Trinitarianism Destroyed by John

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@OlgaTorres-q3d 4 ай бұрын

Good morning brother Greg. Keep up the fine work. Your humility and sincerity is evident. Your courage to call things for what they are, is refreshing. Never back down. You are respectful. Be like the apostle Paul. You are helping many people to see the truth. Your reward is great. Many blessings from The Father and Son. Ismael, Christian Witness of Jah, Puerto Rico 🇵🇷.

@Dizzinator2114 4 ай бұрын

After viewing most of this I decided to take it to ChatGPT for it to make the trinitarian arguments and interesting enough ChatGPT conceded that the trinitarian arguments does have a lot of issues with it. I was able to establish that trinity is fallacious circular reasoning, and it also utilizes special pleading. I spent over an hour going back and forth with that thing 😂 it was fun. I even asked it to address some points I may have not addressed and critique my arguments and surprisingly it stated overall I did very well in pointing out the flaws with the trinity doctrine for a doctrine that is more consistent with the text without having to make up a bunch of things. It did give me some different text to address as well and as addressing certain things from early Christianity to flush out my stance more. So I’ll do those portions some other time.

@George-FG77 4 ай бұрын

Sam says ''Greg and his fifteen people in live chat.'' Bro, When Greg started doing this, he was alone. Sam's followers listen to him for the comfort zone he provides. He chose the easy path: bowing down to the pagan doctrine that is accepted by mainstream christianity. I listen to Greg cuz he's honest. Not a fraud. If Greg out of the blue decided to become a liar, I'd immediately notice and leave. Sam lies to his followers on daily basis. Besides, Solus Veritas must be the spirit of your conduct. This standard is out of reach for you, Sam!

@dogwittheheadset2512 4 ай бұрын

@@tarantulaclan5025cult mindset

@gabrielramirez4106 4 ай бұрын

@@dogwittheheadset2512your mothers mindset = cult mindset

@ObjectiveHermeneutics 4 ай бұрын

👋 Stafford. Great refutation, quick question. “homoiōs” does it always mean similarly or likewise, or in the context does it mean exactly the same way as the NAS bible translates the word in Matthew 26:35, Matthew 27:41 ect. Is that a mistranslation? How could Jesus do all things he sees of God the exact same way.

@CWJahTube 4 ай бұрын

@ObjectiveHermeneutics There's no evidence at all the people in Matthew 26 or 27 said EXACTLY the same words, but only similar words. That's what HOMOIWS means! So you just lied about those two uses. It's the same with Jesus in John 5:19: He's not God so he only does LIKEWISE and he has to first watch the Father, further proving he's not God. God doesn't have to watch anyone before doing anything. That's blaspheme! Repent.

@LFC_05 4 ай бұрын

‭‭John‬ ‭5:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬ For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; What's your point? How does this contradict the triune nature of God?

@CWJahTube 4 ай бұрын

@LFC_05 Jesus doesn't share the same nature as God. Otherwise, they'd already have the same type of life. They don't, so they can't share the same nature. It was all made very clear in the video and you STILL missed it!

@zonedoutempire9477 4 ай бұрын

@CWJahTube I think potentially can be an education problem. Comprehension is their downfall. Also, maybe TMH didn't want them to wake up to the truth and that's not on us.

@lessummers5738 4 ай бұрын

Psalm 83:18 That men may know that thou,whos name ALONE is JEHOVAH,art the MOST HIGH over ALL the earth.Everytime MOST HIGH is used we know its refering to the FATHER if you now move to the new test look up everytime MOST HIGH is used it is in fact the FATHER

@HiddenThingsofGod 4 ай бұрын

We don't have to assume any doctrine. John 1:1-14 explains Genesis 1. In the beginning was The Word and The Word was with God (separate from) and WAS GOD (THAT means GOD). The same was in the beginning (BEFORE creation) WITH GOD. All things were made by Him (The Word) And in him was life and the life was the light of men. And the light shone in the darkness and the darkness did not understand it. And John (the Baptist) came to bear witness of the LIGHT. So the Word was GOD, not like God, not an agent of God. God. Genesis 1 In the beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. (God the Father is going to create a Heavenly realm- outside of time, space, matter and a physical realm- consists of time, space, and matter ie creation) And the Earth (this is before the physical realm is created) was without form and void and darkness covered the face of the deep. (darkness understood Him not) And His spirit (Holy Spirit which comes out of God and is also God) moved over the face of the water. And God SAID, let there be light (The Word which also came out of God when He spoke). Which was what? WAS GOD. And God saw that it was good and divided the light from the darkness. (Mark 10:18) This is not creation. Creation is to make or build something. Made was not used until verse 7 when God (the father) said let there be firmament (land) and God (The Word- who is God) created the firmament (all things were made by Him.) His existence preceeds the material. This is the failure in your understanding. HE created all things. HE did not create Himself. Neither did God because when He came out there was no matter, there was nothing physical in existence ie no creation. God spoke and The Word came out of Him as light (the life which is the light of all men). How many is that? Father, Son, & Spirit. Matt 28:19, John 1:14

@Ryan_Nath 3 ай бұрын

Matthew 24:36

@HiddenThingsofGod 3 ай бұрын

@@Ryan_Nath No. And this is what John 1 and Genesis 1 help to clarify. You can't really compare God to anything because there is nothing like him. But to put it into more human terms. God is sort of like... triplets that share a brain and a heart. They all think the same, they all feel the same. So which one gets deference or more respect? The oldest of course! That is God the Father. Jesus refers to him as the Power in Mark 14:62. He is the source of everything. The Word/Jesus and the Holy Spirit come out of Him. They are not creations. So there are 3 of them. The Oldest is "in charge". They all love each other because who doesn't love themselves? But you already know everything you are going to ever think or feel about things. So they want to project their love outward. To do that they make "creation". That is the physical realm. The 3 of them know all things. They know everything that happens from beginning to end. So they know Adam and Eve will fall and all of mankind will be stuck living in sin. We can't free ourselves from it because after Adam and Eve sin is inherent, meaning built into us genetically, through their actions. This sin is the thing that keeps humans from being around them. The wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). That is why the Jews and Hebrews had to sacrifice animals for sin. Something has to die when we sin. This is a temporary imperfect system. But God planned for this. One of them (the Word/Jesus) agrees to confine himself to the form of a man before men even exist. He chose/was sent by Himself, the Father, to become limited for a time to be a sacrifice for ALL sin for everyone for ALL time. Because only God is sinless after the fall of Adam and Eve. So only God as a man could be both sinless and die (temporarily): So that all we have to do to be free of sin and be around our creator is to believe that He/the Word/Jesus is God. To do this He temporarily becomes encased in flesh. So He is still God, but now He is somewhat limited. He can't be everywhere at once, some would argue His human brain can't hold the vastness of the complete knowledge of God either. Or that the oldest, the Father God, temporarily took some knowledge away from him; IE in case he were found out He (Jesus) couldn't have it tortured out of Him. I think the best way to see this limitation in His knowledge is this: God is a loving Father according to us Christians. He is the oldest, so He is the one in charge and the one who sets the plans. He set an end to this world much like I, a father, set a bedtime for my children. If my children come to me and plead with me to stay up late and give me a good reason. I, as a loving Father, will often cave and give them what they want. Just like God the Father, who sets the plans and the end and is deferred to by Jesus & the Holy Spirit is the only one who "Knows the hour". Its His call to make because he is the oldest or the highest in authority by their agreement. So God sets the end, BUT when his children, those that believe that Christ IS God, ask for more time to convince their sibling, or parent, or friend to come to know him; He can decide whether or not to push it back. It is a variable end based on US because God loves us. And since God/The Father is the highest authority according to Jesus who is also God. Only He can say no more and stop it. So only He knows the hour. This leads back to the polytheism debate. Why is Christianity not polytheism? It goes back to the core of what God is. The Holy Spirit and Jesus literally are the SAME God. They came out of the Father. They all share the same thoughts, feelings, power, authority, abilities. So they are not 3 different Gods acting independently. Independent gods as in the case of polytheism would be each on their own agenda. They could even act against one another, but God in His three people does not do that. They never disagree because they are all the same. The three people that make up "God" are not independent of one another. Jesus/the Word and the Holy Spirit have the Father as their source. They think the same, feel the same, act the same, do all of the same things. If God the Father, wants to reabsorb them they could go back into their source I would imagine. They do not disagree with one another, and they trust one another completely because each is the other. That is why they are "One" when there is three of them. The Bible covers these things in indirect ways and that is a whole other discussion. Hope this clarifies some things. God bless.

@davidbannister7541 4 ай бұрын

You made a great point Greg. Sam and his followers don't believe The Bible. I can't take him seriously, and I'm baffled as to why others do. There's no way The Holy Spirit is involved in Sam's teaching sessions. He follows the father of lies, and the truth isn't in him.

@sockysok206 4 ай бұрын

Live debate please. See who has the Holy Spirit.

@CWJahTube 4 ай бұрын

@sockysok206 Sam refuses... TWICE. Then he lost numerous video debates, and he's currently being destroyed live every Thursday. So we already know who has the Holy Spirit and if you can't tell then you don't have it...

@lessummers5738 4 ай бұрын

Has Sam went to Rome to pay homage to his father?I will pay homage to my FATHER THE LORD MOST HIGH THE FATHER of ALL CREATION The LIVING and TRUE GOD