Trial of the Centuries: Did Jesus Exist?

[@Steve99jp66]

"There are way too many historical sources to say that Jesus did not exist." Earliest reference is attributed to Josephus (93ad). Only problem is that the oldest copy we have is from the 11th century and came from the church. The passage in question is generally believed to have been added by early church monks who copied the book down through the generations, a common practice, one even encouraged by popes.

[@Steve99jp66]

"There are way too many historical sources to say that Jesus did not exist." More on the Josephus quote. Other Jewish writers often commented on Josephus's writings, but not until the 4th century do any of them mention his passage about Jesus. That suggests strongly that original and early copies did not mention Jesus, but that somewhere in the 4th century someone (a monk) added the reference to Jesus when transcribing. From then on, people said Josephus gave an account of Jesus. Hogwash.

[@Steve99jp66]

"There are way too many historical sources to say that Jesus did not exist." Not true. There are no CONTEMPORARY accounts of him, everything is after the fact. Odd for a man who performed miracles in front of thousands. We have plenty of records from that time; Jewish, Roman and Greek. No one from THAT TIME ever mentions him. Coincidence? I think not.

[@Steve99jp66]

"there are too many things in this world that science can not explain. God exists because he defies logic and reason." I see, so because there are things science has yet to understand it makes more sense to believe in MAGIC? That's a primitive way of thinking. Science is still young and the universe is vast; there will always be things science has yet to understand. But knowledge moves forward, as opposed to dogma which forever keeps its eyes shut.

[@paxpacis2]

Anyway if Jesus didn't exist, who was the one who "invented" the Jesus. His apostles? Paulus? They definetely existed you can't disprove that. There is enough proof of christian pursuit in history. The evangelists? (Which were much more than only 4) It is nonsense to assume Jesus didn't exist. His doing has still huge impacts on our life.

[@dex1391]

@TomRaphaelWolf You seriously need to do some reading on the subject. There are no loopholes. There is more info on Christ than almost anyone in his time period. He has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[@Steve99jp66]

"magic...yeah right. can magic perform miracles?" Um...That's what I meant by magic! Duh... "and young science...are you kidding me???....science is as old as the moon." Science, as a systematic and objective system for understanding the natural world, is only a few hundred years old. It is RELIGION which is ancient, and has outmoded ways of explaining the universe

[@dex1391]

@TomRaphaelWolf Jesus as a living breathing human has been proven. No... the miracles attributed to Him has not. There is a big difference.

[@ShinWR1]

what the hell man what about Harry Potter so many many books and movies he gotta be real. LOL and Santa Clause too.. well can't forget the mighty Yoda and Master Chef.

[@dex1391]

@TomRaphaelWolf