Truck driver's nightmare

[@stevenlebrigant6910]

Lot of people think driving a truck it's Like driving a car .... , But it's a very difficult job and Lot of people are smiling when a trucker IS in difficult , i repeat but no trucker , no food , no fuel , nothing ... Respect the trucker!!!

[@emr5060]

A lot of silly truckers think they are driving a car when they try roads unsuitable for the size of their vehicle - but maybe it's just to show off how skillful they are at reversing out of a bad situation

[@stevenlebrigant6910]

@@emr5060 ok , you think trucker IS Silly, , do you Never make a mistake ? You dont now what about your speaking about trucking , if somebody Can help you lol

[@alankerr8036]

Well put, the old saying "IF YOU'VE GOT IT, A TRUCK BROUGHT IT!!! "

[@northwalesmod]

@@emr5060 Fool..

[@jjmmjj9999]

@@emr5060 not a very fair comment is it... If a road has a tight bend up ahead or house roofs that come into the road you're not going to see that 5 miles back when you're just turning into it are you... Same as driving a long van. There's swing on the rear and you will end up over lane lines at many times. I drive all through Essex, lanes roads, rural country roads that are literally just enough for a car let alone a tractor and trailer. Overhanging branches, power lines etc. You're never going to know that before you go down the road/path and see you can't fit. Reversing something you can't see out of the back of isn't fun, nor easy and many car drivers (like yourself) fail to understand that we need the extra swing, space, stopping time/distance and can't just accelerate like you can.

[@mickm234]

Nothing wrong with that. A day without damage is a good day.

[@mattclement1678]

The last thing that driver needed is some idiot recording him. I think he did a great job of controlling that truck.

[@jimbanda]

The guy recording him owns the corner building, I would record it too, trucks don't usually go up there.

[@almostanengineer]

I’m a little confused as to how a person, recording from a public place is ‘an idiot’, if anything this actually shows the driver was a skilled driver, and made the correct decision, having gotten into a situation, he controlled his lorry adequately, made a couple attempts and spoke to the drivers in his way for reversing and changing route before doing so, giving him a safe way in order to do this.

[@przemyslawstasiuk3444]

@Ed Straker wooow that was so smart Man. Refink all situation because you don't understand mate

[@markwright3161]

@Ed Straker Do you know where it was delivering to or what route their customer(s) or route planner requires them to take? This could be exactly the way they've been told to come by some desk jockey that doesn't have the slightest idea of how much space an artic needs to turn and just because a large van can make it their 60 foot rig shouldn't have any problems who won't take anything the driver has to say about it and can't be argued with if the driver wants to stay employed, until they attempt it and get stuck, but the route planners/transport managers etc are much less disposable than the drivers in the companies eyes so they stay to continue screwing up. They'd probably look at the truck stationary in that piece of road, see that if tight to 1 kerb they have about a metre of space to the other and think 'what's the driver finding so difficult driving up a road with that much space' without any idea how little space that actually is once you start turning even slightly, never mind what others are describing as double 90 degree S bends uphill on slick wet tarmac.

[@ziefik]

@Ed Straker knob

[@leeaston7101]

Why do cars just sit there behind when it's obvious what the truck needs to do

[@neilmcdonnell2964]

Fair play to your man kindly telling them to move it, then for another muppet to to the very same thing!

[@leeaston7101]

@@neilmcdonnell2964 can't tell you many times it's happened to me especially down London and when I was learning the trade miss judged a tight traffic light had to reverse to adjust and pull forward still couldn't quite get so same manoeuvre and cars keep creeping up behind on my blindside peeping at me it's a nightmare 😂

[@gregsutton6258]

Because the car driver is a fuck wit perhaps

[@basvanbeers3515]

@@neilmcdonnell2964 it's the same bloody muppet. What a fucking single celled organism!!

[@neilmcdonnell2964]

@@basvanbeers3515 my god that's even worse. Didn't notice till you said that!

[@sandradent65]

Well done to all rig drivers. They deserve our respect. I struggle reversing a car

[@ibexdnb2879]

Good job getting himself out. Top driving.

[@Tiswhattitis]

Yeah it's a mixture of not enough weight over the drive wheels, wet road and on a climb! He could have tried the diff lock ,it may have got him round on a bit of a run up! Guess we'll never know. I used to love being with my old man on the wagons, I've seen him get though many tricky situations!! Lorry drivers deserve a lot of respect in my opinion because it's not easy driving these things about day in day out! It's seeing the stresses and strains my dad went through and the way he was spoken to by his boss and warehouse managers that made me choose a different career!! My dad has worked his balls off being a lorry driver for over 35 years, and have very little to show for it! He still rents a place and drives an old car! This is why there's a shortage of lorry drivers! Because nobody is willing to work stupid hours and be treated like you are shit on people's shoes for shit money!

[@tonydean2541]

Richard Haywood Great comment and 100% true. Respect to your old man.

[@seamusburke9101]

Been there Richard, done that.

[@belso53]

I was alright going forward, but my reversing was decidedly dodgy. Went on the till in Tesco, only a £1 an hour less, at the time. Lorry drivers never get the respect, and far too often treated like shite.

[@johnmagee9687]

Great Comment,very true..p.s the diff lock would have put him straight in to the wall in that situation there 👍

[@walterburger5281]

@@johnmagee9687 Single axle drive tractor. There is no differential lock.

[@patgal8588]

That's the thing about being a truck driver if u have a problem you're on your own.

[@bendover-sz4ti]

Not always

[@jimbanda]

He got help from two guys there, but I know what u mean.

[@carpoholicz]

Definitely, people will help but it’s you who needs to use all your skills to get out of the kind of situation.

[@zioxei]

welcome to life

[@bendover-sz4ti]

Migga

[@wrestlingterrier8366]

American truck drivers do not have to go through this, are much better paid, their trucks offer a lot more comfort when it comes to personal space and sleeping, enjoy more safety (no crazy cargo and fuel theft by professional mafias or other truckers), enjoy a more sophisticated network of rest areas, get paid MUCH more and above all are treated with a lot more respect by general public and companies. I know people that have worked as truckers in both America and Europe and they all agree that their job in Europe does not get the respect it deserves.

[@jimbanda]

HGV's normally avoid that corner, it's a short tight S , 45° right 45° Left. To make it worse he seems not to have got the widest possible swing in which meant he was gonna hit the trailer off the building on right hand side. Some people even in cars ,who are bad on the handbrake avoid that corner. Castle St, Castlebar. But the driver stayed cool and it was sorted.

[@dub_dub1504]

Far as I can see he recovered really well considering the pressure he was under.

[@jimbanda]

@@dub_dub1504 He did, and quite quickly , plus he was unlikely to have known how that corner pans out, maybe even following sat nav. Should be a sign really... Saying no HGV's. I just drove that corner ten mins ago 🚙 sadly no drama 😂

[@landi76]

*as a Lorry diver - i dream this nighmare weekly*

[@mikeb6385]

I love Ireland.. Must go back there when all the covid shit is over.

[@thomasburke2683]

This just demonstrates the folly of medieval streetscapes being used by juggernauts designed for 20th century highways.

[@suzyqualcast6269]

Sat navs more like.

[@northwalesmod]

Do you want your food ,etc Delivered on a horse & cart this year are next???!!!!!?

[@richard6440]

@@northwalesmod They use artics because you can more on them. deliver in bulk = cheaper items. just as easy to deliver in a 7.5 tonner , you'll just have to deliver 5 of them , for what was one artic delivery , and the items will be more expensive , and 5 times as many trucks on the road. Which it used to be , until artics arrived.

[@richard6440]

@@northwalesmod : the maximum permitted weight for an articulated vehicle in the early 1960s was 24 tons, its maximum length 33 feet and payload of 15 tons. By 1964 the maximum gross weight of an articulated lorry was raised from to 32 tons on four axles and the maximum axle weight from 9 to 10 tons. In 1968 the length limit was raised to 49 feet.

[@taffy7hfa897]

These guys have such a tough job to do, they deserve our respect and support.

[@rattus3102]

So true! 🙂👍

[@Bulletguy07]

And absolutely nobody went to ask the driver if they could help in any way.

[@i80748]

Yes exactley what I was thinking.

[@mickb6285]

Brave try, but know when to quit, that's a wise driver. Lack of grip on a bend is treacherous in that sort of situation. He's already got lift axle raised. Putting diff lock in would probably make tractor under steer straight into the white wall.

[@a320nick]

@Mick B interesting 👍

[@Dat-yi4iz]

This is why I could never do this job it is a nightmare I imagine at tomes

[@chris075uk]

After watching the video a couple of times I don't think it's the tightness of the corner that's the problem, he seems to be losing traction on the wet slope, as you can see the drive axle side slip a couple of times before the traction control cuts power. Kingspan, whose trailer it is, make expanded foam insulation which weighs next to nothing, so with little weight pushing down on the drive wheels, it is very easy to get stuck.

[@TheStephenheath]

correct

[@stevedawson610]

Agreed

[@didriknymoen5204]

In Norway we have very good training for driving on ice and slippery roads, because of our winter climate. In this particular situation I'd disable the TC, enable the diff lock and lock the truck in 2nd gear and spin up the slope.

[@Stevo8]

@@didriknymoen5204 That's the way to do it.

[@chronically.advocating]

@@didriknymoen5204 One problem with that if it is actually ice and snow you've just completely screwed the next person over by slicking it up. You try to avoid spinning period if you can you want to hit the proper gear and speed combination that momentum will take you up the hill.

[@a320nick]

Thats the coolest car driver in that blue focus. Most would be trying to squeeze through or cause a rumpus!!

[@paulthomas3841]

Humans that sit in a car Can't Reverse a Car,

[@jasonga]

This has happened to me many a time, you do it in the end though....

[@maciejsobolewski4646]

I am just about to start as a lorry driver within 1 week. When i see movie like this one i am scared alot.

[@varades]

Arseholes still continue to come up behind a reversing vehicle !

[@MegaJohnhammond]

look at the bright side, now he's got a full days experience.

[@seamusburke9101]

Id say he has a bit more than that Mega John!

[@fastasfox]

The cars will always just sit there .

[@robhardingham6770]

Poor bugger. What year was this shot? Looks like a Fruehauf made, Speedliner curtain sided trailer for TIP fleet...."One of ours dad!"

[@beanie4119]

We as truck drivers have a been in that situation, Absolute nightmare, Now it’s time to block the road to look at the map again, No signal for Google maps, Not good, get stuck looking like Kevin keegan, When on route again Kojak 🤗

[@jeffshaw4553]

Been in this situation couple of times some times you get nice person thst will help you out abs stop traffic

[@101ThunderRock]

He did the right thing, got out to see where he was headed. Used to go through tight spots every day like that when I was on the road.

[@jamesi2018]

if he is in a truck that size he needs a truck satnav or he needs to plan his route better there is no excuse for this kind of clownery, he should be sacked

[@chronically.advocating]

Anyone else get mad at and start yelling at the 4 wheelers behind the truck or was it just me? Very good job of getting yourself out of a sticky situation.

[@gert-janvanderlee5307]

No use. There are always clueless drivers with every truck engaged in a difficult manoeuvre, and then blame the truck driver if it takes longer because of their own stupidity. If I see something like this I try to stop behind the truck, leaving as much room as possible, but leave enough room and there will always be brainless idiots who overtake you and stop right behind the truck.

[@feargal2433]

So true. Where does all the self-entitlement come from? 🤔

[@andrewccochrane8052]

had a simular situation in perugia italy 18 years ago but happy iam retired from it after 53 years international and middle east and i tell ya those italies have no patience at all take the horn out thier cars and they cant drive

[@endybear3750]

glad the guy took it slow and rather professional fixing his mistake and glad noone just booted up right behind him.

[@raymondlin8728]

Wow that driver has skills!!

[@brianlanders5306]

Pretty good job getting out of a bad situation!!!

[@willparsons32]

He'd be best to pull fully ahead about 1¹/² Lenths then start backing up fresh!

[@michaelatkinson6834]

Me old granny would have pulled the driver of out of dat Der truck and got up dat hill in the blink of a leprechauns eye

[@papadoc711]

fair play that was a tight corner.

[@markog1999]

"I got 99 gears ..."

[@dinofolder]

A driving licence is a privilige not a god given right.........as such your licence is given to you because you passed certain criteria... How many of you when stuck behind a learner driver curse and swear forgetting you were once like them ???.... common courtesy and a thought for others go a long way in making the world better place....

[@COL-1]

Those car drives are idiots pulling up behind and beeping their horn, where do they expect the reversing truck to go, can't they see the reverse lights?

[@neilmoon4766]

Nice but of driving a real driver getting himself out of a situation on his own ,5 mins up the road put it behind him or her

[@llVIU]

welcome to europe!!!!!! Where the streets are utter fucking shit and not even google maps gives a shit about having a "truck driver" option. No warnings for heights or weight limits, no option to stop giving us bullshit tight narrow roads.

[@ems4580]

Any of you new wanna be fast track drivers take note👍🏼

[@Keepingitrespectfulmostly.]

Could be panicking because he isn't turning his front wheels at the earliest opportunity right after he has reversed a bit, just before he moves forward again. Numb nuts in the first car took their time to move.

[@alexanderpo1496]

itt a sofőr a rémálom, nem a helyzet...

[@Dan-uv5lw]

They don't now what they are doing. That truck should have NEVER been there.

[@garymccarver5006]

Actually a wise driver, but I still think I smelled a hint of burning clutch in this video.

[@samarthguleria788]

Though this truck has v8 (according to sound) Rather than our more than 98% of Indian trucks having boring but reliable cummins inline 6 with maximum 1000nm torque and no more than 400 hp

[@RealHIFIHelp]

Tough job.

[@johnturner8152]

Yet members of the public will curse at them 🤔

[@axelzabicki2058]

Das ist manchmal so.

[@almostanengineer]

I’m not a truck driver, but is their a reason he’s not dropping his lift axle, would that not give him a little more traction?

[@Luton-Mick]

It would give him less if he dropped the tag axle as it would reduce the load on the drive wheels.

[@almostanengineer]

@@Luton-Mick thank you :)

[@thbe51]

GPS error?

[@jorg8714]

Bei 0:03 könnt ihr's Video wechseln - DAS geht jetzt noch 3 Minuten lang hin und her.

[@marcel599]

Nobody helps.....🤨😠

[@stevedawson610]

Absolutely, but very quick to get the camera out though

[@joebloggs8422]

Phone the police and ask for assistance.

[@feargal2433]

As the great Christy Moore (Irish singer/songwriter+) said, "I've never known a situation so bad that the arrival of the gardaí (Irish police) didn't make it worse." Nuff said. 😂🤣😉👍

[@syedyasirali3340]

I don't think its nightmare. It is just normal for them. Nightmare is when some stupid car driver make a brake check.

[@adamchrzanowski8844]

ireland country for van,no trucks,south africa

[@feargal2433]

Old Ireland, yes. I agree with you. But you should see the road network today. Bloody great.

[@pristineclean977]

I would have rammed that blue focus that wouldn’t move

[@frederiknieborg5239]

Good publicity for kingspan

[@timpriddy349]

Northeast is my problem.....I will stay in TEXAS.......

[@jbland3509]

What language are they speaking? Norwegian.?

[@polsick]

Ireland

[@MSI2k]

@KevTee this is what I miss about you lol

[@jruicker1]

Eh, Looks like a Tuesday.

[@kleinerHippie]

typisch auch der bescheuerte PKW Fahrer, der durch möchte.

[@001looker]

If i was the first driver, i would have refused to move.

[@JohnSmith-qv3ll]

Yes it was a ecumenical matter

[@jamalszmal429]

Probably used google maps :P

[@richardgiles2484]

Kingspan. How do I know that name 🤔

[@wildcat22]

The guy in the focus wasn't to slow about getting back in place.

[@insidex2001]

NOICE cheers M8

[@johnkrols7974]

Why would anyone in their right mind want to take this routing? Never heard of preparation?

[@madanto2394]

Done the right thing could use that as a video in CPC training lol.

[@trevorgibb1019]

Not a chance. Way too much helpful info for a driver. CPC is all about do this, do that or DVSA will get ya!

[@madanto2394]

@@trevorgibb1019 somebody @dft was on bad batch of cocaine hence the coming about of cpc.

[@almaxx9680]

Is this brexits fault aswell😆

[@mapex1976]

Pawvel would of got up there boi

[@lees2559]

😂😂😂

[@lucykitcatt]

Should not have followed his sat nav

[@jamesarmstrong8260]

UK roads are not built for trucks

[@Onthemove6801]

What do you suggest then, do away with trucks or redesign all our roads, perhaps put everything on rails and lay tracks to all our supermarkets?

[@mikeb8342]

This guy needs more driving lessons. Looked like he might have made the original turn and definitely would have made his 2nd choice turn easier IF he would have only chose to grab some sidewalk. SMH

[@TrshOnCrack]

And you need a new set of eyes, it’s not about the turn, it’s about not having any traction due to the wet road, it’s not as easy as it looks to get a loaded artic up on hill in wet conditions.

[@HowToTouch]

These guys bring our food to our table. Lots of respect for these folk.

[@Mike_Greentea]

Hell yeah any country! This job is not as easy as It looks!

[@CarlSab9088]

Thankyou for your respect brother I appreciate it. 🤝

[@splitters2477]

We don't get respect on the road...you try pulling out of a junction, no car drivers will let us out,or to overtake another vehicle on the motorway, cars will sit at the side of us,to stop us pulling out....its just sheer arrogance, and ignorance....

[@davidyoung9561]

@@Mike_Greentea I can vouch for that as a class1 HGV driver myself. I have been in a similar situation and it doesn't help when you get an audience.

[@andyontourbrokendreams7120]

The respect is coming 20 years too late. Used abused blackmailed treated like shit

[@grahammace5060]

Castle Street, Castlebar, Co Mayo. features a narrow, double bend on a steep incline. The surface gets very slick after a drop of rain and I've had wheelspin on it with an ordinary car, putting a bit of power on to climb the gradient. It's not "lorry friendly" though theres no prohibition for such vehicle using it. That trailer is a bit long to take the bend with the overhanging buildings, driver realises it, and is extricating himself from a worsening situation.

[@EddieTruckingAdventures]

The driver could have taken an urban trailer which is alot shorter

[@yuripuri639]

You sure? Looks to me like the trailer is heavy and he keeps losing power. Pulling the weight from 0mhp on an incline whilst also turning into the bend is a recipe for disaster, especially for older lorries.

[@EddieTruckingAdventures]

@@yuripuri639 hgv trailers have a tail swing which is wide they take wide berths

[@yuripuri639]

@@EddieTruckingAdventures Fine but still looks like he's loosing power and rolling back to me.

[@EddieTruckingAdventures]

@@yuripuri639 depends on the axle configuration and the hp

[@derekheeps1244]

Driver did well to recognise that he could not go forward , and found a safe alternative

[@johnmcmanus129]

A common problem in ireland now is the fact that a lot of the warehouses and factories we have to go to were built 30 years ago when lorries were a lot shorter, getting them now with 55ft plus is a pure nightmare sometimes, especially when cars refuse to give you space to manoeuvre safely.

[@lombardotheking]

nothing that any driver in ireland isnt use to,man did well to get her out without damaging nothing

[@LowCountryMack]

Respects to our fellow Drivers from 'Across The Pond' and around the world from a 30 year veteran. It would seem that 4 wheelers consideration for themselves, and their inconsideration for Rig Drivers, is a plague no matter what part of the world your in. Love the fact that Blind Side Backing changes sides depending on what part of the world you live also. Carry on Drivers. Steering Wheel Holders need not apply. 🚚🇺🇲👍🍻

[@fredmurray4185]

Not taking anything away from the driver but it's not a nightmare, it's just a part of the job. People who drive artics know this. Everyday is a challenge to do something out of the ordinary keeps you on your toes. Driving was my life, I loved it, still do although not with HGVs (retired) my last job was delivering materials on building sites which usually involved a lot of manouvering, the only thing I didn't enjoy was emptying my load (crane) in the rain and other jobs doing the same route 7 times a day (tipper) particularly with a lorry I hated (Leyland Bison). Driven Merc Actross and Volvo Globetrotter XL, but the one that I loved best was the 8 wheeler Atkinson with Gardner engine DB box.

[@thomasburke2683]

What was wrong with the Leyland bison? And indeed what was the attraction of the Atkinson? I've no prejudice in this matter, just interested / curious.

[@stibstabler4689]

I think Fred may be joking about his favourite pile of junk ,Gardner engine and David brown gearbox included!!

[@seamusburke9101]

What in gods name is there to like about an Atkinson. If dont poison you with fumes it'll make you deaf in at least one ear or mabey rattle your bones so much youll fall apart!

[@Jademyheart]

real driving there boy💯👌 no clutch, just ease her in... real driving, good old Eaton splitter.... separates the men from the 🤴🤴 kids would panic today, even In an 4 legger basic.... I can't believe they pass on auto wagons, there still about mind you..... what the hell do they do then?

[@seamusburke9101]

@@thomasburke2683 you dont seem to be getting any answers so let me try to help, an Atkinson is very nice to both look at and listen to from the outside only. Inside its unfit for human habitation. A Leyland Bison on the other hand, now thats a complete heap of shit. Neither the driver nor the owner gets any pleasure out of a Bison. Extremly troublesome driveline, ie propshafts, hub reduction, centre box, leaf springs. Some engine trouble too with the early ones. Dont ever drive either of these not even for a laugh!

[@dirkdriessen1133]

No one guides him. Smal car driver are thinking "well, when he reachs me, he surely will start to fly"

[@alexclement7221]

Ah, the joys of driving; having to back out of your mistake. Thank god nobody was filming the time I had to back a full mile down a road I mistook as my turnoff...

[@gert-janvanderlee5307]

The mistake here would be to just continue to try drive up the slope. Backing up because going forward isn't working isn't a mistake in my opinion.

[@johnmcmanus129]

With the first words we utter when we get clear being,,, "well I won't be doing that again in a hurry" 🤣

[@philippreitshammer]

Wouldn't be half the nightmare without silly drivers behind who just stop and look

[@acustomer3518]

NOW HOW MANY TIMES THAT HAPPENED TO ME BACK IN THE 90S JUST NOT EVERYONE WAS CAMERA HAPPY THEN, INSTEAD OF FILMING, THE PRICK COULDVE HELPED HIM

[@pugmug77]

The joys of truck driving and wonder why people don't want to do it 🤔

[@paulie5076]

Poor bastard, but it does happen to the best of us

[@stevencoyne4971]

Well done driver !!

[@Paul-tg4xg]

Over 25 years driving these rigs and come across similar scenarios over my time. Deliver for Tesco's and it defies logic where they build their stores in some villages where the roads are barely wide enough to to get round. then you get the odd car driver who decides he wants to park his car on the road narrowing it even further. so some think driving a 44 tonner is a walk in the park. Believe me it takes years to master the skills required to become a professional. Lessons and tests will get you into the truck but it takes at least 2 years to even pass you off as experienced

[@johnlamb2754]

He must have the same make of sat nav as I've got.

[@jjmmjj9999]

There's a few decent units out there (even cheap Chinese ones now too) that you can put your weight, length, width and even emmisions category (euro 4/5/6) and it'll route you around width restrictions, height restrictions (bridges, powerlines etc) and around London/lez/ulez Very handy. The tom-tom or garmin units are upwards of £200 but the Chinese ones cost considerably less

[@DZTRUCK3R]

Aidez le au lieu de filmer !!!! Il sacrifie sa vie dans cette minuscule cabine pour acheminer les marchandises vers les magasins dans lesquels vous faites vos achats… Le respect est mort, y a plus d’empathie…

[@UyScuty09]

That's way I love Texas...😂😂

[@boboften9952]

Cars Reverses Two Foot Back People It's A Thirty Foot Truck ( At Least ) . Please Help By Removing Yourself From The Area . Please Help The Driver By Removing Others From The Area . Safety . We All Need To Get Home . .... Safely . Please Be Aware . ( I Have Directed Trucks , Trailers Across Three Lanes Of Traffic To Get Them Into Drive Ways . ) Thank You For Reading .

[@Deiseboi]

Welcome to Ireland...lovely narrow roads..I deliver mainly to farms here in Ireland with feed pulling a 31 ton load...first think I do put in manual gear then diff lock on press lower lifting axle button that helps but can still get stuck or spin on cow shit..I am amazed at where your expected to deliver too...did few year diving coaches and after driving all over ireland you guys in UK have way wider roads..if you want to perfect you driving skills come over here ...lol

[@paulmunro3175]

You mislabeled the title, it should read 'Truck driver follows directions by dumb as f*&k dispatcher.' Most of these situations are the result of greedy companies with dispatchers with little or no experience behind the wheel. The bigger the truck the more the company makes so the shoot for the moon and hope for the best. The best scenario is a driver who has enough experience to bail out dumb as f*& dispatcher.

[@p51mustang18]

If the people who plan the routes for these guys would only take into account road widths and other restrictions.

[@jamesarmstrong8260]

Planners don't plan routes they just give us destination. They're all wankers lot of em

[@flipper2392]

@@jamesarmstrong8260 It's a requirement for the job.