Trevor Responds to Criticism from the French Ambassador - Between The Scenes | The Daily Show

[@lesleync8390]

There is an old saying in my mothertongue that goes (a loose translation) A successful child belongs to the father but a bad child brings shame to its mother.

[@simma8431]

Yup. Even I have also heard about this saying in my country.

[@OlabodeJames]

@Lesley NC, are you Nigerian?

[@lesleync8390]

Hello. No, I am Kenyan.

[@moon5497]

In my country there is the same thing

[@lovelylindsey2684]

Lesley NC my mom told us the exact same thing when we were growing up in India so #inmycountrytoo

[@usmankiani8760]

His way Of Talking And Selection of words Is So damn Accurate and Charming.

[@danielliang9266]

@@mustafainulhaque9508 Ellipses on so many sentences in a single paragraph when it's unnecessary. "Not in comment section" isn't correct English, there must be an article. You use words like "fucktard" and accuse others of "fucking English". Well, do you mind?

[@fatewinder]

@@danielliang9266 isnt he just being sarcastic?

[@mustafainulhaque9508]

@@danielliang9266 the ellipses were for a dramatic effect. And as far as the word fucktard is concerned, lol wtf bro? You need to understand the word 'sarcasm' Mr. Grammar Nazi. Not to mention its unbelievable that you're defending the idiot who wrote the comment in the first place. 😑

[@mustafainulhaque9508]

@@fatewinder true, I am. Lol, tell him

[@MegaDreamOo]

He is so intelligent..!

[@kurushi857]

Whenever my son misbehaves, my wife refers to him as "your son". When he does something good, she says "our son".

[@gsjdndnndns1818]

Well my mum goes to my dad in joking manner obviously "my daughter" when I do something good

[@niranjanr8075]

I thought “her son”

[@phedreBiOn]

I'm sorry about that, I hope it works out best for everyone involved x

[@EinMor]

Communism intensives

[@phirus02]

That's a pretty toxic thing to do i think

[@selmaselma3658]

"France colonalism" as someone who's from a country that has been colonised by france i was so GLAD he made that point clear.

[@ahmadhourani3014]

Yes !

[@Kroatensindperser]

True...the fact that he reads it with the French accent is hilarious😁

[@kimchunin9818]

What’s your country?

[@Blooomxx2]

Yeah that right !!

[@ambroiseperret6460]

even if there were no colonialism , African are still going to immigrate in France because of the high life style

[@anggiesastodiyoriya3682]

“I am a Germany when we win, I am an immigrant when we lose” - Mesut Özil

[@1895jk]

Besides the "Erdogan Affair", don't forget that he just performed very bad during the WC (he was one of the worst players). Everyone loved him before he went to Arsenal, thats when his career went downhill. This has nothing to do with racism ( except for some actual Neo-Nazis maybe)

[@Sk0lzky]

Those two statuses aren't mutually exclusive. He is an immigrant who also represents Germany* and is paid for this - just like dozens of trainers, sponsors and other members of the whole system who put their hard work and expertise into the results and into making him the best athlete he can be. If he's also German - because an immigrant can become a German both as a citizen or as a member of the nation** - either through process of cultural adoption or naturalisation or being born to a (partially) german family abroad - although unfortunately many people of turkish origin don't consider themselves german and even despise german culture (it's not like I disagree in that regard lol) creating large colonies which are often considered by their inhabitants to be actual turkish land, so it is understandable that he might not be accepted as a member of the group by certain people who don't know anything about him BUT that he represents Germany - which is the important part for them. *even if he's not considered to be german by himself, members of the group, nor doesn't present objective qualities allowing for attributing him to that it, he still is there to represent Germany - not himself, Turks, his family or immigrants. I know, it's hard to accept that someone from an outgroup could represent the ingroup but we do it all the time - ever heard of outsourcing? :v And even then it's not really outsourcing since he belongs to the whole system, this unholy machine needed for large enterprises (such as a national representation at a major sports event) to be succesful **as considered by others/represented by certain beliefs he holds and cultural frame he fits into/as felt by himself

[@1895jk]

Nick Hasan hold on, because I addressed his performance its racist? Are you a troll, or did you forget to take your medicine?😂

[@alessandro.calzavara]

Lukaku said exactly the same thing

[@martinw.309]

"In my heard I am always a Turk when I play. Long life Erdogan!!!" - Mesut Özil

[@timcosa9885]

If they can be both then I congratulate Africa for winning NBA every year.

[@timcosa9885]

@Fabreena Why do you think that the French are backwards?

[@theoobadiahteguh2537]

4:57

[@ceciliamata6339]

I sort of agree but don't because unless all the NBA players families have directed migrated from Africa then its different because that would mean that they have been here for centuries/ generations.

[@timcosa9885]

@@ceciliamata6339 They all raised in France unlike their parents or grandparents Or is there some DNA issues by your reasoning?

[@ceciliamata6339]

@@timcosa9885 I just mean that they were raised by Africans so they can be both they are clearly french but they were raised the at home the same way Africans were. DNA?

[@aybakaltamish8103]

"When I score I am Romelu Lukaku, the Belgian striker. When I don't score I am Romelu Lukaku, the Belgian striker with Congolese descent." - Romelu Lukaku.

[@sagedavidelia8985]

🤣🤣

[@raynmanning2893]

That’s when I don’t agree with lukaku, he is still the Belgian striker with Congolese descent even when he scores. You might not be born there but don’t forget get your heritage when you succeed. You wouldn’t have been there if it weren’t for you descendents

[@m.h2247]

Rayn Manning you’re misunderstanding him. What he’s saying is this is how people consider him. When he’s doing great things, they claim him as Belgian and only Belgian in order to enjoy his achievements. But when he fails he’s not truly Belgian anymore. It’s not how he views himself, it’s how Belgian society views him.

[@raynmanning2893]

Melody Headburn oooh I see, it’s people see him when he succeeds and when he doesn’t. Like what they do with Ozil

[@nathanaelvalville9191]

@@raynmanning2893 yes exactly how they do with Ozil, and how they did Balotelli in 2012

[@EnglishTube]

"I am German when we win, but an immigrant when we lose.” Mesut Özil

[@othellox1064]

he will be never a german tho.

[@khouloudetvoguelagalere200]

The same thing in French Racism in another flavor

[@Zak0179]

@@othellox1064 lol he is german tho hahahah

[@mustafahamed9453]

Thats why he left

[@mandyb8675]

@@othellox1064 He was born in Germany, like what??? Don't modern nations take in that sort of thing, you ancestory does not matter, only birth and citizenship.

[@mustafainulhaque9508]

Man, this guy speaks so well.

[@mustafainulhaque9508]

@@igorslagalo2378 you have a right to your opinion. I can respect that :))

[@pietrorequena6571]

He is the best. Always clear arguments

[@Успехнезагорами-с3в]

Mustafain ul Haque dude he mite become a president one day

[@mustafainulhaque9508]

@@Успехнезагорами-с3в Yea man, the guy has a crazy amount of influence.

[@paulomilan515]

@@igorslagalo2378 you jealous much lol

[@heema_9451]

Linford Christie a famous sprinter famously said: When I win I'm Britishm when I lost I'm Jamaican!

[@annedunne4526]

It's that same for us Irish. When we win or achieve something, they call us British, tho we're not. When we fail or get in the way, we're paddys.

[@imrankh68]

Well said

[@thegusionmemer2666]

lukaku said the same "when i perform well or win something i am from Belgium but when i loose i am a Belgium man with African roots" its sad but true

[@BigManJay69]

Who are these 'they'? I personally don't change my mind on any of these black players, boxers etc. AJ is a british boxer. He recently lost. He is still the best British heavyweight. Prince Naseem was just a muslim. When we won, I didn't accept him, when he lost it was still the same.

[@wikalein]

@@BigManJay69 And what is your criteria for accepting someone Big Man, enlighten us

[@REBELLOGIC]

Talk about putting things into perspective - Trevor never disappoints

[@LoganLS0]

1111stunna1111 Against who? He's mixed race.

[@grandtheftaudio6386]

He doesn't have to be against anybody in order to put something "into perspective" also despite being of mixed descent you should read up on his childhood.

[@commonsense5494]

Yep, that was brilliant.

[@sandrahunter5904]

REAL TALK W. EMA STAR 🎆🎆🎆😘😘😘😘

[@LoganLS0]

grand theft audio Some guy claimed he was a racist but apparently deleted his comment.

[@hblake5213]

Trevor: Calls out the French for their colonialism Me: *sweats in British*

[@carapo66]

That's funny.

[@rudrachakraborty5217]

I am an Indian and thanks for the laugh! 😅

[@sampacisse6521]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnnyjoestar5193]

All is fine now just dont go complaining about why theres black people in the U.K

[@grimmmaster7189]

😂😂😂

[@demeko96]

As a French, I wasn't offended by the original joke, because that's the point : it was a joke. It wasn't funny because it's a running gag everyone already knows about and the speech was pretty lame to be honest, but it was still a joke. I took it as such since it was stated by a comedian on a satirical talk-show (context, like Trevor says). Also, it's well known the French have much trouble laughing about themselves. We're great to tease others but we don't like being teased, especially on the question of race which is a rather big deal here: the word "race" itself is racist, when in America, everything revolves around this idea. It's just two cultures who had a misunderstanding, I didn't see anything more to it. Now, I'm still glad Trevor came back on it and explained himself. I believe the duality and nuance he's speaking of here (players being both French and of African descent) is what was missing in his original joke, so it's good that he made it clear this time. What people have to understand is that the USA and France were built upon two opposite principles. America was built upon the idea that individual freedom should prevail, but in France, society is everything. You're part of a social group that identities itself as French before you're an individual with different origins. This is why it's easier in the US for people to claim their descent: African American is an expression that doesn't shock most people, but in France, if you call someone an African French, there's a good chance you're a supporter of the alt-right party, because only them uses this argument. But don't get me wrong, it's perfectly fine to talk about someone's origin or background in France. I am of Armenian descent, people get curious, they ask questions, they want to know who in my family was born in Armenia, when and why they came to France, etc. It's all good and fun unless I suddenly identify myself as Armenian, or even Armenian French. Then they'd ask why, because it wouldn't make sense to them. Suddenly I would be distancing myself from the social group and you shouldn't do that in France. This is who we are, culturally speaking, this is the value we share. If you're French, you must identify yourself as such. It's ok to talk about origins, it's ok to say you love your country of origin. It's just no quite ok to say you feel less French because of it. So when an anglosaxon points the finger at our national team for being composed by players of African descent, and when this aspect is what he highlights instead of their "Frenchness", we fly off the handle a little. I think people don't have to reach common ground, but it would be nice if both countries could open their minds and understand that what's wrong to them isn't necessarily wrong to someone else, and that this is ok... Cheers from France!

[@Cinnuhminn]

melanielandon96 That’s the best comment I’ve read so far. I really think you wrote with a clear mind.

[@alexistoret7697]

Tres beau discour !

[@joaorenz7784]

Spot on commentary about how the French love a satire over anyone except themselves, I had this exact same thought when I went to France. Plus you're correct with the race thing, USA focus a lot in race in their speeches, there's always something separating them from being one nation. France has its racists but for you guys it's more important to identify yourselves as a country than as sub-groups withing the country, and that's pretty awesome in my opinion.

[@Kingatje]

melanielandon96 Such a clear and well-spoken, benign explanation. Thank you very much for sharing it. It does help me understand much better.

[@IamEnygma]

You should have the Ambassador's job.

[@johanquintero22]

" I'm not trying to be an asshole but I think that its more a reflection of france's colonialism", Damn this guy is a real adult. Great words Mr Noah. Saludos desde sur America.

[@59DGO59]

No, that was gross and ignorant from him. The idea that there is a lot of europeans of non european descent because of colonialism is completely wrong. Germany didn’t colonize Turkey, but they have millions of turks. Netherlands didn’t colonize Morocco, but they have millions of moroccans. No, it’s much more because of a shortage of workers in Western Europe in the 70s/80s, the easiness of getting citizenship, and the laws allowing workers to bring in their wives and families. Plus there is nothing wrong about colonialism, history is made of conquests.

[@fabienso5889]

@@59DGO59 That makes me cringe yeah there is nothing intresequaly wrong with colonialisum however in most cases there has been a point where it went wrong

[@59DGO59]

Adrien Roy Yes I agree Like atrocities in the state of Congo and herero genocide

[@anoniem32]

@@59DGO59 Sony Ber Wooow no, love how you could only mention the turks and moroccan who where "temporary" cheap labour replacement (and "millions of Moroccans" is a stretch) + there is a LOT wrong about people being oppressed.

[@microwave4563]

@@59DGO59 Moroccans barely numberr 2% of netherlands population. Dont be so ignorant and back your statement with facts

[@kellym.6777]

Being French and African i can firmly assert that no lie was detected . The accuracy is crazy from start to finish and I love how articulate he is! Keep it up Trevor 🙌🏾

[@shafinhanif8802]

@ML8593wy stfu white warrior. France committed horrible atrocities in Africa and they have to apologise by helping the Africans live a better life.

[@deadwolf3607]

@@shafinhanif8802 and africans sold there own people to USA. And lets not forget that Egipt had the most slaves in the world But still nowhere close to the arabic slavery and slaughter

[@corporateraider9766]

Who else read this(or tried to) in a French accent?

[@GoFeri]

Though I think Trevor is right in the end, I can see where the strong French response was coming from. Right wing, anti-immigration nationalism is on the rise in Europe and their supporters were using the same lines and memes durint the world cup. Trevor is right that it's different when he says it, but I can see why the rather liberal French establishment's first reaction was to reject the kind of lines they are used to from the xenophobic European far right.

[@MsMatcauthon]

You can't be both french and african, you're either french or african.

[@alioubalde8815]

"When he was on the ground he was African " so powerful

[@Edbashir]

indeedddddddddddddddd

[@HercuLync]

Except that he wasn't granted French citizenship until he saved the child and as a reward for doing so. Anyone seeking citizenship of another country is not a citizen of that country until the moment that country gives them citizenship. Powerful, yet at the same time common sense. At the top of the building, the man's had a potentially life altering moment. He was now something that he wasn't before. @@Edbashir

[@MN-vz8qm]

stoupid... Those who blame the foreigners are not the same people as those who praise the french from different backgrounds. Mixing the two into one group of people is a basic form of racism, which Trevor is guilty of here.

[@Karl87ification]

As a son of an immigrant family living in germany, i can say that trevor is speaking from my heart. i don't get why i have to choose one side when i am perfectly happy being on both.

[@PartisanGamer]

Karl Ificator ... sadly we are still hardwired to tribalism. I am certain we will overcome that one day, but for now most people still need those dividing lines to function. For me ... I am German, I have a German father and a Polish mother, yet the only thing I feel is being human, I dont care for either nationality, and I am quite confident one day most people will feel alike and we can finally do away with nations and borders and be united as humans.

[@lillililli1726]

Karl Ificator but France is different ...Germany is not France....Afro culture is all around TV... street...school... FRANCE is different...

[@TheNefastor]

Karl Ificator I'm French so I really don't know, but are you actually forbidden to express whatever identity you want to express ? Or are you just whining that other people aren't forced to go out of their way to make you comfortable ?

[@MRiGOThim]

Karl Ificator sprechen sie deutsch???

[@Karl87ification]

Jean Roch i totally agree. you're french and you really don't know.

[@nigelnyoni8265]

Trevor: gets into trouble. Also Trevor : Mocks their accents when telling the story 😂😂😂

[@aceofspades58]

Mocking and imitating is different bud. Mocking is malice in the FORM of imutating.

[@lofinyzosma4281]

nice amount of like you have

[@aceofspades58]

@@lofinyzosma4281 ~nice~

[@stefvnbrssl8601]

@@aceofspades58 it's an exaggeration of the french stereotype, so I'd rather say it's mocking

[@aceofspades58]

@@stefvnbrssl8601 The accent is definitely not exaggerated, I've been to france. It's slightly different but he's not french so he's allowed space for derivation.

[@michellewilliams5211]

This man's intelligence is inspiring.

[@MrZlathan3]

Trevor has exceeded my expectations.

[@tbone020998]

This guy is a idiot

[@Slipthestrangewolf]

@@tbone020998 Fuck off

[@mrejalegendary9080]

tbone020998 is that jealousy talking Mr?

[@michellewilliams5211]

Exceeding someone's expectations is a compliment. The glass must remain half full on this journey people. ☺much love!

[@maialendch4001]

What I find interestin about the US is that there are African Americans, Asian Americans, Indian Americans, even Native Americans; but when it comes to refearing to white people we don't say European Americans, we just say Americans. Because they feel like they're the ones that ARE Americans in its esence (big lie, they have a European origin, all of them). I don't know, I'm not a US citicent, so I don't really understand. If somebody could explain it to me (respectfully), I'd be glad to listen

[@missolympiabinewski]

Not really true. We have Irish Americans and Italian Americans that have very proud cultural organizations, parades, festivals, etc. In Chicago there's a Ukrainian American society and a Polish American one. The odd difference is that America tends to lump people more broadly from non-European places. You'll hear Asian-American more often than you'll hear Japanese American or Korean American. You'll hear African American before Senegalese American. It's not always true. Mexican-Americans are Mexican Americans whereas a Chilean American will more likely get labeled Latin or Hispanic. Anyone from the Middle East is just Middle Eastern not Syrian, etc. I'm not sure I understand why really. Maybe we see more specifically the cultural differences among white people and have a slightly racist inclination to think of non-white people as coming from the same or similar places. Obviously there are rich cultural differences and even troubled histories between Chinese and Japanese people but often when they are both in America they are just Asian-Americans. A group identity that wouldn't exist outside of our country.

[@maialendch4001]

@@missolympiabinewski thank you🥰 I appreciate the explanation. It's a very interesting situation, as I'm from the Basque Country and this does not happen the same way in here.

[@missolympiabinewski]

@@maialendch4001 I appreciate the question! It's funny the things you don't think about because they just get normalized. Takes someone from outside to jar you into thinking about it!

[@maialendch4001]

@@missolympiabinewski yes hahaha I guess😅 we need a lot of thinking before we can start to change the world

[@missolympiabinewski]

@@maialendch4001 Just a second thought. White Americans lumping people together based on race might have an organizing effect. Asian Americans and African Americans wind up having a lot in common based on how they are treated which forms cross-national bonds. So Nigerian and Ethiopian Americans are united in a group identity based upon similar racist treatment. It creates solidarity. White people don't do that to other white people which means you get these more specific ethnic and national identities. You can be a Greek-American and not just a European American.

[@daviddieudonne7829]

The thing is, France won in 1998 the World Cup too and then a famous racist politician in France said France didn’t win, that he didn’t see any French players in the team and that he couldn’t recognize his country in that team. It was a huge deal back then, as those players were born and raised in France and it was a disgrace someone would imply they re not French, every Frenchman felt like he had to show his support to the team being French. Now Trevor made the same remark, years later, funnily enough from the opposite side... I’m just giving background info on why France reacted, they had too... you can’t only react when it’s a racist who says it, but not when someone else says it.

[@TheLugdunum69]

You're perfectly right. Also, Trevor say exactly the same thing that the letter : you can be both and have an "administrative nationality", wich is obviously french and not african for those players (if not they wouldn't be allowed by the fifa to play in the french team), and a "roots nationality", wich mean a lot things (cities, countries, langages). But yeah, it feel strange to hear an american teaching "racial lesson" with a moking accent and then say "you people are so pretentious"... 🙄

[@darrynllee]

@@TheLugdunum69 Trevor is South African.

[@TheLugdunum69]

@@darrynllee well... that's not so much better on those questions, don't you think ?

[@AJT86]

@CORONA IS BUSINESS French people are people from France. It’s got nothing to do with skin colour.

[@bjornulf2011]

​@@RandomThought111 Yeah, to put this in context, what he said was already said by right wings extremists bigots here in France... Something like : "This team isn't French", "they don't look French", ""african team,"i support germany, at least they are white", etc... What Trevor said may have sounded normal for americans or south africans, but sounded racist to me. For example, as a french, i find the idea a "black college" VERY racist, and i couldn't imagine that in France. Helping people because they are poor is normal, helping them because of their race seems wrong to me. Just giving you an idea of how most French people are thinking. :-)

[@muslimahafiz2740]

Why is it that in the united states, white Americans aren't referred to as European Americans but all other Americans are put in a group?..why do they get to be just Americans and others have to be African Americans, Asian Americans, Latin Americans, Arab Americans.. I never understood that concept...I feel like its a subtle way of discrimination and a way for white Americans to fulfill their sense of entitlement.. Even natives aren't just Americans.. They are put in a box too..🙍🙍

[@laurawillits176]

Very good point. It becomes funny if you try to include all of a person's background in the first section of the hyphenation. That makes me an "English Irish German Norman French Polish - American" Hmm. Better just stick to "European - American." And I agree that if we're going to hyphenate anyone's identity, we should do so for everyone.

[@control2007]

Many white people do call themselves by their national origin, especially if their family recently migrated to the United States. If you are in Chicago, many people refer to themselves as Polish-American. If you are in Jersey, many people refer to themselves as Italian-American. If you are in Boston, many people refer to themselves as Irish-American. In all honesty, the individual giving himself/herself the label is the only one that can say who they truly are and how they want to be identified. I think to Trevor's point, people have the option to be both in the US. This is not the same case in France.

[@GrandGobboBarb]

because wasicun gotta feel like they're the best folk in the universe, and heaven help you if you make them feel otherwise

[@trollins869]

True. I feel like the US constently refering to people as different ethnic background is very detrimental for the non-white citizen. There are enough discrimination for the states to add one more. French authorities are right not taking into consideration ethnicities. You can't have an equal society when you reduce people to their origin.

[@humongusdick2375]

Its because whites fought for that place and won it..... They are literally letting you live there giving you the same amount of respect and rights as they have and I think that's commendable You should respect that

[@starcherry6814]

“So... what had happened was!” That’s how you know this story is going to be good!!

[@yasminmumin6409]

No how you know it's good is if its Trevor saying the story

[@ZackTuNan]

I was expecting Trevor to tweet again tonight but too bad we missed this time.

[@lailamagdyragab5048]

They’re French citizens of African descent. Done and done.

[@victorgodwin4458]

They're also citizens of their various African countries

[@edgarbaudry]

@@victorgodwin4458 For all of them but two, no. 21 out of 23 team members were born and trained in France. Even the players say they are and feel French. So France did win the world cup, not any country of Africa.

[@edgarbaudry]

@The505Guys hey, most of them aren't African at all and I'm curious what you see when you think of a French person. French is a nationality, not a color.

[@arnaudgauthier9888]

@The505Guys "French ethnic group" There is no french ethnic group ... You are trying to read france with ur american glasses and it doesn't work sorry.

[@arnaudgauthier9888]

@The505Guys Sorry but i repeat myself there is no french ethnicity. "The modern French are the descendants of mixtures including Romans, Celts, Iberians, Ligurians and Greeks in southern France, Germanic peoples arriving at the end of the Roman Empire such as the Franks and the Burgundians, and some Vikings who mixed with the Normans and settled mostly in Normandy in the 9th century." Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_people#Nationality,_citizenship,_ethnicity "Thirdly, sub-Saharan Africans with French passports are not and will never be French" Yes, they are sorry if u have such racist views..

[@michaelross9444]

Seriously I need this guy to run for some type of office.

[@cherylcampbell9369]

He has more direct influence doing this. And more control of his content, imo.

[@corrinnaangel]

Michael Ross I agree

[@rasheedalnajjar2997]

I agree

[@ghugha9610]

Very smart indeed

[@cherylcampbell9369]

@Michelle Goodrow of which country?

[@jaydee3119]

Yeah you understood the situation very Well. I'm born in France, grew up there, north african origins... "in order to be french you have To erase everything that is african "..exactly, for some people you have to choose l. And by the way, the hypocrite ambassador said "we don't judge them by races " lol ..but if they were not football players who won the cup but some criminal people they will be the first to expose there origins... Hypocrisy. Sorry for my English btw.

[@thewirah1]

It's not necessarily racism in the original sense, it's differentism. France eradicated regional languages like Breton, and giving your kid a regional name can still be a pain. Other Europeans countries are more open to diversity even within their borders.

[@jaydee3119]

No we are not talking about the same thing.

[@thewirah1]

jay dee How so?

[@mouhibcheikhelboukhary1759]

Yea, being a North African myself I can assure you that in order to be French you need not only to cut off your African roots and throw’em in the garbage can, but you need to offer to the country what the average high-born French cannot offer. You’ll get to live as a French, but in their eyes you remain African. Nonetheless, the French people are so nice it is some times overwhelming and of course you’ll run into a racist every now and then, but thus far they only represent the minority.

[@axelbauron155]

jay dee I'm a French white man and you are right, the big flaw of the French system is like you said: magically, french identity erases everything and we are all equal. Except, in every day life, people are still discriminated for their origins. That's because the system is ideological (jacobinism) and not pragmatical. But aren't you like me, when you hear someone says: "It's not France who won, it's Africa", it doesn't sound right: as a Frenchman, I only hear far-right, racist cunts say it. It's a matter of culture: in USA, people are proud to say they are "African-American", in France it sounds discriminatory if someone would say: "he's a Maghrebin-French". What do you think?

[@mumaachilekwa5183]

The only problem is there aren't many" in between the scenes " on KZbin, that's the problem

[@amberkelly3187]

On a much less serious note this reminds me of the jokes we have in the UK about Andy Murray the Scottish tennis player. When he loses he’s the Scottish tennis player when he wins he’s the British tennis player.

[@Shankar-Bhaskar]

Andy likes to be Scottish, he even backed the Scottish referendum.

[@dougclark9921]

He's not a tennis player from any country anymore

[@erzan]

@@Shankar-Bhaskar Yet he happily carried the British flag into the London Olympics stadium and took British sports money. Which I support, obviously. 🇬🇧

[@natetoasty]

he had a good run🙏🏼

[@awochoco]

Being a person of color is bigger issue than that ,and it's not comparable

[@99fruitbat]

Scottish athletes are always referred to as British when they win and Scottish when they don't win ! Been going on for ever !

[@pijafinocchio]

I live in Korea and many Scotts and Welsh are so angry because there isn't a name for each country(except during Football), so they call them all Brittish and don't know what Scotland and Wales is.

[@lemontea9735]

@@pijafinocchio they can just say theyre from scotland or wales rather than just saying 영국(the UK)

[@pijafinocchio]

@@lemontea9735 The problem is people don't know where that is...there is a TV show where foreigners come to Korea to visit and there were some welsh people last time and they wrote 처음이지 영국 and someone must've complained because after a few episodes they changed U.K. to Wales lol

[@lemontea9735]

@@pijafinocchio shame but technically wales is a part of the UK just not that specific of a word

[@pijafinocchio]

@@lemontea9735 but people from wales like to be called welsh.

[@zoutheinaabbas1003]

As someone who grew up in France before moving to the US, I can say that what Trevor said is true. Both my parents are from Africa and I was referred to as an 'African' for as long as I can remember. However the moment I started to achieve stuff and get great test results, I was 'doing France a great honor'. The thing about France is that they try to separate the cultures you have to seclude a person into being only 'French', since that's what they believe is the best result one can hope for. I agree with Trevor 100% on this, even the part about the US. Thanks for taking about this!

[@shivasrinivasan80]

Zoutheina Abbas Trevor is just back pedalling. He made a joke that did not go well and now he trying to bring context to it. He failed. Admit it was joke and say he did not mean harm.

[@ShawnMahler]

Shiva Srinivasan you do realize the entire show is comedy. So it was a joke. Why are you so stuck on serious mode? Stop hating and move on!

[@shivasrinivasan80]

Shawn Mahler Wait a minute, he is the one trying to justify the joke. He dedicated a fair amount of time to respond because he got a letter from the French Ambassador. If it's a joke and comedy show, then he could say it's precisely that. He does not opt to do that. I can hardly be called stuck up and serious, if Trevor Noah wants to actually make a serious statement from a joke. Further fair criticism is not hate.

[@lillililli1726]

Zoutheina Abbas oooo Please it's even worst in America 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

[@nanox25x]

Well as you must know because you moved to the US. In the US you stay African, what does it mean to be American? Nobody cares. Just stay African because that’s what you came there to be. Oh and if you are Muslim don’t bother call yourself an American please.

[@mounirsaifi3735]

"If I Score, I'm French. If I Don't, I'm Arab?" (Karim Benzema).

[@pxlacey2018]

Il a jamais dmit ca gros fdp

[@bob84290]

Oh yeah I forget the French are very racist towards arabs! You'd be shockedd how many arabs and non-white people who are colored have been given an OBQTF ( obligation de quitter le territoire Français)

[@kattharsismic]

I think that as the ambassador wrote, the players origins are individuals but the team as a whole is French. He did not say that they don't have backgrounds, he said that the team was French, as he wrote they grew up in France and were raised with French values, do they have multiple cultures, sure, but the team isn't African. And actually, France is a country that recognizes bi-nationality, I myself will be French and Canadian. The ambassador did not say that they can't be both, only that the Team, is the French team and that is the country they are representing. They can also be an inspiration for Africa of course. And as Trevor said, it's all a matter of context, you should see all the comments on KZbin only that attack this team and denies these player their "Frenchness", comments implying that they are a sort of mercenaries playing only for the money while denying the fact that the players actually learned their trade in France and attended school in France. I don't think Mr Noah should see this as an attack towards him, it really is a matter of responding to a phrase that has been said way to often by racists. The players themselves have said on multiple occasions that they are sick of being called African while wearing the French shirt, of course it wasn't for the same reasons as Trevor's, but they still want to set the record straight. Look at Benjamin Mendy's tweet responding to a post highlighting all the origins of the players by placing them beside some African and European flags, he responded by placing a French flag beside every player's name. I know Trevor didn't mean it as an insult, and I'm sad that it is perceived like one, but people have to understand that this comment has been said way to many time to diminish these players attachment to France. You can have two nationalities in France, be from any country, but it is true that if you represent France, it is a French victory first. As for the comments about the African man awarded French Nationality for his heroic behavior, he doesn't have to renounce his Nationality, he simply can, and has, embraced a second one and he will represent France while being a fireman as he said he would become one. He will also represent his country of origin while doing so, but every action he undertakes under the name of France, is French. So yeah long post, but what I mean is, this is not an African team, on the other hand, it is a French team, filled with players that individually bring with them other cultures. That it essentially what the ambassador said. As Obama said, they may not look like Gauls, but they are French, and for a piece on France winning the world Cup, that should be enough no ? Don't misinterpret what I want to say, I understand what Trevor said in this video and I share his beliefs as I'm sure the am assador do, but the ambassador was right to call Trevor out for his comment that can be seen as inappropriate, especially the "you don't get this tan by hanging out in the south of France part" which can be interpreted as saying that they don't look French therefore implying that their skin colour as something to do with being French. None of them are any less French than I am.

[@stevoforce]

Pierre-Emmanuel Bois The point is, for Trevor to receive letter from the ambassador, its a big deal to deny they are Africans

[@kattharsismic]

stevoforce the ambassador only denied that it was Africa that won the WC and stated that the players are French and therefore France won, he also stated that each player takes his own individual background with him. He never denied that some of the players were also African. I have to say that in his original piece, Trevor tone seemed to be less about celebrating the African heritage of the French players than it was to say that it wasn't as much of a French team as an African one that won the world Cup. So the ambassador has every right to respond to it the way he did, and I think that it was meant to be read calmly as the words written are not vindicative at all. I'm a big fan of Trevor, but his approach wasn't a really good one in the original video and I didn't like the way he twisted the ambassador's words in this one, as it never was about saying that they can't be both African and French. And honestly, in France it's pretty common to celebrate both of your nationalities if you are a dual citizen and not at all a problem except in front of a nationalist or a racist which aren't as numerous as some would've you believe. But then again, everyone can make mistakes, but I think Trevor wasn't very good at owning one there and was back pedaling a bit while putting words in the ambassador's mouth. But no hurt feeling from me anyway I'm a big fan of Trevor, just disappointed on those pieces. And honestly, most of them aren't African who can become French as he said, they are French guys who happen to have African heritage from their families, they were born French. The colonization part was also a, pardon me, dick move, it is true that it originated from it, but the diversity in France is not less beautiful because of it was born from blood, quite the contrary, France has acknowledged it's faults, but worked towards integrating everybody, celebrating multiculturalism. And it is true that people do not identify by race in France but do speak proudly of their origins, be it from within France or a foreign country. A French woman born from moroccan parents would proudly refer to herself as French with morrocan origins, not African-French.

[@tomr5803]

As someone who has lived in France, I can say that the French have, generally, no problem whatsoever mocking others but can absolutely not take anyone making a joke of the French or France. France is a country that tries so hard to be monolithic in subsuming all non white cultures into an overwhelming white French culture. The only time that the French celebrate their minorities, especially the non white ones, is when they bring glory to France. Otherwise, it's the African immigrants, the vagrants, the trouble makers in the banlieue, etc. There's a great hypocrisy in the French culture.

[@Chuks]

Pierre-Emmanuel Bois I don't think it is up for debate that france won the WC. It's clearly a joke that no one should pick offense on. Trevor is a comedian like we all know, so he will always say random stuffs like this to appear funny. I think the french ambassador should look up the definition of the word "JOKE".

[@kattharsismic]

DTR DTR it is absolutely true that we are first to laugh of others and first offended, but we are not forcing a white culture onto anyone, only values that are supposed to be universal, their are some bad policies for sure, but it is not about pushing away the origins of people, it is more about sharing something as a people. There is indeed no celebration of minorities though, but no segregation or attacks either, except From racists and bigots. Plus arts, language, studies have been heavily influenced by the different minorities, simply listen to French people speak and hear all the Arabic slang French from all colours including whites use daily and realise it really is more of an exchange than you think, same thing for pop music.

[@Matters2023]

Comedians are some of the most intelligent people alive, Trevor is way too intelligent too.

[@dentuborg1]

Dr Squats So africa won nba ?

[@claymountain1300]

Well that is because a good sense of humour shows high intelligence, it takes a lot of brains to make good jokes.

[@hnktan]

@@dentuborg1 Yes, even if you ask players they will tell you that we are African Americans

[@pilgrimressurection]

They are jesters People with Jester personalities are deep af

[@SamSam-ds9ny]

Lmao

[@Willehable]

"I don't take their frenchness away from them" Except that's exactly what he, Trevor Novah did. Even if it was a joke that was just what he did. He was saying that it wasn't a french victory, it was an african victory, like.... how can that be interpreted any other way? This gives off a very "holier than thou"-vibe. Something that is lacking a a lot is any sort of credit to the french ambassador for standing up for his people. And if you should be able to say the n-word than anyone should be able to, otherwise we're just differentiating people based on their skin. again.

[@titheproven954]

They are a team of French Africans. Why is this such a hard concept for French people? The point he makes is that the forcefulness of making them 'French' in fact robs them of their heritage and origins, which less we forget is steeped in Colonialism. The reason the joke is funny is BECAUSE it is a given they are French, and ironically African, when they are a minority representing the majority. Again not a hard concept.

[@SweetHeart-oh5dr]

HE SAID THAT AFRICA WON AS A JOKE HE WAS JUST DEFENDING HIMSELF SAYING THEY CAN BE BOTH AND CAN IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, HE WASNT DEFENDING THE POINT THAT AFRICA WON, THAT WAS A JOKE.

[@hineyla957]

Tithe Proven Lmao have you ever seen even one video of the french team behind the scenes? They've never ever hidden their african roots and nobody asked them to. You can be french and african, but it's not because you're african that you have to forget you're french as well. That's just basic etiquette for french people. And this Noah dude did exactly the contrary, he dismissed the FRENCHNESS in the French players to basically reduce their identity as African people only, he downplayed the achievement of a french team.

[@titheproven954]

Trevor identified them a French Africans. (I already explained that when I explained the joke that seems to fly over French peoples heads...that it is a given that they are French etc. etc....There is also a level to the joke b/c Trevor the Black guy FROM Africa is the one saying makes also ironic) The are both, b/c that is what they should be able to be if they want. To me it comes across as France being super defensive not out of respect or defense of the players. But more about their Ego in winning a FRENCH world cup. To me it comes across at trying to white wash the culture and history of the players. It is worth pointing out that many "people of African origin" are often washed of WHERE in Africa they come from b/c long histories colonialism. While not the whole case with this particular team as they can and DO have the ability to know just what country in Africa they are from; It does not negate the fact that for those who can't they are a representative of the whole. Trevor even goes specifically into this by say the whole of Africa rejoiced are the French victory b/c to them it was as if they also won. African culture as a whole continent is very much a thing. Large in part due to the continent as a whole being raped by mostly European nations. The problem with being so insistent that they are French first is that is just comes across as France trying really hard to not have to admit that these men ALSO have Origins outside France and those Origins involves the French being historical monsters. America knows we where monsters when we where slave traders; Europe always comes across like they wish to sweep it under the rug.

[@hineyla957]

You have the wrong point of view here. It's the point of view of an outsider. You should be warry of one thing: racism in the USA isn't of the same nature than racism in European white countries. Listen, don't trust your Noah dude on this one because he views French society in a completly wrong manner. I have both nationalities : French and Algerian. My country did a genocide in my country. I can never forget this, and I can never forget the culture I have that comes from my Algerian roots. BUT Seeing me as an Algerian BEFORE being French basically means to me that I'm less French than white french who have been living here from hundreds of years ago: I'm as french as them and it is not the right of my co-citizens to dismiss/downplay the work/achievements I do in France, for France JUST because I'm Algerian. That's where we come from by saying Mr. Noah popularized and used a joke with an argument used by far-right movements, Nazis and racist people in France: those person don't see the french in me, they only see the African me. I'm not french to them, I'm African, and I'll never ever be french. And then they tell us "Go back to your country!" Trevor said "Congrats Africa... don't tell me they're French? That's impossible!" blablabla : he only saw the African in them, just like how the racists here do. That's why when we have a successful multicultural team like the one we currently have, we strongly want to make the point that "They're french!" to show them racists that skin colour doesn't matter when we hit it big for France. That multiculturalism is a good thing for France. That even if they're black and of African descent, nobody now can tell them they're not french, because they did the biggest deed they could. If we claim them as french SO MUCH it's because we need successful POCs like them as examples of integration, so french POC won't need to prove their frenchness forever. France as a nation is working hard against racism and inclusion. And people like Mr. Noah should respect that and our ambassador for standing up for us, french POC.

[@mae__]

As a black French woman i confirm!!! France has a problem with the plurality of identity within the French identity! You've summed it up and articulated it perfectly

[@winterkeptuswarm]

Immigrants everywhere unite 😭💗

[@skarthikongole]

Even if plurality is welcomed, it still doesn't justify saying that some other country won the world cup just because some of the players originated from there. And frankly, Trevor knew exactly what he was saying when he said what he said. He knew French people would not like it, but he said it anyway.

[@alex_vrla]

Karthik Ongole thank you !

[@alexandrevrla9675]

He says why can't they be both ? Nobody will deny their origins, and I understand the ambassdor saying trevor is denying their frenchness. Trevor knows exactly what he's doings, and I hate him for that. You can feel the audience ready to jump at exactly what they're criticizing about the french people just when he reads "unlike the united states..." its pathetic and completely useless

[@mae__]

@@alexandrevrla9675 Yes! "Unlike in the US" part was totally useless but it is the response of the French ambassador! So i don't get your point😅

[@starcherry6814]

They’re not African they’re French. Why can’t they be both?? That hurts, having to give up your heritage feels like ereasing part of your identity.

[@ameliemelo92]

French ambassador said “roots are an individual reality”, you and Trevor apparently don’t understand English ? You can be both but it is a personal feeling, French black people may feel African and French, they may also feel only French, or they may feel French and Nigerian but not African. Trevor is saying they are black so they are African, French ambassador just reply NO you cannot say that because they may not feel that way. Being black DO NOT make you African. Having the French nationality make you French not your color.

[@AbMaSync]

@@ameliemelo92 Wait, what is your argument? Cause it seems that you're merging both points in this conversation. The ambassador was (and I'm paraphrasing here correctly, I hope): "hey, please don't say they're african because we don't want to feed nazis with faulty arguments, so we're saying the team is fully french". And Trevor was like: "No, you should accept them as french and african, you have to empower everyting that they are, everything that forms part of them" At least that is how I understood their points.

[@ameliemelo92]

Abraham martinez perez wrong, Trevor mention the nazis, the ambassador did not talk about them at all

[@cherrivanilla]

I agree, it does feel like ripping myself apart 'cuz I'm of mixed heritage but I have to conform to only one and disregard the other which is unfair.

[@ameliemelo92]

ChocoHolix what does feel like that ? Can you please explain? Because the French ambassador did not say that in any way in his letter. So feel that way if you want but you cannot blame the ambassador for that

[@ben8133]

Same thing happening to özil( german footballer)....when he won world cup he is german....when he lost last year he is turkish....so sad

[@livonteone]

True word why though

[@livonteone]

He is the best when they won but as they lost urban turkish

[@LOLERXP]

Oezil was taking pictures with the racist and islamist Turkish president, calling him „my president“, while the latter was jailing thousands of journalists and undermined Turkish democracy and kemalist principles. So you can’t really make a comparison.

[@rairearizki3588]

@@LOLERXPracism is bad, i get it. Buy why being an islamist is a bad thing?

[@Bdhdudnbdjd]

@@LOLERXP your comment is bullshit. Kemalism is nondemocratic and racist in the beginning, so erdogan is just following the states priniciples. Except that he is muslim, now europe ia freaking out because of their islamophobia. but when the kemalism did massacres to the armenian and kurds they kissed turkeys ass

[@sorrynotsorry6373]

This dude is a Genius. I live in France and I'm african as well... I see no lie

[@bobbech6180]

sorry not sorry dis moi en quoi il a raison?

[@sorrynotsorry6373]

@@bobbech6180 tout

[@bobbech6180]

sorry not sorry Donc pour toi ce sont des afriquains pour la plupart qui ont gagné? Quand notre ambassadeur dit que ça reflete la diversité de la France, lui parle d’un reflet du colonialisme? T’es d’accord la aussi? Quand il se met à parler chinois à la fin aussi? « Je comprends ce que dit l’ambassadeur blabla notre alt-right utilise les mêmes arguments que les miens blabla context is every things blabla »

[@bobbech6180]

sorry not sorry « And if french people saying that can not be both, I think they have a problem, not me » il est au courant que ça existe la double nationalité en France? C’est juste un gros retournement de veste, le gars a voulu vanner en disant « Africa won the world cup Africa won the world cup », « regardez ces gars la, c’est pas avec le soleil du sud de la France qu’ils ont eu ces couleurs la » puis il finit par dire « pk ils peuvent pas être les deux français/afriquains » à aucun moment il dit que ce sont des français la première fois 🤔

[@fenecofeneco19]

so you are not french

[@olivierdedenus7574]

When you use English to describe something French you can only miss the point. Both points of view represent inclusiveness one is based on having one universal identity the other is based on having multiple identities. They are deep seated differences between both cultures and languages. However, these differences enable us to learn about ourselves and others as being human.

[@mibwill1]

I’m french and trevor can’t be so true when he’s saying everything he said. When it’s a crime, on tv they say french and his origine is from marocco or congo etc etc.... but when they do good things as the world cup, it’s only french.... Thats so hypocrism from their part (government) and it’s a shame

[@EzolyHD]

mibwill1 arrête ta victimisation

[@BroJo676]

@@EzolyHD Arrête d'être ignorant.

[@BroJo676]

J'imagine que tu es un français issu de l'immigration car tu dis la vérité (ou du moins, tu la vois la vérité).

[@EzolyHD]

Joel Kotto chaque pays fait ça pas que la France Si t’es pas content du traitement de la France à ton égard tu dégages et n’oublie pas que le RSA c’est pas partout en Europe mais en France uniquement

[@BroJo676]

@@EzolyHD Je ne suis pas français, je suis un étudiant étranger en France et je vis grâce à l'argent que mes parents m'envoient. Donc, mets ton RSA dans tes fesses car il ne m'a jamais nourri, de près ou de loin.

[@OmotolaALawal]

as an african living in Europe, i understand where France is coming from...i personally think France handles their "diversity" better than a lot of places. it's not perfect but it could be better. i had to unfortunately argue with lots of racists who were shitting on those world cup players because they were of African descent...and France does things like this to protect them. In France, you cannot even get statistics of racial population because it's unconstitutional.

[@MrFrondoso]

World always ask France to understand that secularism is different in other country, so are human right. But France couldn't ask a single us citizen to try to adopt for a moment another point of view to see the whole landscape. I guess racists are all the same, regardless their nationality.

[@patrickkazinja4435]

whattolivefor !! if France was handling the racial diversity as u are suggesting then all those black and Arab footballers would be working in mainstream jobs,its hard for blacks and Arabs to get mainstream jobs that's why they end up being musicians and athletes.

[@MrFrondoso]

patrick kazinja. Yeah. I guess I'll pass the message to all my friends whose ascendants were born in Africa. They'll be glad you defend their rights to work in Banking, IT, research, education, or as civil servant. Ouch. They already do. And, yes, you're right : France has a lot to do to ne effectively the nation of Human Rights.

[@shamy8-799]

whattolivefor !! My parents are Italian but i was born and raised in Denmark. I stick to my background coz thats were i came from!!!. Im not ashamed unlike you. Be proud of your origins.

[@Emme-Kappa]

Completely agree.

[@MrElvato23]

I love trevor and watch his show almost every day. But in my opinion he tried to change the story in order to strengthen his arguments on this one. In his first comments he never said that the players were „french-africans“. He said Africans. And now that the ambassador just used the word french it‘s a problem? Come on trevor how is it different than what you did?

[@Mn-xh9ps]

Thanks to see it, a french.

[@sowellsowell]

I had to rewatch this after the World Cup.

[@muslimcel4581]

This time Europe won vs Africa

[@MED96147]

@@muslimcel4581 what are you talking about Argentina(America) wons a 90% African team hh

[@muslimcel4581]

@@MED96147 and most of argentina squad is european

[@naomidiamond1999]

@@MED96147 you are mentally ill its France

[@naomidiamond1999]

@@MED96147 Vargentina is most from spain and Italy

[@shedabenitha7376]

I am of Congolese decent but I grow up in Cape Town South Africa. My parents fled the war in the late 90s in Congo and fled South Africa because of the xenophobia attacks in 2009. I now live in France with my family as French citizens. The sad part is here, there is racism like everywhere but this country and it’s citizens made me and my family feel more part of the French society then when o grow up in South Africa. Unlike when I was in Cape Town, I have the same equal rights as the “real French” as you say... here we don’t look at the color of your skin to determine you nationality... that is why France is so beautiful, we are a melting pot... we are never going to deny our African roots but we are also French. You people are always the first ones to scream “fight for equality” but when there is equality you bring division. 👎🏾

[@gillescailot4666]

Je pense qu'il ne connaît pas les particularités culturelles de la France avec les deux visions qui s'y opposent : ceux qui voient la francité comme une citoyenneté accordée à tous sans distinction de couleur, de religion et d'orientation sexuelle par opposition à ceux qui la voient comme une ethnicité (qui impliquerait donc qu'il y aurait des français plus français que d'autres). Par conséquent, il n'a pas anticipé que son commentaire pouvait laisser croire qu'il soutient cette deuxième vision. Ce qui est dommage c'est qu'il se présente comme un "insider" : il est lui aussi une "person of colour" donc il a le droit de chambrer les joueurs de l'équipe de France. Sauf qu'il oublie qu'il est aussi un "outsider" qui ne connaît pas les références culturelles françaises et comment certains de ses commentaires peuvent être pris chez nous.

[@Actveable]

Thank you stranger. All together against those "funny" people and their "funny joke".

[@queenbeethatme1009]

Sheda Benitha who are "you people"?

[@Dustyone23]

Sheda Benitha cool story bro

[@ThePerpetualStudent]

Yeah, i know a lot of people that say the "melting pot" you speak of has ruined French culture forever (they are French). The only people I consider French are those who founded the country and their descendants. Here in the states we have been "forced" to call blacks African Americans. So I have extended the curiosity to call all blacks Africans no matter what country they are in.

[@chaserlite1092]

Point taken, Trevor. but do remember to congratulate Africa for winning all these Olympic medals for the USA

[@Ainokea2]

Also valid though I personally felt he addressed your point as well. Especially 4:12 and on.

[@dragonmade8243]

DealBreakerz Of course freedom goes everywhere except to USA

[@AD-jq7ow]

BURN!!! THAT SHOULD BE A TOP COMMENT!

[@AD-jq7ow]

@@Ainokea2 never heard anyone in the US say thank you Africa for our athletes.. I think that would be scandal... I'm curious to see what concervatives has to say about that

[@blupeppers6437]

African Americans are always celebrating their blackness and pointing out their black sport,science and entertainment heros

[@thomasozenda8699]

I'm french and I understand both the government and Trevor on this one. What you need to understand is that in France, we do not embrace communitarianism as well as other countries such as the US and the UK. That is why the French government reacted the way they did (that + the fact that the argument of "they are African" is always used by the racists). And, as we do not embrace communitarianism, we always refuse to identify the players by they roots. The only people that do that are the racists, that's all. You'll never hear a French speak about someone using their origin or skin color. Hence, where in the US you can refer to someone as "African American" in France you can't do that, as that would be considered rude.

[@frederikhollenner3307]

stoooooopid

[@paulh.9526]

@@frederikhollenner3307 Actually, this refusal of communitarianism comes from the Revolutionary (as in the 1789 French Revolution) idea that we are all men are equal, whereas communitarianism is seperating citizens in different categories. Some suggest that such communitarianism could be a breeding ground for terrorists, as it's easier to radicalise someone when they feel that the group they share a religion with is being mistreated.

[@rinopw4262]

@@paulh.9526 If that's so then is it wrong for Trevor to say these things, isn't communitarianism somewhat inevitable because people who have similarities tend to identify themselves together just like the gay community. No matter what racists will blame your background so isn't it just better to accept your roots and understand people can be different and differences are alright?

[@4jeffryangelus]

nuance is everything. I live in the Netherlands and there are jokes and memes going around the French football team 20 years ago (all white) and now (all black). I think the reaction of the French government was a statement based on domestic issues and hoping to gain some media attention (which Trevor provided) I see no bad guys here;)

[@Tirelalangue]

@@rinopw4262 Merci.

[@helene8854]

"why can't they be both?" I felt that. I'm a Namibian of German descent (my mother comes from a German Jewish trading family that left for Namibia about a 120 years ago and my dad comes from West-Berlin) and in my teenage years, I struggled a bit with my national identity, since I also have a German passport. Later, I came to realise that you're not one or the other, you are both. Also, I came to realise that national identities are not shared, so you're not only half German and half Namibian but you're a full German and a full Namibian. Also, to the thing about their french-africaness: When I lived in France and told them I came from Namibia (they were first like where? And then I said it's next to SA then it went ohhh, but that aside) there was always some confusion like: then why are you not black? When that came on, I just decided that I wanted nothing to do with ignorant people like that. These are probably also the people that think that Europeans are only white or that you have to look like an European to come from Europe. So, it kinda goes both ways with people from African and European descent.

[@ahossi3837]

No, it doesn't. There is a huge "colonialism - different" . Especially white ppl in Namibia or SA should know this. Pls dt fool urself.

[@helene8854]

@@ahossi3837 sorry, but I don't have anything to do anymore with the colonisers. Despite what you may think, being African is part of my identity, regardless of my heritage. I was born and raised in Namibia and don't really have much to do with German culture anymore. Sure, I speak German and I think a part of me will always be German, but I don't know and love Germany the way I know and love Namibia. Identity cannot only be reduced to genetics and origin, it is also a formed identity, and I identify as Namibian AND German.

[@ahossi3837]

@@helene8854 u wrote u dt have to do anything with the colonizer "anymore" (?) this alone say a lot... Ur heritage is social spoken (not just genetically) a white heritage, ur family had the privilege to move from Europe to Africa in an epoch full of bloody colonialism and genozides. And I m pretty sure ur family never ever served any Black family whatsoever. (rather the other way around?) who gave white ppl land etc after arriving in Namibia or SA? (rethorical question) I mean I know what u r talking about and I do understand ur feelings as an individual person. But those feelings r based on ur expierences as a white person socialized in a bloody german colony. But maybe ur family belonged at least to movements of resistance against the German colonizers and killers.

[@ahossi3837]

@@helene8854 and actually almost all white descendents in ALL colonized territories say simultaneously: "We have such a beautiful country and we love this country" . They say it way more and with deeper passion then white Europeans. I believe they feel the need and urge to convince others and themself that it's really "their" country. Regardless the indigenous people and their cost who where mostly seen and used as servant and or slaves in their own country!!

[@helene8854]

@@ahossi3837 It was supposed to mean that I am not a coloniser, and that my generation has nothing in common anymore with the generation of colonisers. That era has long since passed.

[@bbl2348]

So africa won nba ?

[@EvilDuckOfDoom3]

Lmfaoo now you see why this is wrong

[@helo2729]

Dr Squats i think 🤔

[@helo2729]

Dr Squats i'm jocking 😋

[@mclevels]

Yes you could make that joke.

[@EvilDuckOfDoom3]

Ze Be Did European-Americans win the NHL then....? kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnbLcnaDo9mngJo

[@yanns1437]

I have been watching the recent comments on this world cup from a distance and never thought I would participate in this debate. I feel obliged to say a little word because I do watch this show and have a lot of respect for Trevor Noah's work. I feel that people, including Noah, countless times refer to these players as "Africans". This is in itself either insulting, or a display of total ignorance of the fact that Africa is NOT a country. It seems like people are equating France (as a country) to Africa (as a continent). You rather speak of the players' respective nationality if you really feel obliged NOT TO say they are French. It is like saying Michel Platini is European-French (when we know his ancestors are Italian), or say Youri Djorkaeff is European-French (instead of its Russian origin). Strangely Zidane was/is never referred to as an African (but at worst as an Algerian). Hugo Lloris who was the captain of this winning team is never referred to as a European (to speak of his non-French nationality), nor even as a Spanish (his parents are Spanish), but as French. So the question is, why do this (African) origin thing only come up when the person is of a "different" skin color. Trevor, why can't they be French without necessarily being of "something" origin? I would take your "defense" seriously if you do the same work you did on "Africans" in the French team on other people who are also not "originally" from France, but who are not noticeable by their "color". We will see how that sounds... It probably won't sell!

[@lannaintajak80]

Here in Norway, if you're a successful, famous person, Norwegians will refer to you as Norwegian. EVEN if you were not born or raised in this country from the very beginning. But if you are someone who got the spotlight by something negative, they will refer to you as Norwegian WITH ethnic background. You are telling me what I've been feeling all these years.

[@jackuid4474]

Don't you worry, that's exactly how it is in most european countries.

[@lannaintajak80]

@@jackuid4474 Yeah, I guess it it.

[@RMSNOMORLIMA]

Regardless of the level of success....how much of the opportunity to be successful is owed to the country in which that successful person resides? Let's think about that for a second and then ask yourself again if it's really that strange that the country would then also claim some of the success......

[@StrayingCat]

lanna intajak But they have every right to do so. They took them in, gave them opportunities and if they succeed they are of course not going to attribute that success to the country they came from. I am a Norwegian myself and what you’re saying is just not true. How would you even say it? “Afrikansk Nordmann”? That doesn’t sound right.

[@umairabbas5918]

Sven Eylander Norway is the most racist country in the world.

[@vikash23641]

No words! He perfectly summarised and explained the issue in the best way possible 🤐🙇🌟👏 enlightened guy to the roots

[@croulantroulant3082]

yeah cause making fun of the French accent was so enlightened....He has no idea what he is talking about. And I'm a Frenchman of mixed background....France had black members of parliament in the 18th century!

[@عادل-خ5ت]

@@croulantroulant3082 take it easy French making jokes of the African accent all the time learn to not be racist and respect the others colonialism time is over

[@croulantroulant3082]

so you want respect....and call me racist? when was I racist? Let me remind you arab countries colonized too, so maybe study your own history. Also I just said I'm not white and "ethnic french". So maybe you learn to read?

[@عادل-خ5ت]

@@croulantroulant3082 first of all, I'm not calling you racist my words were to the racist french government secondly, I'm not an arab btw but it would be an honor to be one and please remind me which country arabs colonized because I think you don't even know the meaning of colonisation it's started about year 1500 following the European discoveries so remind me please and finally, for defining yourself as ethnic french well the french government has other opinion on this you either 100 percent french or leave to your mama and papa's home land

[@croulantroulant3082]

You want an exemple? Ever heard of Al-Andalus? Conquest and colonization of Spain, for 700 YEARS. Colonisation does not apply only to the Americas, where did you get that idea? Man I'm done here, educate yourself. Au revoir.

[@MissFunkyJuice]

I love Trevor but the problem here is, by saying 'you don't get this tan by hanging out in the South of France', Trevor basically said they don't have the 'right color' to be looked at as French. Whereas the other White players in the team have descents from other countries too, but no one questions their nationality. The best thing to do here is to ask the players themselves what they think. It appears they were offended by Trevor's joke.

[@somecallmeblue]

MissFunkyJuice He not saying that at all. He's saying take pride in being French but just because you're French doesn't mean you can't take pride in your ancestry roots. And there is nothing wrong with that.

[@thegremlinsmurf]

MissFunkyJuice so firstly I don't think the players are offended, their celebrations and dances are so African why would it offend them? I'm waiting for a player to come out and say they're offended. And like he pointed out, they are French and African. Nothing wrong with that

[@Sefouro]

twitter.com/benmendy23/status/1019269986282598403

[@spinner771]

MissFunkyJuice if they don't claim African they can f off

[@thebat4977]

He meant it in the sense that their blackness comes from Africa

[@robyns6343]

I was born in France, and I am from African descent (my parents were both born in Morocco). What I learnt, growing up, is how complex identity is. I guess many children in my situation experienced it : you feel torn between your parents' legacy and the own legacy you're creating, in a different country, in a different culture. Now, I thinks those two clashed not because I was surrounded by racists who pointed a gun to my head and said : choose ! But because each culture has its own system of values, thinking, etc. I wouldn't be the same if I had grown up where my parents did. It's not a judgment of value, it's just a fact : each culture has its own and particular path to reach universality. So when Trevor Noah says : "why can't they be both ?", well, first, maybe they don't want to ? Here's a reaction from a player himself after hearing about this kind of comment : postimg.cc/image/ivl8mwrst/ And, moreover, I think there's a risk to simply identity. I mean, let's listen to the players themselves : they were singing La Marseillaise spontaneously, not because they reject their origins, but because they were shaped by French culture. M'Bappé said he wanted to represent France, not because he was a narrow-minded nationalist, but maybe to show that one may come from a difficult background and still reach the very top. Maybe he wanted to show these kids who are struggling that they shouldn't resent France and isolate themselves in negativity, but embrace France, as it is a country which believes in meritocracy and where one, if he puts the effort, may succeed despite hardships. Moreover, and the point I am going to make is controversial even in France, there's this idea of "assimilation". I think that this is what the French ambassador meant when he distinguished USA and France. Being French is not a matter of race, but of culture. I guess that this is one of the reasons why a terrorist can lose his nationality : being French is more than just being born in a geographical space, being French is to share certain values, given to us thanks to history, literature, etc. To give a lighter example : when I see a black guy in the street, I don't think "my African brother !". That's simply cultural, I guess. I don't identify people based on their appearance. I won't elaborate because my message is already long enough. To put it quickly, I think that the letter Trevor Noah got from the French Ambassador is a good way to view identity as French people do (with the idea of assimilation, culture, etc). To reduce those players to a color is, to say the least, impolite, I believe. Also, about the two seconds Trevor Noah spent on colonialism : everyone knows how complicated any historical subject is, so let's not throw big words to one another. One of the reasons why I decided to not take the "double nationalities" (that is : to appear Moroccan and French on my administrative papers), is because I didn't want to carry my grandparents' possible resentment towards what France has done in the past (it was not about colonialism in my case, but about migration post-World war II). That doesn't mean I reject my grandparents, it's just that I consider it a chance to live in a country as France and to have the chance to be shaped by its culture (vive Baudelaire !). I decided that I, as an individual, had to establish my own and intimate relation with France, independently of my parents or grandparents history with the country. I know not everyone will agree, that's my choice. So I think that we may want to leave those young players alone : don't make them carry the whole world history just because they are "P.O.C" as I heard some people say. Let's not project our political views on these footbal players. They said they were proud to be French, they said they were happy to make the country proud and happy, especially in this rough context. Finally, and I promise I will shut up : you may think French are "defensive" about those kinds of comments or jokes for no reason, but we have to remember that after the horrible terrorist attacks in Paris, there was the Euro. Our French team deeply wanted to win, because they knew it would finally give us a reason to be on the streets for a happy reason, and not because of terrorists. Unfortunately, they lost. This year, they won the World cup. Trevor Noah himself says context is important : well, the context of these celebrations is that terrorist attacks tried and unfortunately still try to shadow France. This celebration of "Frenchness" is a way to show their failure. Vive la France.

[@robyns6343]

Oh, and sorry for my laborious English. I guess that's quite obvious now : I'm French... :p

[@pissoffcake]

nice. thanks for reminding us the Euro, I don't recall anyone blaming the players back then, instead we blamed Deschamps... that filthy Basque! but we love him now, we'll call him French again ^^

[@PitiFlan]

rien a dire c'etait parfais ^^ complètement d'accord

[@cuuy]

Nice comment. I think it's important that people know that the American way of thinking is not the only way, and the American way to confrot racism is not the only way either. I have the impression that many Americans believe they are the greatest country in the world and that there is less racism than in any other country. I live in Europe myself and I'm not Caucasian. When I see or read about racism in the US, I often think "damn I'm glad that doesn't happen to me, how can the Americans believe their country is less racist and better than the others?" I know that Europe and actually everywhere of the world have racial issues and I acknowledge that America has its own particular progress and success fighting against racism and for civil rights, but that doesn't mean they are better. I have the impression Trevor is saying "I'm glad to be in America, here you can celebrate duality, but in France you can only be French", that is so typical American, ignorant and arrogant.

[@robyns6343]

I completely agree : what this "controversy" reminds us is that the western world is not simply the USA. Fortunately, cultures exist and they're not abstract. They have a deep influence on people. Let's respect that.

[@Nkilldebs]

The problem of this joke and of he's explication is that he didn't get how chocking it can be. The fact is that if the french players, were only italian or romanian migrants, no one would never point this. The only thing that made people say it's Africa's victory is the black skin. This is why it is racism. You can be black, speak only french, having your roots, family friends in one city of France, never been to Africa. You'll get ask about your origin because of the color of your skin. It's been lot of years now since colonialism, we can say that black people, asian people, indian people, arab people is also the face of the France country. And it's not denying the rest, but it's the choice of the citizen to say if he feels both French and Africa, not your choice looking on his skin.

[@krzysztofcwieka7933]

Nkilldebs you're mostly right, but I must mention the Swiss football team. Many of them (don't know the exact number) are of Albanian, Kosovar or former Yugoslav descent (so the same "race") , and I've seen jokes and opinions about them similar to these about French team.

[@ethio-today105]

Be honest to urself, you see a man/woman with a black skin and would you say they're Romanian or Italian? You don't have to respond to this comment but do yourself a favor by asking a genuine question:)

[@joannvonhaff]

Exactly. That's why I think it's disappointing coming from Trevor Noah.

[@MunnodolGaming]

@Nikilldebs Running the hypothetical "what if" scenarios in order to attack an argument doesn't work because all you do is conjure up a ideal scenario then project how you think people will react onto them. And no, what made people say it was an African victory was that a lot of those players have very close ties to their African nations (and close ties to their ancestry).

[@BroJo676]

Man, colonialism has never stopped (at least, French colonialism)...

[@jakz]

"France does not refer to its citizens based on their religion" that didnt age well.

[@babsjob8729]

😂😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭😭

[@alex_vrla]

what ?

[@blueblack3591]

@@alex_vrla they forbid women from wearing headscarfs

[@hamzaakhtar9980]

Exactly. The hypocrisy of France.

[@djinnfrancois2372]

It's called secularism

[@Spaceysgurl]

He's is stating straight facts. And he's so involved in that duality it touches him.

[@NubiansNapata]

Why doesn't he call South African teams Europe??

[@LexiLSify]

why don't we ever take into account what the players involved say ? identity is a personal matter

[@D93-w5q]

answer the question. When South Africa won the rugby world cup in 2007, no one said Europe won it. There was like 24 white players and 3 black players in that rugby world cup in 2007. These players were born in France so they are French. Period. You don't like it then tough luck

[@truthseeker881]

@Leila H there is a difference between the general ethnicity 'Africans' and citizens whom hold the 'south Africa' nationality.

[@sking7219]

@Leila H But most of the players were born in France, not Africa...

[@thespacearchitect]

I'm from Germany and I know a lot of people who have parents from other parts of the world and I am pretty sure most of them would be pretty offended if I would call them African for example instead of German. Here we don't have African-Germans (like African-Americans). Here you are German PERIOD. German with African routs but German. So I completly agree with the Frensh on that. Edit: Mesut Özil (German soccer player) just released a statemant explaining why he will no longer play for the German national team and in that statement he made it verry clear that he it bothers him a lot that many people refere to him as German-Turkish instead of just German.

[@maureenbeaunol]

Percival Hans you just don't get it. It's the mentality in Europe. If you're born on France, you're French. You can have togolese or congolese background... You are French. It's the law un France. I don't get why Americans can't get that. Our country is just like that. Don't try tout explane it whith American ideologies...

[@syrianaramean1259]

Percival Hans There is a difference between nationality and ethnic background. You can be black and german, its not a race.

[@Maurazio]

the US is its own world before being a nation, they don't see outside of the US itself they just don't have that kind of perspective. it's not wrong or right just a different experience and way of seeing things

[@nolankydavongs4891]

I'm agree whith you it's juste the mentality between the Europe and America the American people don't understand us

[@brigidflynn1507]

Sebastian Faucon were you watching the video . Do you remember the last bit where he said some people can say stuff. Well judging by your picture you cant and i cant too. So of course your friends are going to be offeneded and in ireland(not a colonial power ) my friend whose family emigrated here from nigeria would be mad that you are trying to take away her nationality. She is a proud irish nigerian citizen. She is proud that her family has survived so much. But i do understand that i dont live in germany and it could be different there.

[@mimmiblu6138]

Btw what you define as African refers only to a part of Africa, the Sub-saharan one. What about Zidain Zidan? He was as African.... meaning of African descent because his parents were from Algeria... but how many people here would consider him African, since he's not black? Africa is a continent, a very diverse one, not a skin color.

[@titouanriot3663]

mimmi brontola sorry but as a fan it hurts me .. it is Zinédine Zidane ahah

[@westcoastflaneur]

lol that was funny HAHA

[@mimmiblu6138]

Titouan Riot I do apologise! My bad... I've never been very good with names. He was great anyway!

[@rhuonaChanel]

Good point

[@titouanriot3663]

mimmi brontola ahah no problem my friend that was funny

[@Pablo-b7u]

Trevor's joke would be considered racism in France. The ambassador was only defending them and in no way denying their possible dual citizenship or immigrant background. He actually even mentioned their background.

[@rh81454]

I think they're both right and it's nice to see the ambassador including them as French but let's be honest if they all played with their ancestral homelands European national teams would not be as competitive and would still get criticized as 'traitors' for not playing with euro national teams. They racially attacked them after missing penalties against Argentina. Just look at this past weekend with Saka from England, comes on as a sub to play against Iceland and all the headlines and photos of criticism were with him on it having only played 25 minutes to close out the game.. Same thing happened to him, Rashford, Sancho after they missed their penalty kicks in the 2020 Euros. Barely any mention of Kane missing the WC penalty against France to tie it up in Qatar. The African players should play with African teams to avoid the backlash. At the end of the day European national/ club teams need Africans and South Americans to win.

[@CallieMasters5000]

That ambassador has a lot of time on his hands.

[@neroonnyx3539]

Been talking to too many amerikkkans!

[@InvectivePleasure]

Callie Masters a lot of VERY FRENCH time though, nothing else :P

[@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer]

Callie Masters the current administration isn't really down with international diplomacy... you can either hang with congressman, empty champagne bottles in the toilet of Trump Hotels DC to crank up the highest possible bill or write editorial critics to people you're certain can concentrate long enough to read a page or two.

[@reginaldmustardbacon5866]

But i like how the ambassador still had time for it. As i feel like it is an issue worth discussing. Maybe not on a talk show but yknow.. context Cx

[@frinkls5347]

All Ambassadors do. Except the Chinese ones, they are too busy policing Chinese students abroad.

[@myriambedreddine88]

Your arguments seem a bit dishonest. You didn`t say France and Africa won the worldcup but Africa only! By saying this you denied them their frenchness and denied the culture of the other players which a different ethnicity. The ambassador said nowhere that they can`t celebrate their African heritage. Its true that France has been suffering for a very long time with its identify, with massive waves of immigration that started after WWII when the country was completely destroyed and needed people to rebuild it. All those people who came to France had suffered to feel integrated and all of them suffered some kind of racism at some point. Even now, after 2 even 3 generations, French people with an African ethnicity still experience racisms when renting flat or interviewing for job. But when France win the world cup, we feel a massive, overwhelming feeling of unity that made us want to praise more than ever our multiculturalism. Its was true already in 98, back then, as a 14 years old teenager with an Arab ethnicity, I never felt more integrated in my country when France won its 1st world cup. I understand Trevor`s point when he said that France only celebrate immigrants and French citizen from immigration only when something positive happen. This is unfortunately very true! But why can`t Trevor just let us celebrate and be proud of our multiculturalism without pointing negativity What disappoint me the most, is that we are telling him that his "joke" insults us, ie French people with all different ethnicities and instead of doing the most decent thing and acknowledge how he made us feel, he tried to divide us again by saying that in France you can only be French and can`t celebrate a different culture. I was a huge fan but won`t be watching him again. Principles matter to me.

[@Contevent]

As someone who was spared the turmoils of racism and of identity crisis (in term of nationality) I often found myself unable to see the problems of France in that aspect. I almost worship our motto, but I can feel the hypocrisy beneath it. I am glad that someone like you exists. It makes me feel like the battle is not lost yet.

[@myriambedreddine88]

Thank you for your kind words and to be honest, yes there is racism but France also offer great opportunities and integration. My grandfather came from Algeria to work in a factory in a small village in France. My father also worked in the same factory, but my sibling and I all went to college and have been given the opportunity to move from a working class family. I have one college degree in banking, 2 bachelor degrees (one In Economics and one in European Law) and I also have a Master degree in Finance. Cost of my education in France= 0$ !! I received a small student grant from the government, it`s was hard and Ii had to work small jobs but it help me so much. As a kid, I didn`t believe in myself and that I can become who i want to be, luckily I met fantastic teachers who always pushed me to develop my potential and to go further with my education! And yes this is also France :) !

[@joriandrake]

Trevor made a mistake, and I agree that his reaction (reading the serious letter from the Ambassador on camera in a funny-voice and doubling down on his mistake) is wrong, but he's from South Africa, a nation which is more split along racial lines than the USA is. As a Hungarian EU citizen I give my support for the French people on this matter and wrote about my personal disagreement with Trevor, but I won't stop watching his show because everyone makes mistakes, although he shouldn't have doubled down on this one. Trevor needs to be invited to France, the EU to be educated about his mistake and not be shunned or 'locked out'.

[@myriambedreddine88]

Thanks Joriandrake for adding more context and helping me to have an open mind. You make a valid point about Trevor`s background and were he comes from. I need to keep that in mind, to understand is point of view and not try to understand what he said from a French perspective.

[@joriandrake]

You're welcome.

[@avinashrulz]

They did to Zidane as well... As soon as he head butted the racist Italian in world cup final, he became an Algerian.

[@amalbentaleb7608]

Hahaha totally agree before that he was the amazing French player, suddenly after that accident he became Algerian 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@URBANJEUXGAMES]

@@amalbentaleb7608 absolutely not

[@Ema-nt3gp]

Avinash Kumar exactly. They even made a status to "celebrate" him and it was reflecting that incident. He got so mad as he should !

[@FuckOffTrends]

n'importe quoi, l'affaire du coup de boule lui a fait gagner en popularité en France

[@sps6374]

Apart from the fact that this event made him gain sympathy and support and he remained one of the most popular people in the country... I mean WTF ? We were collectively madder at Trézéguet and Materazzi than anyone ever was at Zidane. Off-field, Zidane has a quiet, reserved personality, but he's always been known to be impulsive and hot-tempered whenever a game has high stakes, and he's got quite a record when it comes to being excluded because of angry moves like the infamous Coup de boule (which was NOT his first headbutt in an international competition). But he's not unreasonable, and he's a beloved figure known for his generosity and his dedication to the game, so people assumed Materazzi had gone over the line and there was a nationwide "quest for the truth", with every possible media outlet trying to figure out what Materazzi had said to make the introverted Zidane snap. After it had been found out what Materazzi had said, Zidane was ever more relatable (it was amazing, like a total redemption, it felt like people would have given him martyr status for having been insulted), and Materazzi was Public Enemy #1. There was even a mega summer hit entitled "Coup de boule" ("Headbutt"), and youngsters danced to it all year. That doesn't strike me as the nationwide rejection you seem to imply. I don't know what meme or hashtag you guys saw online, but it was definitely not reflective of the way Zidane was perceived in the country. In 2018, he's still ranking #6 in the "most beloved celebrity in France" list, of which he's been #1 for six years, and always in the top 10 in the last 15 years... fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personnalit%C3%A9_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9e_des_Fran%C3%A7ais

[@aurelo54]

As a random french dude, I find this topic really interesting. I cannot totally side next to Trevor Noah, but I think I understand his point of view. It's interesting.

[@vicnad92]

He is looking at it from an American/British lens of what ''race'' is. To French (and Spain/Portugal) & their ex-colonies, the concept of ''race'' is seen as a construct. Funny, the Anglophone world are obsessed with race.

[@helo2729]

@@vicnad92 "races" seems to be so important in usa :/ everyday

[@vicnad92]

@@helo2729 Same with the UK and all of the British ex-colonies.

[@preciousmoletsane8845]

Which part of his argument do you disagree with?

[@aurelo54]

@@preciousmoletsane8845 Are you asking this to me ? ^^

[@Pedrolino200]

I arrived in france at 3 month old, and trevor noah just teach me that I got double culture even if I dont feel like it... Difference are in the eyes of the others.

[@booknerdjebbi5037]

As an immigrant who also migrated before I can remember, I tell you: Yes. You will never be seen as fully French, as to this day I get comments about how good my 'accent' is, after I've spent hours talking to them about how I was raised here. You do have double culture, even if you don't feel like it. I sometimes feel I'm not accepted in neither, which is much worse. But why don't you feel like it? You are effectively denying your roots now.

[@puccaland]

@@booknerdjebbi5037 so basically you are teaching him the culture he has even though you know nothing about the guy because... You ? Get over yourself and stop believing that everyone shares your experiences

[@vladimirstok149]

to be honest, i used to study in france, and i never quite liked it. it felt like most people would rather keep to themselves, and that they were rarely curious about outsiders, self-centered in a way to be concise. i also noticed that there was a certain degree of "invisible" segregation, people of immigrant descent seem to hang out with themselves, speak their own kind of variant of french, and rarely mix with the more local locals. i think that france needs to adress its culture with less neglect, it's rather schizophrenic there's more detail and development to be had here as well as some possible false observations, but it's been a while, and i don't mind forgetting a bit of my french experience, it wasn't a good one

[@puccaland]

@@vladimirstok149 There is no communitarianism in France, people don't park themselves based on their ethnicity. Nearly 30% of the mariages are mixed and that's excluding marriages between 2 French people. How does it happen if people are self centered and not curious of foreigners? The French are called coconuts, hard to get to from the outside but soft once inside. People who make the effort of cracking the shell have no difficulties making good friends. Fake bonds aren't a thing in France either. People won't treat you as a BFF while you're not even acquainted like in some societies. But once you're friends that's genuine. That's a 2 ways thing. That's not because you had difficulties making French friends that it's necessarily the fault of the French. What do you know about how the French address their culture? People of immigrant descent speak the same French as anyone else. Most French people are of immigrant descent by the way.

[@vladimirstok149]

eh maybe you're right who knows, it's been a while and i must have improved as a person since then. it wasn't a horrible place, quite in fact it has a lot of merits, the bad experience was more personal, and i don't blame the french for it.

[@abhadewan2729]

I've watched this video so many times now, basically for 2 reasons: The French accent is too bang on; and The arguments made in the end are so realistic, practical and truthful. I'm from India where the diversity is humongous and this video is relatable af

[@srikrishnajujjavarapu6355]

You are not alone 😂

[@eggizgud]

@@srikrishnajujjavarapu6355 i think it's a common issue on all countries with immigrants or a colonial past that brought them.

[@pratyushb811]

Guess now we hv our leaders acting like French govt in India

[@kimtata9675]

I'm Indian too,I live in northeast India and I feel u

[@amauritaniannomad6533]

No, he's just being philosophical and refusing to apologize. He's like forcing the palyers to be Africans.

[@john_avernia]

this is the video that made me a Trevor Noah's fan.

[@kingofknowledge2602]

he is a fuxxing genius

[@captain_inglorious]

mine too, love his morality

[@husseinmahmodi2247]

Me too

[@john_avernia]

@Jack Stapleton English is my 4th language, so I apologize if my grammar mistake made you unhappy.

[@john_avernia]

​@Jack Stapleton You seemed really angry and defensive. And whats this about "keep making a fool of myself everywhere"? That seemed oddly specific. Are you sure you're not just projecting?

[@Asano808]

Who's here after Enzo's video?

[@pablindio1]

Me, Trevor should have Enzo on the show

[@Asano808]

The whole team​@@pablindio1

[@owenadsit2035]

My girlfriend is French and believe me I've learnt that you are not allowed to make fun of the French 😂😂😂

[@techisepic3774]

Gfkphh hi hi👄

[@MrBizteck]

But France is the gift that keeps on giving. ( lived there for 7 years)

[@nosayy]

Then propose to her and when she says yes, say I WAS JOKING. 🤣🤣🤣

[@pierrealbertnoemie9799]

You are sûre she is not swiss ? French except vanessa paradis do not date english speakers including americans .

[@gbw4908]

Eh, because they surrender so fast you wouldn't have enough time to tell the joke?

[@hananea.7049]

You are right. I am Moroccan and live in Belgium. But I feel am I am Belgian and Moroccan at the same time. You have no idea how racist SOME European can be. Look at the election. It's said everything!

[@zackkaya7925]

Yes I'm kurdish and from Germany and Europe ist getting racist asf

[@efremvercaigne7265]

As a (white) Belgian, I agree. If you're useful you can stay; otherwise get out. Effing bullshit.

[@thebridge5483]

It’s getting worst bro sooner Africans have to make their way back to the continent they won’t be welcome in Europe anymore

[@vhandarsh51]

@ensayofr u have no idea, brahh

[@bruensal7182]

@ensayofr so u know the nsu in germany and the ku klux klan in america. Are u know a member of them too, just bcoz u are white?

[@TheDavestats]

Africa wins the NBA again.

[@matthiasholke6141]

dave somers - a succinct rebuttal.

[@MrIanito]

don't forget the Superbowl!

[@JaySweetZ]

Africa wins tennis Olympics

[@Michaelkaydee]

dave somers Always 😁

[@latinochurchgang69]

African American ;)

[@Zt3v3]

Man, I wish had Trevor's ability to convey an idea so eloquently. I really admire people who posses that skill.

[@garethross7756]

Said quite eloquently

[@key0512]

I am a German with immigrant parents myself. You aren't completely wrong Trevor but you aren't right either. You neglect their frenchness when you say they are african, like every right wing in Europe. Now the ambassador says they are French and France has a diverse pool of people, he kind of acknowledges their heritage. Your comeback is somehow "why can't they be both". Weird argumentation dude. In the end Trevor it's not up to you or anyone else. They are French by citizenship and it is only up to the individual to embrace their French nationality and their African heritage to whatever extend they want. Nevertheless they won as French people. The experience as an minority is different in Europe. Calling you out as a minority all the time actually divides people and boost prejudices. Pretty sure this is true in the US too. You made a joke and the ambassador shouldn't even send you a letter, yet you doubled down. Imagine the national basketball team of the US would be referred to as the African team.

[@KingDing3ling]

You can clearly see the different view American people have on Immigrants. I hope he reads your Comment because i think the problem kinda went over his head. The ambassador should have also explained the Situation like you did.

[@MunnodolGaming]

@Ariana Well, a lot of African Americans or Black Americans would acknowledge both since we are proud of our African ancestry and American nationality. Calling people out as a minority in the US depends, most black people are proud of our identiy (we had a solid 100 year movement that expressed that). Much of our anger comes from a system we believe negatively impacts us (and the occasional racial slur). But being called black doesn't bother most of us, we are proud to be. Also the basketball probs wouldnt care. at the very most you will get some (on the team) who will say it is a win (in two different ways) for America and Africa.

[@xstrawarot]

hätte es nicht besser schreiben können

[@FS-eb5ej]

100% - a bit tetchy by Trevor Noah there. Its not even a debate. France wants to try to build on multi-racial inclusion which was a huge problem when they last won the world cup - go watch the documentary 'les belus'. The letter was simply trying to criticise segregation of the French identity by colour. They want the win to bring unity.

[@angeleyesgreen1586]

Ariana I'm assuming you wrote this four mins in, cause he said they are both, not one or the other. Sorry you missed that

[@truetuesday4]

Trevor Noah is a skilled orator. He is firm and charming and persuasive.

[@kevinlawson6188]

Too bad he wasn't born here....because he should be running for president.

[@thinkingemoji5924]

Kevin Lawson Ehh, I’ve had enough of celebrity presidents

[@Lokiomin]

I love Trevor Noah and I rarely rarely comment on KZbin, but damn...this rubbed me the wrong way. I can see his rational and, as usual, his take on this discussion is very well researched. But he missed the point in a very important manner. NO ONE in France is saying some of these players AREN'T of African origin. France is a nation composed of many different cultures and ethnicities. By saying "Africa won the world cup", you reduce the idea that these people AREN'T French. In other words by trying to be witty, Trevor continues the trope that ethnicity is identity and that one can never escape their ethnic label. Its important to teach about history. But never use history and false-equivalencies to drive a wedge between the diverse people of a country. This plays straight into the hands of nationalists and identity politics. It's part of what is dragging down this country, and should never be presented as a truth.

[@mumumba]

Who is saying this? Because the French ambassador did not say this, it is Traver that is putting words into ambassador's mouth. Also nobody is offended by some French players being of African descent, everyone knows what their descent is and nobody is trying to take that away from them. But what ever their etnicity may be their nationality is French and that is why they are playing for the French national team.

[@Lokiomin]

Emma, I will have to disagree, no one is asking them to erase their African background. The opposite is being highlighted. The point of the French's argument is that France is a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural nation. Saying the cup belongs to a "race" is to say that ethnicities are distinct from one another which is simply untrue. Trevor Noah is trying to make a cheap joke about the origin of the French team in saying that they are African before French. The opposite is true. A nationality will always supersede an ethnicity. The ambassador is right to point this sort of incorrect thinking, as it is this mindset that creates divisions from unity. The multi-ethnicity of the French team should be celebrated instead of being a crude joke.

[@ruiveiga8380]

Fully agree.

[@justmathsbymike]

This man is very intelligent. I like the way he handled that criticism.

[@Unborn-Stillborn]

You're easily pleased ...

[@BaSsGaZ]

@@Unborn-Stillborn So you've tried?

[@Unborn-Stillborn]

@@BaSsGaZ would help if you made sense or even finished one sentence.

[@aimajica]

The problem of Trevor Noah is that he is unable to understand the Universalism of the French point of view, since everything is about race - or origin - for him and the country he emigrated to. In America, except if you are white, you're not just "American", but "African-American" (even if you don't know a single thing about Africa), "Native American", "Hispanic American", "Mexican American", "Asian American", etc. *Even though, I think that it would be pretty offensive, even in the United States, to qualify a black American as "African" as if he was not a true American, or a victory of the US Basket Ball team at the Olympics as a "victory for Africa"...* In the same way, it's quite strange for me when I hear an American on TV saying that he is "Irish" or "Italian" in spite of the fact that his ancestors have been living in America for generations, and that he doesn't have a clue about actual Ireland or Italy. From afar, it does seem that one specificity of American society is the natural ability to divide itself into racial groups which co-exist mainly separately. France's approach is different. Not best, different. It's the approach of an old nation with a strong and unique culture. It may be utopian, but it doesn't officially recognize "races" (racial statistics are forbidden for example), "we're all the same humans", and in order to live together it tries to gather French people of all origins or skin tones around the same culture and set of values. It wants to mold one people, the French people, regardless of races or origins. France has its issues and is not always successful in its endeavor, but when you see the diverse but unified crowd in the Champs-Elysées two days ago, crying of joy and singing La Marseillaise together, it gives some hope, it can be beautiful. France is a multi-racial country (for longer than people often imagine) but it tries not to become too much a multi-cultural one. Something that is very difficult to understand for a lot of Americans, thinking that there is only one way, their way.

[@talvaradot]

Please refer to Todorov's book 'Nous et les autres. La réflexion française sur la diversité humaine' pour avoir une idée plus élargie of french universalism

[@DvanderPluijm]

I also don't get why Americans refer to themselves as Irish or Italian or African if they were born in the US, raised in the US, the same as their parents, and their grandparents, and their great-grandparents... That means you're AMERICAN, not Irish or Italian or Greek or African. Never got that, never will, because to me it seems like some of these groups are behaving like a parody of the very people in the country they claim to have ties with. They do stereotypical things that have nothing to do with the true culture of a country and then claim they are celebrating that country's culture. No, you're not, you're making a mockery of it and you don't understand what it's like to really live in that country. You're an American. Embrace that. Accept that. Celebrate that. And maybe then you'll get that feeling of togetherness you've been trying to capture for so long.

[@Milothatch17]

Thank you Aimajica, it was beautifully put.

[@talvaradot]

It is necessary to have been fed in two cultures to understand it...

[@trillian6541]

yeah. I agree. During that whole clip I just kept thinking: This is just one big misunderstanding of each other's concepts of being "French" or "German" or "American" etc. I think in Europe these are primarily used to describe CITIZENSHIP. That's why his joke sounded a lot like those racist ppl who - because of skin colour or immigrant background - don't accept these players (or other immigrants or their children) as french citizens or fully belonging to France. That comes across as: however hard you fight, or even if you are born in that country -- however much you yourself think of yourself as a french citizen -- there are always still people who want to deny you that "frenchness", because of skin colour or ethnic background or cultural background and want to tell you that you don't belong. That's the ongoing discussion. THAT'S the context. He may not understand it, because the context and the wording is different for the US (or South Africa). There you get all these communities and the discussion is about including those communities and having them as equal. That is not the context for why his joke was received so badly. And now he is just insisting on staying within the context he is in, while talking about the importance of context :P His point about being able to be "both" is a good point and it is important. But not the discussion that is being had here right now, I'd say =) The ideal is that all citizens are French, German, Italian, Dutch, ... no matter their descent. They share some values that are maybe reflected by e.g. the constitution (just as a more tangible example) and the rest may be very relevant to you as an individual but not to society from a more collective point of view. That is the context for the WC, because that's its main idea: ppl playing for 'their' country - which they are citizens of.

[@ryankaluma5649]

Being French and African i can firmly assert that no lie was detected . The accuracy is crazy from start to finish and I love how articulate he is! Keep it up Trevor

[@bilzy7727]

Copied comment

[@fenecofeneco19]

being articulate doesn't make you right or educated just more easly being believed

[@sarahv363]

N'importe quoi il n'a pas raison, moi même j'ai des origine algérienne bah je suis française d'origine algérienne, c'est un fait je suis née en France mais j'ai des origine. Personne ne demande de choisir faut arrêter de jouer les victime.

[@pmurrTEST]

@@sarahv363 Et les comments de l'ambassador? Il a raison? Des hyphens n'existe pas? Il faut choisir?

[@sarahv363]

@@pmurrTEST j'ai pas compris ton message, mais non c'est dla couille y a personne qui t'oblige à choisir.

[@1emti1]

This is purely a difference in opinion held by two sides. Most likely, in Trevor's culture point of view, in America, people celebrate their diversity, you can call somebody African American - Chinese American - Italian American - Native American - and so on...and it's embracing their "roots"/descent and their American citizenship. And as somebody with that point of view, even though he's not french, but when he sees somebody with "roots"/descent of Africa, he felt kinship and so he say that africa won. Maybe the slightly correct sentence, technically, should be "it's the win of africans descent in the world cup" - because there's also non africans race in the french national team. But saying Africa is the winner is wrong, because all those people are of French Citizenship, hence the country that wins the world cup is France, not Africa. You should try to understand the culture point of view from some of the comments and reply made here from the French people of African descent, and try to understand, instead of just saying that their comments and point of view is wrong. Why? Because they're the ones who lives there and have the citizenships of france, while some of you who only pointing out that is wrong, merely pushing your opinion and culture of what you think is right, based on your life living in US / any other country - in short you're only judging them. Some of the french africans descent said, it's considered rude or racisty to bring up his/her race roots in france, because it would seem like he/she is not french. Hence the terms of african french, chinese french, etc - is commonly used by racist people in france. This is where the blurry part is, because from Trevor point of view, saying African American, is okay, it's a celebration of their duality, whilst for the French, saying African American is racist, because it's saying that they're less American than...well, a white American. And if we debate about it, it's purely a subjective debate. That is why, it is important to hear what the french themselves feel about it. I can relate because it's A BIT similar from where I come from, Indonesia. The bottom line is, the french government is making too big of a fuss, mailing an official statement to one guy of african roots due to his joke/remark. And Trevor is also too much to wanted to get back to the french govt, by relaying his personal opinion to them in a public media, which is that of a national television. Then come, WE, as the nosy internet users who want to say something about this, are flooding the comment section :)

[@shaynadonovan7684]

That's because at that time , way before their win , many comments were mocking the players , questionning their legitimacy as french player (twitter, comments on youtube) . As a french with immigrant background I'm actually glad the ambassador did something

[@1emti1]

@@shaynadonovan7684 Thanks for sharing, this is exactly what people need to be aware, racism will still be there for people with immigrant background anywhere (minority vs majority) the point is that those players are of french citizenship, their citizenship has nothing to do with their ethnicity. What the french govt (and many other country elsewhere) need to do is to ensure that they are supporting their own citizen from immigrant background as well. imagine this, instead of sending 1 letter to an individual just to clarify about their statements (where many people are actually saying or thinking the same thing), why not make that letter into a national statement "we are happy for our citizens to win the championship, no matter what is your ethnicity and race background, we are one and united as a nation, as a french people", then do the same thing when their team lose, make a statement that encourage and acknowledge their effort (unless they played really bad without effort) as a your citizen. based on internet search, there're only 5 known race in this world (there's no such thing as a french race) : - Caucasoid race -> it's the white people - Negroid race. -> it's the black people - Capoid race. (i don't know that the f*** is this one, too lazy to read the description) - Mongoloid race. -> it's the asian people - Australoid race. -> aborigine & papuan people by end of the day, this talk happens because the conclusion i said in my comment above : Trevor said a remark in his kinship as a Negroid Race, whilst the french govt took offense since they felt Trevor's comment insinuating that these people are not French, but Africans instead. Then we as internet user adding comments from our social point of view about racism and social things that happens in our daily life. another example, in general we associate the real citizen of a country based on the majority, so when we said somebody is french/ americans/ irish/ british, we will link their citizenship with the dominant race, in this case the Caucasoid (caucassian / white people), where we forgot that there is also a negroid (black people) / mongoloid (asian) / australoid (aborigine&papuan) people who are also of french/americans/irish/british citizens. And generally nowadays, when people ask where does white people (caucasoid/caucassian) comes from? they will say US / UK / Europe. But for the sake of arguments, let's just say that they come from UK (since lot's of colonialization back then). So if an australian team, with mostly white people as their players won the world cup (regardless of their ethnicity/culture/immigrant background - might be irish, italian, french, british, american, germans, etc), then due to kinship of being white (caucasoid), could one say "it's an England win!"? so hopefully, everyone could be a better person and treat our fellow countryman equally no matter what their background / race / ethnicity is

[@yorunoxx4788]

@@1emti1 u are totally right, he didnt realize that his joke was considered as a racist one in france. This is more like a big quiproquo. However, the french accent might have been to much. I perceive it as discrediting french people throught their accent which is ridiculous, especially when he has arguments

[@sugoiheart]

it’s just a misunderstanding - France is trying to validate the players as French and Trevor is trying to celebrate the players’ roots. Neither side is wrong! Both ideas should go hand in hand for a better world

[@seokmin3292]

In my opinion they’re both wrong. Noah was clearly hoping for such a response, he was egging them on and knew the answer would be so. Ambassador is also wrong for taking the bait and getting so noticeably offended

[@finnibat]

I don't think so. Many of the players emphasized that they feel "French" in interviews after the win. It's really weird that Trevor ascribes them a identity ("African") because of the color of their skin and there parent's heritage, that they not even subscribe to themselves. Where is the difference to right-wing-idiots saying: "Your black, so you're not French, but African!"?

[@sugoiheart]

@@finnibat and that’s fine, if the players want to be only identified as French. But if they’d like to connect with their roots and ancestries who are we to stop them? why must we put people in boxes and label them?

[@finnibat]

@@sugoiheart Ähm yes, this is exactly my argument. If they don't call themselves "african", not even when explicitly asked in interviews, who are you, who is Trevor, to assign them this label?

[@abdelrahman6536]

The French side is wrong bc if the same African players did something wrong they would call them African instead of French

[@LaPlus-Value]

Dont try to turn around the situation by saying that the ambassador denies the origins of the players, he even says that having different cultures makes the strength of France.

[@SweetHeart-oh5dr]

Then why can't they celebrate their other cultures the hell? They must celebrate as French and can't as their other culture that so called makes French so diverse

[@spiffygonzales5899]

Sweet Heart Since when TF is France going door to door forcing people to only do french shit? Dumbass.

[@spiffygonzales5899]

MOI I disagree with him on that point.

[@Boosted_Dwight]

It's a joke...

[@alejandrotuazon4831]

Spiffy Gonzales The French Ambassador said they are only french and then lists how french they are. Other french commenters are even saying here that in France it is illegal to practice your non frenchness in public.

[@7Purple0613]

Puerto Ricans are Americans. I think this is a very important issue because a lot of people don’t view them as US citizens.

[@edgarallenhoe3518]

Michelle D Yeah, that was a bad example.

[@natashao3728]

They are, but I think he meant it more in the way of identity and culture. The ones that celebrate Saint Patrick day are the descendants of the Irish that came years ago (mostly) and formed the big community that it is now in the U.S (what I’m trying to say is that many of them are Americans). Maybe he meant it that way?

[@Bahiyyudin]

Via the same colonialism that the African that can't be because he's French. Also, most Puerto Ricans are African too. IJS

[@Salchipapafied]

Puerto Rico is a US territory, but Puerto Ricans, while technically citizens, are still deprived of many rights that citizens in the mainland US get to enjoy (they can't vote for president, for example). So yeah, there's still a pretty big difference, not to mention the issues of identity and culture that Nat brought up.

[@ayjaybay93]

Puerto Ricans are US citizens, but they do have a very unique culture different from the United States’ mainstream culture which is what I think Trevor was referring to. Puerto Rico would still have their unique culture even if the US had never claimed it as a territory. It’s why Puerto Rican Day is celebrated all over the mainland by people of Puerto Rican descent, and there’s a concept of a person being of Puerto Rican descent or descent of any of the other US territories. The same concept doesn’t apply for US states. They are Americans with their own unique culture independent of America.

[@starbrand3726]

Once again Trevor proves why he belongs in that chair. Well spoken my brother, now I'm gonna go get me some Freedom Fries.

[@MyHelpWanted]

Star Brand he literally never said anything funny. I think the rating proovd this.

[@keeyz9056]

He's great mind

[@Wthele]

@@MyHelpWanted Hater he's speaking facts bruh

[@misainsider]

😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@starbrand3726]

@@MyHelpWanted I never said or implied that Trevor said anything funny. When I said that Trevor deserves to be in that chair, it was actually because of his intelligence. To be on The Daily Show requires more than just humor. You need a sharp mind, quick wit, and your finger on the pulse of the world. Yes, you are right, Trevor didn't say anything funny, because... he didn't need to.

[@erickiuvu8602]

The world will surely miss your insight Trevor

[@Maro-servant-of-god]

Why? Is Macghon going to assassinate him?

[@DerekDerekDerekDerekDerekDerek]

Nah

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

People still remember Stewart. This guy will be forgotten in 3 years.

[@j-hp2449]

The thing is that, In his initial joke Trevor didn't say that the team was "French-African" or "African-French", he said that Africa won the world cup. I'm of African descent and I'm proud of my origins, and I'm indeed both French and African and I recognise myself in these players, but I was raised in France, and whether it's Trevor saying I'm not French to hype up Africa, or a racist from an Alt-right party, they're both denying me the right to call myself French.

[@masterrance]

J-H P Trevor never said you weren’t French. Being one doesn’t exclude the other. Trevor is not denying your rights.

[@scytheripper3738]

He was also joking.

[@747nemesis]

He made a joke. If he was straight up talking facts, why would we watch him?

[@rouskeycarpel8652]

J-H P Trevor said in a happy tone that africa won the world cup since 14 of the 23 french players are african.He wasn't upset at that fact like racist french people.Trevor wasn't saying these guys are less french citizens because they're ethnically african;he was simply saying that they're french citizens who are ethnically african.

[@BeautyInYOU583]

J-H P it really doesn't matter what people think. If someone who feels being French ain't shit when your African its their issues but don't let it be a reason you cant claim your African / French culture. Its the insecurity in you that makes it a problem. I'm African but I am also american which is the same as you being African French and I would never be upset with someone calling African although I'm in America.

[@metalwarrior7679]

I love Trevor Noah but to be honest it is not an original joke. As a French person I've heard that joke so many times coming from far right activists. And that is the reason why this "joke" became so controversial. We usually insist on the fact that they are French over African not because we do not recognize their African origins but mostly because they play for France and not for Africa.

[@aspenanderson2290]

This has even more nuance than Trevor is giving it credit for. I taught college-level history classes for many years and taught many students about the negative effects of colonialism. Trevor is still creating his arguments and justifications from a viewpoint informed by both the culture of Apartheid and the culture of American race relations. The very fact that people of African descent are allowed to become "French" means that race relations and the colonial structure developed differently than either South African or American colonialism. Irish people were allowed to assimmilate and "become" American (more easily on the West Coast where they could assert their whiteness over the Chinese). Native Americans were believed to be able to assimmilate into white culture. Blacks were not. Their blackness excluded them from the chance to assimmilate, and so in America (and similarly in South Africa between the different racial groups) the desire to cling to the African identity is much more strong than, say the Irish desire to cling to their heritage (getting wasted once a year is not exactly a resounding signal you are proud of your heritage). The strength of this desire to find historical identity and pride is informing Trevor's argument, but the Ambassador is 100% right. The constant focus and desire to create hyphenations for people based on their skin color or ancestral heritage is a double-edged sword. While it can create a sense of identity, it also creates opportunity for divide, and it is human nature to turn against the Other. Trevor is insisting that it is necessary to have those hyphenations in order to maintain that historical identity, and that is absolutely not true. The hyphenation does not define how you identify with your historical culture, the way you honor it does. And many people who leave their ancestral homes are eager to adopt their new home as their identity, and God knows I would be, too. The fact that France allows this to happen regardless of where you come from is a distinctly different dynamic and a much healthier one than what the U.S. allows. Trevor says he can accept criticism but he is doing Olympic-level mental gymnastics to discount this extremely valid opinion he received. The Ambassador was 100% right that Trevor is reinforcing the underpinning nuances that keep race relations tense in this country.

[@TheLastInferno]

Aspen Anderson I did not take into consideration the crucial difference in how race relations evolved over time in regards to America and South Africa versus France which has me now scrutinizing Trevor's point in how he appreciated the US's claim to having her people keep the identity of the old as they mix with their new society. Since race relations developed differently, while the US may see it as a positive, that doesn't mean that the French have to see it as a positive as well. Instesd they see the dominance of French identity as a positive for beetter societal cohesion. But, by the same token, it would be wrong to call the ambassador 100% right. We have established that both countries see different opposite viewpoints as positive, and this is due to, as you said, how race relations evolved over time in both countries. Meaning, that most people in the US do agree with Trevor that they appreciate the hyphenated identity and most French people agree with the ambassador that they like the one homogeneous identity. Therefore, does it not come to personal preference? Of course, there are positions and negatives to both claims (i.e. you have called Trevor's POV a double edged sword and given reasons) however it comes down to what empowers the people and, as such, mindset matters. Personally, I agree with either but give more weight to the hyphenated identity. And not to blindside too much, but religion is also part of identity. So, I believe that the double edged sword of the hyphenated identity can be remeidied if all those identities become of one religion. When there is one religion, they will all be called by that religion and as such have the same identity and as such be united. Meanwhile, their national identities will take a backseat as a source of appreciation. At least, that is what I believe a utopia looks like where identity politics will lose all toxicity.

[@VardhanShrivastava]

Taking in the people on what they do (climb up save a kid) and not where they have come from, merit over lineage any 'meritorious institution' would want its subjects to have certain traits and follow certain rules, decorum if you may call it, as assimilating to the ethos of the institutions, keep your identity no problem with it, honor it cherish it, but be clear stern and singular of who you are at this very moment. I guess this is what an being a French citizen means, idealistically. Any thoughts?

[@Wednesdaywoe1975]

So it takes an advanced degree to tell a man whose existence was a crime under Apartheid that clinging to his Africaness contributes to racism. Good to know.

[@emorell96]

@@Wednesdaywoe1975 Not clinging... Adding the hyphen does when its not by your choice but by society's choice. For example as a Latino in the US, I will never be seen as American, I will always be "Mexican-American" putting me in a box I might not want to portray. In France, the idea, is that you choose that box if you want, but the society won't differentiate you from "French" just because your skin is darker.

[@realisticfantasy7092]

They're Africans and proud to be AFRICANS, with French citizenships.

[@fredrik4527]

Im a swede. If you live here in sweden and if you pay taxes, you are a swede. Thats how it works for me.

[@vincentlamarque5777]

I love Trevor but he's so wrong here... I get some of his arguments, but stating that french integration system is bad... What he suggests is just fuel for extremists. I mean, if you can identify someone as an african french, then you can make specific laws for or against that group. I know it's is the way americans are using but it goes against the N°1 rule of french constitution : "La France est une République indivisible, laïque, démocratique et sociale. Elle assure l'égalité devant la loi de tous les citoyens sans distinction d'origine, de race ou de religion..." "France is an undivided, laic, democratic and social republic. It assures equal law treatement for every citizen without any distinction of ORIGIN, RACE or religion." No distinction means that no matter what, we are, or at least should be, stricly equal. France integrates various cultures very well. It is very rich in that regards. But you can't just say african french, or black french. I just goes against what precisely make people french.

[@allaoui38]

there is no integration to the French, it is a hypcrisie.

[@kevin-munch]

wopp go out and see the rest of the world, then you'll change your words.

[@rgjerde53]

Hey, what can I say -- we are just different here in America. Everyone has a hyphenated background, even the original "Native-Americans". At the end of the day though, we are all just Americans -- who can all still be proud of our ethnic heritage (Go Norge!). Unfortunately, we still have some Racist-Americans too. So at the moment I won't say we are better -- just different. Although I wish all the Racist-Americans would "go back to where they came from."

[@milkycloud.]

HE BECOMES SO MUCH SEXIER WHEN HE SPEAKS IN A SERIOUS TONE. I LOVE THIS MAN.

[@ILoveYou-bv7mf]

Same 😍

[@user-nj1zu2nf1x]

Why do you have to objectify him like that?! 😭You women are terrible

[@m.h2247]

Craig M your comment was justified, but the phrase “you women” shows a little misogynistic generalisation, no 🤔 if a woman said “you men”, people in the comments would be jumping everywhere claiming “not all men”. Just say “don’t sexualise him” 😊

[@boatymcboatface4120]

He's always sexy

[@user-nj1zu2nf1x]

@@m.h2247 I wish you women, gay men, and bi individuals would stop objectifying him.... :)

[@anuragdattaroy7893]

What Trevor misses is France has a different concept of secularism to much of the Western world. That needs to be taken into account.

[@ryanhuntrajput474]

Yeah national identity before racial or ethnic identity and it,s better then being placed in to categories like americans.

[@AllHope23]

@@ryanhuntrajput474 yet allows dual nationality

[@andreilukyanov4286]

@@ryanhuntrajput474 it's a LIES! Your national identity is places before ethnic or racial OFFICIALLY. In reality regular everyday French people do not percieve you as French if you speak with a foreign accent, being born out of France or not White.

[@AsiaMinor12]

France has very similar concepts of economic colonialism though!

[@Alohajeje]

Hi, I'm french, and I would like to give you some context. This situation is actually a big problem in France, where the far right is having more and more pull in how France works. So calling them an African team just because they are black, that is what is perceived as racist, it is even an argument used by Italy to insult those players. The issue here is not denying their African origins, the issue is because their parents are African they have no place in France. That is what was perceived, not just by what you said, but all the ultra soccer fans who were disappointed to lose used this as an insult. That is all. It's just wrapped in big words, but that's the gist of it. =)

[@Kindness8419]

You are right. Good comment. Thanks

[@juhoi1]

Trevor addresses that idea and responds to it. Maybe you should hear him out before commenting?

[@Alohajeje]

juhoi1 I did hear him out, I watched the whole video before posting my comment. He does indeed address this situation of extreme racism in France. For a few seconds. And my comment's purpose was not to invalidate Trevor Noah's opinion, but to share the mindset of french people. He says those players should be proud of their African heritage, and sure they should be, but in France where "go back to Africa" is a often used occurrence, you can understand why it was wrongly perceived. Telling someone who is French, who has french nationality that he is African just because he (or she) is black is an insult in France. Even if they are proud to have an African culture from whatever country their parents where from, it is a basic truth. From the kindergarten or even before that, it is used as an insult. And Trevor Noah is not French, he is South African living in the USA. He can read about it but he's not living the situation. He's probably faced racism in his life of course, I don't deny that. So just by joking that Africa won the World Cup, he participated unwillingly and unknowingly in insulting those players, and France. So a response from the ambassador, while a little extreme since it is only just football after all, is pretty logical.

[@auntisthenes2754]

You mean well, but you talk out of your ass almost as much as Trevor. He knows from Switzerland (fucking xenophophobs) and you know from wherever hell you come from. I'm 40 and it was already a loser move when I grew up to tell people to go back where they came from. Now our extreme right has been for years at 20-25% tops, but it is just Trump-like Republican and rather less silly than the TEa- Party

[@Alohajeje]

Aunt Isthenes I don't understand your comment. I never said it was ok to tell people to go back to where they came from, I am disagreeing with Trevor Noah and his opinion. Why bring up Trump? that is not the issue here. Your comment is way off topic. Also, I didn't use insults in my comments, so don't say I'm talking out of my ass. You don't know me enough to talk to me like that. Be respectful if you want to be taken seriously.

[@7thquark309]

Trevor, that's a sharp analysis. However, as you said the context is key: this joke had already been used several times by right extremists, to criticize the number of African immigrants in the country. And it's important that we don't let this joke pass or get normalized, hence the (bit excessive) reaction of the ambassador, which clearly doesn't know you and took it 1st degree.

[@africanlogic757]

Racist white.

[@Nyroki]

@@africanlogic757 Racists exists in every color my friend because I often saw racism in black communities just not towards white people but for example toward arabs or chinese people. Oh maybe we should talk about the homophic culture black communitites have ? What I mean is that racists comes in every color

[@RandomSwiftie13]

Well that's way he was trying to make it a positive. they can be proud French citizens and also be proud of there roots of where they came from at the same time.

[@flyingstonemon3564]

@@RandomSwiftie13 No one said otherwise but often people find It offensive to be called by their roots on origins rather than the french nationality so this didn't pass at all for most

[@justimani4]

@@flyingstonemon3564learn to appreciate ur roots why should you get offended like bitch that's where u came from sooo....

i love how he discusses with actual intellect

[@basketmann23]

He Doesn t. He s not debating, he is playing. Saying "African team" Doesn t mean the same as "multi origins French team". "African team" sounds racist weather you like it or not, at least for French citizens. Plus, we can have several nationalities :) I am French and Cypriot, and Greek. I love humor though, he just should have said that it was humor and that if he was believing this, he would not have found it funny and would not have said it :) he is not debating.

[@CookieJar2025]

@@basketmann23 the commenter said "discussing" not "debating" but that's ok

[@basketmann23]

@@CookieJar2025 hahaha. You know I am French and I know better the definition of the word "discuss" than you? I hope you re not from an English speaking country. Here it is: "verb (used with object) to consider or examine by argument, comment, etc.; talk over or write about, especially to explore solutions; debate:" But that's ok.

[@CookieJar2025]

@@basketmann23 jeez you didn't have to do that. I said "but that's ok" because I just wanted to let you know about something but not to debate over it. I'm not replying to this thank you very much

[@basketmann23]

@@CookieJar2025 don t say something wrong than????? Maybe stick to playing geometry dash :)

[@sihaam..]

This is a masterpiece. U nailed it . Every world cup we remember this episode..

[@muslimcel4581]

Europe vs Africa in worldcup 2018=Africa won😁 2022=Europe won😁

[@Seopy]

​@@muslimcel4581 Argentina is in Europe? Thought it was South America no?

[@mint8648]

@@Seopymajority players have european descent. therefore, europe won

[@vijaydanushkodi4980]

@@mint8648 Argentina= Little Italy.

[@mint8648]

@@vijaydanushkodi4980 thats right italy actually won 5 world cups and africa won 1

[@wsgsantos]

In Brazil if a black descent guy scores or achieve a higher standard he is Brazilian. If he looses or commit a mistake he is Black. I got the point of Trevor Noah, because maybe in France the race and origins are brought to assess social behavior or problems, but they are forgotten in cases like to win the Word FIFA Cup.

[@GastNdorf]

His behavior just encourages it.

[@wsgsantos]

What is your suggestion?

[@ricardol8953]

I'm Brazilian and in my experience that's just not true.

[@wsgsantos]

Are you sure? See the videos related to Fernandinho, the soccer player. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZmylGilirhkkNU kzbin.info/www/bejne/boG2iIN9gryhatE esporte.band.uol.com.br/showdoesporte/videos/16469342/e-cultural-diz-denilson-sobre-racismo-contra-fernandinho.html

[@paulobelem1468]

- wellington galvao It's like the case of Fernandinho, when he committed the goal against his own team in that game Brazil and Belgium, some brazilians said racist words in his instagram, when he fails, some people attacks his color, if he wons everybody loves him and this is really sad. It's interesting because all the brazilian players was born in Brazil and they suffer because their color, it is not a question of origin, because they're brazilians since many generations, it's a case of color, that comes since slavery. I say this because the descendents of italians, portugueses and even the lebaneses are not suffering any racism or xenophobia and they have also the citizenship and they're pround of this. It's a thing that reflects in the skin's color, in the brazilian case because of the past, because of the slave origins and this is really sad in a country like Brazil that was made by natives' genocide and slavery.

[@rasoulsharif]

Impressive monologue!!! I wish i had his eloquency 😌

[@joshuawarrenyeah3705]

rash Just act like a homosexual that hates anyone that disagrees with you. Lol

[@kicocol]

It is a talent: read about Communication talent theme by Gallup.

[@zakwanfahmi77]

Congratulations Trevor for being elected as US President! (2030)

[@ayyu4967]

Good to know, humble being from the future.

[@akashpandya6718]

He can never be president of USA. He is not born in USA

[@rurfs5547]

Congrats on knocking out a sitting president during a midterm election Trevor

[@thexamlop]

You mean press secretary for President Jon Stewart

[@Anonymous-mt8ss]

@@akashpandya6718 that's why it's 2030, by then that requirement will be abolished

[@linorosavoigtlander3507]

6:53 "We live in a world, where nuance is something that is in short supply." What a beautiful sentence