Triumph Forsaken: The Vietnam War, 1954-1965

[@minhkhoi88]

I would further say, as a student of Clausewitz, the reason why the VC won, is not thanks to "red Chinamen and USSR", but because they escalated to absolute war for a limited objective. This is the case for any war that the local populace can perceive to be defensive, or patriotic. The idea that one can view Vietnam, or Soviet-era Afghanistan, or Afghanistan today, without considering their patriotic components, is the very reason why the Americans have not learned a thing in 40 years

[@retepish]

I want to see these documents he spoke of.

[@jeradclark8533]

People should stop criticizing the US for trying to stop communism. First of all the Vietkong did indeed establish a brutal regime that persecutes Hmong to this day and we all know what communists in Cambodia did. Second of all, the US did step back and mind its own business for the first 140 years of its existence. It was an isolationist country, like Japan in the Edo period. They stayed back and watched fascism grow and regretted it. When communism came around they said never again.

[@inouelenhatduy]

+Jerad Clark bro realy ? go and see hmong in vietnam they live fines only hmong in laos are still hiding and fighting

[@inouelenhatduy]

+Jerad Clark until you see your own eye and see our country dont talk shit about our gov or our country

[@rawills5339]

What about USSR fighter pilots?

[@land4citizens]

This problem started with the French involving themselves in the affairs of a people thousands of miles away from France. This speech is about the post colonial era. Ho Chi Minh already picked which side would help him and his people. What about Ho Chi Minh fighting the Japanese with the help of the OSS? What about the rearming of 60,000 Japanese POWs just days after the Japanese surrender, 1945, to go fight Ho Chi Minh after he was our ally just days prior? Truman turned on Ho for what?

[@trangvy1012]

With all due respect, you have to gather facts before forming opinion, study before mạking argument

[@redknight3876]

The Vietnam War, the Second Indochina War, was a civil war between Vietnamese belligerents: the U.S. military intervention in the war ought not to have gone beyond the advisory role to the South Vietnamese armed forces and the supply of arms and other war materiel to South Vietnam. The Vietnamese belligerents should have been left to fight it out among themselves.

[@land4citizens]

Very illuminating. Regarding the 60s, why not go further back to 00s, 10s, 20s, ....oh they are over too. I could care less what Ho wanted for his country. It was none of our business nor the French. Oh I forgot ...LOL LOL LOL

[@00Tathagata]

War is a racket. We were in Vietnam (and Indochina in general) to prevent any successful development of the region, which might occur out of the reach of the banking masters of New York and London. In that, the holocaust-like campaign of destruction waged by my country was arguably successful. In other words, when viewed from this (IMO, the most fundamental, and illuminating, perspective) the US in fact won the war. We got what we wanted then, and today, even more so.

[@rogerwilcoshirley2270]

00Tathagata. OMG what ignorant drivel. I can’t believe such incoherent irrational garbage. Then again, the majority of white guys out there struggled to get thru HS. These guys are barely literate and have no concept of the educated mind much less what it takes to get there. We should all thank God our national security is not in the hands of these ineffective misguided fools.

[@ARBBFamily]

I had to stop listening. what Vietnam are you talking about?

[@minhkhoi88]

That is besides the point. Vietnam and the rest of the third world are, at best, little more than dangerous distractions to American grand strategy during the Cold War. If Ingo Trauchsweizer is to be believed, the U.S. won the war despite the bogdown in Vietnam was because they managed to deter war in Europe, which was the center of the world economy and industry and the key to maintain economic superiority over the Soviet bloc. But I digress...

[@rogerwilcoshirley2270]

Minhkhoi Nguyen Yes indeed you DO digress - from incoherent jibberish to even more incoherent jiberrish. That war was was lost due to terrible failure of leadership (Westmoreland, Johnson) that disreguarded the most basic of military principles: go for the jugular, destroy the enemy units at their source with as much firepower and violence as it takes to do so quickly. Had we followed the most basic principals of warfare we would never have been in South Vietnam, rather we would have attacked and destroyed the N. Vietnam forces in North Vietnam. Has we done so the South Vietnam insurgency would have withered on the vine. As for Kenedy however well meaning his idea carried forth by many today that Special Forces are the convenient facile solution to all conflict was as much a naive fairytale as the Camelot mythology. From a purely operational point of view it is essential that today’s young officer’s understand this basic failing of Viet Nam.

[@siddude]

You didn't address my point that Stalin's USSR was an ally of the US in WWII?? What's the matter you got no brain to think? Who the hell cares if uncle assHo was a friend of the OSS? He did that to further his ambition of making Vietnam red! Without red Chinamen help and the USSR North Vietnam and VC would be nothing, no war, no bloodshed, no refugees, etc. We won the Cold War because we fought the real war against the Communists and war of ideas! Hurray for good guys!

[@jackal0122004]

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[@rogerwilcoshirley2270]

Wiseone I have better to do that read your silly books. First, I don’t need to read books to formulate my opinions. Further I don’t need book recommendations from those far less educated that I. BTW let ME recommend a book for cutesy pie you : The Physics of Astrophysics: Gas Dynamics by Frank Shu. You , of course, would recognize it as a graduate level text for Astrophysical Fluids. NO doubt you will find it an easy read Wise One. BTW Wise One, pls crawl back in your hole and stop embarrasing those of us far more accomplished than you; and among other achievements I am a retired Army officer.

[@siddude]

@land4citizens LOL! The US was an ally of Stalin's USSR in WWII so why did we turn on Joe Stalin after WWII and take on a hostile stance after the war? Ho Chi Minh was a committed Marxist Leninist just as Joseph Stalin. You're imagining something that is not there. Ho Chi Minh had no interest in creating a capitalist, democracy in Vietnam!! LOL! Dude the 60s are over! Are you still reminiscing about the hippies' worldview?

[@siddude]

What is it I said that is not based on facts? Ho Chi Minh was a douchebag Communist. Vietnam today is a Communist dictatorship. Take your own advice learn some facts before you open your commie pie hole! Vietnam under the VC is one of the poorest, least free, economic basket cases in the world. Those are inconvenient facts the VC don't want to accept. It is their stupidity and arrogance that forced millions to flee from their homeland. THat is a fact!