Trioplan v. TTArtisan 100mm f2.8 triplet lens. Image comparisons and conclusions.

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If you're interested in the similarities and differences between the new TTArtisan 100mm f2.8 M42 triplet lens, and the old Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm f2.8...
...this video has side-by-side comparative images to look at, and my own conclusions about the performance of each lens. Please add your own conclusions below!
Here are time links to the different sections:
00:00 Introduction
01:38 Specs and methodology
05:21 Bubble bokeh
06:58 Smooth blur
08:11 Sharpness wide open
09:13 Performance stopped down
11:37 Colour comparisons
13:25 Conclusions
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[@itsdachief]

TTArtisan is really a cut above the rest when it comes to the new Chinese lens manufacturers. I had their trio of 17/1.4, 35/1.4, and 50/1.2 for micro four thirds that I picked up for 200 total. Opens up so many opportunities I would’ve been priced out of otherwise. Wish them nothing but more success

[@manichaean1888]

I also have them, but I prefer Kamlan lenses. More expensive and bulky but also better IQ.

[@KNURKonesur]

To me the biggest advantage of the Trioplan having all the elements in the front half of the lens is that you can unscrew the back and DIY an adapter to use the lens with medium format cameras and make it even better for portraits. It really shines on a Pentax 645 or Mamiya 645 and is easy to adapt. You could also adapt it to a Pentax 6x7 but the size of the frame really pushes the capabilities of the lens design and gets a bit difficult to work with.

[@andyz_w3584]

wow! this is the first time I heard about it. great insights. thank you.

[@jianchenglu6584]

sadly i have the exakta mount version, the elements doesn't unscrew

[@Seele2015au]

This is actually a result of the Trioplan being a lens from the old idiom: the same lens made in a multitude of focal lengths to cover different format areas. When the 35mm format became mainstream, some of these lenses were adapted to fit by using a suitable custom focussing helicoid to bridge them to the camera. The 135 Primotar was originally made for 9cm X 12cm format, and there was also a 180 version originally for 5" X 7".

[@mjl1958]

The pattern in the Trioplan bokeh bubbles look like caustic curves, possibly caused by internal reflections off a circular surface i.e. the walls of the lens.

[@MrFreakwent]

For purists with disposable income, the Trioplan is a wonderful lens. The TTArtisan so closely matches the performance that many of us can finally own this 100 mm bokeh lens with excellent rendition.

[@lychgator]

I've been waiting for this exact video. Thanks so much for taking the time to make it!

[@ivansusic562]

Somehow I expected such results. Experienced already problems with some vintage lenses - after a while oil appears on blades, then fungus... Thus you are right - it is better to own a new lens.

[@barrycohen311]

At a $155 price point, this lens is a bargain, a steal. Seriously considering buying one, even though that would mean breaking my G.A.S. vow.

[@l.e.phillips]

Same! 🙈

[@Six.of.one.photography]

I've only recently started using vintage lenses, in large part due to your channel, which my gf and i are big fans of. After spending many thousands of dollars on new, state of the art lenses, I started becoming underwhelmed by the sameness of the images, as though you couldn't tell which lens was used for any given shot, save for my 1.2's and 1.4's giving obvious bokeh differences. I very much enjoy your patient and informative delivery, and keep the fence samples coming, we love them, lol! But above all, your enthusiasm and genuine admiration for certain lenses has been instrumental in my purchase decisions, and so far I have loved every lens I bought, and did so because I was very informed about what I was purchasing (the different models of the super takumar as an example). The money I have saved, and the reignited enthusiasm I have when packing my camera bag, well, I have you to thank for that, so thank you, truly.

[@LeeOgata]

Thanks for the comparison. After watching your initial review of the TTArtisan lens, I went ahead and purchased one for myself. Cheers.

[@skazhenyj]

Interesting and useful comparison Simon. The only suggestion I'd have for the future videos is to use the same (or as close as possible) focusing distance, since that affects the "bubbles"; and not only their size. I'd also recommend using helicoid adapters to everyone, instead of extension tubes, for most situations. For Sony, for example, that would be a thin "flange" adapter to M42, then M42 25-55mm helicoid and that's it. Magnification can be controlled (no need to remove the lens to add and remove tubes) with 0 to 30mm of extension available, plus there's infinity focus. Another reason I dislike the tubes is dust, having to expose sensor whenever I need them. Just a hint to those viewers who are unaware. Oh yes, I also sometimes focus with such helicoid, if a vintage lens has stiff focusing mechanism and I'm in no mood to open and lubricate it.

[@RhettAnderson]

I always use helicoid adapters, when available.

[@gillesmatheronpro]

Your test stands for a reference on how comparisons should be handled. Thank you for all your time and energy invested in such a useful and helpful work !

[@ThePedalboardOrchestra]

Great comparison video, thank you very much. 👍👍👏👏 If I wouldn't already have a good copy of the Trioplan, I would definitely go right on to get the TT Artisan. What a wonderful "modern" lens. 🤩

[@Viri_Viorel]

A perfectly timed video release! I just got my TTArtisan lens in the mail today ;) Very nice to see that they are so close together when it comes to the rendering, and I guess thank you for confirming my reasoning for buying a new lens instead of an old one xD Although most of my "vintage" lenses are all pretty dust free. Then again, I shoot mostly on Minolta lenses, maybe those haven't been passe around as much as some of the "rarer" and sought after lenses ^^

[@vaskoobscura_]

Awesome video. Thanks for taking the time to produce it. I just bought the TTArtisans lens.

[@bradl2636]

eBay sellers sitting on stocks of old vintage lenses are 💩’ing bricks right now 😂 More M42 classics are coming..!

[@princeharbinger]

Good that's what they deserve. Most of them find the lenses for dirt cheap at thrift stores and flea markets and chalk up ridiculous prices.

[@doogieham]

Let’s hope so. I just received my ttArtisan 100/2.8 today and I’m super excited.

[@bradl2636]

@@doogieham What do you think of it so far?

[@wolfrainerschmalfuss3515]

Thanks for the comparison, I bought me the TTArtisan 2,8/100mm bubble lens, and I am quiet pleased and enjoy working with it, mostly open with f/2,8!

[@larsltj]

Well, I have both of them too and are currently testing them against eachother. I have a pristine copy of the Trioplan and get somewhat different results in some categories. I also noticed that the Trioplan is 1/3 of a stop faster than the new TTartisan. The bokeh is also more creamy and soft and the bokeh balls have a better and smoother color gradient and looks more like soap bubbles compared to the TTartisan which are more circles with a strokes . The TTartisan has better sharpness and contrast, less blooming and just slightly cooler tone.

[@Simonsutak]

Many thanks for this feedback - very interesting. There's no doubt the condition etc. of each of these old Trioplans can impact images. But I like and agree with your description of the soap bubbles. I'm looking at some close ups of the bubbles at f2.8 on my screen right now and I'd say that the Trioplan's soap bubbles do look more three dimensional, rather than simply circles. But it's quite a subtle or hardly noticeable difference in other images I took.

[@Anon-zl4ne]

Nice comparison video Simon. I ordered the TTArtisan weeks ago and received my copy a few days ago. I had been using an adapted Pentacon 80mm f/2.8 projector lens because the Trioplan is too expensive. The old Pentacon projector lens is likely going to be retired because of the color differences you mentioned, and because I can stop the TTArtisan down if needed. I can only use the Pentacon at f/2.8 because it has no aperture blades. Again, thank you for the great comparison video. And thank you TTArtisan for finally providing an affordable alternative to the overpriced Trioplans.

[@gef3565]

Hello How do you think the center sharpness compare wide open with the pentacon ? Thank you

[@Anon-zl4ne]

The TTArtisan is definately sharper wide open than the Pentacon projector lens. @@gef3565

[@joellinker9899]

Thank you for another well considered and interesting presentation. I always look forward to your videos. This lens looks to be a must have! 📸

[@guillermoquinones4200]

I'm a great admirer of your work, videos, and approach to share your knowledge. I was so convinced on your first video on this TT Artisan that I already bought it. This new video jist gives me more reasons. Following you on Flicker also. Great work! Regards from Puerto Rico.

[@markferguson9081]

Thanks for an outstanding video. After your initial review of the Ttartisan, I was a convert, and now this has just reinforced that decision. Simply cant afford the trioplan, but your video highlighted more advantages in favor of the Ttartisan. Thanks again

[@mattdyer9544]

Although I'm not often too fond of the idea of manufacturers 'stealing' lens formulas, even if they are 'outdated', however I think this is an example of it done right. This is a unique and desirable lens, especially in the modern market with no currently available comparison. The vintage Trioplans that are around are, as you point out, often worse for wear after decades of use and/or neglect and importantly not common in m42 mount. The ttartisans provides greater access to this lens without insulting of damaging the value of the original, especially to collectors.

[@giklab]

I'd argue most lenses ever made were "stolen" designs, if for no other reason than the thousands, if not millions, of 50mm lenses produced through the years.

[@theangrymarmot8336]

There isn't any "theft" as most of the revered vintage lens are just copies of other designs - and the ones that aren't are either rare enough the average photographer can't afford them - or deteriorated enough that they aren't an accurate representation of the lens anyways. I hope all the "great" vintage lenses are recreated/copied so that way people can experience using them, instead of increasing rarity resulting in them being scuttled away in collections, and only those who can afford to spend thousands get to have the experience.

[@spajdude]

The triplet was a Cooke design, a fast anastigmat that only needed three elements. After the patent expired many, almost all, lens manufacturers started making their own triplets, and the Trioplan was only one of them. Zeiss, Rodenstock, Schneider, Voigtländer, Goerz, Ross, Busch, Wollensak, Kodak, Staeble, Enna, Steinheil, Ernemann, RÜO, Plaubel, Agfa, Ludwig, Friedrich, and so on, all made triplets. The lens manufacturers had their own engineers who tweaked the triplet design and came up with their own formulas, and I'm sure the TTArtisan design has been tweaked and uses different glass than the old Trioplan. The Trioplan itself was probably reformulated a couple of times since the 1920s.

[@rodcummings3606]

Thanks for your wonderful follow-up comparison video. I'm sure that you enjoyed putting both lenses through their paces, and you now have two 100mm f2.8 bubble bokeh lenses for your efforts. I do have to commend TTArtisan for producing such a faithful re-imagined lens. Particularly impressed with the comparion images of the rain on the roof of a car in bright sunlight. Different vintage lens would produce wildly different results and yet these two were amazingly similar. I've owned a Meyer-Optik Görlitz Primotar 135mm f3.5 for about a year and it's been alot of fun. It does suffer from many of the faults that you describe. Though that is part of the challenge and thrill of the chase. Mind you if I was in the market for the Trioplan then the TTArtisan is a no-brainer. I wonder what classic lenses are on their radar.

[@matsuomasato]

Very interesting video, thank you! I Hope this trend continues and we see more modern copies of old legendary lenses.

[@kenmonahan9924]

Great vid as always Simon, I ordered the TT on eBay for £123.50 after watching the first video and eagerly await delivery from China to mount on my SL2-S……happy days!

[@stephanweiskorn6760]

Excellent video 😊!

[@theatyhannington]

Sensational review! Thank you so much for doing this work, and sharing it with us. I love these modern lenses copying vintage lenses from TTArtisan, Pergear, Voigtlander, 7Artisans, Light Lens Lab, etc. I've not seen such a comprehensive, image dense, and worthwhile review of one before. I super appreciate it.

[@VibePhoton]

Just received the Ttartisan last week. So far I’m very impressed. Everything you have said about it seems to hold true. Using it on a Sony A7RII and it has been very easy to use.

[@RhettAnderson]

Thanks for this! The Trioplan images are more pleasing to me in the bubble bokeh photos. The bubble edges seem brighter and more distinct. And the Trioplan has less glow. The TTArtisan is great given the price, though. If I didn't already have a Trioplan, it would be a tough choice.

[@dlyon9673]

Thank you for another interesting, informative and well made review! TTartisan's 50mm f0.95 lens opened my eyes to the quality and value of their products, so I will definitely consider taking the plunge on this lens as well.

[@manichaean1888]

Thanks for your review. You have convinced me. My TTArtisan has arrived a couple of days ago and I like it very much )

[@Simonsutak]

Great to hear!

[@andyz_w3584]

Great video always, simon, i bought two old lenses after watched your videos, one is 13blads helio 44-2, another one is mir 37/2.8. can't wait for their biotar 80 and 13blads 44.

[@Badgerheist]

Thanks for a great comparison video. I have neither lens, but I'll keep the TTartisans lens in mind for future episodes of binge-buying. Some similar lenses I do have and enjoyed using are the Steinheil-Auto-Cassarit 1:3.5/100 and CZJ Triotar 1:4/135. The CZJ is a triplet, and I think the Steinheil might be, too. Both are fairly budget-friendly last time I looked and I have a Flickr album for each: AberratedSoul.

[@billkennon319]

The TTArtisan seems to have slightly higher contrast, richer colors and more saturation. The Trioplan performs more like what i remember from lenses in the 70's. Great review!

[@Vigges666]

Great review, thank you!

[@Nedski42YT]

The Trioplan bokeh balls remind me of Petri dishes filled with micro organisms. Maybe that's where you picked up the photography "bug?" 😁📷

[@wriggly]

The Trioplan is a lovely looking old girl. We all want character in a vintage lens, but at silly prices the chances of a problematic lens is not a risk I can afford. Impressed that the TTartisan recreates much of the charm of the Trioplan.

[@kruno7150]

I have trioplan (100,50 & 17 (c-mount)) and I will go for TTArtisan once it's on used market. On one side, i do welcome this move from lens manufacturer, but its competing with 50-60-70-...years old gear (and it's "flaws" that made it famous), and for many (me included) shooting with vintage lenses include doing a maintenance on them. anyways I would really like to see your review of Zeiss Triotar 135/4 and/or Feinmess Bonotar 105/4.5 and how they compare with Trioplan 100/2.8

[@alanguzsan]

Yes, I'd love a review of a CZJ Triotar 135mm f4

[@antontaranenko8824]

Thanks for the comparison 😊 The only thing, for these type of lens balsam separation can not be an issue,like on the old Trioplan, this is 3 elements lens without cemented duplets...

[@zenden6564]

Excellent review, thankyou sir ❤

[@TimberGeek]

Given the price I'm tempted to get one for my old M42 Mamiyas.

[@MattTaggart]

Oh dear - you’ve got me suffering from G.A.S. Simon. Great video!

[@100oiz]

Thanks!

[@russellbaston974]

My humble opinion the bubble bokeh ‘look’ of lenses like these ( and one can get a similar effect very cheaply reversing the front element of the old Russian Helios) can all too easily get cliched and tedious very quickly unless used with discretion. You buy one, use it for a week and then it hardly gets used again, for this reason and it’s only MY opinion it’s not worth spending too much on any ‘quirky’ lens, the Trioplan examples ( mechanical and optical conditions) I’ve seen are insanely overpriced for the claims of its‘magic’. So IF I was going to buy such it would be the TT.

[@snappy8k]

Pics from reversed Helios look like shit

[@alandaniel7606]

Brilliant video Simon and much appreciated. You just cost me some money, but I'm thinking it's the bargain of the year.

[@messylaura]

in quite a few of the comparisons i did prefer the tt over the trio, something that i did think of watching this one, how about a video on which vintage fast 50mm lenses are best for particular colours, like the mention in this one of the reds being shown better etc great video Simon

[@willlund2185]

Thanks for this comparison. I love that there's a manufacturer out there that's really trying to recreate vintage glass. Question: What's a lens you love that you would like to see get the same treatment?

[@Simonsutak]

Many thanks. I’d really like a modern spin on the Carl Zeiss Jena Biotar 75mm f1.5.

[@willlund2185]

That would be amazing to see. Easily would spend good $ for a modern comparable remake. @@Simonsutak

[@Sleve.McDichael]

​@@Simonsutakwhat about the new Meyer Optik Görlitz Biotar 75 f1.5 II? Pretty expensive, even more than some of the original Biotar 75, but looks promising and is available as a new lens so no dust, fungus, ...

[@Re-InCarNation]

I hope one of the Chinese companies makes a replica of the Helios-40 for a more affordable price.

[@princeharbinger]

You mean a replica of the Biotar 75mm F/1.5. The Helios 40 is a copy of that lens. I'd like to see TTArtisans make their own version of the Biotar as well. If they can make it better than the Helios copy that would be great.

[@scrptwic]

Simon I have the Pentax 100mm2.8 M Lens it would be nice to see a comparison. The thing I like about the lens is it has the same 49mm filter thread I can use my Takumar metal lens hood and the Ken's is not much bigger than a Pentax 50mm manuel lens

[@Oblivion751]

Hope they do a helios 40 clone next.And once again spot on review!

[@polkusin]

I wonder if the difference in the patterns inside the bokeh bubbles has something to do with different internal reflection characteristics? The Trioplan tube might have a slightly more reflective inside surface.

[@chrisdavies5255]

I'm enjoying my TTArtisan on my GFX medium format camera. A good example that thousands don't need to be spent on a good lens.

[@longsusan]

was it easy to clean the dust out the trioplan ,im looking for a video showing how but can't find any

[@KlipsenTube]

Funny how the "bubble bokeh" is deemed attractive, whereas the almost similar "donut bokeh" of catadioptric lenses is almost invariably frowned upon.

[@AlexanderRay92]

Unique M42 lenses on a helicoid m42 adapter is my favorite macro setup

[@vladislavgolovnya937]

May be it's better to use some of Jupiters line (8,9,37 A) to gain such effect and vintage look rather than new ttartisan? Or it's better for new age cameras in case of sharpnes and rendering?

[@wbhaable]

Can you take the glass element off from the TT Artisan ?

[@StephaanBOSS56]

Thank you very much for this video. I ordered one yesterday. Eager to get out and use it. Looking at your review, it is indeed quite a risk to buy the original MOG. How is the MOG 100mm f2.8 Mark II doing compared to the TTartisan in fact?

[@stillinthestream]

What a great comparison! Loved looking back-and-forth between the two images. To be honest, I want one of each, although the dust specks in the old lens would be frustrating. Biggest surprise to me was the clarity of the letters on the lens in the close-up shots. I liked the look of the vintage lens better. But I like the less muddy tones of the newer lens better.

[@killpop8255]

Like little circular rainbows in some shots.

[@KNURKonesur]

Do the elements in the front also unscrew on the TTartisan lens?

[@Simonsutak]

No, not like the Trioplan.

[@blotafton]

Very interesting test! One question, what was the white balance setting when comparing colors? If it was on auto it could make the Trioplan look brown when it was actually more blue/cold. It's important to use a fixed white balance when comparing colors. I also got the TTArtisan and think it has a slightly warm color rendering.

[@Simonsutak]

Good question and point. I used a variety of white balance settings across the cameras. When I get my FF Sony a7IV back from repair, I'll do some formal FF test shot comparisons with both lenses on the same camera and if the colour conclusions differ with that camera in any way I'll report back. When I used my Sony a7IV with the TTArtisan, I would describe the TTArtisan's colours as "clean" rather than warm, or slightly warm. But it's all relative - that's probably because I use a variety of radioactive lenses as well and they are can be very warm!

[@setrak13]

Hello Simon thank you very much for these fantastic videos which show so much about vintage lenses. If you ever have time, here's a question: on several lenses (smc takumar 28mm, domiplan 50mm etc) when i screw the lens it stays at full aperture. the little piece of iron that closes the diaphragm is not blocked by the M42 ring. The only solution I've found is to glue this piece of iron in place. do you think this is normal? thank you!

[@Simonsutak]

Hi, many thanks for your kind words. The Takumar lenses should stop down OK on most adapters. Unless it's a faulty lens. You have to made sure the M/A switch on the back of the lens is set the right way, otherwise it the aperture will stay open. If moving the M/A switch doesn't help, then you should look on-line for a M42 adapter that will work with M42 lenses. My K&F Concept adapters work well. Some other vintage lenses do need modifications to the pin at the back. Here's a good video on one mod. if you don't want to use glue. I've used this approach on other lenses. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3PbfaGsmq9lr7c There are one or two lenses where I've had to saw off pieces from the back of lenses! The Fujinon M42 lenses are the main culprits. Hope this helps. Cheers, Simon

[@setrak13]

Hi, thank you very much for your detailed answer. I'll try it with the K&F ring. However, I already have an original Pentax ring for my Pentax K5. As for the Fuji, I agree! I can't screw it all the way on! However, it's strange because the Helios 58mm doesn't pose a problem, but the Domiplan 50mm remains wide open. Anyway, thank you, thank you!@@Simonsutak

[@Minotauros5]

Hi Simon, I noticed that you flashed across the screen that you polished your Trioplan. Could you maybe share how you did that? Or possibly even do a tutorial video on how you did it? I actually have two Meyer-Optik lenses that are in dire need of cleaning/polishing. As always, love your videos.

[@Simonsutak]

Hi. I purchased a Meyer-Optik Gorlitz Primotar E 50mm f3.5 for not a lot of money a few years ago. It had fungus, dust etc. on the inside and the body of the lens was in a poor state too. No rust or dings, but the metal looked like it had corroded or at least was very dull and tarnished. With nothing much to lose, I got a tin of silver polish (the polish that comes with a cloth inside, not the liquid version), and polished the metal. More of an experiment than an informed solution. The metal turned almost black after some wipes. After more work cleaning off the blackened polish, the metal was clean and shiny-er! The lens looks a good deal better than it did before. And since then I've cleaned my silver metal lenses with silver polish, if they need it. (I don't go mad on polishing). After polishing the lens, I take a ear bud dipped in some industrial alcohol and carefully try to remove any polish that is left down in the engraved letters/numbers. Otherwise the numbers will be whiter rather than black or coloured. Hope this helps. Someone may tell us it's a terrible idea but it works for me.

[@Minotauros5]

Thank you,@@Simonsutak That is great information and I will try that. Thanks again.

[@Simonsutak]

@@Minotauros5 Pleasure. Just one other point. Don't try this on nickel plated gear, for example the nickel plated struts to old folding cameras. The silver polish will take off the plating down to the core metal (e.g brass).

[@Sinar-c]

I hope you havent answered this question before. I have a Pentax K1. Does this lens function normally with a standard Pentax M 42 to K mount adapter. ie. Does it focus as it should from 0.9 m to infinity without any issues.

[@Simonsutak]

Hi, yes it works normally on a K1 from 0.9 m. Except on my K1 it focusses just past infinity.

[@FrankyFeedler]

Cemented groups and balsam separation? I was not aware that the trioplan/domiplan triplet design has any cemented pairs. Are you sure?

[@Simonsutak]

Apologies, this was more of a generic list of problems with old lenses, not specifically the Trioplan.

[@FrankyFeedler]

@@Simonsutak No apology needed! I was genuinely curious. That list definitely details what is the Pandora’s Box of buying vintage glass. Even worse is the younger ‘vintage’ glass. A Meyer Oreston with separation: the faulty doublet goes in the oven and is fixed. A Zeiss Contax G 35mm: very strong adhesive that needs a costly, expert separation and repair, while apparently still being susceptible to separation. Balsam stood the test of time much better, IMO.

[@maciejryglewicz9775]

and the winner is ... Primotar 135mm 😊

[@carlosquijano2827]

Do I need an adapter in order to use the TT with a Nikon Z camera?

[@Simonsutak]

I'm not a Nikon user, but apparently you need to have one of those M42 to Nikon adapters with glass, so the lens can focus to infinity.

[@abdallah_m]

Actually just a regular adapter (without glass) would work for Z-mount Nikons, as these are mirrorless. Just look up “M42-Z adapter”. K&F Concept ones are generally good quality and not that expensive.

[@julesfisher3551]

Simon, Did you try stripping, cleaning the Trioplan then running the test shots? As I wonder as there is dust in the lens if there is grease sublimation as well reducing the optical performance. I have noticed with some of my old lenses, the performance is considerably improved after a comprehensive service.

[@Simonsutak]

Yes, I did and you’re right. Dust, grease and surface haze can reduce optical performance. For example, with my Trioplan the surface haze reduced contrast and produced a more washed out look to images.

[@julesfisher3551]

@@Simonsutak So the image where you identified the presence of dust in the bokeh bubbles, was that pre-clean?

[@Simonsutak]

@@julesfisher3551 Yes. The insides had enough gunk inside that the seller on eBay sold me the lens as spare or repair.

[@julesfisher3551]

@@Simonsutak Sounds like you secured a winner. You stripped & serviced yourself?

[@Simonsutak]

@@julesfisher3551 Yes! Triplets are pretty simple but you never know if a tiny ball bearing or spring is going to shoot out across the floor! I left the blades in place....

[@jimbimedia]

I would go for the M mount. The adapters are not as long.

[@self-retorik]

A quand le Biotar TTartisan ? 🙂

[@kyon_03]

What if they make this AF :O

[@spajdude]

Oh yes, the "Trioplan" fad. The Trioplan was just one of many many triplet lenses back in the day, affordable lenses for amateurs. I do think the triplet design deserves a comeback as a cheap alternative and for the nostalgia, and so does the Tessar design, the dialyte, and the Heliar (real Heliar).

[@zoltankaparthy9095]

Trioplan

[@mamo4104]

At 5:24 (aside from the dust issue) 7:20 and 13:46 comparing the two images of the lenses, the Trioplan is clearly much sharper with better color rendition than TTArtisan! 4:12 Having the Trioplan on a crop sensor camera and the TT Artesan on a full-frame camera even on a crop setting the images out of the two cameras are NOT directly comparable. The images out of the full frame camera even at crop setting are going to be far superior compared to the images of Trioplan, a full frame lens on a crop sensor camera. Then there are other issues like the sensor resolution and sensor quality. A fair and accurate comparison would of course be to have both lenses on exactly two equal cameras with equal settings.

[@Getoffmycloud53]

Why isn’t TTArtisan producing this lens in other mounts than m42? Seems like they are limiting their market. Sure we have adapters, but this is a new lens.

[@ba-ba2542]

For me, the Trioplan is the winner, by a whisker. Although you'll pay a premium for such a small improvement.

[@tikkathreebarrels]

I wonder if your $800 Trioplan might have been one of the current manufacture lenses and not a vintage/legacy lens?

[@Simonsutak]

It’s could have been! I suppose that’s the price that a second hand version of the current manufactured lenses might go for. But no, the one I referred to in the video was an original Trioplan.

[@kostasb3570]

New vintage lenses in a good price! Glad chinese manufacturers started!

[@JACKnJESUS]

Pretty clear the TTartisan has exceeded the vintage Trioplan...in the ways that count.

[@ggrancharov]

This "review" seems a bit biased, most likely because of the referral link. At 8:36-ish the TT clearly shows glow issues and the Meyer doesn't. In most of the images the Meyer also seems a little sharper. Also, dust is just dust - this lens can be cleaned very easily because of its design. And bottom-line, buying the Meyer is also a good investment, they are only getting more expensive over the years, while getting a TT won't even allow you to get the money you got it for - so if you can afford it, get the original Trioplan, clean it up and use the "real thing".

[@Simonsutak]

I understand why you say this but I think you’re being a little unfair. The video wasn’t meant to be a review, but a series of images taken with each lens, so viewers can see how they perform. Sadly my Sony FF camera is being repaired so I can’t do direct head to head comparisons for a while (Sony are not being very helpful on info.). I don’t think I ever said the TTArtisan was better. My conclusion is that it gives you the vintage lens experience and soap bubble bokeh at a good price. For what it’s worth I’m on holiday right now and I’ve brought the MOG Trioplan, but I’m lucky to own both. On the dust, my copy had dust, hairs and some surface haze on the inner optics. It created dust bunnies in the shots and also a slightly hazy contrast in the sun. Partly madness and partly necessity, I opened it all up for a clean. I know not everyone would be prepared to do that with an expensive old lens.

[@theangrymarmot8336]

It isn't biased at all. Stop using negative accusations to try to justify your differing opinion. This video was a great comparison between an average condition vintage lens and a modern recreation. He is the one looking at the images directly, you are watching a video, compressed, over a streaming service. Your "seems" is invalid because of this. On a personal note - I find anyone who uses the term "investment," "real thing," and "if you can afford it" to be completely missing the point of photography in general, and bordering on "gatekeeping." Talking resale on a $150 dollar lens is hilariously silly and irrelevant.

[@ggrancharov]

@@theangrymarmot8336 Of course vintage lenses ARE an investment and the lens we talk about goes for about $700+ on the secondary, if in good condition. I think having gear that keeps its value or even increases it is actually very relevant to photography or filmmaking and this isn't gatekeeping. Also the 'modern recreation' of that lens has already been done by Meyer itself a few years ago, so the TT is at best a cheap copy of the design. That being said, its a KZbin comment section where viewers post their opinions - and as someone who own's the trioplan I posted mine.

[@user-id2bm9hw3i]

I think the Trioplan is better. More character

[@mamo4104]

I have both lenses and my copy of Trioplan is excellent, paid $525 for it. I shot many pictures using both lenses on two full-frame cameras on tripods next to each other. Clearly, the colors and bokeh texture and rendering of the Trioplan were superior, sharper, and more natural hence more vintage. The TTArtisan has a digital/artificial look to it, and the images at f2.8 are soft and absolutely not usable. TT Artesan's best and only f-stop is 3.5 for best bokeh results.

[@sammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm]

feel sorry for Meyer-Optik Gorlitz at this point since they sold it to chinese company, now those chinese companies just copy all their design and reproducing a rebrand lens and killing Meyer-Optik Gorlitz bit by bit. i still a big friend of the original and not interested to the copycat version. seem the original still better than the copy version after many years anyway.

[@theangrymarmot8336]

Tell me you don't know what you are talking about without telling me you don't know what you are talking about................................

[@jimbimedia]

There are lots of “copied” lens formulas in the industry and I appreciate the Chinese for making these available. Proprietorship has also been carried on to a ridiculous degree over generations. Humanity progresses through “copying” and legacy anticompetitiveness should not be eternal.

[@seanho3095]

The tint and color difference is because they are on different cameras! Pentax is always more eye-pleasing than Sony does!

[@Simonsutak]

No, I respectfully disagree. The colour differences between the cameras are subtle, even less in raw, (and I’m sure you know Pentax use Sony seniors albeit tweaked). Have another look at the different sky/cloud colours in my comparison shots - that’s not camera related, it’s lens related

[@seanho3095]

when you import the raw files into LR, you will notice that the temperature and tint are not the same opening in default ADB standard, even if both are set into the same K, like 5600K on both cameras! it shows that the color engines are different in interpreting colors though on the same sensors! (wish that the comparison is not based on AWB, which is an idiot doing when comparing color rendition!) @@Simonsutak

[@dondons5688]

If this was a true comparison you would have used the same camera on a tripod and just interchanged the lens for each photo. Disappointing!

[@Simonsutak]

Yes, agreed - sorry to disappoint you. I did do that for the sharpness test. I'll post some more photos using your suggestion sometime later this year, when I have the time. This is all I've got right now, showing the lenses in a variety of settings, and I thought it was worth sharing.

[@UhShush]

Спасибо большое, очень красноречиво!

[@chrisloomis1489]

Get a good original.