Golden Demon 2024 | Boxarts DOMINATING & Disqualified Entries!

[@trovarion]

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[@magerino5587]

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[@PerfectionHunter]

GW should have last years Winners be the judges and decide the new winner, but are not allowed to compete themselves. The Judges should only be the past winners of up to a maximum of 3 years back, so the judges is constantly switched out, but not until their 3 years is up. They can coose to decline to be a judge to be allowed to compete again, but best not to, let someone else have a chance to win for a while. And the current judges can have some down time to work for a couple of years on their own pieces.

[@TheMiniJunkie]

Great video and honestly one of the best sponsored product placements I’ve seen in a long time - I actually watched that section and now I want one of those standing desks! :)

[@demonrich]

Thank you for the kind words! I'll be focusing on different things for the next GD and just enjoying myself.

[@superevil66666]

For me its unbeliveble that the autarch dont win!!! Love this painting style.

[@BarokaiRein]

It'll probably win something when/if you take it to crystal brush. I wouldn't be surprised if GW just 'disqualified' it because they didn't think that having spider motif on anything that wasn't a warp spider would fit their brand. Which is fucking insane, but GD is a marketing event, not really a painting competition.

[@Americium-120]

YOU WERE ROBBED. Your piece was perfection.

[@KataMatthaion3]

No, the REAL kicker on that Éomer is the base! Thats a Rohirric burial mound with the white simbelmynë flowers! That's such a beautiful, elevating detail!

[@bowietwombly5951]

GREAT catch. I was so distracted by the mini I missed that entirely! That's clearly someone with so much love for Tolkien's work.

[@WhatareyouPaintingnow]

I think this was a great break down also I liked that you spoke up for the ultramarine guy. We like that both you and Zumikito made sure to say how you liked the winners making sure people get they did nothing wrong. Thanks for the unemotional and logical breakdown absolutely champion mate - Cal

[@lilpain1997]

@WhatareyouPaintingnow well, of course, he did nothing wrong. He entered a mini, and it won. The judges should be questioned, though, with how everything was set up and what they were looking for. It's a bit weird that so many beautiful minis painted extremely well were awarded really low or nothing at all.

[@PartisanGamerDE]

except both make it implicitely clear by questioning the judgement of the judges they also question the position of the entries. they are absolutely linked no matter what they say. Zumi had clear undertones of "others are more deserving of placement/wins"

[@chadfontaine2717]

These arent the painters of old. They aren't us geeks in basements doing their best. These are skilled, fine-artists, at a level far far beyond us, the average gamer/painter. Wild to see how far things have come since the 90s

[@SeeWeeee]

Indeed. Just go out on the mini painting forums. Hobbyists and amateurs nowadays are very often better than anything official then. Just staggerig the leaps and bounds we have made as a hobby.

[@wakkru]

We shouldn't compare painting for Golden Demon with painting a Army. In my 30 years of GW I have seen a top-notch painted Army exactly once at an Event (Were Bretonnia, each Knight/Horse a unique Pattern) otherwise mine were in the top 3 and I have been painting "Battle Ready" long before GW invented it

[@Hopalong-re9lz]

The standard is amazing! That said, as a basement geek who toiled for hours back in the 90s & even managed to get minis into the finalist cabinet a fair few years, there was still a gulf between what I managed and the winning entries. They were stunning - perhaps the difference is that now there is even greater depth

[@priestking8636]

Well, they are skilled, yes, however, for everyone who actualpy PLAYS WH, there is almost no variant to play with ARMIES painted like this due to tremendous amount of time that goes to one miniature

[@stephenwitham]

When you have to choose 1 miniature out of a thousand as "the best" you're always going to have dozens, if not hundreds of entrants that could have also arguably won. Judging is hard. I know I don't have a tenth the skill of anyone who entered, and so I'm in no place to pass judgement or to criticize any entries. They're all gorgeous, and everyone should be proud of their amazing work.

[@gregq8]

Really well composed and paced video, I didn't even notice 27 minutes fly by.

[@isophistchambers6694]

Wait..omg that WAS 27 minutes! 😅

[@danteunknown2108]

Was just thinking about a new desk. Never thought I'd compliment an in-video ad, especially on a first visit to a channel, but that demo of it lifting you was clutch. 😂

[@richardebourne6332]

I've painted on and off for years and back into it now with my son. He thinks my models would win awards, and I had to show him of these. The look on his face was epic. He then had the EQ to reassure me that mine are still very very good. This is truly inspirational stuff and having your insight adds a lot. Your ending message is spot on, we do this for fun: enjoy it and make the best of it. For some that will be learning through the design and painting process, for others it will be learning from the ensemble of talented artists when you're there. Great video

[@thepib4195]

I saw the controversial Space marine live at the Spiel. It really looks exactly like the a box art and it was actually quite impressive. It gave me a chuckle.

[@blackenedsprite8542]

Take a drink every time Trov says 'to perfection'. Good luck to you...

[@rahotep789]

I had to stop

[@spartankelli]

It's like taking a drink every time Gordon Ramsay says 'beautiful' in a show

[@liamhopkins9031]

Thank you for mentioning my squigs 😊

[@andreyp2810]

Your squigs are really great! Saw them on P&P and really think that they're underestimated

[@liamhopkins9031]

@@andreyp2810 thank you I really appreciate that 😁

[@vadersjester]

I'm glad you gave Christian the respect he deserves for his entry, as you said it's a perfect example of the eavy metal style and technical skill counts for a lot it seems. Too many people who should know better are using his winning piece as an example of why the judges were "bad" or whatever and it's unfair on him and his achievement.

[@clinch4402]

Well it quite literally IS an example of why the judging is bad. Lying to avoid feelings getting hurt is a special kind of toxic. It may suck for the dude, but that's life - he submitted an entry visible to the public. Nothing personal, we're all sure he's an adequate human being.

[@vadersjester]

@@clinch4402 GD has always rated technical execution highly and from what I've heard from others who compete, the scoring is "negative", looking for imperfections to take points off. If a piece is simple yet perfect, it's hard to take any points off for the execution which is probably why it did so well. People getting mad on youtube because they or their friends didn't win seems silly in an entirely subjective artform.

[@clinch4402]

​@@vadersjester Irrelevant. Criticism of the judging by highlighting this piece as an example is allowed and entirely warranted. Nobody's saying "bully the participant because I don't like his entry."

[@lilpain1997]

@vadersjester But the issue here would be that the technical execution to do an eavy metal mini is far less than that of something with volumetric lighting, insane blends, and texture work going on. So what would be the point in doing something that is far harder and executing it extremely well, if you can do something far easier and win anyway? Not knocking the guy or the paint job, it's nicely done, and 99% can't paint like that, but as someone who can do eavy metal style I would never let it win a GD, let alone silver. The judges were terrible this time around, and every top painter has called them out in one way or another. Again, nothing against the winner.

[@rankcolour8780]

@@lilpain1997 It's a good thing you don't judge a paintjob on how difficult it is to execute. Something of less inherent difficulty executed perfectly is just as valuable as something substantiated of more difficult techniques especially difficult done imperfectly. By selecting more difficult techniques you leave yourself open for judgement if you do not execute them perfectly. Otherwise we would give awards to people who stipple a mini with a brush with only 3 bristles over the course of 2 years because it's more difficult to do. What you are doing is conflating stylistic choice with level of execution, never the same and never will be.

[@yfz450rider39]

Zumikito's piece was awesome! Sooo smooth and pops like crazy. So easy to understand everything you are looking at.

[@ruse0131]

Poor zumikito... And I don't know how you kept a straight face on that rising desk lmao

[@Klomster88]

The best thing with the 11:50 is that it doesn't make a circle. The entire model, base and its pose makes the symbol of tzeentch.

[@chkminis]

Thanks for the shootout of my Nurgle boys here and the livestream you did days ago ❤

[@sexyseb15]

those nurgle guys were my favourite entry overall

[@hawkthetraveler6344]

great balance of journalism and critique, I really enjoyed hearing your perspective and thought it was super classy to enthusiastically cheer on that chap who put in the ultramarine in classic style to ignore negativity from the net.

[@Alfie2609]

Wow, I haven't caught one of your videos in quite a while, but I am impressed! From what I can tell you've really upped your production game, and you seem much more comfortable and at ease in front of the camera. Well done!

[@Enders1315]

People saying "It looks like the box art" like it's a bad thing. As a newer person to the hobby if I can accomplish that while following a tutorial it's a great achievement. Haters are just going to hate. Meanwhile they aren't putting themselves out there.

[@underhorse5367]

Like you said, you are a new person entering the hobby. This is golden demon, it’s not newbie painter competition.

[@liamjamessutton]

Just want to say that I sat through your whole sponsor section. Really well made, I normally skip those sections of videos.

[@steppeone]

Golden Demon needs to be judged by past winners and maybe members of the ‘Eavy Metal team. There needs to be some continuity in how things are judged and some feedback given, at least to those who get commended entries if not also to the finalists. All of this will elevate the competition, help ease all the controversy after, and all around make a better experience for everyone. I will never be a good enough painter to enter Golden Demon, but all of the frustration I see in the community afterwards really makes me want to advocate for a better system for GD (or just a different award altogether, away from the GW infrastructure)

[@davidstone-haigh4880]

Like pretty much everything else with GW, they seem to be winging it and hoping no one will notice. Such a prestigious and world famous event should be effectively ran for all entrants to feel they have something to contribute and not go away bitter and let down.

[@Varadiio]

Are you any good at ? Is important to you? Does the success of matter to you? Would you demand reforms of if was observed more favorably than other teams? I think most people around the world have cases which return (No,Yes,Yes,Yes). If you can't, you probably just don't like sports (which is ok). It could be any sort of competitive endeavor.

[@PerfectionHunter]

I like this idea alot. The past winners gets to decide, but not to compete. And it should only be the past winners of a maximum of 3 years back, so the judges is constantly switched out, but no until their 3 years is up. They can coose to decline to be a judge to compete again, but best not to, let someone else have a chance to win for a while and work for a couple of years on your own piece.

[@geesehoward700]

the judges just need to be transparent as to what they are looking for in a paint job.

[@DJRockford83]

Absolutely NOT the eavy metal team.

[@niallcampbell]

Always love these reviews. A few ‘surprise’ result for me included the SM you covered in Open but also the Vehicle winner. Superb ‘box art’ results in my humble opinion. I couldn’t pull off what they did! So congrats! But they def made me feel the judging was looking deliberately for entries like those this time round. The mystery continues haha

[@frankgbisley87]

Love the video as usual. That advert almost killed me seeing you raise up on it laid out, smart advertising! :D

[@ROMANLAPPATMINIATUREART]

A really good video with a good perspective from not being there and just judging by photos. I really enjoyed your summary and the table ad was ace! Almost sexy in a weird form ... 😂

[@pikablob]

While that Gollum looks _phenomenal_ I am going to have to play Devil’s advocate here - that was more than just a conversion. I feel like if you’re completely reprinting a miniature like that, at that point, it’s not a GW mini anymore, and at the end of the day this is a contest about painting GW minis - and while I think GW is definitely overly heavy-handed about that when it comes to other cases like 3rd party bits, we already know that re-creating “their” sculpts like that is a huge no-no for them. So in this specific case I don’t think I can blame them - and it feels like it should have been obvious that it was never going to fly.

[@glenmurie]

This may also explain the inconsistent judging. They may be taking a hard stance against 3D printing, but then they should have made it clear in the rules. The lack of feedback from the judges is weird.

[@JasonIdkau-pw8hi]

Exactly.

[@intboom]

The thing that GW is missing out on rn is official STL sales.

[@lylemackie4207]

It is hard to know whether it is a painting competition or a hobby competion and what is being judged on. If Golden Demon is just a painting competition then I understand why they would bias towards just selecting models which are lightly converted or reposed, and focusing on the painting aspect of it. If it's also a conversion competition then that's another skillset, and it's fair enough to include because it's always been part of GW's "hobby" and has been encouraged. If people are just scanning or modelling things in CAD packages from scratch then that's an entirely different skillset and I think it's fair enough for them to disqualify entries for this. How can you honestly judge someone who's just painting a model straight ouf the box vs someone who has generated their own model and printed it? Is it even a GW product at that point? It just opens the floodgates to anything being entered.

[@B.D.E.]

You remind us that GD is a marketing event for a massive, soulless corporation, and not a celebration of painting within a very passionate hobby community. And that's tragic.

[@kizza9297]

Every model is absolutely insane!

[@deeperestmeme479]

Ok that space Wolfe diorama is pure magic how do you even do that with the water?!

[@Yen-pg3yd]

Clear resin

[@deeperestmeme479]

@@Yen-pg3yd yeah obviously but like, how do you do the splash

[@Yen-pg3yd]

@@deeperestmeme479 cutting the resin or prebuilding the mold. Just a whole lot of work either way.

[@BreadTeleporter1968]

@@deeperestmeme479magic

[@Hendarion]

Cheers for featuring my Wraithbaron's Making-Of video. 🙂

[@chameleonedm]

6:40 - The technical skills on display here are mind blowing but I cannot get past the fact that the light makes no damn sense at all. I know it's a stylistic choice but man I had this trend

[@Garage.Philosophy]

Best looking piece in the entire video , you a worried about “realism” on a giant mech robot space marine ? 😂

[@isophistchambers6694]

Thank you for this video! I appreciate the discussion and your tagging of the creators so that I can follow them online and take inspiration from their works ❤

[@chaosruma]

Seriously most of these look like they were drawn and are box art. Excellent work

[@Anecron1]

While I respect and agree with the opinion that GD should be a high stakes painting competition, I don't really get why so many people have a hard time understanding what it really is: a GW marketing tool. It is not about the best pieces, it is there to draw attention to GW figures. To keep the hobby relevant to painters. Ultimately to increase sales! When you know the judges are from the marketing department and not a bunch of classically trained veterans, how many more clues do you need? They make people spend 500+ hours to get a plastic trophy that costs $1,50 to produce. If you want a real painting competition you need to look elsewhere, or start your own, but try to see GD from a marketing perspective and it all makes sense.

[@ThomasGallinari]

That does not explain everything. Zumikito's entries were 100% GW stock models, perfectly painted, and he got nothing.

[@Anecron1]

@@ThomasGallinari Yes, they were amazing, but they were not GW boxart eavy metal style. With judges coming from marketing, they compare the work to what is selling boxes, not what is the best show of skill. In that seting, da Vinci could have entered the Mona Lisa and not made the finals because her bolt gun wasn't highlighted enough.

[@michaeltrivette1728]

@@ThomasGallinari that purple base looks like crap and I WILL die on this hill. Mini's were excellent, better even but that base. Like really? My dude zumikito. What the F$@k were you smoking?

[@garythdragon]

I agree whole heartedly with your closing. Yet......, clear outlines on what is and is not acceptable for judging should be upfront and honest to be 100% fair to the artists who spend 100's of hours only to find out that their masterpiece is DQ'd outright. This will also ensure a baseline for all future GldDmn going forward so all parties, artists and judges alike, have a clear understanding of what the boundaries are and could be improved as the space evolves.

[@trovarion]

Yeah, but GW doesn't care and will never give you these outlines. You can ask for it all you want. You can say it should be there all you want. It won't. Always was a lottery, always will be. IF you enter you have to deal with that and be prepared that it hits you. Or you simply don't enter.

[@recurvestickerdragon]

boxart should be its own category

[@mrjacobspear]

Think you nailed the tone here, important and helpful to mention the drama but good focus on the awesome art and no undermining those who won

[@Nobody-00000]

Good on the kid, they earned and deserve the win for painting an _actual_ mini with excellent execution. Some of y'all are _so_ salty that a classic, meticulously painted mini won *one* award. Bottom line: I get that some people want this to be a 3d printed sculpture painting competition... but it is not. It is a *mini* painting competition for a commercial wargame that sells minis. Why wouldn't they reward someone doing classic, beautiful work on a mini as depicted on their product's box art? If you enter an art competition built around a commercial product, ya better do it for the love of the art and not for some company's validation.

[@Wijkert]

0:57 maybe the most interested in your highlights than the ones that have placed, because I have seen those a lot on social media already. Also nice that the ones that have not placed get some extra attention.

[@nurglematthew]

Thanks for the review, Trovv, Nurgle Bless!

[@mikegeary8056]

I painted when I was younger and I’ve been checking on the stuff recently and the new painters are wild. They look 2 dimensional the way that an artificial light source is chosen.

[@Carbide-1]

Fantastic review brother! Intelligent commentary, and philosophy, thanks for all you do, I really appreciate your videos!

[@Renfield286]

The guy who did the Gollum was only ever going to be disqualified, it wasnt a GW mini at that point. it was a conversion of a "recast" effectively. I've seen less egregious models get DQed in the past.

[@Faraxsis89]

especiall, when this is in the rules pack "Conversions and scratch-built entries are allowed as long as they are in scale and set thematically within one of the Warhammer worlds or universes. This does not extend to entries set in the Middle-earth™ setting - showing exactly why his model was disqualified.

[@S.A.S.H.]

I bought the gray Torvarian "40k" logo sweatshirt a month ago. It is quite possibly the most comfortable, softest hoodie I've ever worn. Highly recommended. Might buy more it so freaking soft and confy.

[@trovarion]

Thanks for sharing!

[@Sleeper_6875]

that ultramarines and khorne battle scene is absolutely incredible. I get that it’s a different style to what GD typically prefers but I think it was the best

[@Thisismychannel77]

One thing about Zumikito I'd like to note is his entry was disqualified last year. He then posted a video giving his side of the story, which probably got his name put into a little black book (read: excel document) somewhere blacklisting him from winning. This time around, he put in another entry and they decided to just acknowledge it but was probably still blacklisted from a podium, and then he posted another video talking about that one once he found out. He's probably not going to win any as a result, as he'll be deemed 'too controversial' by GW marketing for years to come. People outside the Company may think different, but GW won't want to give him the oxygen an award would. I'd say he shouldn't really compete as this cycle is 100% going to repeat for 2025 if he does try.

[@BittermanAndy]

Or maybe there were just dozens of phenomenal entries among over 1000 in total and his just wasn't deemed to be what the judges were looking for and now he's whining about it.

[@commentingisdangerous7530]

so much amazing work. thanks for sharing it all with us.

[@aric650]

Outstanding golden demon coverage. Videos like this are why you are one of the absolute best on KZbin.

[@donaldxavier2056]

GD competitions were at their best when there were multiple competitions each year (4 or 5 in the US and 4 or 5 in Europe). Now that there are maybe 3 per year, worldwide, there are a lot of great artists that go home empty handed.

[@gregoryjordan1740]

This is the GD video I've been wating for. Thanks Trov!

[@mhumienny]

Great summary of the competition :)

[@franckorphanos2998]

Its hard to think how they can get any better . Just amazing .

[@Tarq242]

A good video and fair take, glad you're back to the light side!

[@50043211]

Yes, miniature painting came a long way since I started playing in the 80s.

[@forbiddennotes3964]

9:48 damn, that's a badass version of Frank Frazettas Death Dealer

[@Dreez76]

From my PoV, all these are godlike level of paintskills and they should all be very proud of their work.

[@halfdood]

Finally, a mature take on the event.

[@nomcognom2332]

Wow!! Incredible paintings!!!

[@bishop5isalive]

Great video!

[@niallcampbell]

Love these GD wrap up videos you do. Congrats to the winners! Always lots to be inspired by :) I’ve never entered GD and keep hearing it’s worth doing.

[@Wijkert]

Really happy that GW took better pictures than they did in the past.

[@todoville]

Trovarion, the difference between your videos last year and this year are stark and impressive. Your humility and willingness to pivot your approach to video making shows why you're such a good painter - you have an eye for seeing what precisely isn't working and rectifying any issue. You are a phenomenal creator and watching you learn and grow has been a real treat. Thank you for your hard work, wonderful video!

[@Heimdall1987]

All we need is the Eavy Metal team to judge again. There were not controversies with them in charge. All the controversies of late (AI, ridiculous decisions in Essen etc) were only when random guys who are not even painters decided to take over…

[@joeski27]

The LOTR category don’t get me wrong they’re nice models that won but we were robbed of that Gollum. Absolutely insane piece I hope he enters it in other events

[@agp11001]

Yeah, the history of LotR getting robbed of great works due to the strict licensing is about as old as the LotR game itself.

[@hanoi_revolver]

Can someone explain to me what was the licensing issue with making a gollum ?

[@joeski27]

@@hanoi_revolver so from how I understand it heavy converting and modelling is certainly possible and many winners in every other category have done large conversion work and diorama work. But GW entirely own those systems themselves as they invented them. Whereas I think because GW licenses to produce LOTR models based on the new line films, unless your conversion is quite subtle, GW doesn’t want to run the risk of creating issues with the licensing by rewarding a creation that heavily deviates from their officially licensed products.

[@agp11001]

@@hanoi_revolver The way I understood it back in the day is that, basically, every single LotR miniature that is made public in any official GW function, be it as an entry at any event or released for the game has to be pre-approved by the license holders.

[@hanoi_revolver]

@@agp11001 i see thanks

[@myliege5800]

The ork shaman is breathtaking

[@aBoogivogi]

The categories need to have clear qualifiers and the judges clear guidelines that's available to the contenders. If there are completely different results for the same categories across competitions then it just means it's all subjective. A great analogy for this (albeit not painting related) is disciplines like swimming and gymnastics. Every move has a known points range for the contender. Repeating moves can draw you down and relying solely on nailing medium difficulty moves can still see you loose to somebody that did an OK job at them while nailing one or two hard moves as those are awarded more points. PS: I think one major issue of 3D printing is that you can't really take the print into account in a competition where it's perfectly valid to contend using solely retail parts. A sculptor (regardless if he is sculpting by hand or digitally) will put a lot of effort into the model beyond just painting it.

[@trovarion]

people thinking GD will ever be like any given sport or other competition with clear rules are dreamers. It's a marketing event by GW. They will never bother.

[@braverzero3709]

It's almost like there's subjectivity to art! Who would have thunk!!

[@bagmuk6]

Box art is awesome

[@RezaQin]

I have a flexi desk and it's great, especially for Gundam work

[@piptarou]

When you're approached by someone that wants to gush about or discuss your mini, it's a feeling that I don't think can be matched.

[@ed0c]

i think the mini competitions should be official parts only, but they should have open categories that include kit bash, and another for open/3dprints.

[@MosnaRawr]

Clearly an executive had decision power. Absolutely marketing and branding based action.

[@CerxiS]

Well said in your last 15 seconds! Have fun ❤

[@stevemuzak8526]

14:49 Probably the best painted human portrait ever. Looks incredible.

[@wesleygillis5061]

Been waiting for this analysis, thanks!

[@robertjahnigen424]

Very considerate and wholesome.

[@chad2687]

really liked this new form for these types of videos Trov!

[@trovarion]

glad to hear, thank you! I wanted to condense them down a bit more and make them more concise than just the livestream being edited. The livestream still helps to collect my thoughts and put them in order, but as a video it just makes more sense.

[@chad2687]

@@trovarion Yeah I love that you still do the livestream. I personally like a longer video but most people will appreciate the shorte format. I also love that you give us more cool pieces that didnt place in the top 3 and show us more/better pictures from the once that did where needed. Good stuff man!

[@digitalshoes5520]

Im so mad about this year's Golden Demon. first time I could attend(wanted to see some pro painting, not take part) and my car got lifted the friday before saturday when I had tickets. german police somehow knew nothing and left me on my own to find it and I couldn't get it back in time to visit Essen during the event. fingers crossed next time it's in Germany again or a neighboring country

[@TsarLuna]

Great video, well said.

[@ScottMaurer-g2b]

They are moving towards what is essentially an open competition with a top 3 for each category and a best of show. They should lean into this, Judge it like this and staff with sufficient judges so they aren't overlooking things.

[@Johnnyfivekicks]

Great video! Always appreciate your take on GD

[@MrGibjab]

Hey I have a Flexispot, highly recommend! Also Richard's Eldar was a thing of beauty

[@MrTourette666]

Dig your shirt! Happy to see you again at the VTC! 🙂

[@kingmarke6940]

I like the "box art style" and minimal to none-conversion/sculpting quite a bit nowadays. Used to hate it, but tastes change I guess. That said, I don't disagree with the criticism. I just have grown very fond of going with official sculpts and clean painting, like the Sword winner did.

[@Tonylamar777]

That blue Eldar was crazy good

[@notinterested_1234]

The new more friendly Trovarion is amazing. Great video man, loved it.

[@optiondezzo]

Crystal Brush is the only painting competition I look forward to every year.

[@fredericthalheimer3811]

the EXARC is truely amazing

[@BreadTeleporter1968]

I genuinely CANNOT tell the different between that ultramarine and the intercessor box art

[@ernestgraves4401]

Very interesting❤

[@johnstevens6063]

i feel its become a diorama and basing completion more so than a miniature painting competition.

[@Illindi]

A thumbnail that told me whom I am watching 😅

[@Mightypi]

this was like 30 mins of positivity that just flew by. Great stuff. so much stunning work.

[@EarhirX]

That biceps vein in Lukas's ork!

[@themussile3335]

Whilst I appreciate the effort involved i think it should be remembered that GD is a painting competition not really a modelling or sculting one and its a fine line that GW needs to walk to keep the competition accessible to all. That was a lovely Gollum miniature but the rules on LOTR models are unchanged in 20 years now. No conversions and no scratch bulbs. I love that ultramarine miniature paint job but all the winners and many others are so amazing

[@ryo86ok]

I listen/watch your videos while I paint and got really caught off guard at 4:20 when I looked up from mini

[@speeddemonpainting7050]

It's a competition with judges... Just face facts: it's heavily dependant on the judges (and what they get as guidelines). The results will therefor always be unpredictable and controversial.

[@trovarion]

That's exactly what i said?

[@speeddemonpainting7050]

@@trovarion yes, I'm in agreement. Sorry if it came across wrong. I suppose I was more responding to some comments I saw on this video, rather than what you said in the end. :)

[@gorkamorka999]

To be fair it's a painting competition. Conversions and sculpting are one thing, but they are still done by hand. With 3d scanning and printing it gets really difficult to judge it based on skill compared to something that was "just" painted, especially if the judges don't have those skillsets themselves. How much of an edge should access to additional technology and knowledge outside of painting give you in a painting competition? Aside from the obvious elephant in the room about making GW obsolete, I think it's fair to set some boundaries. Maybe it would even be interesting to see a category where people paint the same model, like the old 'Eavy Metal showcases. Those were always kind of fun and it eliminates the "weapons race" of extravagant ideas.

[@mtgplayer1239]

What many people dont seem to grasp, nearly 1000(!) entries. 2 gw judges + roman is just not enough manpower to really sort that. Ofc many pieces will fly under the rader

[@deanwilliams433]

Yeah since COVID got so many people into the hobby the entries have exploded in volume.

[@bigapestudios9847]

i think the ork on boar suffered due to how it was fully 3d sculpted and printed, which lets be honest 3d printing and GW havent got the best relationship that thing winning would have been a political gut punch for gw from independant sculptors making proxies that directly compete with them.

[@andresperedo1275]

Man, sooo many people angry at the judges. Tbh all the winners deserved to win and a lot of other painters also deserved to win. The level was insane, and at some point any decision to place one job above another would be wrong. And to all Zumikito's fans: the argument of how many hours he put into the piece is completely useless. I could spend a thousand hours painting one single mini and would never be as good as any of the winners. (I do not mean that he did or did not deserve more, my first comment applies)