I see the flaws in Protestantism.. .and I say this as an Evangelical🤔🤔

[@tralala827727]

The more you´ll study the Bible, the more you´ll see the flaws in Catholicism.

[@megaloschemos9113]

@@tralala827727 I never claimed that Catholicism was perfect

[@Romailjohn]

@@takmaps earliest gospel manuscript is from the earlier half of century

[@Romailjohn]

@@takmaps early half of 2nd century

[@criminaltotheworld3154]

It’s because it’s a relationship that truly leads to Truth, and from what I’m discerning from personal testimony is that it’s not the religious sect or title... if you seek Him, He will lead to all truths.. Catholicism is far from truth, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. And I look around and see prideful diet Catholics aka religious sects of Christianity. We follow the Way, the truth and the life. The narrow road that we most desperately need a relationship with the Living God to accomplish. So no you can’t go and tell God that you were a catholic, or Pentecostal, or baptist, or whatever, is did you accept His Son, and did you receive His Spirit, and did you live for Him, and cherished Him, and lived the best life for Him alone? Ultimately the final and most important question is did you know Him? I say I most definitely need to know Him and seek Him, even through my mistakes, I need to desperately need to know who this mighty Son of God was, and is, and is to come.

[@josephmonteiro4195]

Sam appreciate your humility & openness to get Orthodox/Catholic Christian on your channel and your work /knowledge in destroying islam.

[@michaelalan5520]

whatever you may think, Sam, David Wood, CP, their minions can never destroy Islam. Yes, anyone can make video, say anything, criticise anything -that's their freedom and I respect that. But the truth is - Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world especially in the West. Mosques are popping up everywhere, everyday,every week, every month - people are coming to mosque to convert to Islam. But Christianity is in decline in the west.( Africa, Asia - Christianity is not in decline). Just few weeks ago - American Bible scholar - Dr Richard C Miller, Dr Dennis R MacDonald have left Christianity - watch mythvision Podcast) . Dr Bart D Ehrman has already left Christianity. So Sir, whatever videos anyone can make - Islam is growing, not destroyed. Case closed. Don't reply Sir, My apology, I don't want debate Sir. Have a nice day.

[@roses8631]

Thank you for bringing Trent Horn. I am a fan of Trent but I also am a fan of you and David Wood. I learned a lot about Islam and the heresy of Jehovah witness. From one of your Catholic fans.

[@newdepaulschool7509]

seeing Trent with Sam is like a teen's dream come true,May Lord Jesus bless you

[@denniss225]

Mr. Shamoun, heard this via Mr. Horn’s podcast. You presented an extremely welcoming environment and handled questions fairly. Honestly, you are the first crossover podcast I’ve ever felt a need to comment on. I will listen to some of your other works, and hope to hear you with Mr. Horn again. Thank you for your work.

[@shamounian]

Be careful. I get very nasty with those who mock and blaspheme so I hope this doesn't turn you off.

[@OrthodoxMario]

We wouldn't want it any other way ​@@shamounian

[@annmarcia7391]

Hi! Sam. I have recently followed your KZbin channel. I’m excited to watch this today because Trent is one of my favorite Catholic Converts/Defenders. I am adding you to my favorites now. I am praying for you both 🙏🏼🙏🏼 May God abundantly & continually bless and protect you dear brothers in Jesus Christ. All Glory to God! 🙏🏼

[@christopherquinn5899]

Mr Horn is right to point out Sam's open-mindedness that he displays on matters pertaining to Christianity. It is very much to Mr Shamoun's credit.

[@miroslawturski]

Sam and Trent together. What a treat 🙂

[@shaulkramer7425]

Trent Horn is one of the reasons why, despite the issues with the Roman Catholic Church, I find it the most likely candidate for the True Church. Thank you Sam allowing him to speak.

[@loveisaih2020]

Thank you Br Sam for bringing Trent Horn. Much appreciated. God bless

[@elederiruzkin8835]

This series are so good. Thank you very much Sam and Trent for all your good work.

[@sheenahembrador5970]

This was amazing! Just the other day I remembered when you appeared on Matt Fradd's channel, it just popped into my head! And I wondered if you would ever get to have a discussion with some of my favorite Catholic apologists and here you are with Trent Horn! Praise be Jesus!

[@edgarariza]

I saw the title and had to watch this right away! What a treat, thank you Sam!

[@chrisoliverdelacruz5347]

My favorite apologist 😇

[@Mkvine]

My favorite episode by far!

[@brettfavreau9856]

Got hooked on Trent's pro life views and his demeanor, he's articulate. Having him on Sam's show is awesome. Not Catholic but I always enjoy listening to Trent. Watching Trent Horn led me to Matt Fradd, to Capturing Christianity, to David Wood, which led me to Sam Shamoun... the guy who I appreciate the most on dissecting unitarian beliefs. God bless you Sam

[@sonialorris]

Same path for me... But I am Catholic

[@loveisaih2020]

Hi Michael - I can highly recommend a couple of heavy weights all ex Protestants Dr Scott Hahn, Dr Peter Kreeft, Dr David Anders(daily show call "Called to Communion", Dr Lawrence Feingold (Jewish)Dr Brant Pitre(cradle Catholic). God bless

[@loveisaih2020]

@William Cloud - Proof text without a Context is a Pretext. But do those words forbid the making of images? They do not. God was forbidding idolatry, not the making of images. He said, "You shall not make for yourself any graven image of anything in the heaven above, or in the earth beneath. You shall not bow down to them nor worship them." God deliberately ADDS those last words, yet you IGNORE them. He forbids men to make images in order to Worship them. But He does not forbid the making of images. In Exodus25:18, you will find God ordering the Jews to make images of Angels! Would you accuse God of not knowing the sense of His own law? He says, " And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover, on the two sides of the oracle." In other words, the Jews were to make images of things in the heaven above. Also what about Solomons Temple? And if your interpretation be true, why do you violate God's law by making images of things in the earth beneath? Why images/statues of kings and politicians in our parks? Why photographs of girlfriend,/wife or kids? On your theory you could not even take a snapshot of a sunset. You would be making an image of a thing in the earth beneath. You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel! This is the fruit of your private interpretation of Scripture. No. God does not forbid the making of images; He forbids the making of images in order to WORSHIP them. Shalom

[@loveisaih2020]

@William Cloud Wow I didn't know we Catholics removed the second Commandment. You're not being intellectually honest Ponder on this quote ". . . the Christianity of history is not Protestantism. If ever there were a safe truth, it is this."(a genius of the19th Century is John Henry Cardinal Newman, An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine, Image Books, 1960, p. 34). "To be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant." (ibid, p. 35, John Henry Cardinal Newman, former Anglican clergyman and Catholic convert).

[@loveisaih2020]

@William Cloud - Golden Staff ?? Or rather Bronze Serpant. Shalom

[@irenecastelino8827]

Thanks for this Holy work. It makes us more strong Catholics

[@annalynpolangco6220]

thank you Sam for having trent.

[@starofsalvation2685]

I'm much more convinced by the Eastern Orthodox claim to Orthodoxy and Catholicism. I remain non-denominational, but much like Sam have begun listening and considering the views of Catholic and E. Orthodox claims in search for truth and to understand our differences.

[@georgeibrahim7945]

The Catholic and Orthodox Church can be traced back to the first century. Also look up former protestants now Catholic such as Steve Ray who has some good videos on being Born again, Faith alone, infant baptism etc. download Catholic answers app and listen to guys like Trent Horn, Jimmy Akin, Tim Staples a lot of them were former protestants and understand both sides of the coin.

[@martinoneill2253]

thank you Sam and Trent GOD BLESS YOU BOTH

[@johnnychikko3800]

Fantastic Vid! God Bless you Sam and Trent. Pax Christi

[@TheMrJoltz]

I want a Sam and Trent to do a two team debate against a topic. Both would have great input. Great stuff, thank you guys.

[@shannonrouston3298]

Trent is the DUDE IM HYPE ABOUT THIS COLLAB

[@shannonrouston3298]

William Cloud Jesus never said to write a book? But He did say He was going to build a church. I’m so grateful to the monks in the early centuries of the Church that helped preserve these sacred writings for us in holy scripture. What a blessing it is for us to have access to the Bible. The truth is, though, we live in an uncommon time- Literacy is more commonplace than ever before. Giving a common person a Bible in the 12th century would have profited them nothing; bringing them to the church, though, totally different story. God bless you!!

[@magdalenelah8231]

I truly enjoyed Trent’s explanation. Thank you brothers🙏👍

[@anneoutarsingh3966]

Most excellent session Sam and Trent. God bless you both

[@nardforu131]

Sam and Trent. Awesome!

[@nardforu131]

@Catholic Crusader Deus vultYup. Same here. Great questions and answers too.

[@lukacasey6164]

Sam, may the holy spirit guide you to his one holy, catholic and apostolic church

[@evanstein3011]

French Horn is definitely a great ambassador for the Catholic Church. Smart guy

[@shamounian]

what about Canadian trupmet?

[@stephenbastasch7893]

While I am not Christian, the Catholic position makes more sense than Sola Scriptura, for the simple reason that scripture itself makes no claim to be self-interpretive. Therefore, a source or sources outside the Bible is/are required to decide very many important, even critical, biblical questions. I cannot argue that the Catholic Church _is_ that required outside arbiter, but I am saying that the Catholic perspective is on the right exegetical track. Scripture does not interpret itself, and in fact denies the efficacy of private interpretation. Hence an outside interpretive agent is called for.

[@Kevin5279]

Precisely the point. There is no mention of Sola Scriptura in 1500 years of Church history

[@MidnightIsolde]

Plus when Jesus and the Apostles taught and preached they did so verbally, plus the sacrament of the Eucharist, baptism etc, and how Jesus' fulfills the scriptures (I.e. the old testament). They did not write down instructions until later. First, Paul's letters to churches he had planted - he didn't hand them out a book, he preached verbally and then sent instructional letters when he way away. Then the gospel accounts were written as well as Acts, and probably the earliest Catechism The Didache in the 1st century AD. The issue with extreme sola scriptura is that it sounds like people think the bible (and often specific English translations!) exist in a vacuum and were handed out first lol. But that's not the case.

[@ronaldorivera4674]

How did the Jews during the old testament compile the Hebrew scriptures? Was the Catholic magisterium there during that time to " give the scriptures their authority?"

[@stephenbastasch7893]

@@ronaldorivera4674 If the Magisterium is defined as an apostolic function, of course it did not exist until the notion of apostolic authority-and-succession was in place. Before that, certain scriptures, such as the writing down of the Prophets' messages, sufficed because they were thought to come directly from the mouth of YHVH to the Prophet's ear or heart. Various Hebrew sects and schools performed the interpretive work. The "Jewish Magisterium" would have been the proto-rabbinical hammering out of which interpretations were valid, and which were not. At least, that's my guess about how it worked. But I have no idea what the Catholic Church itself says about the "guarantee of pure doctrine" in pre-Christian Judaism. Probably a Church historian could elaborate.

[@relativemx1369]

But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. Matthew 23:8-10 And "teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matthew 28:20 Scripture is to be interpreted and learned alongside the Messiah, whose work is supported and still done with the help of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus said "He will guide you to all truth"

[@catholiclatin5860]

Oh wow....Catholic meets soon to be catholic(i pray) More more more Sam!!!! Brant Pitre, Scott Hahn, Steve Ray😍😍😍 I have always admired.Sir Sam since I watched him going against Islam since 2013. He is a wonderful man because of his love for the bible.

[@RoyalProtectorate]

Sam might join Eastern Orthodox

[@firstlast5531]

yeah, but that not the fulness of truth... If he like east spirituality he can be catholic of eastern rite , like greek catholic. And he can go to Holy Mass, use catholic sacraments , etc etc.. And is in union with Rome.. Thats why I also love catholicism. that variety. universalism in good way. we have eastern rites, western, both spiritualities, biggest truths, etc.. Catholicism is the best option. Unfortunately, orthodox are more agressive and often bash catholics and cathlics dont do that, thats why manny people seem to have sympathy for orhodoxy.

[@iamnaomi8326]

Sam, us Catholics look good definitely because of the Holy Eucharist. He renews our youth like the eagle's. (you're not bad looking yourself though) 😌God bless you for having Trent on and for your faithfulness. I have so much love and respect for you both. 'May God be praised 🙏

[@jonathansoko1085]

sam we need a sequel with trent

[@victoriaaltun7425]

Idk how to explain this but the way Trent speaks is just ✨chefs kiss✨ 🤌🏻😘

[@margaretbeausoleil5916]

We have the Holy Spirit to guide us into all Truth that is related to our Salvation

[@joecastillo8798]

@Margaret Beausoleil Margaret, Our Lord guarantees absolute and constant truth in His Church. ▪︎JOHN 16:13 13. When the SPIRIT of TRUTH comes, He WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL THE TRUTH; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. Having the truth, the Bible also needs a Holy Spirit inspired human interpreter to teach with authority in order to avoid conflict and division, when discerning what is truth. St Paul describes exactly WHO it is, in: ▪︎1 TIMOTHY 3:15 15. if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is THE CHURCH of the living God, THE PILLAR and FOUNDATION of the TRUTH. For such reasons Jesus clearly tells you to listen to the Church. ▪︎MATHEW 18:17 17. If he, a sinning brother, REFUSES to listen to them, TELL THE CHURCH. If HE REFUSES TO LISTEN EVEN TO THE CHURCH, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector The Church is the final authority for Christians. That's why He wants to make sure we understand it, by repeating it: ▪︎LUKE 10:16 16. Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects THE ONE who sent me.” It does not say the Holy Spirit will inspire you and many to divisions, like what occurs today among protestants. Jesus rejects divisions! ▪︎JOHN 17:21-23 21. so that they MAY ALL BE ONE, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me. 22. And I have given them the glory you gave me, SO THAT THEY MAY BE ONE, as WE ARE ONE, 23. I in them and you in me, that they may be brought to PERFECTION AS ONE, that the world may know that you sent me, and that you loved them even as you loved me. St. Paul restates the same message of the ONE Church, with clear and specific words: ▪︎EPHESIANS 4:3-6 3. STRIVING to preserve the UNITY of the spirit through the bond of peace: 4. ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT, as you were also called to the ONE hope of your call 5. ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BAPTISM 6. ONE GOD and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. God bless.

[@joecastillo8798]

@@User_Happy35 Happy, The answer is no. Is like trying to say that a guy from Honduras decides he is going to call his country, U.S.A. And say it's the same thing. First of all, George Washington did not start Honduras, someone else did. You see the point? Check your own church history. The man that started it is your founder. Jesus had nothing to do with it. Our Church was founded by Jesus. However, an individual called Martin Luther decided to rebell and started his own community with totally different parameters, inventing a non biblical doctrine called "Sola Scriptura". That selfish anti Christian act started the protestant chaos since 1521 with thousands of divisions today. That's your history and you can not change it or camouflage it. It is totally different than what Jesus founded. God bless.

[@jonhowerton2537]

@@annemurphy9339 Th Israelites slaughtered The Caananites, The Amorites, The Girgashites, The Hittites, The Hivites, The Jebusites, The Perizzites, The Amoliktes, The moabites, The Ammonites. Yet after the Israelites killed all of those tribes they were still considered Gods chosen people. Therefore you can still be Gods chosen church even with blood on your hands. The Catholic Church has never killed even close to as many people as the Israelites. Christ created a church and swore the Gates of hell would not prevail against the church. That Church is the Catholic Church.

[@basicin4mationvlog293]

Trent is my favorite apologist of all time....

[@TheEddyherm]

I think you meant Sam* ;)

[@calson814]

@@TheEddyherm both* 😀

[@nachomontiel6254]

Thanks God for this discussion !!!! I am amazed that you had a talk between each other.

[@aggierowe9574]

This was fantastic. I was born into Catholicism, raised, had 9 years of Catholic education as a child and then studied secular education. I love that the Sola Scripture concept is discussed here. In another lifetime I think I would've gotten my postgrad degrees in religious studies. If Sola Scriptura is argued for it, given the myriad versions of the Bible today, Interpretations are prone to be disagreed upon.

[@anthonytan7134]

Your guys are awesome, must do it again, God bless

[@atomicb9689]

I prayed for this so long ago it seems.

[@ronnykazadi352]

"Sola scriptura... yet, let me remove these 7 books".

[@angelbaby78]

Dear Sam, I am a former Muslim who became a believer in Jesus 12 years ago. I was non denominational for many years, and became Catholic 2 years ago. I am regretting it. Yes it has beautiful teachings but I still struggle with the immaculate conception and Catholics’ obsession with Mary and their strange pious practices. I find the catholic church has placed walls between me and God... also the way the pope is leading the church is truly scary.. orthodoxy is more authentic and pure. Check out our Coptic brothers and sisters.

[@theticoboy]

Angel Love- sorry to hear that. The pope is truly doing and saying things that are very questionable. I’m Catholic and share your concern. There is a ton of great material regarding the Church’s teaching on Mary. See Dr. Pitre’s book Jesus and the Jewish roots of Mary for one example. Some Catholics may take it too far though. However, don’t leave Peter because of Judas! I’m praying for you. Keep the faith. 😇🙏🏽

[@angelbaby78]

McSpankey I tried to be open and my RCIA class said that I will understand things gradually. I tried my best to accept and convince myself but I couldn’t.. they don’t make sense.. I made a mistake, no one’s perfect...

[@theticoboy]

Angel Love - Sorry to hear that. The Orthodox also hold Mary in very high esteem and venerate her too. I pray you will patiently do more study. I’m willing to help pay for some books or other materials if money is a concern. In the interim, here is a video that might help some. God bless. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYbHipiPrpiBh6M

[@NX-uo5kz]

I would highly recommend 2 books : Scott hahns Rome sweet home and Steve Rays Crossing the Tiber . In addition look at some of the videos of Marcus Grodi’s Coming home network where he interviews Protestant’s who have found their way back to the Church. You will find all those videos on KZbin. Be blessed 🙏🏽

[@impasse0124]

Please read Brant Pitre’s book “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary”. It’s a very thorough examination of Marian beliefs that should help put your mind at ease.

[@rocketman2628]

Trent Horn is such a cool name.

[@thejoanesgale6148]

My greeting from Indonesia Catholisism to around the world. God bless🙏❤

[@vlogsdelalo8655]

My 2 favorite apologist, learning as much as possible from the 2 of you guys, thanks for your teaching

[@georgeclayson902]

I appreciate what Sam is doing getting different perspectives on issues like Sola Scriptura. However it is much easier to attack a position that to defend your own. I think a fair thing to do next would be to have Catholics and Orthodox lay out their own views on Authority and allow Protestants to offer their critique of that position. This would be a more objective way of looking at these issues. I think this is actually the second Catholic who has critiqued Sola Scriptura. I would like to see a Catholic make a positive case for the authority of the papacy and then an Orthodox and a Protestant to critique that position.

[@bpbp8623]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hojOnoCEq9eSqtE You might find it interesting George (that’s about the papacy).

[@helenr.2184]

This was a very good discussion.

[@aletalasin158]

I will be loving this conversations!!!

[@munivisionmuni5620]

Wow Trent Horn! This man is respected amongst all apologist. For those of you who don’t know Horn. You should look him up. Debating him you must have big cajones. I would love Sam and Trent go at it. Thank you Sam. Thank you Trent.

[@iamnaomi8326]

Trent Horn. Woo-hoo! You guys are 2 of my favorite people. Truth seekers, truth speakers. Glory to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Amen 🙏

[@barry.anderberg]

Scroll through the comments and you'll see why most of the commenters are not Catholic. Straight up ignorance.

[@lonelyberg1316]

Trent should upload this video on his channel

[@Andrew-sj9tr]

You really should watch Steve Ray

[@jamessheffield4173]

Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

[@TheEdzy25]

Rome sweet home!

[@MavourneenKathleen-l5j]

European countries were pretty defined indiviual cultures. America has multiple cultures and subsequently multiple denominations.

[@IllyrianHighlander]

Trent Horn is the best! You try to get Jimmy Akin on here!

[@filiusvivam4315]

I love my Protestant brothers, but that doesn't change the fact that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church. Those deep in history cease to be Protestant. Deo gratias!

[@mosesyi5523]

That's historically untrue, there was no Roman Catholic Church or its Papacy around the time of Jesus Christ.

[@LB_die_Kaapie]

@@mosesyi5523 The only 'Roman' Catholics are those that live in Rome. If you're going to lie about history at least be accurate in most of what you say smh

[@Mkvine]

Christ is Truth The Catholic Church has the pedigree through apostolic succession to trace itself back to the apostles. Thus, it was the Church that Christ founded.

[@jamese6427]

Rather be deep in scripture than deep in history.

[@rightlydividing7607]

God is the authority John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Psalm 12:6-7 6 The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. 7 Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. John 17:17 - Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Now God is obligated to share this truth with one who seeks it because He claims His word is truth. Nowhere in the scripture is fallible man or a physical church deemed the truth. 2 Timothy 2:15 - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy 3:16 - All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: James 1:21 21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. There’s no scripture about a physical church that’s capable of saving anybody. Once you attempt to justify doctrine with church fathers, catechism, or education, then you’re completely out of bounds because none of those are or were ever inspired by God.

[@mcrmylover100]

1st Timothy 3:15 "if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth"

[@rightlydividing7607]

Bryce Tatroe Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called “Christians first” in Antioch.

[@rightlydividing7607]

takmaps Since God’s word claims to be truth... John 17:17 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. Let’s rely on it because it can never lie, unlike the RCC which is run by man who’s capable of lying. I don’t think your religious flesh will be able to handle this Holy scripture. Luke 24:44 44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Matthew 23:35 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. OT canon recognized by Christ himself, without the apocrypha, and way before any catholic church showed up. Don’t get me started on the NT.

[@mcrmylover100]

@@rightlydividing7607 cool go ahead and reject any foundation for the books in the Bible. Do you believe as Luther did that James and revelation should be removed as well since you want man to decide what is part of the Bible. Do you hold Mary to be in high reverence as Calvin did? The old testament cannon wasn't established amongst the Jews until the 4th century. With Christians using the 7 books ripped from the Bible by man in the reformation. St. Iranaes against heresies written in the 2nd century references time and again the books rejected by the men who are Calvin Luther and zwigli. Iranaes was taught by polycarp who was taught by John the Baptist. Are you claiming to know the scripture better than John the Baptist? Polycarp? Iranaes?

[@rightlydividing7607]

Bryce Tatroe I read what God left me and leave it alone. Sounds like the church fathers are your final authority, are they infallible? Of course Luther wanted to get rid of James and revelation because he couldn’t rightly divide the word of truth to the right group of people in the right dispensation. 2 Timothy 2:15 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Ephesians 3:2 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: Luther was stuck on James 2. Meanwhile, the book of James wasn’t even addressed to a Christian but to the 12 tribes (Jas 1:1). Are you Jewish and part of a tribe? Simple reading of James, shows the context of the Jew in the tribulation where they’ll have a faith works salvation plan. The book of Job is a picture of a Jew in the tribulation. James 5:11 11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

[@jorgegonze]

Hi Mr. Shamoun and thank you for what you do. I would just like to tell you this which i think you know. Many advance students of the Bible look around and see other advance students of the Bible end up in far different beliefs than ours, this brings many questions to our minds . We look at all these churches with different believes claiming to be following the Bible yet there are so many doctrinal differences. Looking at different churches and trying to understand how they came to their conclusion is good but if we base all our arguments on human reasoning we will never truly understand God (Isa 55:8-9), now Trent Horn's arguments are based on on this. He looks at religious people and what they believe. If the Bible is the word of God then what it says is true. Jesus says in John 8:30-32 that you shall know the truth. 1Cor 1:10 Pauls says that they all believed the same thing and condemned divisions or denominations . Matthew 16:13-20 Jesus promised to build one church, 1Tim 4:16 the one doctrine will save, 1Tim 1:3 teach no other doctrine it seems to me that the Bible claims that it only has one doctrine Ephesians 4:4-6 The believers are united in belief in one of each of these things some of them are one faith (Rom 10:17) and one body (Col 1:24 one church). In conclusion John 12:48 Jesus says that we will be Judge by his words at the last days, I cannot see God judging people by somethings that was only meant for some to understand.

[@Godrules1234]

Wait if you’re doing both sides searching for the truth are you going to bring on anyone that is the opposite in point of view? Cuz if we are searching for the truth then we have to search both sides and not automatically assume one or the other is right. Genuinely asking.

[@Godrules1234]

Jesse Oliver Thank you for helping out!

[@noelperfecto2302]

Sam, I hope someday you will be one of our great apologists the Catholics have and don’t forget to bring David Wood with you to the Catholic Church brother, God bless you

[@matthewmccall6028]

I disagree with Trent when He says the Bible does not tell us who Christians are. John 13:35 tell us "by this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love one for another." I believe true Christians love Christ, and love those that love Christ regardless of denomination. Hypocrites are those that seek to condemn Spirit filled believers who don't think exactly like them. 1 John also points to love for the brethren as a marker of true faith. Thank you Sam and Trent for your love for the Brethren and this edifying talk.

[@Hello_World_Channel]

Yes, I agree. When he said the bible doesn't tell us who is considered a Christian... I'm not sure what he is expecting. Christians are followers of Christ. We believe He is our Lord and Savior, we follow His lead. We confess we are sinners, believe He died and rose again to pay the price for our sins, with His blood... and we receive the Holy Spirit to guide us. We are born again, as the Bible says. Does he mean that the Bible should say something like "In order to be considered a Christian, you need to do x y z..."? To me it is pretty clear... You can come to that conclusion if you just read the gospels. Jesus is enough. If you truly believe that someone DIED a brutal death after living a perfect life to bring you to a paradise you don't deserve and save you from your mistakes, you naturally want to do as they wish. Completing a specific check list of task to make it into heaven just seems to take away the whole essence of God grace. I can't help but think the catholic doctrine will have you continuously questioning whether you are on God's good side... I am extremely confident I will be with my Father in the next life... because I KNOW Jesus saved me. Nothing I did to save myself...

[@michellebernal5668]

Followers of Christ? Or followers of Christ AND believers that Christ is God? Many “Christians” claim to be “Christian” such as jehovah’s witnesses and other unitarians

[@paul_321]

Amazing talk

[@leszekkrupinski2538]

that sola scriptura results from the fact that it is the word of God. This does not mean that the church does not have a deposit of faith. This means that the profession of faith must be consistent with the Bible. The Bible teaches that salvation is by grace through faith and that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient and that no merits are needed before God.

[@elroy..]

Thanks Sam... Next... Steve Ray, Dr. Taylor Marshall, Scoth Hann Viva Cristo Rey✝️

[@paul_321]

YES!!! Islam will be gone by the end of this century when all who praise and worship Jesus as Lord and savior dialogue 🙏🙏

[@digging4pearls961]

I read on Catholics sites that Judas "successor was Matthias. The "replacement, not succession of a traitor is no proof of Apostolic Succession. The reason Judas was replaced was he was the son of perdition prophesized about in Psalm, which Peter quoted. "Let his habitation be desolate and let no man dwell therein...." It was taken from him, and no man "succeeded" him. He was just replaced. 12 apostles, not because Judas was an apostle who needed replaced, Christ even called him a devil. He said he knew from the beginning who would betray him. John 6:64,70 and 71 And Matthias was the Lord’s choice to replace Judas, Peter didn't choose him by laying on of his hands. Important NOTE: Twelve tribes-twelve apostles. That was the Lord’s plan and program, for them to go the Jews only, but then it changed, obvioulsy. Paul was also called by God, who was not of the Twelve. Peter never chose Paul God did, as he chose Matthias. In Acts 12:1-2 When Herod killed James, the brother of John , no one "succeeded James place. From Acts 13:2 to Acts 28:28, the “Acts” the record is filled the spiritual activities of Saul, who became Paul. In these later chapters Paul is mentioned more than one hundred times, and there is no record of the words or doings of Peter or any of the Twelve, except as they had dealings with Paul. All the years covered by the first eleven chapters of Acts, the Lord kept the number of apostles at “Twelve,” for his Divine purpose and he sealed that number. The Lord’s promise to the twelve apostles: And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” Matthew 19:28. Twelve was fixed on earth for a divine purpose and it's is fixed in heaven. The TWLEVE picked by God all had BEEN eye witnessed to his life and death. Not even Paul was of that TWELVE. In Revelation 21:12 and 14 it says, “And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel.” “And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” Revelation 21:12 and 14. No successor was chosen to take the place of James, Peter, John or any other!

[@HEAVENLYLIFE1033]

JOHN 21:25 mentions that not everything JESUS did were written ....therefore SOLA SCRIPTURA is not acceptable.

[@Unknown-Duelist]

Shepherds and Holy Scriptures what a person needs who desires to be saved. Saint Peter the Chief Apostle teach us to follow the shepherds of the Church with obedience and humility. But he also warn them that there would be false teachers and shepherds in the Church. So a Christian needs to practice discernment in order to not follow blindly. The reasons why the Lord Jesus Christ clearly says there are many called but few are chosen.

[@ernestnjodzeven2442]

Thank you Trent Horn

[@RitchButch]

God bless Sam and trent

[@karinapillay874]

does anyone know a good channel that provides info like this on Hinduism? Im planning on sharing stuff with hindhu family about why christianity is true but i want to be able to understand their doctrine first pleasee let me know if you don

[@JU-bz1kn]

@Matt Blaise Thanks Matt! I was also searching for something on Hinduism. And interestingly I had come across Sakshi apologetics around 10 years ago, I think, but at that time they just had a website and no KZbin channel. I remembered it, when you mentioned the name. Cool. Let me check out their channel.

[@Romailjohn]

verdant christian search it

[@Romailjohn]

@@lukebrasting5108 no his born anglican christian his ancestor were hindu priest

[@CATHOLICAPOLOGIST1]

40:41 St Ignatius of Antioch. Follow the Bishop

[@monstersong7433]

Sola Scripture seems so burdensome. It requires serious study and not all people have the time, energy, dedication, intellectual capability. Before the printing press, few people could have afforded a personal Bible. And few people could read. So how would Sola Scriptura be viable? What about illiterate people today? It seems right that God would create an authoritative church as guide.

[@zhivkogeorgiev254]

Sam u did great with Shuaib, glory to Jesus for using you like that ❤️ Quick question, why the donations doesn't work?

[@kaloyanivanov2801]

@Zhivko Georgiev Католик ли си? Или ортодокс? Или Евангелист? Слушай Якоб Праш Или Билл Ранделс(ех католик) Грейс Библе феловшип.

[@achenen8406]

Awesome

[@blakejohnson1264]

We need to have a sit down with Trent Horn and William Lane Craig discussing this issue.

[@hgpilott]

I think it would be awesome to have Trent Horn and Anthony Rodgers have a discussion.

[@bass9351]

Trent horn really nails it from his view as a western point. He respects the eastern churches followings from Jesus Christ 2 the APOSTLES to the church fathers. Very obvious the spirit is leading him.

[@bigfootfound5301]

Let's look at it this way. It's not "Sola Scriptura," it's PRIMUS Scriptura. Scripture not "only," but Scripture has first and prime authority. Why? Because the New Testament is the surviving voice of the original Apostles. The written Scripture of the Old Covenant is not equated with the written New Testament! What is the New Testament? The NT is Peter, Paul, Matthew Luke, James, John, etc, etc. It's what we have of them. Some traditions are obviously needed and valuable, that doesn't mean that the multiple centuries of traditions are needed. People need to accept that evolution is real in this regard. Culture and tradition EVOLVE. Organized Religions evolve. They evolve! Any objective analyst knows this. Evolution has not only distorted Catholic religion, it has also distorted Protestant theology. Thus we have a zillion denominations, and politically progressive Protestants conforming to the secular world. "The canon was organized by the Catholic Church." Oh? You mean they met under the Virgin and Child statue, and recited the Rosary before their decision? Can you stop making it seem like the Catholic Church was one, unchanging thing? NO NO a thousand times no.

[@saustinjxp4363]

Sam Shamoun, my enthusiasm!

[@bijoythewimp2854]

I am also a Catholic, I have doubts regarding Catholicism. Does sacraments means that people are saved only through it and not by faith alone

[@klintonhaw]

According to the Catechism. Sacraments are required for salvation. Ccc 1129 The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.

[@fungusbeef]

Sacraments are a "means" that God has instituted to save us. They are tangible, physical, visible signs that truly do the thing signified; for example, in baptism we are truly washed of our sins (1 Peter 3:21) and in the Eucharist we truly eat and drink the body and blood of Christ (John 6:54). Sacraments are required for salvation in the same sense that faith is also required for salvation. God can save apart from these (the thief on the cross, baptized infants who lack the mental development to possess faith), but to reject them is to reject salvation. That's a long answer, but even most Protestants (I was one for many, many years) will tell you that saving faith is never "alone"; James 2 teaches that saving faith is faith that obeys -- and if Christ has provided us the sacraments and commanded us to participate, which he has, then that is how we should express our faith.

[@justfromcatholic]

Protestants believe that in order to be saved we do not need to become righteous. In fact, no matter how hard we try we can never meet God's high standard of righteousness. The only solution is we accept (by faith alone) free gift of Christ' righteousness imputed on us, covering our unrighteousness. When we die, instead of looking at our unrighteousness, God will see that perfect righteousness of Christ and based on that He will let us enter heaven. Their famous saying is "we enter heaven solely based on what Christ did on the cross and not based on anything we do". Even you die with sins, you still go to heaven, because they will be hidden under perfect righteousness of Christ. In contrast Catholic believe that to enter heaven we need to be righteous (Mat. 25:46). Definition of righteous persons is given in 1 John 3:7. By ourselves we can never become righteous - Scripture says through Christ we are made righteous (Rom. 5:19), apart from Him we can do nothing (John 15:5). Scripture says we lose our righteousness through sinning (Ezekiel 33:12) and there are deadly (mortal) and non-deadly (venial) sins (1 John 5:16-17). That is why Catholic believe that through Sacrament of Baptism we are cleansed from sin (Acts 2:38) and through Sacrament of penance (instituted by Christ in John 20:22-23) our sins committed after Baptism are forgiven and make us regain back our righteousness. This is repeated through out our life as we do sin again or salvation is a process. While Protestants say salvation is one time event and through faith alone, Catholics believe God saves us through faith (Eph. 2:8) and through sanctification (2 Thes. 2:13). Catholics will say "we enter heaven based on what Christ did on the cross AND what He (and God) does in us, i.e. we are transformed from unrighteous state to righteous one".

[@georgeibrahim7945]

Faith alone? This is a false doctrine in fact only place which mentions FAITH ALONE in the entire bible James 2:24 has the Words and NOT BY infront of it. Faith is never alone, it’s Faith through Charity and Love

[@georgeclayson902]

@@georgeibrahim7945 Ephesians 28:-10 For by grace are you saved through faith and this is not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship created in Christ Jesus for good works which he has before prepared that we should walk in them. Romans 5:1 Therefore being Justified by faith we have peace with God through out Lord Jesus Christ. Acts 16:30-31 What must I do to be saved? Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved. Find me a single verse in the Scriptures that teaches we are saved through the Sacraments, that salvation is by the sacramental system described by Rome. The reason Romans Catholics are so against Sola Scriptura is because their view of salvation is unbiblical. Follow the Scriptures and you will end up protesting against the errors of Rome. Martin Luther demonstrated this. This is the reason that Rome sought to keep people from having the Scriptures in their own languages. Look at the lives of Wycliffe and Tyndale. It was only once Rome had realised they failed to prevent this from happening that they published their own translations. Soli Deo Gloria

[@jdubb6557]

The Bible isn't clear on abortion? Really Trent......

[@kyriosbooks8400]

“If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates. My reason for doing this would be, that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, He must still be hated as He was when He was on earth in the flesh. If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world. Look for the Church that is hated by the world, as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church which is accused of being behind the times, as Our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned. Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior, as they sneered at Our Lord because He came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil, as Our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils. Look for the Church which theworld rejects because it claims it is infallible, as Pilate rejected Christ because he called Himself the Truth. Look for the Church which amid the confusion of conflicting opinions, its members love as they love Christ, and respect its voice as the very voice of its Founder, and the suspicion will grow, that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world, then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly, it is other-worldly. Since it is other-worldly, it is infinitely loved and infinitely hated as was Christ Himself. ... the Catholic Church is the only Church existing today which goes back to the time of Christ. History is so very clear on this point, it is curious how many miss its obviousness...” ― Fulton J. Sheen

[@amelialin8877]

I belive on the scriptures, those ??? not written on the scripture like: Is it ok to use pills for birth control? Is it ok to have tubal ligation after having 8 children? Is it ok to use car, celphone or the eternet? Ans.=the Holy Spirit will guide you. Pray and seek wisdom fr.the LORD. I salut Trent Horn's defence during his debate with James White. But his presentation here is weak proof (I'm not convince) to make his statement be the infaliable.

[@pastorykyamanywa5476]

You say the Holy Spirit will guide you..I say yes but have you ever thought why there is increasing number of Christian denomination in the world where every individual believe she is guided by the spirit? And they can't agree on what the Bible say. It's obvious that the holy Spirit guides us through the church. So we can not rely on individual interpretation rather of many faithful as one in the church

[@caseyg1516]

If the 'document' of the scripture is analogous to the constitution, as in his analogy, then isn't it the interpreter (supreme court/ church tradition) that is prone to fallibility? He even said the supreme court has made the 'wrong' decision at times. Does he believe that Catholic history is without fallibility? Now, how do you distinguish between what is and isn't infallible revelation? I'm not sure I accept all implications of Sola Scriptura, but I err on this side because I believe we need an agreed upon standard that overrules human tradition. This is what Jesus was critiquing when he said to the pharisees, "you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition." I Interpret that to mean, man's traditions deprive people of the simple relationship with God that the scriptures were meant to provide.

[@Romailjohn]

yeah bible is the word of GOD we should act according to it only

[@jediv3381]

*Trent Horn or any RCs please answer: If Sola Scriptura is false, then explain why 180 plus verses say Jesus, Apostles and NT Church all appealed to Scriptures Only for doctrines? Not once they took doctrines from other sources such traditions of Moses or Pharisees? Why is that so? Explain coherently intelligently. Was Jesus and Apostles all false teachers?* *31 Verses Found, 31 Matches on the word “Scripture”* Mar 12:10 Have you not even read this *Scripture:* 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. Mar 15:28 So the *Scripture* was fulfilled which says, "AND HE WAS NUMBERED WITH THE TRANSGRESSORS." Luk 4:21 And He began to say to them, "Today this *Scripture* is fulfilled in your hearing." Joh 2:22 Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the *Scripture* and the word which Jesus had said. Joh 7:38 He who believes in Me, as the *Scripture* has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." Joh 7:42 Has not the *Scripture* said that the Christ comes from the seed of David and from the town of Bethlehem, where David was?" Joh 10:35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the *Scripture* cannot be broken), Joh 13:18 "I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the *Scripture* may be fulfilled, 'HE WHO EATS BREAD WITH ME HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.' Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the *Scripture* might be fulfilled. Joh 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, "Let us not tear it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be," that the *Scripture* might be fulfilled which says: "THEY DIVIDED MY GARMENTS AMONG THEM, AND FOR MY CLOTHING THEY CAST LOTS." Therefore the soldiers did these things. Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the *Scripture* might be fulfilled, said, "I thirst!" Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the *Scripture* should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN." Joh 19:37 And again another *Scripture* says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED." *21 Verses Found, 21 Matches on the word “Scriptures”.* Mat 21:42 Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the *Scriptures:* 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE. THIS WAS THE LORD'S DOING, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES' ? Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the *Scriptures* nor the power of God. Mat 26:54 How then could the *Scriptures* be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" Mat 26:56 But all this was done that the *Scriptures* of the prophets might be fulfilled." Then all the disciples forsook Him and fled. Mar 12:24 Jesus answered and said to them, "Are you not therefore mistaken, because you do not know the *Scriptures* nor the power of God? Mar 14:49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me. But the *Scriptures* must be fulfilled." *127 Verses Found, 132 Matches on the words “it is written” referring to Written Word/Scriptures.* Mat 2:5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus *it is written* by the prophet: Mat 4:4 But He answered and said, " *It is written,* 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE BY BREAD ALONE, BUT BY EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD.' " Mat 4:6 and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For *it is written:* 'HE SHALL GIVE HIS ANGELS CHARGE OVER YOU,' and, IN THEIR HANDS THEY SHALL BEAR YOU UP, LEST YOU DASH YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.' " Mat 4:7 Jesus said to him, *"It is written* again, 'YOU SHALL NOT TEMPT THE LORD YOUR GOD.' " Mat 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For *it is written,* 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.' " Mat 11:10 For this is he of whom *it is written:* 'BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER BEFORE YOUR FACE, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU.' Mat 21:13 And He said to them, *"It is written,* 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER,' but you have made it a 'DEN OF THIEVES.'" Mat 26:24 The Son of Man indeed goes just as *it is written* of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." Mat 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for *it is written:* 'I WILL STRIKE THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP OF THE FLOCK WILL BE SCATTERED.' Mat 27:37 And they put up over His head the accusation *written* against Him: THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. Mar 1:2 As *it is written* in the Prophets: "BEHOLD, I SEND MY MESSENGER BEFORE YOUR FACE, WHO WILL PREPARE YOUR WAY BEFORE YOU." Mar 7:6 He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as *it is written:* 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. Mar 9:12 Then He answered and told them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and restores all things. And how is it *written* concerning the Son of Man, that He must suffer many things and be treated with contempt? Mar 9:13 But I say to you that Elijah has also come, and they did to him whatever they wished, as *it is written* of him." Mar 11:17 Then He taught, saying to them, *"Is it not written,* 'MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER FOR ALL NATIONS' ? But you have made it a 'DEN OF THIEVES.'" Mar 14:21 The Son of Man indeed goes just as *it is written* of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born." Mar 14:27 Then Jesus said to them, "All of you will be made to stumble because of Me this night, for *it is written:* 'I WILL STRIKE THE SHEPHERD, AND THE SHEEP WILL BE SCATTERED.'

[@shamounian]

you seem the same scriptures that say Jesus and the Apostles also proclaimed truths not found in the Old Testament but were still infallible and binding? you're a special kind of stupid

[@rosoisika6831]

Peace to you, Mr. Sam. With Scripture alone, your field of action is not only limited (II Pet III, 15-6), but goes against Scripture itself (Joh XIV, 23-4): it is Luther's famous trap door from which so many beliefs have emerged and which all contradict each other. In fact, before Scripture, Our Lord taught, He wrote nothing, and He did not command His Apostles to write anything but to teach. Before Scripture, therefore, the Faithful believed: there are therefore two Sources of the Word of God, Tradition (He I, 2; Lk X, 16; Rom X, 14-18; Joh XXI, 26; Joh XX, 30 ; II Thes II, 14-5… III Joh I, 13-14), and the Bible. But it is not for the Faithful to interpret either Tradition or the Bible but for the Magisterium established by Christ (Mt VII, 15; Act XX, 29) by which the Faithful is sure to know the voice of God (I Tim III, 15; Joh XIV, 16. 26) as in the Old Testament, it is not for the Faithful to interpret the Torah but for the Supreme Pontiff, the Prophets. Thus, under the guidance of the Magisterium, your field of action is legitimate and assured (Mt XVI, 18). You will then know why the number of Books in the Bible is not 66 but 73 because this Magisterium received the same mission as Christ (Jn XX, 21) and he must ensure it until the end of the world, so much that there will be souls to save (Mt XXVIII, 20). The key point is this: any religion, tradition or script that claims to be divine needs a sure authority, an infallible interpreter. Outside of that, we have no guarantee of what God meant, it is chaos and division. This argument will facilitate your debates, as you do on Islam because you know Arabic, because everyone sometimes interprets, everyone stands on his positions without being able to conclude. To the Church of Christ was promised victory, as symbolized by the Prophet Daniel (Dan II, 34-5). Peace on you !

[@theobserver3753]

On point.

[@Medhead101]

Have you seen the Fuel Project? They made a video some years ago entitled 'know your enemy-Roman Catholicism'. Can you refute it?

[@junelledembroski9183]

I hate to be the low kick here, however, God is the only infallible source, He had fallible men write His book, in a way they could understand for the time. But they passed on the teaching through tradition, and we 4000 years later need a bit of other sources to understand what they meant, how they meant it, and fallacies of the times, so that we don’t make the old mistakes. It’s not the strongest argument (is why I called it a low kick), but my sister read the Bible to me when I was little and I never understood any of it. I still have only a surface understanding of scripture. I’m going to be 40 in a few weeks. What I went away with as a child was that I should be catholic (my family were new age christians), I was laughed to scorn, told I would not be part of the family anymore, and teased relentlessly. A priest tried to save me when I was 17-19, but I was ungrateful, and his work didn’t set in until I was 30. And he had passed away. I never got to thank him. But as a Catholic I know now, I can. And I can ask him to pray for me. Pray for us Fr Hughs! Please! And thanks again!

[@ruydm]

Comparing holy scripture, that is inspired and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work (2 tim 3:16), to a constitution while rejecting its sufficiency and calling the body an institution... I have listened to everything, but I cannot agree with someone who does not believe the Word of God is enough to correct churches. Sola Scriptura also keeps being misdefined when it only defends that the scriptures are the only God-inspired documents in existance.

[@sydb2848]

Can you answer why bishops or popes wear costumes that have pedophile/Babylonian symbols on them? Just asking for a friend. And how is one saved from hell ultimately? Still asking for a friend.

[@shamounian]

call me on skype so my friend can answer your friend: benny_malik3

[@ansaz14]

note 1: Jesus and the Apostles condemned the exegesis of the Pharisees and Sadducee that were based on Talmudic Traditions rather than the Law and the Prophets. note 2: With Sola Scriptura we do make 3 unstated assumptions: that the believer is acting upon right exegesis, and the believer is a rational man, and the scriptures are the word of God. I would agree Sola Scriptura is a lot like the creeds of Christendom in that they are not scriptures but summaries of ideas taught by scripture. This though I why I would agree to sola scriptura. Creeds and Councils are only as valid as they are subject to the expressed will and word of God, I. The Holy Trinity is the ultimate authority. It's hard to argue for the 5 Solas, without the belief that God is the ultimate authority and it is God that defines our obligations and duties; and it is up to the individual to respond to this by obedience. 1. Sola Scriptura does have scriptural basis, as an inference from ----------------------------------------------------------------- a) Jesus responses to i) Satan's exegesis of Psalm 91, call to worship Satan , call to improperly test God. ii) Pharisees and Sadducee traditions and the rejection of his messiah-ship. (Mark 7:6-7) b) The prophets rebuke to Jews i) Isaiah 29:13 (Jesus quoted this in Mark ) ii) c) Stephen's critique of the temple cult of his time (Acts 7) d) Judgement of the Man of God from Judah (1 Kings 13-15) i) he was mislead by a "prophet" into disobeying God, yet his judgement was accurately predicted by the same source. ii) My point here is to argue for personal responsibility is not erased when one is misled by leadership note: this is in addition to the citations of Acts and 2nd Timothy from Trent Horn, and can be used for argue for Prima Scriptura point: Scripture being used to correct errors in traditions, revaluations, and false "words of God" 2. Sola Scriptura as a matter of historic necessity --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sola Scriptura is part of the protestant tradition, part of the 5 Solas that are in particular articulated to help protect the individual believer from abuses of Church authority, Church leadership structures, or church traditions. We are subject to these authorities only as far as they are subject to the will and word of God. There was a historical need to clear out the abuses within the church and this was a good heuristic tool. Not all the judgements of the Catholic Magistrum were scripturally valid, how do we sort out which ones are valid before God and which ones are not, without being arbitrary or too dependent on our sensibilities? 3. Sola Scriptura as a matter of practical reason ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It serves us well today, I live in a place with people who claim apostleship and prophet hood and deny certain things the bible teaches such as the Trinity. I don't have means to validate or invalidate the "revelations and prophecies" they receive from their visions but I can challenge them by asking how come it doesn't conform with scripture on a particular point or why a particular exegesis fails based on what the text tells us. Thought Experiments: Consider a married Woman that has a dream that she is to marry another man married to someone else, and a church leader approves. Consider the pope that wants to marry, as apostle Peter did. Is it right for the "church" to demand his celibacy and non-marriage? Is the vow of celibacy required by God from all his servants in ministry? Who then demands it? Consider all the various bodies that claim "apostolic succession" in the Vatican and in the Eastern, and some African churches; and in some cults; and conflict with one another on various issues of Doctrine? Is it in line with how Apostleship is determined in the new testament, more specifically in the book of acts? 4. Sola Scriptura as a push towards personal responsibility for learning how to "rightly divide the word of truth" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Believing that every believer has the Holy Spirit; every Believer can have the Scriptures; and the believers have teach each other as they are guided by the Spirit of God. Considering all that the bible tells us about the scriptures. How do I come to a place that I can rightly divide the word of truth? How can I accurately pick out what is from God; what is from the wisdom of those am learning from; and if what I am learning is indeed from God?

[@stopnthink777]

Sam, brother, are you becoming a Catholic? How do we explain praying to Mary and the Saints? Is that biblical? Please don't say yes! Only God can hear our prayers.

[@jzak5723]

Let me first ask if you believe that those who were in the Body of Christ here on earth, once they die, are they still members of that same Body of Christ in heaven?

[@NX-uo5kz]

This is why: 1. God is not God of the dead but God of the living. Mk 12:27 2. The souls of the just made perfect are always before the throne of God worshipping Him and offering prayers Rev 7:9-17 3. The angel offers the prayers of the Saints to God along with incense Rev 8:4 4. The fervent prayer of the righteous person is very powerful. James 5:16 Putting all these points together is why we ask Mary and the saints to intercede for us just as we ask each other sometimes to pray for us. God bless 🙏🏽

[@stopnthink777]

@@NX-uo5kz in all the examples you gave above there is no mention or justification for us to pray to the Saints who have passed away or to the angels!besides, you don't see one example in the book of Acts or the letters of Paul or the letters of Peter or John, etc. to say that we should pray and ask those who have passed to intercede for us! To create a doctrine based on verses that are not very clear on this issue is twisting scripture and adding our own conclusions and beliefs to the text. Can you give me one example in the New testament where they say that we can pray to those who have passed on? For example Stephen who was the first martyr to intercede for us? I believe it is safer to follow the apostles teachings and examples rather than Church traditions that came about many many years later! Just as Paul says in 1 Cor 11:1 Praying for you 🙏🙏♥️♥️

[@stopnthink777]

@@JohnnyMacs-BibleNightInCanada Amen to that brother!

[@stopnthink777]

@@jzak5723 what does that have to do with praying TO the Saints? Here in the body of Christ we pray TO the Father FOR one another. That's very different than praying TO and asking a saint who has past and is in spirit to intercede for us. We know that humans are not omnipresent like God to hear every prayer from every corner of the earth that is made to them. In Daniel 10: 12-13 we read that even angles can't be omnipresent and can be delayed if they are bound to do something somewhere else. And that they are dispatched if you will to come to our aid it deliver a message once our prayers are heard by God. Blessings to you!♥️♥️🙏🙏

[@ZuoCruz]

Make this guy debate Jay Dyer on your channel on the topic of the papacy

[@johnnychikko3800]

Jay Dyer and Erick Ibarra had a Papal debate-discussion on Reason and Theology. I found Ibarra most convincing.

[@danim2897]

He has been challenged by William Albreth and also Eric Ybarra challenged him to a “formal “ debate. They even offered to fly him out and pay for it. Dyer hasn’t accepted.

[@waseemhermiz7565]

Lol Jay Dyer to the rescue huh? Already lost the debate my friend

[@markramlucken8502]

Sam God Bless u love u Sam praying forum.

[@edugarmore4629]

hi sam, try to invite also Eliseo Soriano from the Philippines but now teaching the word of God in Brazil , he is good too in debating and exposing lots of false prophet in this modern time.