Tripping my Balls off and Facing a $25,000 Overbet

[@jarrodfulton]

Gotta call river as played , dude sets him up and forces a bluff but then folds , especially against this kind of player

[@justinhart7172]

Maybe if hero checks river he can call on the ocean

[@pot_kivach160]

You got it, man!

[@AEB177]

😂😂😂

[@foxpaintball6831]

Maybe if hero open folds turn he doesn't have to jump in the ocean 😂

[@justinkarp15]

Bart you've taught me so much. Been listening to you every morning while I throw packages for USPS. Keep up the good work🤘

[@jonnysfishingadventures9959]

Best be careful with my packages 😂 jk

[@lulws4940]

Lol ur done buddy, just sent this to the ceo of packages

[@switchbackfive]

I really enjoy the in depth play by play analysis of higher stakes live stream hands. It adds a lot of content value talking through it with the player who was in the hand and hearing their thoughts in the moment with some overlayed video clips. You do a great job breaking down the math and psychology. Thanks Bart!

[@dealerG]

The caller has a big leak when it comes to capped ranges and MDF (minimum defense frequency). The caller doesn't understand that he shouldn't get to the river with an Ace after checking behind twice, so his range is capped to very few QJs/JTs, KK, QQ, TT, 99, and non-pair broadway like KQs that might have backed into a flush. Villain sounds like an aggro Reg so he will have TT-99 but most importantly he will also have some suited non-pair broadway like KQs (that didn't make a flush) here as a bluff because it blocks Hero's KK-QQ MDF calls, and for this sizing Villain will have AdKd/AxQx/AhJh and JJ for value. KK and QQ are simply calls as played, afriad to say Hero was exploited on this one.

[@supersaiyanhen9863]

So does the hero just have to call 100 on the river? Or can does he have to randomize calls and folds to like a 40/60 ratio?

[@dealerG]

@@supersaiyanhen9863 KsKc is the worst combo to call with since it doesn't block any AKs, similarly QsQc doesn't block any AQs so any folding frequency of KK/QQ by a human would be those combos in particular. All other combos are pure calls as played.

[@italianwaterice9594]

easy to say after you see the conclusion,, AK,AQ A10s will all check that flop and turn to set up a big river bet,, thanks for your hot air

[@joshmullins4849]

I think best way to play this post is to bet small flop, bet small turn, check back river. This gets us the most value from worse hands (many hands call flop, probably only QQ among worse hands calls turn) and also keeps us out of nightmare situations. It’s almost impossible for villain to do anything but check all streets in that scenario. Our range and position totally hand cuffs him. If we do get raised we have a comfortable fold because we are so protected here. When we go check back twice we have really opened ourselves up to this play from villain (and yes he can do this with Jx for value now) so we can only do it if we expect villain to find enough bluffs. So we either made a mistake playing it this way or we made a mistake folding river. Or both.

[@Eastcoastwes92]

This is insightful and nobody else talking about it. Hero almost certainly wins this pot if he cbets small with range as he should in 4! Pot. Villain can't x/r too much as bluff because hero range is protected. I think check back turn prob better but idk. Hero can't just blast if we check back turn because we can have an A that doesn't need protection and wants to induce river bluff to raise. But his line of check back twice screams marginal holding

[@jacobbirkenfeld9261]

There’s no way I’d go and introduce myself to Bart Hanson after eating 1/2oz of shrooms 🤣 guys got moxie.

[@spaffron4285]

I don't like them in public anymore... I can handle doses no problem though

[@well.thy.one.]

Lol cant imagine even being in a casino, at least not on the come up...maybe after things have settled

[@pricekeene511]

Yea a half zip of mushrooms is a lot.

[@GhostRider-dp2tc]

Break on through to the other side

[@supersmoo7377]

No offense to the caller but with the amount of people who call into this show who can’t count simple combos is astounding. Especially for people who play higher stakes. It shows that live poker is easily beatable.

[@WorldsPhattestMan]

Normally I could go either way with these call-ins but that looked a clear call to me. Amongst all the other factors (stream game, gave him rope etc...), when hero checks twice in-position, his hand absolutely looks like either a monster that's trapping or QQ / KK....so....if villain had value, why the overbet? If you're putting the caller on QQ / KK or traps, you bet smaller with value to get a call or to lose the minimum when you run into it. An overbet makes absolutely no sense at all and it stinks of the OOP player realising the caller had a showdown value hand and he needed to act to bluff him off of it or it would go x/x and he'd lose

[@sethshapiro5973]

An over bet with value makes a ton of sense because you’re so nutted that villain either believes you or doesn’t. If I have JJ I’m betting huge here and hopes he was trapping w an ace.

[@kzkilla808]

As played I'd have a hard time folding river specifically against t9000. I think hero missed a bet on turn tho. Like a small delayed cbet of 4-5K probably would have saved some headache on river.

[@paxmaniac1]

Except if he faces a checkraise on the turn, then he's playing for stacks with a bluff catcher.

[@Gibraltariano]

Yeah, but he was playing T1000, what do you do versus him?

[@blazeron12]

Checking it down while becoming increasingly fearful of your opponent is so odd. T1000 showed no strength until the river.

[@markfromct2]

agreed

[@oldmancannabis3026]

I was in Vegas for the Phish 4 day sphere run. I was expecting more heads to be playing poker but there really wasn't that many so this caller makes me happy!

[@finalflameKorisky]

I was thinking as played we should call a lot vs t1000. He's just so much more prone to get after it and we played too passively despite being the 4better pre. Never folding to any size vs t1000 in this spot and God bless if I run into it

[@32266ms]

I was thinking as played we should bet the turn a sizable amount like we're going for value (14K). If he raises, we fold. If he calls and bets the river, we fold. Checking the turn kind of green lights him taking a shot with a hand like he had.

[@markfromct2]

This is the BEST. Thank you for calling in . I watched this stream GL GL GL

[@JQpoker]

I like the marc goone c bet check turn bluff catch line here. especially vs T1000

[@justinkauffman731]

My friend and I were in the main event day 1. He is a wild player and was out after 6 hours. Apparently he got dosed by someone and ended up in a short-handed 200-400 fixed limit and was up 30 grand vs California pros. when I got back to the Bellagio to sleep after day 1 I saw him in the poker room and he could only say "I'm in the zone - I am willing the cards, bro."

[@sethshapiro5973]

They didn’t consider the one combo of AA either. The big question here is if villain sees a flop with suited ace rags. If villain is as tricky as hero says and they’re pretty deep, I think we have to give villain all the ace rags. I think optional line is to bet small on turn and then check behind on river.

[@michaelbryant2652]

Why is quads even a consideration?? JJ starts pumping $ in on turn hoping Afull comes along to get all in on River. Line as played screamed villain had 1010-77. I would have had a hard time flicking in 25k though too tbh, but I would at least bet Turn and get all non Ax&Jx combos to fold and hope to check back River with show down value

[@Unhingedanduninformed]

Finally, the poker situation I most relate to!

[@Fred-rg5vw]

Other than the stakes being scary for most people I don't see any particularly clever play at these bigger stakes.. Its just the amount of money involved that would make most people play careful / scared Re this hand. Snap fold. Surely he never bets that much without an ace...havent seen reveal yet. Well there you go. 99. Lol It's not being scared by the stakes that plays a big part. If that was $25 instead of $25,000 to call...different situation. I'm not risking 25k on a punt.

[@EasyStreetPoker]

and thats why u don't play high stakes case and point! You would get bluffed out of your shoes!

[@CaseyR89]

Anyone have a link to the video where the profitable UTH game was discussed?

[@Jesters_Thorny_Crown]

I enjoy poker on LSD. occasionally a couple of us go to the casino in Aurora and play while tripping. It’s a lot of fun.

[@charlesschwaboverhere5582]

Are there any advantages or disadvantages for you worth sharing?

[@Jesters_Thorny_Crown]

@@charlesschwaboverhere5582 I can’t say there are. Not to any degree of attributing it to a causal connection. There have been times where I became very disked in to body language and things like that, but I’ve had that happen without drugs to some degree. I usually let people know at some point that I’m tripping. Gets rid of the “do they know??” vibe because now we all know (though pretty often there’s those who just don’t believe me). I’m just as likely to feel like everyone is watching me or forget the totality of the action at hand. I’d say that if anything, I’d prefer the times I’ve played under light doses of MDMA. LIKE .04-.06.

[@SeanMcCarthy-u8s]

I ate shrooms and played one night. Didnt really help me get read on people. Figured it was worth a shot

[@Jesters_Thorny_Crown]

@@SeanMcCarthy-u8s you need a larger sample size. If you can get into that flow state, it can certainly accentuate it.

[@sethshapiro5973]

I enjoy playing on about 30mg of edibles. I feel like I’m the guy from Limitless.

[@EricEmery-vl3zo]

Quick question, is anyone familiar with Rivers in des plains IL? For the 5/10 game max buy in $5k what type of bankroll should you have for that game vs the bankroll needed for the 2/5 game $1 k max buy in?

[@datsumcrzysht]

$100k vs. $20k

[@EricEmery-vl3zo]

Thank you.

[@leslieandclash7030]

Depends on ur win rate. You’d have to be crushing for 20k to cover a 1k buy in

[@patrickjordan2233]

I agree with datsun... But if I can may I expound the WHY. Buy-ins = bullets/ammo. "Variance" can be considered a sine wave...? No one can reliability predict where on the sine wave one plugs in... Insufficient bankrolls can't withstand encountering neg variance initially (plus step up 'experience costs"..). Anyone can do whatever...but sound financial prudence dictates being sufficiently bankrolled... What hugely sucks... Is finding a juicy game, and going broke from variance before capitalizing on the juiciness of the game...

[@EricEmery-vl3zo]

@@patrickjordan2233 Would it make more since to just buy into that game at $500 and not the full $1,000 max?

[@GBRB30]

You have to factor in whether T1000 knows this is the biggest game/pot you've been involved in. Significantly increases the bluff frequency. I'd have called as i give him QQ/TT/99 (18 combinations minus a discount on QQ plus a little for some other weird combos because T1000). That means you need to find about 30 combos where he's beating you to fold and i cant get anywhere near that.

[@sethshapiro5973]

You can if we start throwing in suited ace rags.

[@GotexFirewall]

Also, theres only one combo of AKs and 3 combos of AKo, and 8 combos of AQ. I think hero AND villain checking the turn showed signs of weakness and that neither one has AJ, AK or AQ bc either flop or turn, the player is going to want to value their hand. if villain had Jx I could see him checking turn in case he puts Hero on AQ or AK due to the 4 bet, then extracting value on river after seeing hero check turn and giving away the value of his hand on the board. And in that case, unless he absolutely knows ur hand is KK or worse on this board, overbetting the pot is BOLD. Def a tank call here but I can see how the lack of info and experience in this situation could lead to a fold.

[@herts9999]

T1000. You call that guy with that hand.

[@LoLleavemealonePLZ]

Honestly, Ax would always bet turn from OOP to not miss value. Jx would likely do the same if it's gone check check on the flop. Flush draw may continue to check but really only 1 combo that would call 4bet pre, which would also have the straight draw, so would likely be betting on flop/turn. If you've gone check check, check check, anticipating a bluff, and then folding when opponent makes a huge overbet, I think you're scared money. "They did what I wanted them to do and I folded like a piece of garden furniture"

[@italianwaterice9594]

he can set up a big river overbet by checking

[@spaffron4285]

No shit I'm a moe. ron this guys story checks out haha

[@paulgibbons-keynotespeaker]

Great point about KK being way better than QQ as a call...

[@Dylan-vm4gl]

Love this caller

[@SNBSTL]

Signed up to WPTGold, thanks for the content

[@32266ms]

Why can't villain have QQ? And why wouldn't you count AA and AK as value hands? Is it that he'd always 5! AA? But AK seems like a clear call to the 4!. So value that beats us are AK, AQ, AJ, JJ (17) and hands we beat are KK, QQ, TT (13). 13/17 > 4/7 = call. Is that right? I'm trying to get the math down. If bluffs/value > pot odds, then call? I know that KK is actually a tie. And suited vs unsuited would shave some hairs in one direction or another. But, in theory, is (bluffs/value > pot odds, then call) correct?

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

The other thing is whether all hands actually get played this way. Does AK/AQ/JJ always check the turn after hero checks back flop? Does QQ/TT always bluff the river?

[@MichaelTilton]

The way I look at it at the River, is that I lose to any A or any J, and there are only four of those out there. There are plenty of pairs out there, Qs, 10s, 9s and even some others at lower frequencies. I'm not sure I fold here, and I wouldn't be surprised at either result. I'd expect to win more often than not, as played out. Also, the lead out on the river looks suspect IMHO for the amount. I'd like to think I'd call here. But we never know till we are in that spot.

[@pokerandtravel6946]

Bart When you count the numbers for value and bluff combos maybe you are making a mistake, IMO. The value combos will always bet river after hero checked behind twice. 100% frequency for value to be betting. But the bluff combos don’t always bluff. The frequency of TT bluffing the river cannot be 100%. There is a frequency of give ups.

[@JohnSmith-nx7zj]

But do the value combos always check turn?

[@srohack]

In reality when it goes double straddle and that is not ur normal game ur 4betbrange will be more tight then ur non straddle game 4b range . So saying u can have a4 a5 here is not realistical . And even ak u will call alot

[@GotoyourhomeBall]

Small turn bet from hero is better than folding riv to one bet. Either that or we call riv vs this player.

[@charleslevy9305]

when the fuck is check check over bet ever a nuttted hand. I was making that bluff as a freshmen in high school online! I would snap called. easy call

[@izzie211107]

ng.his bet smelt like 10's or 9's all day long....

[@paulgibbons-keynotespeaker]

Checking back is a pretty big error I think QQ TT 99 88 QJs JTs can spike for free which is a disaster... we just bet 20 percent pot as we would with our whole range... as played, if we bet 30 percent turn, he probably has to call QQ and the problem with this line we look like QQ/ KK - so we've capped our range

[@paulgibbons-keynotespeaker]

And this deep, 65s and 76s can call the 4 bet

[@noodles6175]

Good thing caller is clearly successful elsewhere in life :)

[@mattfox5933]

I like a call here. The guy would’ve had to check flop and turn with an ace. Doubtful. I think if he has a jack we just pay it off. There are so many air balls here we gotta stick in the call

[@frogblues]

This was a fold out of fear of high stakes. Say the pot was $480 and it was $250 to call Kenny makes that call every time.

[@jimduggan8382]

flop and turn go x,x then there are quite a few flushes that got there, 56s,67s,78s,89s,9Ts,QTs and KTs

[@wxx3]

❤as played, it's a call for me

[@pot_kivach160]

H played ALL STREETS wrong! Including PF. 4-bet must be larger (5x) on this splashy table. Then, flop/turn/river actions are self explanatory. One thing catches the mind: H said that he checked flop as a trapping tool. SO: what happened to the trap on later streets??? Trapped himself?

[@Mr.Muckington]

5x 4 bet lol. Are you insane 😂 piosolver says you ride the short bus to the casino

[@TheEpicReach]

This basically. Turned his hand extremely face up by the river. I don't think anyone plays A4 or A5 this way in any circumstance. I think a very small cbet or delayed cbet like he was planning (for both, he said) either takes it down or gets him to showdown for much cheaper. I get the biggest pot nerves, I would probably fold at the end of I somehow got there like that too, but what he said he wanted to go on every street and what he did were opposites.

[@joncorb540]

You can't really think the hand will just check down all the way in a game like this, can you? The whole point of checking back and playing pot control is because a worse hand won't call, but it might bluff after you've shown so much weakness. Stick to your plan and call the river bluff that you've likely induced. If he has it, then you tap the table. This is only a fold against a player who you know isn't capable.

[@chriskapralos5631]

I believe this hand was a fifty fifty. It’s easy to say shucks he had nines but honestly I can’t believe anything after the hand. He could very well have 99 but here’s another case. He could have aa. He’s not gonna bet with quads. He’s gonna hope someone flops a king. And let’s not forget. He called 9000 pre flop people don’t do that with junk. Just my thoughts

[@wachtwoord5796]

There's no KJs available

[@TheDjcarter1966]

Before reveal on river it's gotta be a fold, don't see what you beat literally only QQ. Only thing he could have done differently was bet flop or turn $10k and fold to a raise.

[@mrhumble2937]

On these streams I'm calling down almost anything. People like to bluff way more then a reg game.

[@smokinjoe4709]

Never fold to that guy - don't care about the math. I've seen it too many times from him, it's what he does.

[@WesBundy82]

My thought process would of been that he doesnt want me to call.. He is not expecting me to call... So I should call.

[@noThankyou-g5c]

how is there only one AQ?

[@williamfergusonbrown1996]

God this game is brilliant

[@Poppaaaaa]

i think the shot taking has affected the play. in my normal game i'm just cbetting flop

[@jpscott7174]

Tough spot. Interesting hand. I like the fold. Hero’s not super invested in the hand at this point given the action post flop. Well played. I played a similar hand a while back and he showed me the A10 but that was at 2/3. Nice analysis as always Bart 🙏

[@jamesmcginn6291]

I haven't seen the reveal yet. I just want to say that after Bart did the math on it all, I would have folded. But in reality I probably would have called.

[@jamesmcginn6291]

Owe.

[@EllieBanks333]

Then Bart did you a disservice. This is an easy snap call as played.

[@liudizzle]

This is a snap call against T1000

[@kenlovelessjr1]

What about KK?

[@bassfishingnyc9983]

The checking both times is so weak he had to bet

[@Ohrami]

I think this is a clearly overbluffed line. Recreationals almost never check two streets with trip aces or quads here. The sizing isn't likely something you'll see with Jx. Villain has a ton of garbage, and can easily overbluff if it isn't modulated. Hero's analysis is giving straddle way, way, way too tight of a range, and even with that one, it is a call.

[@dealerG]

Agreed, Hero is capped to very few Jacks over Aces and has only 1 combo of flush in KsQs by the river.

[@Ohrami]

@@dealerG Flushes are never taking this sizing, though. A flush is too strong to be turned into a bluff, and too weak to be used as value. As OOP (villain in this hand), your opponent is very unlikely to have a nutted hand that beats a flush, as he has capped himself twice by checking back a board which is extremely strong for his range and, if he has a strong hand, his precise hand. As OOP, your opponent has pretty much completely capped himself, and I would expect to almost never run into a strong hand like aces full or better here. Against a capped range like that, it's clear that an overbet is warranted, and against opponents who clearly don't slow-play enough (I actually think checking the flop is a pure mistake, and indicative of an uncomfortable capped range like KK/QQ) and are highly aggressive (4betting you preflop with weak off-suit aces), you should in fact overbluff them and expect them to fail to meet MDF with their incredibly weak and capped range. As you see, the hero in this hand actually folded KK, which means he is likely folding nearly 100% of his range in this spot. Were I in villain's shoes, I would also overbluff this spot.

[@dealerG]

@@Ohrami I said *Hero* can have a flush in this line, it's failrly clear Villain never has a flush with this sizing that is Aces full or Quad Jacks. I agree though, if I were Villain I'm bluffing TT-99 and KQ here vs players who don't meet their MDF.

[@brandonmurphy894]

Mushrooms and poker ......priceless

[@matteframe]

so was he tripping during this hand?

[@pieman2010]

This seems like an easy call. But its $25K

[@MikeyD8716]

I know it’s not my money but I’ve seen T1000 play and because of that I would have called down.

[@lisamartin7442]

For some reason I thought psychedelics were involved 😅

[@GhostRider-dp2tc]

Silky...That is what pocket 9's and not lossing this pot can do, IF...If you got the balls, not the brains....buy it for a chip and see..

[@1234567Aesop]

Grateful dead show, tripping. Balanced range

[@WokeSteve]

Scared money.

[@Swappendeer]

10prosent on the flop and he folds

[@nicolasfat]

Title 😂

[@hsubox]

Should have bet 1/2 on turn to see where he was at. Would have helped him narrow down his range for a cheap price.

[@gleepglop839]

Its recteational

[@Spherex]

Terrible fold.

[@knip7095]

Why do you look like a ups supervisor

[@EricA-xd9fn]

That hand was such a mess. It's bad enough you have to dodge all the Ax-suited combos, but then the Turn binks all the guys who floated KJ, QJ, JT.

[@Dadon897]

U just don't go crazy. You got like at least 70 percent vs these hands. Jus roll with it

[@Dadon897]

And he didn't float because it went check check bro y don know what you talm bout

[@CNCTEMATIC]

you're shameless with the click baiting...

[@Apocalypse_Promotions]

First comment

[@32266ms]

Fail! J/K lol

[@izzie211107]

quality...

[@wirmerflagge999]

why did this guy even call in?

[@wirmerflagge999]

bart ... let's talk about it after he bets on the turn ... yeah?

[@wirmerflagge999]

it always comes down to this - what would Ivey do pre flop? on a 4 bet? he'd go all in with KK, and take the pot ... and ... and if one of you guys called, he'd win. all this hemming and hawing, my dude. it's almost feminine. be a man. take down the pot. and move on.

[@noThankyou-g5c]

how is there only one AQ?