Tropical Astrology vs. Sidereal / True Sidereal & Human Design

Karen Curry Parker, Founder & Creator
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[@marielisabeth634]

This is so perfect! Astrologers do not have the answer. I did Western astrology for a decade and then in the last 5 years moved over to sidereal. I have never had the charts contradict one another. This may be due to the timing of when the person gets the reading, but I believe it is because the same energies show up in different ways.

[@user-bi1dp4km2o]

I disagree with this. As example.. A north node or Rahu could change house and sign what gives a totally other path. People who say it is the same thing or nothing really changes just can't choose or don't wanne offend anyone. In life you need to be bold and make choices and break dilemma's. Choose what resonates and stick with it. Otherwise you become the one that wants to be liked by everyone but don't really have a opinion..

[@marielisabeth634]

@@user-bi1dp4km2o I appreciate your point of view! However, I do not want to be liked by everyone- my pov comes from years of experience. Rahu is not the only significator of path! So focusing on that as an example you’re losing the whole point which is to look at the entorotiy of the chart. Focusing on one aspect will only give results by chance. Keep in mind it is less often that planets change houses from one system to the other, but they can change signs … we would really have to do a comparison breakdown of a chart side by side. Which could be so fun!

[@user-bi1dp4km2o]

Likewise.. I am not focussing on Rahu, I gave it as an example. And planets do change houses if you go from Tropical to Vedic and/or True sidereal.. If you take, as another example, not perse a focus point.. the sun that is in let's say Cancer in tropical.. goes to Gemini in Vedic or True sidereal is it a whole different foundation or structure..you can not be a cancer and a gemini.. they have a totally different operating system ..or let't say it is the moon that goes to gemini instead of cancer.. For me personally, I must add.. it just doesn't work to try to use them all and say it is all the same. It is a nice thing to say.. and you bring people together I guess.. but sometimes you need to be bold and go for it.. but that's just my 2 cents. @@marielisabeth634

[@user-bi1dp4km2o]

and to add.. in my personal chart Sun, Moon and Venus changes houses..Mars changes house, Jupiter.. planets do often change houses.

[@WhentheStarsAligned]

LOVE this integrated and deeply-embodied perspective. Thank you Karen! You rock

[@watercolourplay]

Thank you Karen! For bringing back the embodied feminine element to this. Those who don't connect with what they see learn this isn't about attacking anyone about a new idea. It's about the chart is for YOU and YOUR experience!

[@SirenoftheVoid]

That's it! It feels feminine, this Sidereal chart of mine. Or so is my impression at the moment.

[@samgentry4005]

THANK YOU. I'm a reflector in my tropical chart, mangen in the fagan-bradley chart and a projector in true sidereal. I haven't played with the fagan-bradley chart yet, but my explorations in the other two have shown me that they one embodies my feminine energy field while the other embodies my masculine energy field. I look at them like engine modifications. they all run, just in different ways.

[@karenlepage-mindfulmaker]

I love this approach. It’s so applicable to every part of our lives. Thank you!

[@Adonya]

A few things (major) changed between my HD/GK charts in TS versus tropical. (I feel a greater sense of understanding and resonance with the information learned from the former.) When it came to my son's chart, EVERYTHING changed when I pulled it in TS-and with it-came greater clarity. 🖤

[@TruthLove333]

How’d you look up the different charts? HD normally uses tropical right?

[@GeoffDykes]

Thank you for this timely contribution to the debate. I'm currently looking at my sidereal version of HDS and my initial view is one of resonance. From an esoteric perspective both tropical and sidereal have a role in helping us understand our designs and adding depth.

[@annee5582]

Amazing! I truly resonate more with my Sidereal HD chart. My Tropical HD sounds amazing but I have been searching in that chart for something, an understanding. Not saying the tropical isn’t valid. 💙

[@TruthLove333]

How’d you look up the different charts? HD normally uses tropical right?

[@angelsteach]

Exactly why I love you 😇Thank you! 💜

[@antwanpenn3316]

Absolulty beautiful insight!!! Thank you Karen!

[@robertjhill33]

That was so good Karen, thanks for the wisdom!

[@designedtobehuman]

I love the way you put it into the evolutionary storytelling perspectives and frees the human journey from dogmatic ways of self awareness and creation. Thank you Karen.

[@jamm555]

Great Explanation Thank you!

[@SirenoftheVoid]

Thatk you, that was very clarifying and affirming.I discovered Sidereal and True Sidereal charts over the past month, and they were added to Genetic Matrix this morning too(the site i chose to use). In this chart,i am not a Manifesting Generator but a Pure Generator who has the 6/3 Profile. It resonates deeply from what i know of it. I do support the idea that as long as you know the basic principles of Human Design, everything is pure exploration :)

[@reflectingqueen]

how does one add those charts to the more traditional systems?

[@oscarl.3563]

I wait sometimes. I wait for the truth to become clear. Good practice! Or not-practice to be precise.

[@stefanianoris9295]

omg i'd rather prefer not kwowing this information because i found that human design a really complex system to understand and now i have also to choose between two different version..

[@Melissa-pn2th]

I am Gemini in western astrology, but I am Taurus in sidereal astrology. I am also a projector in western astrology and a manifesting generator in sidereal astrology. Which of these reflects the truth?

[@cristinastgermain]

I also changed signs completely in sidereal vs tropical. I have never heard of projector and manifesting generator though. ?? (Beginner)

[@MonifaHarris]

I agree. I also think if you change the chart you change the reading. If you are using tropical definitions to understand your sidereal chart you may be clouding things. This is my personal opinion.

[@SirenoftheVoid]

You're intriguing me, care to go into details about this?

[@MonifaHarris]

@@SirenoftheVoid Sure, I think that if you are going to read sidereal charts that it is worth learning the Vedic definitions. They have been reading sidereal charts for a long time. When I looked into this I found that the definitions were just different enough that neither are "wrong" they just have developed over different lines. I also think of Western Astrology as what is personal and manifested, comes about on Earth ( as it is based on the seasons). I think of Vedic Astrology as energies of heavens; more like what is imminent, lessons, universal perspective.

[@bepkororoti2559]

I have two questions that I'm curious about, hope you see this and find time to answer. One is, is human design based on sidereal or tropical zodiac? Another one is, do you have an insight and proposition on why some people tend to lean to sidereal and others to tropical zodiac? Thank you

[@SirenoftheVoid]

New question, does this possibility relate to the variables as well? I had the left side variables in mind. In particular, i noticed last year, i had lots of nut butter (by itself,nothing else) in times of difficulties,i became aware i gained weight (doctor visit helped). In sidereal, i have Consecutive Appetite as my digestion or determination, whereas in Tropical, it is Open Taste. I sought to experience things deeply in the past, too. This experience with food pointed more towards Sidereal being right for me. But i had doubts, so i thought to ask.

[@BeeKaye]

Well, I’m either a 3/5 MG or a 6/3 Projector. Yikes.

[@amberscottcmt7400]

What if we're a synthesis of both charts? Whether we understand the long cycle of the procession of the equinoxes fully or not, it is a valid cycle. Many of us are here right now because of the exact place opposite the elliptic we are from the fall of Atlantis, only we are on the ascending side of consciousness this time. So much is to come... What if dude who used sidereal astrology to create HD charts, did so, because for those that need it, there is a message from the macro cycle to aid them in their journey here? 100 years ago this rendition would be of little to no use, but the veil is thinning. I had to peek at my chart and I admit there are aspects of both I see in myself. I also can't quite see myself fully in my HD chart, but I quite like to experiment with it and I think the most telling comparison to sit back and observe will be motivation. I'm innocence in HD and desire in sidereal. One of them's gonna show itself to be the true motivation and the other the transferred one... What's really fun for me is that I'm not subscribed to either system. In HD I'm splenic projector 1/4 with gates 38, 49, and 58, spleen, ajna and G defined to throat... So I get to test a system before I adopt it, and you will hear about my findings (13-33) 😉 lol Seriously though, to go into the contrast comparison of both without prejudice and just testing? How lucky am I to get that opportunity?!! (4th line in both charts)

[@tatianawalkercoaching2623]

I don't want to experiment too much as I have spend half of my life trying to figure out things. in one system i am a mG 5/1 an d another projector 2/4 that is a huge difference to deal with and it blows my mind. I think sidereal everything is different , so trying to pull different definitions on rave is simply a crazy idea. they are like apples to oranges.

[@tonyogn9804]

Thank u for the video, it is very informativ. I‘m in a conflict now, because in tropical, which is hds based on, I‘m a manifestor. But in sidereal, I‘m a generator. But how can I have two auras at the same time? I don‘t know how to make sense of this matter. I‘d love to hear your opinion on this!

[@Sugarfreeeee]

Exactly. In a projector and generator. Doesnt make any sense

[@VargaErwin]

Greetings from Hunedoara, Transylvania, Romamia. I studied astrology too little to be able to figure out something soft, it's tropical, it's sidereal. Who can convince me with a software, or whatever, now that I'm writing these lines, the sun is Pisces or Aquarius ?! p.s. I also accept a video with this challenge.

[@slimesaidit2675]

I do not understand these systems of astrology that do not honor accurate and scientific astronomy

[@BeLoveUnconditional]

What system is most accurate?

[@TheFuture36520]

Bravo 👏👏👏👏👏👑🔥☺

[@christinelavoie2830]

I have a question about the ‘unconscious’ design..would it be different (other than 3 months prior to birth) when premature birth?..[…] best way to interface with the cosmic plan.” Whoah! Are you kidding me? Mind blown. 🙏

[@tatianawalkercoaching2623]

premature birth was also my big question

[@makingwaffles]

How do we find out design with true siderel?

[@SirenoftheVoid]

There is a site called Cosmichumandesign that would provide you with this. It is basic in its looks and functionality, so you might have to rely on some other site to figure some things out. Does this help?

[@tatianawalkercoaching2623]

Easy with sidereal. True sidereal has different meaning and times. You can't use true sidereal without taking into account we have a different sky now. Meaning you will have to use astronomy to know the transits. Also, there are a ton of ways using these calulations, so figuring out true transits you need to have an experienced true siderel astrologist. That is like hiring someone for you full time. I did that true sidereal and it blew my mind of. From Emo mG 5/1 i went to 2/4 Emo Projector. They both makes sense and don't make sense. I am not sure what to do with this info now.

[@zeropointbeing]

🙌🙏💙

[@Tinymarielovesyou]

I don’t relate to sidereal! Tropical resonates with me deeply. I’ve looked into Vedic astrology before and surprisingly, it just doesn’t resonate at all.

[@blackpanther10987]

Are u pisces rising ?

[@odeliamili7129]

Same.

[@TruthLove333]

Are you the wife of Chetan Parker?