Road Rage, this is how John "Shrek" McPhee would handle it.

[@divereric]

I've noticed that since I've started carrying, nothing negative comes from my car or me. If someone cuts me off there is no flipping them off, if someone flips me off, there is no return gesture. I'm protecting myself but at the same time I'm protecting the other person.

[@justinkassel4000]

Since I started carrying, I walk away from conflicts now. I know where it could be taken. And I don’t want it go there.

[@jr1001jr]

Same here... I intentionally let a guy off the hook. The guy had road rage. I was carrying. The guy became violently confrontational. I purposefully tried to prevent/diffuse the conflict. Use restraint, when possible.

[@divereric]

@@jr1001jr @justin Kassel exactly. A perfect example is where I live. Jupiter Florida. There’s no protests. There’s no one assaulting anyone because of their political preference. Why? Because everyone is carrying.

[@divereric]

@@justinkassel4000 exactly. A perfect example is where I live. Jupiter Florida. There’s no protests. There’s no one assaulting anyone because of their political preference. Why? Because everyone is carrying.

[@jr1001jr]

@@divereric I live in Georgia... we don't play around. Castle Doctrine + House/State Bill 308 + Self Defense = bad day for Bad Guys However, because many of us are good GOD-fearing people, we intentionally err on the side of caution & use restraint when violent idiots act recklessly. 🤷‍♂️

[@daleschmidt7157]

I was in a similiar situation but not with one evil man but with five. I got away from the initial attack and drove like hell to get away. They followed me. I drove 80mph thru a small town with a 40 mph speed zone hoping to get the attention of the local Constable. It did not happen. I finally got home and circled my home three times honking each time I past my home. When I stopped. my Dad was waiting and the two of us were able to take on the five thugs. He was a WWII Combat Veteran and I was a Vietnam Combat Veteran. We stopped them without hurting them too much and held them until the LEOs arrived. Long story short, they served some time in Jail and never bothered me or my girlfriend again. I loved fighting a good fight with my Dad. This was in 1968.

[@atypical_moto]

You're misremembering old timer. That was an episode of the Dukes of Hazard.

[@tommyodonovan3883]

@@atypical_moto My father taught me how to elbow smash someone in the face, hyper extend Knees/Elbows, various choke holds... when I was 10. "Just a good old boys never meaning no harm....Beat all you never saw...." Always remains calm, and relaxed, proper position/Stance, speed and Accuracy are the keys to victory.

[@tommyodonovan3883]

Fear and anger are the mind killers.

[@CelticGermanicTxWarrior77]

Awesome story

[@NotGonnaTel]

@@tommyodonovan3883 great job!

[@letsgobrandon1663]

Respectfully Sir, the only thing I'd personally disagree with is the "Don't even look at him". I respect the attempt to try to defuse the situation, but we'd want to see any major escalation of violence coming. if he's reaching around his beltline, we'd obviously wanna see that. Thanks for your videos and your service! We appreciate you!

[@AllPainNoGains]

Liberty Or Death I was thinking the same thing. I think the overall message is not to escalate things by staring him in the eyes. It probably would be a good idea though to stay aware of what he is doing with his hands so that if you are boxed in you can be ready to react if he breaks a window, gets a door open, or pulls a gun. Something else that is a good idea is to call the cops as soon as possible. Sometimes the person who assaulted you will try to call the cops and get you in trouble and being the first person to call can make a huge difference in how you are treated if you do end up pulling and or firing your weapon.

[@coltkindall1]

Liberty Or Death I completely agree!

[@jollygrimreaper]

Agreed. Two weeks after getting my license at 15 some guy came up to my window asking for money for car troubles. I didn't have any money, but offered to help regardless. I noticed his bloodshot eyes, erratic behavior, and generally speaking, I had my wits about me. My avenues of driving out were blocked (without endangering others). Luckily, my brother had left his pistol in the Bronco I was driving. The guy suddenly went from 0 to 90 on the rage factor in a nanosecond. One of his arms went through the window to open the door and one went behind his back. I didn't wait to see what he produced. The pistol aimed at his forehead de-escalated the situation and he went from 90 back down to 0. Luckily, both of us walked way with our lives. I know that's not the same as road rage, but I would highly suggest keeping an eye on their hands at least.

[@parabellum3205]

Liberty Or Death Absolutely agree with you! I was thinking the exact same things while watching.

[@TheKentuckyPatriot]

I felt the same way. I look up to John McPhee Tremendously but i want my eyes on the threat at all times. Not to escalate but to observe. :-)

[@NotGonnaTel]

Break my window with a tire Iron, your taking 3 to the chest.

[@mrcreami]

yuppppp

[@michaelknox5436]

Yessss sirrrr.asphalt temperature challenge coming up!!!

[@ShredHead931]

If you're inside of it. If you're not then you're going to prison. 😂

[@tb2324]

@@ShredHead931context brother. Stupid comment

[@Quietobserver9]

@@ShredHead931not if you’re vehicle is pinned in by there’s

[@HaleFire7]

Another point to add to this excellent video is always leave enough space between you and the car in front of you in stopped traffic. Give yourself room to escape. Too many people pull right up next to the bumper of the car ahead. You should always be able to see the rear tires of the car in front of you.

[@SeanHurst]

Sage advice.

[@austinbratton9973]

Well said

[@erjbo]

Yep, true true

[@SebT00]

3:32 ”MY BROTHERS A NAVY SEAL”😂😂😂😂

[@LegionKilo]

Fuck, that's the mantra of every bearded guy in the United States. They all know a Super Friend, or their family, cousin, uncle is a Super Friend. Like, I don't give a fuck man, I was ACTUALLY over there doing Infantry shit. I swear men in the U.S. today can be summed up by swagger and spit.

[@yourhucklebearer9451]

@@LegionKilo A beard grown on the face of the INEXPERIENCED is the most IRRITATING shit ever. "Hey bro, it took me 6 years to grow this beard". Well it took me 12 to EARN my brown belt.. And besides, handlebar mustaches are WAY COOLER. Lets not forget the guys who watch martial arts on T.V. and think they are now a "FREESTYLE STREET FIGHTER".

[@LegionKilo]

@@yourhucklebearer9451 Tapout shirts. Your comment reminded me of tapout shirts and their proliferation with MMA. Suddenly every guy I was around was an MMA fighter. Knew all there was to know. It was either tapout, or affliction.

[@yourhucklebearer9451]

@@LegionKilo LOL, hell yeah.. Ive never owned either. I learned early that if they have the T SHIRT to advertise, they lack the skillset. Use to compete novice n expert BMX vert and flatland freestyle in the late 80s early 90s. Had one VISION STREET WEAR t-shirt. Wore it to school ONE TIME and got called a "POSER" all day by kids who could barely skate or ride.. Never judge a book by its cover.. UNLESS its cover is a PEACOCKS FEATHER BRANDED LOGO. LOL

[@psaint60]

@@yourhucklebearer9451 Is the TBOC (Tactical Beard Owners Club) still a thing? They used to have a very amusing website.

[@wilsonblauheuer6544]

he can pull a gun out when you are 'not looking at him'.

[@lostinthedesert6149]

I think what shrek is saying, watch him full attention, but do not eye to eye mad dog him

[@EL-ee4cz]

You can't imagine a scenario and then act on it. He didn't pull a gun out.

[@analogueoverdigital929]

​@@lostinthedesert6149this is exactly what he's saying.

[@jaybar33]

Basically, it’s not worth you losing your life or taking someone’s life over a situation that can be resolved peacefully. This guy is a retired trained killing machine, he is speaking from a place of common sense!

[@EthosAtheos]

This is by far the best video I've seen on how to handle this situation. As you point out you are safe inside the vehicle. I would add don't get out, If you need to get away do it with your car. Even an attacker with a tire iron is going to think twice about getting to close to a moving vehicle. There is no shame in falling back to gain a better position. Don't let your ego turn you into the aggressor.

[@joshbrown6290]

⁠I used to lead a team of bouncers at a bar with a lot of problem children. The amount of times me or any member of my team were told someone was going to kill us was quickly more than we could count. The amount of times we died was zero. The amount of times we took revenge or used it as an excuse to hurt people was also zero. We always stood our ground, (including when weapons were introduced,) but we never sought retribution or any form of retaliation. We just did our job. Any bouncer with more than a month experience could tell you similar stories. People acting badly never makes it a good choice for you to act badly. Besides, most of us got out our aggression in the ring or on the mat, so we had a healthy outlet. Couple that with being sober and good decisions were a lot easier to make. Guys who are actually tough don’t need to act like tough guys. Controlling your temper is a sign of strength.

[@Nautilus1972]

Shrek doesn’t believe one word of this. This is for you, not him.

[@RockwellRhodes]

Not in Baghdad, for sure!

[@jpveix]

This is an alternate universe Brett Favre where instead of becoming a legendary NFL quarterback, he became a legendary Delta Operator ;)

[@hansblitz7770]

Truth is, the cops are NOT going to side with a Non-cop who shoots someone, neither will prosecutors/district attorneys. If they have a dead man in the street, they want someone in jail for that. The only way it will be okay is if the aggressor had already fired shots at his intended victim or caused them great bodily injury. People seem to think that because they have a concealed weapon, they have the same rules of engagement as a cop, which they don't. The cops can shoot someone for simple assault and get away with it, a Non-badge citizen cannot.

[@bc1000vegas]

Fear of great bodily harm justifies the use of deadly force in many states.

[@riggsmurtah2788]

George Zimmerman is free

[@hoyte942]

The difference is the kind of assault. My son is a cop and recently had an incident where the guy came with a knife. The tackled the guy without much more of an incident but my son was informed he had the authority to use that force in that situation. The perp later admitted he wanted suicide by cop.

[@pmh1nic]

I think that depends on location. In NYC or most of downstate NY prepare to be arrested. They let cops get beat up in NYC. In Polk County, FL be prepared to get a good citizenship award.

[@afinelookinggentleman2631]

Thanks for saying this. Too many tough guys go off about how they would deal with this stuff, never truly considering the consequences of shooting another human.

[@l84cabo]

I totally agree with keep driving if you can. The problem here is if he has other ideas and is trying to force you off the road. Any type of shenanigans at speed has a very high probability of serious injury or death. So it's decision time...do you try to keep driving or do you pull over and take your chances on the side of the road? Now let's say you're on the side of the road and he gets out of his car with a weapon of some sort like a tire iron. I gotta say that being stuck in the drivers seat while he's coming through your window with a tire iron is a horrible place to be. There's nowhere for you to move. So do you sit in the car and wait for this to likely happen, or do you exit your vehicle so you can maneuver as soon as you see him exit his with weapon in hand? There's nothing consistent about road rage situations.

[@jhanks2012]

burn his ass down at the first sight of trouble if he's not complying with your commands to cease and desist

[@brotherscoobs]

might not be a bad idea to fire up the camera on your phone ,even if you can't get a clear video there will be at least some audio of the incident in case deadly force is required

[@thewarroom6118]

I have to make a few comments here as a cop: I understand why you don’t want to stare someone in the eyes, I get it, it’s supposed to de-escalate. However with the seriousness of people being shot and killed or hurt on road rage incidents, it’s a risk that we shouldn’t take. Keep your eyes on him and his hands... hands hurt! 1) if you can... drive off. If you can’t, call 911 immediately. Being unlawfully detained by someone is serious! 2) draw your gun and keep it down like Chapman says. Displaying your gun, and pointing it at someone, is a use of force. You can’t use force on a baby throwing a tantrum! 3) as long as your car is locked, windows up, and he/she can’t physically get to you, wait for the police. Keep your eye on them. 4) if the guy pulls out a weapon, like a gun or in the video, a crowbar, then it’s time to present your weapon! I don’t care if he breaks my glass or not, if he pulls out a weapon, you need to put a sight picture on him and start communicating your intentions to him! He is threatening death and great bodily harm now. Any reasonable person would want to defend himself from any attacks from this guy when he’s carrying a weapon. 5) finally, if he breaks into your car... your last bastion of safety. You may need to pull the trigger. If you can’t run, deescalate with words, or drive off... you have exhausted all options. You need to do the unthinkable and end the threat. Good luck to you all!

[@dorseykindler9544]

Great comment

[@pmh1nic]

Appreciate your service and what I believe is sound advice. I grew up in NYC (Harlem and South Bronx) ignoring someone like this is likely to enrage them further. As you mention, you want to keep your eyes on them, not with a look of fear but not with intimidation. You want to know what's in their hands. Hands are dangerous. The presentation of a weapon by the peep greatly changes the scenario. In a second that weapon can go from damage to your car to damage to your person. The justification for use of deadly force includes the use of force by an attacker that can cause serious bodily injury. That would include taking your eye out with a piece of glass when he breaks the windshield. Some of this seems so obvious I'm think John said some of these thinks to test his audience.

[@KnowOneNoWhere-86]

From a cop, trained in de-escalation but at any given moment will re-escalate over a bruised ego 🤦🤣

[@RockwellRhodes]

Why don't you guys get together and force your department heads and local judiciary to rethink their stupid laws that seem geared toward justice for the guilty? "Serve and Protect" falls into these lines as well. I'd be tired of putting my life on the line working around the stupid laws you guys condone by your very presence in the act of enforcing them. When is it time to stand up to these morons in bureaucracy?

[@thewarroom6118]

@@KnowOneNoWhere-86 unfortunately, it’s not an issue of bruised egos… it’s an issue of mental health. There are too many videos of cops getting killed by not taking a more forceful initiative. And that’s because of mental health issues, and post George Floyd laws that restrict police. We have way more mental health issues and way less mental hospitals that force police officers to have to deal with these people on the street.

[@maxspath]

John one of the most important scenario videos I have seen in I don't know how long. Thanks for covering it.

[@Hootyhoo-jq9vq]

I love the way angry man clears the broken glass before entering the vehicle. He’s done this before.

[@Jewifer333x2]

Dawg Im pretty sure thats Warrior Poet Society

[@ralphholiman7401]

A road rager who break and rakes, yeah, he’s done this before.

[@chloehennessey6813]

I have. I got my license 4 months ago. I pulled out of a store parking lot- someone let me in. So I waved thank you. That person got right on my butt and followed me for miles. I didn’t know it until I pulled into another store parking lot. He started yelling at me and walking towards my car from behind- cursing telling me he’s gonna drag me out and beat the shiz out of me for flipping him off. Anyways my back windows are tinted so he didn’t see that I’m just a 16 year old 100 pound teenager scared shizless. It was really really scary. I didn’t calm down for awhile- my dad had to come drive my car home. Be careful. “People are monsters”- Chickadee-2018.

[@nmr6988]

Excellent advice, thank you. I would DEFINITELY keep my eyes on the cray-cray though. If that was Nate Murr as the psycho, he gave a great performance. That takes a lot of energy.

[@joselabrada232]

Great advice you broke this down so responsibly. Feeling right and legally being in the right are so different way to go.

[@jbkerns]

In Ohio Castle Law is with vehicles as well. When the rager broke the windshield with the tire iron and got access to the vehicle, it really seems like an appropriate shoot situation.

[@flyoverkid55]

@ Jeff Kerns: Presuming you can't drive away, it is time to present your firearm and give commands. Be fully prepared to use force, as the tool with the tire iron is clearly not in control of his faculties.

[@alexfresel6198]

I once had a rager, well he was more like a miffer come up to my car at the left turn lane b/c I didn't take a stale yellow like he thought I should have. I had my pepper spray next to me, he saw it, turned around and walked away. Here in Chicago we are the liver of the midwest- haters, narcissists, criminals, cockroach capitalists etc. I do admit to giving some of the egregious aholes the finger- ie cruising in the passing lane on highway during rush hour......I've had a few block me from in front and when I attempted to pass on the left, race me to a stale green then red light. They definitely got the finger too. Class A++ assholes and scumbags....

[@whiskeypapa8842]

*alex fresel* Once two low-information voters got out of their car behind me and walked up because they thought I was taking too long at a busy intersection. They turned and ran back when they saw the gun on my lap. I never pointed, looked at them or said a word.

[@flyoverkid55]

@ alex fresel: I try and resist the urge to " signal " my displeasure with other drivers, knowing that any number of them may become " triggered " and lose their minds, resulting in a confrontation that some dickhead attorney/ prosecutor will claim was provoked by me. In the current political climate I fear a jury composed of hipster emos that will want to see me hang for my " micro aggressions " on a fellow traveler.

[@BBWiggs-kd2ph]

As a citizen who chooses to concealed carry, IMHO you have to think in a different manner...you have to think 'De-escalate' (like Shrek said) while constantly seeing what is going on in case the threat level increases. Many times I'll get mad at a driver (I'm a classic type-A), and then stop, take a breath, collect my wits. It's nothing, let some distance get between you and other driver. Everyone gets home safe.

[@cameltoast]

This comment section is cancer. Here's a man that made a career in violence, in one of the most elite military units, advising against it in this scenario, yet you have all these 3 percenter Sheepdogs talking about how'd they'd save the Princess and smoke the perp, they played high school football and drive a truck with a Come and Take it sticker bro! What a joke.

[@jhanks2012]

from my cold, dead hands 👌

[@charlesfoster575]

IT'S NOT A JOKE WHEN THE HIGHLY TRAINED OPERATORS YOU ARE SO PROUD OF STACK UP ON THE 3% WHO ARE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AND THEIR PROPERTY AS THEY DID AFTER KATRINA, CAMELTOE. NARCISSISTIC GUYS LIKE YOU FORGET WHY THEY JOINED, GET CARRIED AWAY WITH THEIR TRAINING AND LACK A SPIRITUAL, MORAL AND CONSTITUTIONAL COMPASS. OBVIOUSLY...WHEN THEY ANSWER QUESTIONAIRES ABOUT FIRING ON US CIVILIANS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. CONSTITUTIONAL FREEDOMS TRUMP TACTICAL TRAINING, JUST LIKE KEEPING YOUR HEAD AS JOHN RECOMMENDS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN RETURNING NON-LETHAL AGGRESSION IN THE BIG PICTURE...AND THE spec ops guys are a AP tip on a banana without the 3% driving a paid-off truck, a Constitution and the Spiritual Biblical understanding that precipitates the success of all three. Balance

[@ez3700]

Names or not ... I would still watch their hands and posture. I can get with not looking them in the face. What if they get pissed because you wont even give them a response? Pulls a gun and kills you and your family/friends... hes a threat in more than one manner of speaking. I say maintain sight on posture and their hands. Everything else I can get behind but to ignore someone in hope that they will de escalate? Sounds pretty silly. Mad respect for Shrek and I can see everything else he went over as legit but completely ignoring an active threat, I'm not so sure about?

[@passthetunaporfavor]

Yep. I'm driving away like the man says. I know of plenty of armed idiots driving around locked and loaded waiting for the slightest provocation.

[@trainerd1]

@@passthetunaporfavor Well then you need to get new friends.

[@knh5954]

Good video. Had a guy almost hit me when he was flooring it onto expressway, I motioned for him to not get so close, and not with any obscene gesture. It was reflex because he came that close to spinning me out. He forced my vehicle off the highway in a wedge scenario. And got out waving his arms, he was obviously having a bad day before he met me. I pointed at his license plate and backed up 50 ft on the shoulder and yes, I was ccw. He finally got back in his truck and drove off, I knew if I got out of that vehicle, that would be considered escalating the situation, and that would put me in a bad legal standing. We have a saying in Security, you may win your case, but you will loose all your money doing so. When he says do not look at the guy, he is saying do not escalate the situation, of course you will be observing hands for weapons. It is smart to avoid being judged by 12, as well as carried by 6.

[@BM205]

Yeah as soon as he breaks the window I'm not gonna let it go any further. Double tap to center mass, repeat as needed until threat is eliminated

[@imanuelcunt8676]

Didnt recognize you there John Rambo.

[@gagacrazy10]

@@imanuelcunt8676😂

[@TheSuperDanks]

Have fun with that 😂

[@spoopy-gho5t]

You think he’s rambo because he would defend himself? He’s not trying to be badass. It’s just how it is.

[@markj7579]

Thank you for the information. I just got my CCW permit and I appreciate you sharing your wisdom

[@stephenmiller7290]

I have found dark tinted windows almost stops road rage completely. If they cant see you then they dont know you weigh 247lbs. Lol

[@moose2934]

I second this - it also helps when you’re aiming at their brain pan - hypothetically

[@ralphholiman7401]

Yep, nobody wants to start something with a car that might have four angry Rastafarians in it.

[@forrestacton3432]

Logic. After it's over, there's always a reckoning. Depending on states, counties, municipalities, jurisdictions...even the DA's mood or the Judge's political slant...I'd rather lose a windshield and burn up my reverse gear evading than put my future in the hands of variables, interpretations, and strangers' agendas.

[@EazyBoBeezy]

I agree with it all. As soon as that tire iron hits my windshield my gun will be out and pointed at the the suspect from inside the vehicle letting him know if he comes in to my vehicle with it in his hand his times up.

[@Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329]

I recently found your videos and I appreciate your knowledge sharing.

[@Gman-109]

Wow, great video and great advice. I like the visual of the head down/hands on wheel de-escalate technique, I'm putting that into my own training and plan, verbatim. In heavy traffic it's so easy to get pinned in, this is very important subject matter to avoid legal trouble after an incident.

[@SoleSavr]

No matter this man’s accomplishments, he is advising me to take my eyes off the threat. There is no training, basic nor advanced, that would advice to NOT look at your attacker..while your family is in the car ???. That is literally Websters definition of “medically-stupid”…my 15yr old knows enough to keep his eyes on the threat’s hands. Respectfully sir..I’ve never unsubscribed as fast as I just did. Record, really.

[@sean68772]

Was not expecting this advice. But you are right. Deescalate. Manhood, schmanhood . Great advice.

[@WhoWouldWantThisName]

I'm glad I watched this. Even though we probably all knew this was the advice we would get, I know this self control in the face of hostilities is one of my greatest weaknesses. Keeping my cool while some a$$hole is breaking my windows is something I would probably not be able to pull off right now. I fully agree with Schrek on all this but I need to also be able to actually do this.

[@Berserker420-]

As an active Martial Arts of 50 years old. It is an arms race, meaning de escalate when possible. If attacked with a knife you need a stick, etc. Walking away from even a shoving match is smart. Push a person down, they hit their head. You are going to jail. Just be nice!😂 Great video

[@ralphholiman7401]

My experience has been that it almost always "takes two to tango" with road rage. I drive a lot to travel these days, and I could have a road rage incident every trip if I wanted to. I don't. Someone cuts me off, I just slow down, give them room, and pretend it didn't happen. Some tailgates me, I just slow down and get of their way. Fast moving 4000 pound cars are not the right things to have pissing contests with. Also, when you do all of these things, if it gets where you have to defend yourself with deadly force, you don't have to worry about other witnesses or video saying you egged it on.

[@Aviyaytor]

I like when the dude breaks the window and gets close to Shrek, and Shrek pulls him in like that Tasmanian Devil Under the stairs in Creepshow. LOLOL!

[@peteshour768]

Your in control as long as you don't lose your self control.

[@MichaelBrianInc]

Speaking from an experienced situation which luckily did not escalate, a driver did pin me and my only thought was if I pull off to get away from this person, I am now risking others being involved if this guy gives chase. You can't just drive away sometimes. You risk speeding and putting others in danger if the guy gives chase and is relentless to let you go so easily. Does anyone else think or feel this way? It's really not that black and white easy as it sounds. You have to consider the environment and if you have plenty of traffic on your roadway, you simply cannot race off to dip around cars and lose this person.

[@ScottSmith-mw6lo]

I agree 100%. I had a similar experience, luckily nothing happened. Definitely, running puts you at risk for various reasons. Every state should have a stand your ground rule.

[@robertadams4656]

After finding this guy recently, it humbly makes me mad he hasn’t went viral yet lol. Seems like a super solid dude and he has great lessons. Super cool personality as well💪😎🤙

[@stylz1]

I'm keeping my eye on the person the whole time to make sure they don't pull a gun. Maybe not look them in the eye but watch their hands.

[@WisdomThumbs]

Good use for sunglasses.

[@MrSlater0239]

Thank you for posting this! I have reposted this on all my social media.

[@joseyanes6695]

Good forward thinking. But if i could get away and minimize my exposure, I would. It's not that my family sees he hurt someone or defending them violently, it about using all other methods of escape before I use deadly force. Thanks for the knowledge nuggets!!!

[@alewis9735]

This is great advice. The only thing I would add as a police officer is take the opportunity to call 911. Give the dispatcher as much information as possible, ie description of vehicle, license plate number, your location, description of subject, weapons involved etc. This will get the police to you faster, give them an idea of what they're coming into, and when they get there, let the police handle it.

[@jhanks2012]

yeah i'd tell them he's wearing a white t-shirt which may be red when the cops arrive

[@teammosin9999]

Such great advice to live by!! Thank you.

[@bryanbaker5942]

Laws vary state to state and here in Indiana once that dude breeches the glass with a tire iron and I’m pinned in, he gets lit up with a few rounds. He should never have a chance to grab you through the glass. Several months ago an off duty reserve officer in my town got road rage and confronted a guy in a parking lot and ended up getting shot and killed. The guy that shot the reserve was not charged, being that the reserve was the aggressor.

[@1eep9191]

NOT LOOKING AT A ATTACKER IS LIKE TURNING OUR BACK TO A RAGING BULL

[@pmh1nic]

I'm wondering if John said some of the things he mentioned to test his audience. Not looking at the person attacking your vehicle, which in a split second could be an attack on you, the presentation of a weapon and breaking the windshield which alone could cause serious bodily injury to you or a passenger, breaching the windshield or passenger window using a weapon in my mind are justifications for using deadly force. The idea that you wait until the very last second puts you and the other innocent individuals in the vehicle at a great disadvantage.

[@Michael-kf6bc]

That’s a difficult situation to be involved in. If the person or persons pulls out a bat/tire iron and begins to assault my car. If I’m alone or with my family. It’s officially go time my life and the safety of everyone in my car is in danger.

[@juantrevino1574]

Very good points thankyou for the podcast.

[@misterr2359]

I would've presented my weapon as he grabbed the tire iron. That, to me, is deadly force, as one hit to the head with that metal is basically a kill. At least it is my interpretation of our laws (i'm a lawyer in Brazil).

[@TriggerTimeTV]

I agree

[@serioushamster]

A single punch can kill a guy...is a ounch deadly force?

[@madcapmagician6018]

ok question, watched, agree with everything that was said, BUT i noticed one thing .. when the guy tried to enter the vehicle Mr. McPhee grabbed him by the shirt and started pulling him in would this not constitute assault ? thereby causing you ( the victim ) to be accused of escalation? The video ended before seeing how Mr. McPhee would have ended the confrontation so I am not sure If I missed anything there or not. any insight is appreciated =)

[@wolco003]

What a great and IMPORTANT video that is only added too with the great discussion below! THANK YOU ALL!!!!!

[@ottos3666]

Nate Murr as the baddie, i like it. The hat cocked is a nice touch.

[@shotsfired6791]

John, someone would be pretty stupid to have road rage against you.

[@williamlouie479]

There are incredibly stupid people out there. Right when you thought about stupidest moron, there will be someone else coming up or down on the intellectual level (however relevant) .

[@jbkerns]

How about cell phone/dash cam video recording?

[@scottlaw75]

super rad breakdown sir. thanks for putting this together

[@pd2210]

Great job SOB

[@chrislikescandy]

"Just let'em go" was the hardest line coming from this man. Haha.

[@joshbowen2717]

If im not looking at him how do i know when he becomes a deadly threat? Maybe just look at his hands but dont make eye contact?

[@GD-tn3ez]

Now, ask "Shrek" would he would've done if this happened in Fallujah 😁

[@ScottSmith-mw6lo]

I totally disagree with the don't look at him advise. I totally agree with not engaging the person with yelling or what not but I want to see if he is going to shoot me in the back so I can react and protect myself. Sorry this is bad advice!

[@petercannava3236]

Great job thanks for the thoughts to help people rationally deal with this very real and common risk

[@severohernandez6534]

The idea that someone may have road raged at this man, someone with a kill count higher than most people’s call of duty account is freaking insane

[@RichardHarmon-i6n]

You are always full of good advice.

[@joeflowers9084]

I think this is all good advice, but I also agree that you need to keep an eye on them if possible (perhaps without looking them in the eye). Years ago: Two young guys (one black, one white) walking as it's getting dark--as I pull to a stop sign, they're walking by, but the black male yells, "Yo!" which I mistake for possibly being my name (Joe). I can't see him well because it's dark, but I think it might be my friend Ty (a black guy whom I play chess with). He starts to come around to the driver's side, and I check the doors are locked. I then put the SUV in first gear, ready to take off. I roll the window down like 2 inches to hear him as he says something like, "Hey man," but just then, I hear the other guy trying to open my passenger door. As I take off, I look to my right and see he's pulling the door handle. The next day, I hear about a car-jacking 3/4ths of a mile north of that spot. They shot and killed the male driver of the SUV, and threw the girlfriend out. She identified the men as a young black male and white male. I called the police and gave as best a description as I could (height, weight, hair), and described how they approached me. I don't know if it was the same guys, but I think it was. If my doors hadn't been locked, the white guy would have entered the vehicle, and I'm sure the black guy would have been right behind him.

[@williamlouie479]

Too bad there isn't any similar advice for bicyclists getting screwed with on the road as well.

[@williamlouie479]

Hello fellow gun owners how about giving me some comments or advice. You just don't know who your backup partner is when you are jammed up & in a really bad spot.

[@John-zh6ld]

Absolutely fantastic video and advice

[@thrivesurvive-o2s]

do you feel the same about de-escalation when; a-they bring a firearm; b-we're now in a state such as Texas/other western states, where the vehicle is considered like the house, to be part of the 'castle' inre: castle defense/stand your ground laws?

[@matthewadams2979]

"Keep the windows up" but the back, drivers side window is halfway open?

[@jpurvis1]

Its a scenario, for educational purposes. Go get back in your dodge truck. Or camaro.😂

[@renaissanceman4267]

Always try to walk away!!....Absolutely avoid deadly force at all costs folks!!....Even if you think its necessary always try to find a out!!....

[@renaissanceman4267]

@@timothysherrange ....Avoid it at all costs!!.....Left and the right will throw you to the dog's if necessary!!

[@TheKrighter]

In New Mexico, grabbing the driver after breaking the window or by opening the door is the same as entering someone's house. Happened on I40 in Albuquerque a year or so back. Driver shot and killed the bad guy and the cops let him go at the scene.

[@Fugettaboutit]

I keep mace in my center console, but that's last resort before a firearm meaning that he'd have to have broken a window or forced open a door. And even the mace (pepper gel spray in my case) you'd need a clear shot so as not to have it bounce back and get you. For me just be ready to back up and and then drive around and away.

[@aimsmallmisssmall664]

Looking away from him/her can easily escalate the adrenalin and cortisol levels in the road-rager, causing him/her to go farther than they originally planned to. One of the most effective methods to de-escalate a situation is to show the palms of your hands, moving your hands in a short motion toward them and back toward you, if you can do so safely, while mouthing, "I'm Sorry." If that rager continues and you cannot drive away, have a previously prepared plan. Do you immediately call 911, being aware of your exact location, suspect and vehicle descriptions, to include your vehicle? Can you index your hand(s) onto your weapon? You certainly can, ensuring that it's not exposed to that attacker until two things happen; 1). The suspect's actions are creating or are about to create an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury (FL laws), 2). That threat is legally a forcible felony (FL laws)and is absolutely imminent or happening now. 3). And the level of force you potentially use is appropriate to the level of threat. Nothing says that you cannot have your hand on your weapon, ready to go if needed immediately. But be well-practiced. Remember, short of being in a Miata with the top down, most locked vehicles that have the windows rolled-up are fairly safe, unless the attacker has a weapon capable of penetrating that vehicle. If that's the case, maybe accelerating, but maintaining control, is the key, even if you hit something, but hopefully not an innocent 3rd party. It's better for insurance to have to pay for property damage than for you to get seriously hurt or killed. Call 911 as soon as you can and breathe, don't hyperventilate. You have too many people who need you and love you, so come up with multiple response plans and think them through several times. That's called forethought training techniques. Think scenarios through smartly. That creates myelinated neural pathways, wrongly called muscle memory by most. You may be having the best day ever, and the unintentionally cut-off the A-Hole who is having his worst day ever, and you can quickly become their outlet for their rage or psychopathy. Stay vigilant, stay sharp, and remember that sometimes the best way to win a fight is to avoid a fight. Don't be a victim; be smart, be prepared, and react appropriately. May God Bless You and Our Vets.

[@pathfinderselfdef]

Great information. I also love your hat. Where can I get one?

[@johnnybgood-ws5cu]

This is proper learn n, ty so much for ur time sir !!!

[@jaredlalal]

Props to your rage actor haha

[@wisemencompany]

Watching Nate bang all over that car is pretty funny Bahahaha!

[@SheepdogColumbus]

I'd like to hear Donkey's point of view.

[@damienholland8103]

I almost had a bad incident at a gas station a few weeks ago. As I was about to leave someone kept backing their car towards mine and I thought they were going to hit my car so I honked at them to watch out. They stopped for a moment then started backing up again so I stepped out of my car to watch the situation more closely or, if need be, ask the driver what they are doing or tell them to pay attention. The driver of that car immediately stopped his car and stepped out and took a few steps toward me and stopped about 15 yards away. He didn't say anything and we were both heated about the situation. I said "I'm just trying to get out of here, man" and he replied "I'm trying to get to that spot". I realized then that he was backing up to get to one of the gas spots so I said "you know what, don't worry about it I'll just back up my car" to which he said "someone already took it it's too late". We both went back to our cars and I said "sorry, man" over my shoulder. I wasn't armed at the time but if he had come closer and invaded my personal space one of us was going to win and one was going to lose this physical fight. And for a moment I thought 'but what if I had a gun? Then I wouldn't have to fight if he had come closer' but then I realized you don't use a gun unless it's a last resort. But they grey area is: A fistfight can be lethal for different reasons. So by resigning myself to a potential physical confrontation I'm taking a risk of not seeing my loved ones again. But it's a risk I'd rather take than brandishing a weapon or firing one over a small incident like this. It took me a few hours to shake my pride because my pride kept telling me I should have just walked up closer to him and have that conversation up close like a real man would. But that could have escalated the situation further. So I think I ultimately did the right thing and conceded and found a way to reduce the hostilities.

[@psaint60]

If you haven’t already, watch Masaad Ayoob’s Use Of Force video. It’s getting a little long in the tooth, but the core mindset you need to have is there. “Imminent fear of death or great bodily harm” is the operative phrase. If you had even the slightest opportunity to hide in your car with doors locked, back up and drive away, or even leave your car there and run, but you shot someone anyway and they die, chances are, you’re going to the slammer (blue state definitely, red state depends on how good your lawyer is). I was always taught, if it comes out of the holster you’re using it to save your life or the life of a family member. The number of things that can or will go wrong go up exponentially the minute you draw it and don’t shoot it. Now you’re pointing a gun at him. If he’s not pointing one at you, now you’re the aggressor and you’re on all the security cameras. If you start threatening him-don’t move or I’ll shoot!-and he moves and you don’t shoot-if he’s street smart, he now knows you’re probably afraid to shoot him and it might be worth the risk to try and disarm you. Long story short, it is a living nightmare legally, financially, emotionally to use a gun for self defense in today’s climate. At a minimum you are almost certainly going to lose your gun whether you were right or wrong. You will be put in jail until the DA and cops try to determine what your deal is and if your demographics might be conducive to making an example of you. My brother went through a watered down version of this, so I’ve had a front row seat of the wheels falling off the cart. Not to be overly dramatic, but if you haven’t worked out in your mind what you would do if X happens, you should. The meekest, mildest, well-meaningest person can seriously f@ck the rest of their life up with a few seconds of poor judgment. I tell my son all the time, the two most important skills for someone who chooses to carry a gun are Awareness and Avoidance. Master the art of seeing problems before they start and avoid putting yourself on an “x” when you don’t have to. Odds are you are far more likely to put those two skills to work to save your life than you will being able to hit the paper in the right place. Sorry for the rant, but if I can save one person from going through the hell my brother did it will be worth it. Keep on keepin’ on!

[@bazzmcfury9550]

Absolutely solid advice 110% to my eye, awesome video

[@BlackshadowE-6]

Good advice . But , keep eyes on to make sure no gun is being pulled.

[@Greyhawk-h9u]

Might be a good time to record this type of incident on the celly?

[@Wedelj]

Everyone watching should have some form of pre-paid legal subscription. My recommendation would be Second Call Defense, but anything would be better than nothing.

[@jamesbenedict7206]

You are right,every bulleit has a lawyer attached to it

[@Renaldo135]

Good video and thanks. I personally do like i do at work and watch their hands the whole time if they got out, if they don't get out it's a moot point I just keep moving on.

[@bryanbruns4745]

My father was in the 82nd..he advised just like john dont panic..de escalate.the situation..until it becomes life and death.then proceed to do what is necessary...

[@kurtschlichting1903]

Beautiful work

[@atypical_moto]

Good video but definitely keep your eyes on him. If he escalates it to a gun, you need to be aware of that.

[@justinofboulder]

Great advice, thanks!

[@goatkiller68]

Nate has that acting on lockdown

[@TriggerTimeTV]

Nate was hilarious is you get to see all of the footage!

[@Redpitbull44]

Trigger Time TV I liked when he said "My brother is a Navy Seal!!!"

[@hansblitz7770]

lol, had to watch that again. Sounds like something a major douche would in fact say. Or "I know people"

[@jpchiesa]

The only problem was that the cagey Sheriff asked Nate to pick him up and take him to the "shoot". Nate got so into the role he forgot it was his wife's car that he was beating to death!

[@robm321]

The real dudes always know to deescalate. The scared dudes always want to protect their manhood.

[@john-nx4xn]

Cops are living proof of it. Escalation is their montra

[@kkhan8]

Wonderful info. Thank you

[@Marc-nc9yv]

so when do you get involved? once that window is broken and he is trying to come into my car and hit me or my family its time, yes?

[@dopeclips9370]

can you imagine coming up to shrek like this. fkn wild

[@cm202]

Time to drive away and maintain distance. Definitely maintaining visual for law enforcement.

[@CKim-k6s]

Really great video

[@patmcgregor]

thats why i keep a can of bear mace..

[@blackops8996]

I disagree with the part he said don't look at him, you kinda have to in case he reaches in his pocket and pulls a knife or gun....

[@rmlrobl]

may want to put that rear window up..