TRSA Procedures

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There are 30 TRSA's in the U.S., but only one on the West Coast --- surrounding Palm Springs Int'l Airport, a Class-D aerodrome. A TRSA is not controlled airspace, but you will need to talk to SoCal if you plan to land at Palm Springs (KPSP). I show you an arrival through the Banning Pass and departure enroute to Gillespie Field (KSEE) in this Fly The Wing in-flight video.
NOTE: A couple years after this video was produced, SoCal changed their Approach/Departure frequency in the desert to 126.7.
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[@beijingkoala4]

I like how you respond with "check" when ATC confirmed radar contact and verified your altitude and position. I usually respond with "roger" but I now see "check" is a much clearer response. Certainly, "wilco" and "affirmative" are in my opinion, worse than "roger".

[@Frank-sb7si]

Hey Gary, thanks for the videos. I am a student pilot in tampa florida. Your videos really help me "fill in the blanks" of learning that I might not get in my regular training.

[@scowlingatthemoon]

You were cleared to land in the Cub just ahead of me on 31L today at KPSP. I was on my long solo XC in a DA40. From watching the videos I knew that green Cub would be hard to spot! Almost gave a "And fly the wing!" on the radio, but maintained radio discipline. Very helpful videos.

[@nintendokings]

Kinda breaks my heart watching this. Miss flying there

[@uncertifiedpilot]

Very informative, Garry. Thanks!

[@PIlot1701D]

Thanks for sharing. Great education, and I love the scenery. A little different than Tennessee. :)

[@MrSam-db1vw]

Thank you so much for the video even was being old like this and I’m newer here but finally a real flying experience through Spaces live not just talking talking and memorizing. Thanks a lot.

[@skidivr]

great video. thanks

[@avfan967]

Nice summary. Great shirt! :-)

[@user-jr9ud4fb7p]

Thanks for the video

[@gunterra1]

Very interesting!

[@normansekone9981]

Best with directions

[@priscillamacfarlane2350]

Hi thanks for the video

[@tomcos8911]

I fly though that pass once .with two people that never flew in small plane, Very turbulent...On return from palm springs flew over the pass nice and smooth..Keep the blue side up...

[@GarryWing]

+Tom Cosentino Yeah, when you see those windmills spinnin' full-speed that's a sign it may be breezy. I flew the Cub through the pass yesterday, 33-kt. tailwind... Fast ground speed, but no turbulence or shear @ 4,500' (winds were calm at KPSP & Hemet at the time...)

[@robertcollins2771]

Gary another great video thank you very much.

[@thedarkriver1]

Is So-cal interchangeable with ATC?

[@bryanhauschild4376]

I have to fly there in December so I am here seeing how it’s done in that part of the world. I’ll be coming in from the east over Joshua Tree. What altitude would give me 2000’ above that area?

[@276AZ]

What GoPro housing do you use? I haven't found one that has an opening for the audio cable.

[@GarryWing]

+276AZ It's called a _Black & Decker 1/4" drill_...:)

[@jeff8565]

I don't know if I will ever get my radio work down correctly so much to know

[@747-pilot]

It comes with LOTS of experience. Many people assume you can "learn" this stuff, and that's just not accurate. You can only learn the BASICS. You have to actually fly hundreds and hundreds of hours in the controlled/towered environment to get really good and "fluid" at it!! Unfortunately, I did all of my primary training in the UNCONTROLLED environment, and it constitutes about 130-ish of my 160 total hours! So, with just 30 hours in the controlled/towered environment, I'm sorta getting the "hang of it", but I can see that there's no way I can become an expert at it, without flying SEVERAL hundred hours, talking to ATC! As you said there are so many variations and situations! Although pilots are not held to the same standards as controllers, and while it is sorta OK to use "regular" language (which I do every now and again), standard phraseology is strongly preferred/encouraged. For instance, it was only recently, that I learned, if you cannot do something you're supposed to say "UNABLE". Today, in this video, I learned "UNRESTRICTED" and "RESTRICTED" for altitude!

[@NotoriousTRP]

i just started ppl training, where would i find the frequency the contact the TRSA before entering?

[@arjunsinghyadav4273]

I am sure you figured it but for others, it’s in the chart supplement

[@khayamshahbazi2492]

I remember was flying midnight with a C152 and wind 21KT, they gave me left traffic and I got into med turbulence and I couldn’t land with that wind😁and head backed home

[@Dentfly1]

In ForeFlight, there are also frequencies for the palm spring TRSA that are different from SoCal Apr frequency. When would you use those frequencies?

[@GarryWing]

I see 126.7 & 135.275 for TRSA and SoCal Approach in ForeFlight (TRSA traffic is handled by SoCal; it's not another controller). I rarely hear them use the 135 (low staffing, I assume). 126.7 is the freq. they give on ATIS for all arrivals. I used to spend time trying to figure out the correct freq. to contact ATC on in different areas; the last few years, I just pick a freq. off the chart or FF, and if it's not correct, they'll tell you what freq. to use.

[@Dentfly1]

Thanks for the reply! That makes. I need to start doing that. I tend to stress out about all these frequencies, during my flight planing. But it makes to call the one you think is correct and if it’s not they’ll just let you know.

[@calebbyers]

did you just put in flaps well above white arc?

[@GarryWing]

Vfe in a C182 is 140 KIAS... so..... I don't think so.

[@DanielWhiting]

From SD do you prefer approaching PSP from Banning vs. Thermal/south?

[@GarryWing]

+Daniel Whiting Either is fine; less climbing thru Banning, but sometimes a bit turbulent. Look at BALDI intersection, sometimes I'll fly: SEE-> VPSLJ -> BALDI -> KPSP. Start bringing the power back north of Warner Springs & dive-bomb into KPSP!

[@WizzRacing]

I never had to deal with TRSA yet but why is it marked, Participation is voluntary on the part of the pilot. Sounds unsafe to me.

[@beijingkoala4]

+Claude “Reviews4U” Rains I've regularly observed the Palm Springs TRSA to be busier than many Charlie airspace

[@Somethingisntright64]

It's not voluntary in the Palm Springs TRSA, you must contact SoCal to enter.

[@DraGon-cg6ge]

what are you flying ?

[@GarryWing]

A Cessna T182T.

[@Jetairplane]

what does TSRA stand for?

[@GarryWing]

+UAV Flyer flythewing.com/308/Blog/Entries/2016/2/8_TRSA_Procedures.html

[@Jetairplane]

thanks, just finished reading the article it was very informative!

[@tomcos8911]

Flew not fly. Edit first post. Sorry...