Can You Hear The Difference Between Cheap And Expensive Trombones?

[@trombonetimo]

EDIT: The last beat of the arabesque sheet music is WRONG. It should be E F E Db C instead of whatever the heck is printed...

[@ColonialForbin]

I’m doing arabesque in my wind ensemble and I got confused when I saw it too

[@TromboneTrillo]

The plastic sounded out of tune

[@luladrgn9155]

that's what sounds actually, as a flute player it's similar to what i have

[@dimitrishostakovich2223]

Lol whats printed is the first horn part

[@dakotacompaan6292]

What is the weird handle thing on the sackbut

[@inertiathegecko]

As a trombone player, these are so cool to hear! I have a jazz trombone and a orchestral tenor, and I love the sound of the bass sackbutt. Thanks for a great comparison!

[@trombonetimo]

Thank you so much! I hope to do more with it in the future. All the slide positions on it are different than Tenor and Alto trombone so it's actually a nightmare to play at the moment!

[@thomasshipley8052]

Same here, I feel like people are getting scammed on plastic Trombones because companies say that they are as good as a expensive Trombone

[@Roboticwhale19]

@@thomasshipley8052 people should have enough common sense to realize that isn’t true tho.

[@TromboneTrillo]

@@trombonetimo What trombone model do you play and if any replacement parts what are they?

[@mccabecompositions]

As a jazz and orchestra trombonist, I feel the orchestral tenor had the best sound out of all of them

[@kibbies]

The way I see it, jazz feels like it’s better, but only in certain categories

[@georgeschaut2178]

I would agree. The orchestral tenor seemed to hold its own across all selections, & sounded particularly good playing the high notes in Bolero...but could also be used in jazz. That may also reflect the fact that it's an Edwards. It would be interesting to know what make/model the "Jazz Trombone" is. George, Canada...

[@mccabecompositions]

@George Schaut that's what I do. I use my orchestral tenor (benge 165f) for all occasions unless I need an extremely bright sound, then I use my jazz tenor (Buffet (don't know the model or age, records of the serial number was destroyed in a fire))

[@georgiapuppie]

The orchestral tenor trombone has a much brighter sound!

[@doloresescalante6310]

Ya

[@dylanhatton5178]

The tenor is the best overall, but the jazz trombone sounded super nice on the last excerpt

[@wye4871]

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[@dylanhatton5178]

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[@itz_voltage_yt1827]

The orchestral tenor sounds the cleanest to me. Maybe I'm just biased idk. First btw

[@trombonetimo]

Phew... That's my main

[@AustinBeaufort]

The pbone sounded solid considering its price point. Also that bass sackbut is awesome, well done! Personal fav sound is the jazz horn I think.

[@MDeadcloud]

The bass sackbut and the alto suffered a lot (although the sackbut more so), since most of these excerpts aren't really meant for them. The PBone is really just to mess around or teach someone who can't lift a brass peashooter. Between the orchestral tenor (large bore, I presume) and the jazz horn, it depends a bit on the chosen music, as it was pretty close in Bolero, but the orchestral tenor sounded better in general. Overall, I'd rank the orchestral tenor first, with the jazz horn a bit behind. I'd rank the alto after, then the bass sackbut, then finally the PBone.

[@bobmarlowe3390]

I have a Martin 'Urbie Green' model tenor that's just as light as a pBone, and it's a heck of a lot easier to play.

[@kristopherrivas602]

Arabesque is the only way to test if the trombone has agility, I’m surprised the plastic did well since it doesn’t look like it’s mean to be played fast

[@ezequielsanchez9191]

I can definitely tell a sound difference. My favorite is the orchestral tenor it just gives a bit more of a richer sound.

[@NeilABliss]

Honestly, Bolero on a smaller bore horn is probably closer to what Ravel was hearing in his head. Plastic is great for those outdoor gigs on freezing days...but suck otherwise. Love the Bass Sackbut.....would love to hear some typical Bass Sackbut parts on it, conforming to the horn...likewise for the Alto....which sounds great but isn't typical for those pieces.... The Orchestral horn is the one you seem most comfortable on...and sounds the best as a result.

[@goostophbanana2395]

They all sound good accept the p-bone but orchestral is the best. Granted the p-bone might sound iffy just because of the material. PS great job. My fellow trombonist friends and I are huge fans!

[@James2210]

My friend determined that a lot of the plasticy sound of the PBone can be attributed to the plastic mouthpiece. Maybe try a different one?

[@ajbp95]

Plastic was better than I expected, though I'm not sure I would pay 200 $ for it, probably better to find a second hand one for that prize. Question: Is the plastic one harder or easier to play?

[@JeanPaul-Hol65]

The PBone is extremely easy to play, I’ve tried it personally several times. But I don’t really like his sound very much. 😉

[@MDeadcloud]

I imagine the PBone is great if you just wanna mess around or you're trying to teach a young child (like ES age, not MS). However, for a middle school student, a second hand Yamaha student peashooter is probably best (or whatever student horn you can get for cheap.)

[@aikifab]

The slide is actually a bit ... rough

[@georgeschaut2178]

Plastic is good for kids because a) it's lightweight, b) durable, resistant to damage, & c) cheap. I wasn't impressed with the sound of that one though...

[@christinashelby6083]

I can just hear the orchestral 'bone's bowtie. The alto is like its little brother and the jazz one like its cousin who likes to party. That plastic one, though, man.... sounds like you're playing it from the back of the closet. P.S. Hook 'em Horns!

[@trombonetimo]

🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@confused_shark2537]

the plastic one is more meant for a beginners or practice instrument, you wouldn’t play it at a concert or anything lol

[@YoutubeChannel-st4tg]

I got my first trombone for 35 dollars out of a random guys trunk behind a McDonald’s 🙂

[@SamuelPlaysBrass]

It's hilarious how drastic the sound difference was switching from plastic to small-bore brass. Although I have to say you really sound 'at home' on your large-bore in any style!

[@RaichuEnjoy]

Idk plastic trombones are just better

[@benwalsh2305]

As a non trombone player Timo never ceases to impress

[@CreaativeName]

Man, as a Horn player I REALLY wish I could eventually play Arabesque but sadly my band is nowhere near good enough to pull it off. Guess I'll have to wait till college :sadge:

[@VyxtheBat]

where tf did you get a bass sackbut while I'm over here unable to find even one double-thayer bass bone on the entire freakin' east coast

[@azaz45123]

Song #1 winner: Jazz Trombone Song #2 winner: Alto Trombone Song #3 winner: Jazz and Orchestral Tenor trombone tie (My opinion)

[@Fishchair]

As a trombone with 6 years of experience and am still trash I can confirm this sounds like a trombone

[@MDeadcloud]

Damn, you're a trombone?

[@AustralianAviator]

I’ve never heard such a bad sounding plastic trombone! My ZO plastic trombones sound almost exactly like brass ones

[@ConcerndFern]

The alto trombone was just denied throughout the whole thing 1: malfunction 2: slide comes off 3:the audio file corrupts

[@Dolion_Anwir]

I'm playing trombone in advanced band rn and I'm in middle school. I think I kinda suck, but ur vids give me hope. Thank you ❤

[@josephdavis733]

My brother played arabesque and now she’s playing first chair at Allstate

[@Saffronmoon-sv2es]

You know he is good at tbone when he makes the $200 sound good.

[@samuelzackrisson8865]

It sounds like the plastic trombone has no resonance or that it's leaking like crazy

[@duck4268]

122nd viewer

[@Legocoder1234]

You should get the the phone mini as an alto trombone and review it

[@KameronsAnimations]

They all sound the same except for the plastic one

[@foxysabitofahyprocrite2639]

how do u hit a b-flat on trombone my teacher won't help and i don't understand

[@verfuncht]

Your accent is an enigma. It’s like you were born in both 1940 and 2000

[@aikifab]

The plastic trombone actually sounds as if there was a mute on it ... The orchestral trombone is has the brighter and richer sound. I'm surprised by the quality of the alto sound

[@E_S_S_1530]

PEOPLE!!! LET'S BLOW UP THE OLD TROMBONE TIMO CHANEL! I'm subscriber number 19!!!!!!!

[@RyanAlexanderBloom]

“Orchestral” sounded best to me. I’m not even always a fan of the modern “dark concert sound” but that was nice sounding horn.

[@MEMESHOW34]

Thumbs up on the Orchestral Tenor.Dope beat

[@llamalife7210]

I'm going to say something a bit controversial, but I like the p-bone. Hear me out, it's not the best for ensemble work, but in the right setting in can provide a different, but nice, color to a piece.

[@uni-byte]

The Edwards wins for me. Just seems the most capable and the large bore gives it the most transferable sound. Not that I'm an Edwards fanboy (actually a XO Brass fanboy) but I have always favored that large bore tenor sound since my King 4BF days.

[@charlieolson115]

This is making me question my $100 student trombone bought at pawn America that I’ve been using for 5 years i CAN get another one, but I’d just end up looking for too long…

[@shakesbearebear]

It's clear which one is the one you play the most -- the bass sackbut. Kidding, but I'd be interested to hear the difference a proper mouthpiece makes on the plastic instrument in this comparison. Most people say it turns it from a pile of garbage to decently playable.

[@electrocuti]

Biggest flex is that i got my tenor bone off of facebook marketplace for £400 and it is in virtually perfect condition

[@Curry_does-a-lot]

Tbh I like jazz trombone best. I also am deeply in love with jazz music tho so it might just be the way it sounds jazzy

[@Naturallystated]

You must remember that we are hearing it not from the horn but our speakers, after being digitally cropped. As a trumpet player and music teacher, I could hear clearly the differences, but I also listen through my studio system. Having heard all but the Sackbut live , the differences are vast.

[@MihaiSorohan]

The plastic one sounds horrible, the sackbut is pretty awful too, the jazz one is ok, and the orchestral tenor sounded the best.

[@LeTromboniste0]

That bass sackbut is not worth 10k, more like 1-2K max. It's an old cheap model that is built more like a modern trombone with a small bell and pitched in F, rather than a proper bass sackbut. Those were not good horns and don't sound good. It's also never going to sound good if you play it poorly and try to blast through it like a King 2B....

[@RockStarOscarStern634]

The Sackbutt is an early Trombone Bach wrote for

[@krystofdayne]

Fun video, but obviously no fair comparison to be had between any of these 😂 The Sackbut and the Alto are mainly gonna be that expensive because they're rare and sort of hard to find, especially the Sackbut. An alto trombone is not the most unusual thing but I imagine you pay a premium just for the sort of peculiarity of it no matter the quality. And obviously a jazz trombone is going to be less expensive than a concert trombone just because of the simpler construction, not having that rotary valve. The only sort of fair comparison is between the jazz trombone and the plastic one because the basic construction is similar. And yeah, the plastic one does sound pretty horrible 😂 but fair enough for 200$, still good for like dumb open-air folk festivals and the like where you have to schlepp the instrument around the whole day and having this super light thing is really great, and the sound quality doesn't really matter that much.

[@AAbshier]

Wow, with the plastic bone any player at any level can get that 6th grade band sound! 🤣. I had to sell my Conn 88H--just closed the deal last week--now you're making me miss my big horn. Wah.

[@thegodlytank9826]

hmm... The plastic trombone's notes are less clearly cut, instead sounding somewhat muddy and melted. The alto is a failure, the orchestral is mellow yet powerful, the jazz bright, and the sackbut the darkest, richest thingy I ever heard

[@jnbplaysgames]

3:07 has the same energy as this Richard Bobo video 😂 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXK8lJafl9xojJY

[@trevorroverttrevorrovert]

Love the video, however in a comparison video like this, I think it’s be better to actually listen and hear if there weren’t any of the meme sounds or just ‘whooshes’ effects in the transitions. Just a simple just could do justice. Other than that great video

[@sliccslide]

Kind of a misleading thing by saying the "differece betweetn cheap and expensive". If you were really going to do that you you should at least be using the same type of trombone. All of these horns are for completely different purposes playing wise besides the plastic one which is just crap lol. Sure your edwards is gonna sound great on orchestral music, but its not going to sound "correct" playing jazz with it compared to the 6H it looks like you're using

[@UpcomingJedi]

for a plastic bone, that 180 is kinda expensive. I would offer no more than 60 bones for that bone. After all, its made in china or thailand

[@sebthi7890]

sell your handmade luxery trombones and practice more on the pbone (?) at the it will sound as good as your 5000$ Edwards ... and go for holidays to Norway to show your nice pullover around.

[@aardgroen272]

You play with different mouthpiece it seems. A pbone sounds better with a metal mouthpiece. Still the tenor (in my case a Bach) sounds best especially in the higher ranges such as with the bolero.

[@curiousnomadic]

I didn't even know there were plastic trombones. What insanity is that? I thought the orchestral tenor sounded the best. Bass sackbut really $10,000? It looks strange and the sound is meh.

[@Greenflamesgaming]

As a tromebonist is it bad I don't know how to read music Ive played it for a year now so any other tromebonist help me know if its ok or not lol

[@aidanswanson8132]

As like a practice trombone for school is the plastic one a good one to keep at home

[@hucbald37]

Let me guess, please: You like your orchestra tenor most, so for that reason it sounds best... ;-)

[@KyleRaftery]

I have so many questions...

[@えんどぅぼーん]

そりゃアレッシホーンには敵わないでしょ

[@ThechickenVR749]

As a baritone player, I'm not sure why I am watching this.

[@ericmyrs]

Hazo writes some genuinely cool shit.

[@peperoni_pepino]

I wonder, could you theoretically mix and match the slide of one trombone on the rest of another? What would sound better, the orchestral with a plastic slide, or the plastic with an orchestral slide? Or are the slides different sizes?

[@georgeschaut2178]

I had read somewhere that if you used a brass mouthpiece in a plastic horn, that this would make the instrument sound less "plastic." Worth a try...One of the trombonists in my town band has an alto horn where the bell & slide are from two different makers. Don't know about a brass/plastic hybrid though...

[@owensmith7530]

The orchestral tenor sounds great on all of them, and has a lovely tone. The alto looked like the mouthpiece was too large for it.

[@T-Slider]

The sound over airpods was mostly bad. The plastic horn was particularly bad.

[@mr.nmoney3554]

Hands down with my klipsch headphones the Orchestral tenor wins then the Jazz in 2nd. Would like to add a contra bass t bone to the selection

[@andrewwisniewski3005]

Our band is playing arabesque for our next concert and I am beyond excited. It is one heck of a piece.

[@mdaniels7541]

Us too!!!!!

[@joseferreira8083]

very nice this video I play trombone tenor and your sound is wonderful .Can you bring a video where you play double bass trombone

[@Commenteronstuff]

all of them play normally, just the plastic doesnt have that... range, live feeling, even tho you play it the same way as any other trombone.

[@MorleyJamie-t5k]

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[@TwiggyTheFenenc]

The plastic one seems to not have the ring of the brass ones, maybe next time you should test one of those cheap 90$ amazon trombomes

[@bryanolsen827]

I heard somewhere where the plastic trombone actually sounds good when you use a normal trombone mouthpiece on it rather than the plastic one

[@joaobernardo333]

im a intermediate in trombone (i'll make one year of playing in setember) and i learned to play Freaks in 20-30 minutes

[@caidencook1065]

the last 3 sixteenth notes of arabesque in the sheet music were way outta wack, they should’ve been f, e nat, and the d down the octave instead of the a, b flat, and d up the octave

[@ribbledabble390]

I play a baritone that’s 20 years old and it has 4 valves 💀 but I probably know your Klef

[@hwaitsme2878]

Yo the arabesque part is in mirage and I played it my first year of high school and was the only one who could do that

[@steve1000]

That was hilarious! You sound great on the Edwards.

[@Freddy-Da-Freeloadah]

Why is the Sackbutt so expensive? IMHO

[@SurxiousTheBranded]

this video would be so much better if there wasn't an incredibly unfunny meme every 5 seconds

[@Aqwaonthesticks]

I wonder because the P phone is plastic. You don’t have to put grease on it(someone please correct me)

[@markhendrickson2610]

Those plastic horns should be illegal. the alto would sound better on an alto trombone mouthpiece.

[@JarrettisagamerLOL]

is the orchestral tenor trombone your trombone you mostly play with because i use a trombone that looks alike ad its omg the best

[@Cooper98765]

The jazz trombone, how do you get that vibrato like sound to come out o those half notes and quarter notes

[@mayclarque4123]

What kind of Conn is your jazz horn? I’m curious about the model.

[@JacJGraham]

Having never played a pBone, or plastic anything, what's yours/anyone's opinion on this type of instrument?

[@MatthewMcDermott6]

Orchestral tenor trombone all the way

[@alyctro8158]

I think the plastic one sounded the best, but there's almost no difference between them.

[@gmax3277]

not expecting much as the mic quality is bad from the start of the video.

[@goose3811]

whats your recommendation for a starter alto trombone that doesnt sound like crap

[@Andrewdoesstuff2011]

the plastic trombone sounded ok until you got the high range and it started dying.

[@totallynotstarlord]

Ye, I just play a reg bass trombone from my school. And I'm bad at it

[@NotFine]

Where'd you get that jazz trombone

[@natedawg9602]

Yo can u give us like the links to those songs? I wanna be able to pull it up and practice it

[@pokemagicraft3246]

It's about the tone and how it feels to play

[@damianodero4652]

is that the original bolero trombone solo ? I thought the original one was higher ?

[@jtswonderland3931]

On bolero it almost sounded like it had a jazz mute in it for the pbone

[@iknowmostscountries83]

The cheapest one sounded bad and the alto was in the key of e so the rest were identical

[@TimothyReeves]

P-bone sounds terrible, weak, thin but no high overtones

[@ultra9349]

Orchestral and jazz were both the best i can’t decide between the 2 tho