True crime brutal murders of Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub an open case with unknown crime scene DNA

When Johnny Clarke and Lisa Straub were killed inside a Holland home in true crime brutal murders on Jan. 30, 2011, it shocked the community.
It was a brutal crime - a young couple killed by suffocation - bags placed over their heads, held in place by duct tape wrapped around their necks.
That method of killing simply doesn't happen in Toledo. And the case is open, with sets of unknown crime scene DNA still unidentified.
"That specific of an MO, we have not had any cases like that," Capt. Matt Luettke of the Lucas County Sheriff's Department said.
If you know any information about this case, please call CrimeStoppers at 419-255-1111 or the detective's bureau at 419-213-4917. Or reach out to Brian Dugger at [e-mail].
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If you know any information about this case, please call CrimeStoppers at 419-255-1111 or the detective's bureau at 419-213-4917. Or reach out to WTOL 11's lead investigator, Brian Dugger, at [e-mail].

[@patrickjm3487]

How ya getting on great channel and it’s all truth in it Lovely young couple killed for no reason whatsoever may they rest in peace in heaven)) Terrible news for anyone to get)) I really do know what it’s like to be in the same position as these kids family’s feel I had my brother was murderd back in 2008 and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone whatsoever it’s unforgettable but it’s still on your mind and time does help and you will never forget)) May they become angels in heaven

[@natashabarratt8039]

Aaĺ

[@patrickjm3487]

Great channel very interesting stuff Thanks for sharing this video etc etc Keep them coming mate god bless ya’ll

[@rickjustus6416]

What's to tell. Cigarette butts don't teleport to locations you've never been.

[@fuzzamajumula]

@@rickjustus6416 But they can get stuck to the bottom of shoes. Use your imagination. The cops seemed to have nothing but the butt. They weren't getting what they wanted from people who came in in this guy's defense, so they lied to them. They still didn't get anything. They were desperate.

[@easypeezie4494]

When a 911 operator is rude or nasty during a call it should be instant termination.

[@staceydupree8488]

Yes it should 💯

[@lynnhathorn]

If they're that jaded with such an important job, they need to leave, helpful people will gladly take over.

[@scallopohare9431]

Trouble is, that operator is trying to get useful info from dithering caller.

[@easypeezie4494]

@@scallopohare9431 it’s no excuse. I’ve heard so many calls where the operator is just nasty and hateful. The caller is going through extreme stress. Possibly dealing with the worst thing that’s ever happened in their life. Of course they may be distracted, scared, frantic, etc. it’s not asking too much for the operator to stay calm and polite imo.

[@jazzyjazz9872]

@@easypeezie4494 what abt job training were they not trained well to manage whatever situation the victims in ??

[@101st_AB]

The only thing worse than a murderer, is the lazy DA who's unwilling to put in the work to catch him!

[@gunlokman]

Agreed. But I think it's got more to do with tight budgets. Even horrific murder investigations are sadly budgeted for on a spreadheet somewhere.

[@Blablabla27...]

so many DAs are so lazy it happened in a case of mine I didn’t agree with the way she was handling it and told her so to spite Me she basically let a child molester walk free I blame this pig as much as I blame the one that molested my children. there are over five children willing to testify what he did to them for over 15 years... KARMA Will catch her and I hope the same in this case

[@ShanieCakesss]

Detective s

[@valeriehardy5931]

So typical

[@coreysmith3358]

That's why we have so much unsolved muders here in Toledo too...

[@nacho_ncam]

The use of jailhouse snitches need to be illegal. They lie their asses off so much.

[@garrettmeadows2273]

Jailhouse snitches are about as reliable as a rubber crutch. What you said is so true.

[@Jennifer-yh3lx]

And is conveniently he’s dead now…they will say anything to get their charges decreased or dropped

[@Mexicobeanpole]

Yep. Because they have nothing to lose.

[@quanbrooklynkid7776]

That's you in your profile picture

[@WTOL11]

My biggest concern with Eric Yingling’s testimony is that it was all previously known. Prosecutors indicated that he knew unknown information about Iraqi dinars in the home. But that information was released on a search warrant days after the killings. The detective incorrectly said on the state that it was not public knowledge. - Brian Dugger

[@lovejunkie6078]

Run that DNA again!!! It’s been 10 years!! I can’t believe how dismissive the cop was about this. They arrested the wrong guy who’s still in jail but yet the case is still open? And still not running DNA!?

[@RindaJane]

Absolutely agree.. the technology today is solving cases 40 or 50 years ago. Get off your butts and run this DNA. I bet they would have if it was their family member rotting away in a prison. I do not believe that man is guilty. That cigarette could have been placed there or stuck to one of the murderers shoes. Too many witnesses proving he was at the bar and NOT anywhere near the crime scene. His phone pinged near the bar NOT the crime scene.... wow

[@kimberlysnider4285]

From what I gathered they never ran the DNA period

[@RindaJane]

@@kimberlysnider4285 I think they said in 2013.. if so. Technology is so much more advanced in 8 years. Run that DNA...

[@jadeitetellurian]

@Hip Shooter a bold statement when considering corruption knows no bounds or borders...

[@evabartlett4599]

@Hip Shooter innocent until proven guilty is how America is supposed to work.

[@franknstein33]

This is scary. Not the murder, but the conviction. The murder is sad ☹️

[@july1293]

I thought the same, they put a guy in jail without evidence, maybe the real killer put that cigarette in the scene, it's ridiculous ...

[@pieluvr7362]

Xfiles smoking man did it

[@lyndseyjo518]

Whoever was in on this thinks they got away with it but eventually it will come to light. I'm sure they're scared to death seeing this reopen!!!! Karma!!!

[@davidwright873]

The Golden State Killer.....he thought he was golden for sure....look what went down with that!!

[@DirtCobaine]

Appreciate what you’re doing, if this ever happened to me and someone was wrongfully accused of killing me and the real murder was still out there I can only pray there’s someone like you out there spreading the truth and trying to get this case shut and the wrong people out of prison

[@wizzardofpaws2420]

One thing I've learned from Crime Shows is how the police can lie to you and tell you they have evidence when in fact they have nothing.

[@ginaperez8139]

Yes so true also even if the Detectives know that they have made a mistake they will not I repeat will not admit to making that mistake period. So this man is going to spend the rest of his life in jail, for a murder he did not commit 😐 🤔 Wow this is so sad. God I pray that there is justice in this case and get the right murderer so he she or they can receive what they deserve. God BLESS Johnny & Lisa may they both rest @ Peace in HEAVEN. AMEN 🙏 🙏

[@fuzzamajumula]

Yeah. Then the cops talk about how everyone else is a liar. I guess they think everyone else is just like they are. Lying without compunction.

[@sarabrian6]

Unknown DNA on duct tape used on the victims?! This is a total wrong conviction. Unreal.

[@scottlaux6934]

Maybe but why was his cigarette there?

[@belmum1689]

@@scottlaux6934 B/c he was there

[@WatchTashi]

@@scottlaux6934 look where it was found, use your brain…Ppl don’t leave cigarette butts in the hallway of a house. Iirc it had mixed dna, of several ppl. But I might be wrong on that.

[@Lonely_Goat]

Funny how the police believe a jailhouse snitch but don't believe multiple witnesses with no criminal records

[@williamrose7184]

Multiple DNA samples on the duct tape but none of it matched the dude that was convicted? What

[@sarabrian6]

Insane. The legal system is insane.

[@haileennevsmom09]

sick

[@christianWilliams-pc4jn]

@Hip Shooter exactly I was just about to type that.

[@Christina-71]

@Hip Shooter are you implying that the man convicted for the crime was smart enough to wear gloves so his DNA wouldn't be found on the duct tape, but stupid enough to throw his cigarette down at the crime scene? 😂

[@ginaperez8139]

They have the wrong man!! An innocent man is in prison unjustified for sure! He needs to be released and they need to get off their lazy asses and find the true murderer!!!

[@kdj703]

I'm a nurse that did phone triage for 10 years. That 911 operator is the worst.

[@crazy32people55]

Sorry, but a triage nurse isn’t the same as a 911 operator!

[@thomism1016]

@@crazy32people55 True but some of the same communication skills are required.

[@crazy32people55]

@@thomism1016 a 911 operator faces more challenging calls! Not taking anything from a triage nurse- but at the end of the day it’s: call 911, go to your local ER or urgent care!

[@Ena48145]

Immediately upon clicking on this video I knew it was someone who knew them. This crime is extremely brutal and extremely personal. They locked the wrong man up. Tell me how someone attacks two grown people while smoking a cigarette.. Tell me why someone would drop a cigarette inside of someone's home during a murder.. The people who worked this case make me sick. They have ZERO evidence against this man. ZERO. Idgaf about some cigarette. I can go outside to my condo complex's dumpster and take a used napkin out, stab my ex to death, and drop that used napkin right next to him. This story makes me absolutely sick.

[@ladybug4408]

Exactly, we have the same perspective on cigarette evidence. I've always said if someone wants to commit a crime they can pick up a thrown out coke can or even dropped pubic hairs on public toilets to take and plant wherever they commit their crime.

[@adamrandall5163]

Why did the guy say in the phone call to the intruders 'who are you and what do you want' surely if it was someone they knew even by sight, he would not have responded in that way.

[@JohnSegerclucka]

He dropped his cigarette when things escalated. After the frenzy, he forgot

[@rathergrumpy]

Who said anyone would attack while smoking a cigarette? When that's the the only real evidence, that evidence is pretty damning if you can't prove your alibi

[@Jae-lg6nv]

@@JohnSegerclucka The police said that there was no smell of smoke in the house which made the cigarette stand out. The DNA of Williams is on the cigarette but not on the duct tape, bags ,or anywhere else.

[@Sonny84586]

Every time the state lacks evidence, a jailhouse snitch comes forward.

[@jonigrissett5265]

Ain't that the truth...sad.

[@101st_AB]

You're exactly right. Didn't they say the assh@le snitch was paid thousands of dollars for his testimony? Yep, nothing to see here. The only thing worse than a murderer, is the lazy DA who's unwilling to put in the work to catch him!

[@kayllllllaz]

And gets paid.

[@ginaperez8139]

So friggen crazy! Poor Johnny & Lisa ♧♡☆◇ 🙏 🙏

[@williamrose7184]

That cigarette but seems awful convenient to me. You’re telling me the state found this man guilty from a cigarette butt and a testimony of a jail house snitch? If I sat on the jury I could not have convicted this man On such little of evidence

[@garrettmeadows2273]

The cigarette butt looks planted. Police are not above planting evidence.

[@peterbalac1915]

They certainly don't like being wrong either, who ever is in charge of this case needs to put pride aside case needs reopening.

[@Christina-71]

Scary huh?! How many morons does it take to convict an innocent person? Smh. Every single one on that jury must be a brain dead simpleton.

[@GardengateDreamer]

Yes and don’t forget the snitch was being paid for his testimony!

[@Foldz880]

@@garrettmeadows2273 the killers could have easily planted it to throw police off their trail

[@lisam.878]

I personally have found a cigarette in my car from it sticking in between the sole crevices of my Doc Martins

[@canondocre8650]

So have I while wearing my docs lol. That is extremely possible. It's also, in my mind, entirely possible that it was planted by someone.

[@ChoppingtonOtter]

Me too... and I don't smoke so certainly not mime.

[@sean_punisher7443]

Also the cell phone tower show that his phone pinged off of a tower in East Toledo 20 minutes prior to the murder happening and they clearly said it takes 30+ minutes to get to that house from where Sam would’ve been at in East Toledo there is no possible way his phone paint off of that tower and he made it to the house with 10 minutes to spare and had all that time to do what happened no way that happened

[@hearanecho]

That cigarette seems out of place..... you don't just leave drop or throw a cigarette there. . Seems like someone was just trying to have a suspect. Or they knew the suspect and framed someone else

[@pearl_lisha896]

Right, wouldn’t there have been burn markers?

[@jimmydeewilliams6489]

Had the same thought.. the cigarette butt could have been planted

[@juanitarichards1074]

It could have been stuck to a suspects shoe.....

[@valeriebumblebee7607]

That is the strangest place for a cigarette and makes no sense whatsoever. I can't believe they convicted him bc of that. And cigarette butts are so "openly available" and easy to plant.

[@Elketjeable]

It can stick underneath a shoe.. I once found one in my house, another one still was stuck under my shoe.. I stepped on 2 and they both ended up home with me..

[@lovelydiva06]

I’m not so sure that guy is guilty just based off a cigarette butt, it could’ve been planted there, it could’ve been as someone else mentioned been stuck to someone’s shoe and that’s how it ended up there but that’s not enough evidence to find someone guilty of two murders, this guy could be serving time for someone else’s crime while the real culprit walks free

[@amylapratt8964]

@K Spring rude much? Actually that is absolutely correct. I have walked a lot in my life and had cigarette butts stick on the treads of my sneakers more than once over the years. Who knows whose DNA that was. So if all they have is one cig butt it's most definitely not enough to convict someone of double murder and put them away for life. Not to mention in the garage? Meaning a door that is wide open when it's sometimes windy and can get blown inside. To me this is most definitely not enough. And also several sets of DNA and yelling at two people before the phone cut out?? It's not enough to say definitively at all. I don't believe inmates cuz they lie for extra ramen noodles so no, gotta have more, and they all said one cig butt was it....nope. I pray that something of yours never ends up at a crime scene...you will be singing a different tune.

[@bryonwatkins1432]

@@amylapratt8964 Amy, K Spring is an idiot!!!! After researching the Innocence Project, over 5,000 INNOCENT wrongfully convicted people were exonerated!!!! Also, study the term “Junk Science.” Its various so-called scientific methods law enforcement has used over the years that ALSO gotten a lot of INNOCENT people WRONGFULLY convicted!!!!

[@febiaivy4702]

Culpurits walking tree,,,,

[@sukijay4990]

This story is so badly told, very confusing altogether with its fragments of info, inconsistent timeline and lots of repetition. The cigarette butt could have been found anywhere and been deliberately left there to throw the investigation off track so the DNA on the duct tape would be more reliable. I don’t feel like the police have properly followed up on that. If either of those kids were mine I’d feel very frustrated with the inadequacy of the investigation, and devastated that whoever did it is still out there.

[@amandasoto1563]

A cigarette butt taken from a bar full of them. There is a connection from the bar for sure, but not the cigarette DNA

[@localman12]

I agree... this story was told terribly, very confusing and hard to understand and fallow.

[@bonniemagpie5166]

Agree.

[@LADYtWarrior]

Agree, very badly explained and put together. Hard to understand who's who and what. Terribly conducted.

[@noemihooks4723]

In other words he sucks 😀👍🏾

[@londongunner1]

Convicted of double murder and life with no parole for a cigarette butt??? Just because you can "apparently" prove he was there,and I say apparently because its been documented that dna is sometimes planted, doesnt mean you've proven without reasonable doubt that he was there on the day of the murder. The court system is messed up!

[@captainhowdy8331]

Disgraceful investigation! That poor guy is in jail for someone else's crime!

[@carriehanifen3434]

Anyone at the bar could have got one of his cigarette butts and plant it at the house

[@july1293]

Exactly.

[@WillyMcCoy50]

Yep. Framed

[@juanitarichards1074]

Or brought it in on his shoe.....

[@pieluvr7362]

Xfiles smoking man did it

[@AmazinGraceXOXO1]

@@juanitarichards1074 I was just gonna say that. I've had cigarette butts stuck to the bottom of my boots before

[@mrvarus8957]

The male victim was a huge muscular fella, no way 1 person did this.

[@TheTiesThatBind88]

Gun beats muscle, and some dudes are big for no reason.

[@broeheem2804]

@@TheTiesThatBind88 There was no evidence of a gun being involved.

[@TheTiesThatBind88]

@@broeheem2804 no, but that is how “1 person could’ve done this.”

[@peterbalac1915]

@@TheTiesThatBind88 Spot on, you ain't gonna tackle someone with a knife let alone a gun.

[@sanderson3743]

arms like that are all show, no go. i'd say they got the right guy. he was there. that skank that texted the threats about duct tape was involved, too

[@lillyjacob1134]

Any smoker or ex- smoker would find the placement of that cigarette butt strange. You don't carry around a cigarette butts once they have been put out. You get rid of them at the time and never on the floor inside when it's been put out somewhere else. Doesn't make sense. Don't know if he is innocent but that evidence is so obviously placed there by a non- smoker. It was also in tact so not stepped on. Easily picked up out of an ashtray by someone. Sorry but that's super dodgy "evidence".

[@patsyhodge9071]

a cigarette butt can be carried in stuck to someones shoe quite easily.

[@madmatmp]

Agreed

[@paulmason5335]

Dodgy asf investigators & police. They should be fired

[@bronsontolliver9027]

When I used to smoke I would carry my butts around because I didn't want to litter. I've found them in all kinds of places around my house.

[@iloveschicken6527]

I put my butts in a pocket on my shirt or pants when no ashtray is around. I've forgotten them a few times and they ended up in my washer or dryer or on the floor from falling out of the laundry.

[@MrRaymond1021]

These days nothing can stay a secret. Somebody is going to talk sooner, or later. I hope the families find justice soon.

[@stubstunner]

Tell that to the conspiracy theorists 😂

[@christianb8228]

@@stubstunner the term conspiracy theorist was coined by the CIA after the JFK assassination they told all the mainstream media outlets to refer to people who question the official story as conspiracy theorists and within days every news network was plastering “conspiracy theorist(s)” all over the television and news papers so of course before you know it every single sheeple like yourself started using the term and that’s how it started that’s 100% fact

[@stubstunner]

@@christianb8228 I don’t watch any broadcast news, or read newspapers. So good job intentionally misunderstanding what I meant. “Some people’s current ideas are moronic.” Is that better? You really got quite defensive. Almost like the idea that you’ve been labeled bothers you. Some conspiracies like COVID microchipping, OJ being innocent, flat earth, and the Vegas shooter being government or army is a load of nonsense.

[@MrRaymond1021]

@DannyGirl sorry to hear that. I'm sure one day, they are going to mess up, and when they do. They always do mess up. That's when they are going to get theirs. If they are in the system, they ain't no getting off, believe that. They will get caught. Maybe not sooner than what you want, but they will be caught.

[@alyciamarie4163]

@DannyGirl horrible case but the dna will eventually be linked. Either they will be in the system or familial dna will match

[@Gmenpg]

This is why my 5 dogs aren’t caged lol

[@needparalegal]

Dogs are man's best friend for a reason.

[@hectorherbert6585]

@A.C. A.Yeah.. me too ,I have 6 Italian goonky ,3 hollandese barkers and a Colombian retriever just in case.....

[@hectorherbert6585]

Me too I always keep my 7 dogo's cages wide open .

[@donnaadams5217]

Mine are equipped with assault rifles and a few grenades for good measure

[@trishnelson5944]

Oh thank goodness! My siblings found ME to be the strange one because I have three dogs, sounds to me like I got right in! One of my dogs always places himself between me and whomever is at the house (he's a black lab/shepherd mix) while the pit/shepherd mix circles them. The third dog tends to stay in the next room like she's going to take them by surprise. She's the most aggressive of the three.

[@erkaderka3571]

Cigarette butts have found their way in my house just from accidentally stepping on one while I'm wearing shoes with thick soles. SKECHERS

[@WhiteRabbit1209]

Oh yeah, my Sketchers like to pick up huge pieces of gravel too

[@NegativeMass85]

True, I thought the same. But then you'd expect the cigarette butt to be flattened when found. If it wasn't flattened out by a shoe, then it was probably dropped. Still doesn't prove guilt though.

[@londongunner1]

@@NegativeMass85 does the cigarette butt prove he was there on the day of the murder?

[@NegativeMass85]

@@londongunner1 Nope. It's highly contestable evidence

[@kdfree91]

@@NegativeMass85 not necessarily. If the shoe that was worn had a thick, wide tread, such as a hiking boot, it could've easily gotten stuck in the tread, unflattened.

[@janicekamalski5938]

They haven’t embraced the latest tech advances. They continue to embrace gut instinct and clearing a case w as little effort as possible. The Victims deserve their best effort. Cmon man!

[@brendon080909]

“We find you guilty beyond any reasonable doubt” over a cigarette butt... smh wow

[@Lucysays]

Right! There’s no time stamp on a cig butt. It could have even come in on the bottom of someone’s shoe. That’s reasonable doubt to me

[@christianb8228]

Scary 😟

[@B-24Liberator]

A good lawyer could have gotten him off of this bogus murder charge. From the get-go ALWAYS ask for a lawyer…period!!

[@Jessie-wi4mu]

I feel there is someone else that did this and they are walking free how sad

[@afuaanimwaah9381]

Hey first time am coming across someone called Bev and born in 1979 same as me 🤗

[@marilynwebb2939]

I agree ..what's scary is I live in the same suburb 😳

[@faithinhumanity3390]

There is a lot of people who know what happened but won’t rat out there loved ones

[@brittany9414]

Whats the deal with the girl who called the mother saying the house looks ransacked? The cops came by twice...? And the father had to break in? Whats with the ransacked comment then?

[@adammocaby2636]

Absolutely, I'm so confused by that part.

[@christianb8228]

I think it’s just the way the video is edited

[@SensitiveEvent]

I agree, she knows more than what she's saying. It's highly possible the group planned to ransack the house to make it look like a burglary. So when she called 911 she stated to the dispatcher this happened, but it didn't go as planned.

[@dallasjohnson3833]

@@SensitiveEvent COPS CAN'T JUSTT BREAK IN, THEY OFTEN CHECKKK, THEN LEEAVE, 'WHATT ARE YOU DOING HERE' DURING THE PH CALL, SEEMS TO SUGGEST MONEY OWED, IN THIS CASE, TO ME, AQUAINTANCES, BUT NOT CLOSE FRIENDS OF THE VICCTIMS.

[@SensitiveEvent]

@@dallasjohnson3833 Not sure if there is a cheeto stuck in your caps locks or shift button. I recommend checking it out. I'm stating that the women who called 911 told the dispatcher events took place that didn't happen. Why did she say the house was ransacked? I wonder why detectives didn't ask her about this during her interview, or maybe I missed it.

[@PamelaFlater]

if the only evidence they had was the cig butt, that's easily explained away. someone who was at the same bar could of stepped on his cig butt and got it caught up in their shoe tread then lost it at the murder scene. i have had that happen to me with someone else's cigarette .

[@Oceans11.11]

Or planted but yeah...

[@RindaJane]

Exactly what I wrote before seeing your comment. I agree. The man behind bars is NOT GUILTY

[@sparrowflying864]

Its planted otherwise it would be smashed from walking on it!

[@staceydupree8488]

I feel like someone drop this cigarette with this guy’s dna on it at the crime scene because if it was him and the guy knew him I feel like he would of said Sam man what are you doing here. Stay strong Sam I pray you get your freedom

[@STYLESBYLIFEBEAUTYNMORE]

Me to!

[@andrewlarson7895]

Yep. And the house didnt look ransacked like the girls said

[@donnawinchester6041]

Except he didn't know Sam so calling him by name wouldn't have happened.

[@staceydupree8488]

@@donnawinchester6041 oh maybe I heard wrong I thought he said they knew one another, but still feel like someone set this up

[@kylielogan8771]

Probably the police!

[@broeheem2804]

I'm not supporting this conviction. One thing that bothers me: When police interrogate a suspect, it seems that it's legal to lie to them to try and get them to confess or slip up, but the detective in this case lied to a witness - not charged or even arrested - about there being video at the bar that night showing she wasn't there when she said she was. That seems crooked, and it makes me suspicious of the whole investigation. I'm not particularly comfortable with the testimony of the "jailhouse snitch", either..... especially since he was paid a considerable amount of money right after the conviction. I think this case stinks.

[@informanti]

In a lot of cases, lying to someone who's being interrogated can be a effective tool. In this instance however, it doesn't really accomplish anything as it's easy to prove otherwise. There are also times when using lies can be very detrimental to a case, sometimes being the starting line to a false confession where an innocent person feels like the police doesn't believe them and aren't interested in the truth. Doubt can creep into the mind and unfortunately, people with diminished mental capacities, will start to believe the lies. Feeling trapped, they reach the uncomfortable conclusion that the only way to end the harassment, is to accept the lies as truth.

[@WTOL11]

Yes, the detective lying to Madrid about there being video from the bar was a legal tactic, but concerning to us. I had a recent conversation with her and she is still adamant that they were at the bar. She was mistaken about saying they went to a hotel that night. Even Sam said she was wrong about that, but she was interviewed months later. Sam told me that they HAVE gone to that hotel at other times. - Brian Dugger

[@adamrandall5163]

It had the opposite effect with that lady because as soon as he said it, you could tell immediately she was telling the truth about it. I think it is legal to lie to a suspect, I do not think they have to be under arrest.

[@pokemon6397]

If you are telling the truth you don’t slip up

[@truebluewonderful1139]

Law-enforcement treats this case as if they've been living under a rock and just crawled out.

[@amylapratt8964]

Also, I read PDF public police reports and the door where the butt was found was kicked in by his dad to gain entry to the house before the cops got there. Could have come from his shoe. His mom was also there not to mention any cops that went in that way...so yeah that is def a reliable piece of evidence... you have got to be kidding me. That man should not be in jail. This is crazy.

[@fynbuddha8649]

First off his mom and dad don’t smoke

[@patriciachavarria9831]

@@fynbuddha8649 literally just watched a video of them being arrested for buying the green but then again that’s not cigarettes

[@JM-en1xd]

That is weird, I walk in nyc all my life and never got a cigarette but stuck on my shoe. That could have been easily planted there. I can't believe that they have the DNA of the murders and there walking free right now.

[@AngiesDoingIt]

This is why idiots should not throw your cigarettes on the ground.

[@leod5232]

the girl who bought the car and owed him money seems shady

[@AnastasiaBeaverhousn]

So a lit cigarette wasn't stamped out and it didn't burn the floor only means it was planted!!! WTF kills 2 people but throws a cigarette with DNA on the floor???!!🤷🏾‍♀️

[@lukapopovic6668]

Very suspicious, actually it could have fallen out of his pocket,if he was involved, but chances are very slim

[@centennialfarm11]

Some people just knock off the hot end and don't necessarily stomp it out. I hate to say but DNA at the scene is pretty convincing

[@Wiseone123]

Stupid criminals do stupid things

[@braylonfuqua1192]

I feel like it was a random butt they found and planted it there, guessing they got it from a show or movie. Yeah they can knock the Cherry out but it usually isn’t too far from the butt. Also this is right around the corner from my old house thankfully I moved here in 2016 but fascinating nonetheless.

[@centennialfarm11]

@@braylonfuqua1192 I feel like it would be a weird coincidence that the people who planted the butt got one from someone who was known by the victims.

[@sparkyspark964]

Wow! I just watched a bunch of interviews/interrogations... and it sure does seem like there are people who know more than what they’ve admitted so far. I hope this case gets resolved so that the two families can have some type of closure. ❤

[@CCAnne]

Same I saw a short about it and wanted to see if it was solved, and some of these people definitely know way more

[@CCAnne]

Now the cig but thing always worry’s me I have many times had one stuck on my shoe an god only know who the heck’s it was I just worry that could be a possibility with that you never know honestly

[@sparkyspark964]

@@CCAnne Right. I understand and that could potentially be a worry in an upcoming crime. But if you’re just some Joe Schmo (or Joanne!) from off the street, who has absolutely no connection to the victims, then I don’t think one would have anything to worry about... but this guy did have a connection. And seemed genuinely shocked... You do bring up a very interesting point however...lots of things that have our DNA on it could end up completely randomly (or planted) at a crime scene! Makes me want to walk around in a plastic suit that completely covers me from head to toe that I can toss out at the end of the day and put a new one on the next!

[@daydreaming4874]

I like the way this story is presented!! It's much more interesting to watch then some cut and dry true crime stories. Thanks for keeping interest going!!!

[@thenewenglandcultivator6243]

The cigerate but could've been dragged in stuck to the bottom of anyones shoe. I would need more evidence then that to convict

[@jflack6]

*Cigarette *butt *than, not “then”

[@Gmenpg]

Maybe. But the odds of that. UgHhh. I duno man

[@Gmenpg]

@@jflack6 Find a hobby. Grammar correcting comments doesn’t pay well.

[@brookeslackta0229]

If it was stuck to the bottom of someone's shoe it would have been squashed and tore up

[@Ena48145]

@@jflack6 Shut up

[@adammocaby2636]

This is a small town wanting closure and they went after the only evidence they had. They have the wrong guy in jail, or at least someone else needs to be in there too.

[@jeremyfarley7428]

Toledo is not a small town at all

[@deannharris2424]

This is a case of a horrible injustice done to Williams.

[@christianWilliams-pc4jn]

What are you talking about he is guilty as sin.

[@vernonsanders371]

Clark was pretty big. me personally i would not let somebody tie me up even if they had a gun i would fight for my life until the end

[@alysskennedy8661]

Well good for you.

[@haleyt3754]

They’re saying it’s weird for a man that big to just surrender to an intruder

[@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043]

It’s possible too that Clarke was threatened with “you cooperate with us or we’ll rape the girl, make you watch, and then she dies” or some horrific scenario like that..

[@juanitarichards1074]

There was a fight. The mother said the house had been ransacked. Perhaps there were too many of them and Johnny was overwhelmed.......and the gf threatened with God knows what......

[@peterbalac1915]

@@gomphrena-beautifulflower-8043 I think you're pretty close to the mark, probably just thought they were just being tied up and robbed. If you knew at that point you were going to be suffocated you would fight for your life because you had nothing to lose. Survival would be your primary concern in the ist instance that coming from someone who is not afraid to let his hands go.

[@TheCarelessAquarius]

This is bad policing 101. They went after the only weak evidence they had due to desperation to solve a huge crime in a smaller city that grabbed headlines.

[@JessicaRamosMaskiell]

What if someone else in the bar, pick up a random cigarettes butt and put it at the scene of the crime...to frame someone else, getting away with murder. And this guy is telling the truth.

[@liou1369]

The man at 8:32 shushing her about the other guy is that her lawyer or a detective? Never mind, apparently it,s a retired detective, so why shush her?

[@mijules4611]

This is one of the most horrific crimes I've ever heard of. Just haunting.

[@thisismycurrentusername]

That cigarette in the house is scary, it could have gotten there in multiple ways.

[@WTOL11]

We definitely have concerns about the cigarette. It was not pinched, smoked to the filter, or stomped on. There was no ash or evidence of burning on the floor. There was one step into the house from the garage, so it was unlikely it blew in from the garage. - Brian Dugger

[@gracecatz3996]

I can't imagine what they went through 🥺

[@edelweiss8168]

Whoever murdered them is very sick in the head. A real sadist.

[@YourFreeBeats]

Such a sad case. From what I have been able to gather, this couple started associating themselves with some very shady people, dealing in very shady transactions. Please let this be a lesson to people in that you are very cautious as to the type of people you allow in to your lives.

[@kerrykellett8717]

I absolutly get the feeling this is a far more nefarious situation than it seems on the surface.

[@witchywisdom4505]

This was so well done! WOW! GREAT job!

[@freqenc]

Somebody's trash is another person's treasure. Searching for something else besides money. No gun used probably cuz it's in a residental area. They needed time to search the premises apparently. I'd look into who owned the house prior. Might has stashed something that someone wanted years before. Try an excon with ties to that house.

[@indie1179]

How easy (just saying) would it be to pick up a cigarette butt off the street and leave it at a crime scene?

[@brookeslackta0229]

I'm so confused. This story was not told in a way that was easily understandable. I would really like to know about this case but for sure told by another reporter/channel. This guy is not good.

[@Emily-ue5fp]

I was kind of difficult to follow glad I'm not the only one who thought so

[@nicoledenning8090]

I agree! I'm confused too! Also glad I'm not the only one...

[@101st_AB]

Agreed. When they reported on the girl who sent the text message threatening someone with the exact same violence I expected them to expand on that. It had to play a critical part in the investigation. I can only assume she was questioned...?

[@blessedbeauty3989]

Same thing I thought. My husband just asked me something about it and I couldn't even relay what the whole story was

[@Wiseone123]

There's a lot of shady characters in Toledo

[@b.k6307]

I find it very peculiar that this guy left a cigarette butt in a otherwise spotless crime scene and I just can't believe more people have not been arrested

[@buglove515]

A cigarette butt could have been transferred by someone else's shoe

[@virginiahoward1155]

Yes, but the butt seemed cylindrical in shape and not smashed down as if from the bottom of someone's shoe.

[@ylnodnaenoeht]

Captain is satisfied he close the case. Someone put that cig there. Like the small glove on the OJ Simpson case

[@alyciamarie4163]

The glove was too small bc he stopped taking his arthritis medication and he purposefully made it seem so hard to get the glove to fit. He is guilty

[@wutang80oc39]

So sad that the parents were on a trip for their 25th anniversary. What a terrible tragedy for every one but especially for the parents.

[@_jjmrod]

Holy cow! If the cigarette and the jailhouse snitch are truly the only evidence against him then that is absolutely terrifying they found him guilty. Didn’t they say his cell phone pinged near the bar he said he was at which was TWENTY miles from the murder?!? They need to do some testing on the ‘unknown’ DNA. So sad for everyone involved in this case. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@dudemorris7769]

There was more than that as evidence, including multiple people placing him there from his own words. He also didn’t know the female victim & knew only the male, he claimed to have never been at the home or in the home, no way for his DNA to wind up on a cigarette butt he was smoking, a fresh one, not a smashed one that could have been on a shoe or picked up, it was a thrown down cigarette that burned out where it was.

[@bbands-yt4616]

The police set him up

[@DeirdreRawlings]

Huge condolences to the family. Prayers that this case is solved swiftly. Two precious young kids, so very sad.

[@johnleepettimoreiii65]

It is a very easy way to frame someone, take a butt they are smoking from a bar and place it at a crime scene. VERY EASY.

[@staceydupree8488]

How can they convict you when you were somewhere else?

[@PHlophe]

Stace had he been Black they wouldn't have wasted time with court. its so easy to get people locked up for life its crazy.

[@rocketsmall4547]

theres a kid. hes african american. charged with murder but he got off because. apparently he logged on to facebook during the time frame. on his pc.

[@PHlophe]

@@rocketsmall4547 no such thing babes. but nice try

[@BTTREdits]

@@PHlophe yes because blacks do the most crime

[@timheidel5849]

sounds like some people living the "thug life"...that never ends well...

[@LilMOMMAson]

If they’ve convicted a person for these crimes, how is the case still open?

[@vjs4539]

Because they know he didn't do it

[@harrisonfording8523]

Been doing investigations for many years but the same thing comes up all the time - small town PD's that can't handle the big crime cases - just don't have the experience to handle it! The better ones immediately call in for state help so it doesn't get botched!

[@Bambi-xg3kr]

WTAF, no arrests. Get professionals in if its too big for the local coppers to handle.

[@larryrobertson2150]

Nice neighborhood like that the houses probably have cameras on them. Were no cars seen near the house during that time?

[@kittiemuffins6609]

10 yrs ago. Cmon not hardly

[@TheCalico72]

Good question.

[@brandonthomas303]

Is it "possible" that cigarette stuck to the bottom of someone else's shoe? Benefit of the doubt? Stranger things have happened.

[@robw2486]

The cigarette butt could have also been 'planted' at the crime scene by the real killer, to put suspicion on another.

[@christianb8228]

Why is it in the corner of the front door then

[@amylapratt8964]

@@christianb8228 It was by the door from the garage..you know that is opened in all sorts of weather including wind and also cig butts stick in tire tread too. Definitely not enough to prove he did anything.

[@teptime]

There are a number of ways it could happen. Maybe it was a partially smoked cig, plucked off the street or from an ashtray by an indigent smoker to use later. Shaky evidence in such a high stakes case.

[@brandonthomas303]

@@teptime stranger things have happened

[@phantomwolf3300]

Seems like the first caller said "I can see my son, his tied up and shirtless" maybe a silly question but why call the police and not help your son or straight after you called, a lot of things in this story don't seem to add up.

[@disf5178]

Horrible storytelling.

[@peterjongsma2779]

They actually pay Jailhouse Snitches. Outrageous.

[@stevethomas2435]

You might feel differently if someone snitched that led to the person that killed your loved ones

[@ZeeMatrix]

The point is a convicted criminal snitch knowing he will get paid and maybe a lesser sentence if he lies while snitching , that is a huge incentive to make stuff up. USA legal system never fails to amaze me

[@kossy2855]

You all did a really great job on the story and production!

[@stephanielong2674]

Sam an his family needs to get ahold of the innocence project especially sense there is DNA that isn't his an also cell phone pings showing he was somewhere else then the snitch was paid off an the Anthony guy saying that stuff sounded like he might of had something to do with it he just threw Sam under the bus. Then the lady telling Johnny's mom she rode by an it looked ransacked then saying that they was in the basement an knocked out yet the cops came twice an didn't go in. Then I don't know if anyone noticed when the one girl said Sam was with her at bar he got up an started hushing her up. Then said that they had camera at the bar an they was not on it. Innocence project would take Sam's case.

[@traviscoates6878]

If they contact them today, The Innocence Project might get to the case by 2030. Its worth a shot

[@gutzzgutzz6795]

Im confused did the Mom call and say she saw them tied up not breathing and the cops still didnt go in or wtf happened?

[@stephanielong2674]

@@traviscoates6878 yea you are right. They take forever. Which is bullcrap. When someone is innocent then they need to get them out. There is 2 guys that are innocent right now an yet the laws want let the da file to have them release. I don't get it.

[@idontcare1481]

That is so sad! I hope they find the responsible persons.

[@Wiseone123]

Johnny knew a lot of shady characters and apparently he bragged about having money in a safe at his girls parents house.

[@miacarter6900]

Did u know him?

[@AphroditeMichelle]

There is alot of corruption going on in that PD just by the way they handled this case. They don't care about the victims all they care about along with the prosecution is finding anyone to be locked up for this crime doesn't matter if they're innocent or not. They just want a body to do the time. This PD is pathetic!! The DA is pathetic!!

[@80HD8]

I thought they were found in the kitchen? How could his mother see them in the basement? Also why doesn't Lisa and her parents have the same last name? Too many fishy things with this story.

[@juanitarichards1074]

Jail house snitches should never be allowed to give evidence in court.

[@joememphis1571]

In 13 states like Texas, Washington, Indiana and Florida, defense lawyers aren’t allowed to use the term jailhouse snitch as it is considered slanderous, accusatory and inflammatory

[@juanitarichards1074]

@@joememphis1571 Informants then....but they are snitches and in NZ prisons snitches get stiches....

[@MM-ik7cs]

They need to do forensic genealogy on that DNA to find out who it belongs to. That DNA on the duct tape is way more telling them that cigarette butt.

[@MM-ik7cs]

@Hip Shooter They can use forensic genealogy define who that DNA belongs to. I guess you aren't familiar with that.

[@edelweiss8168]

Do the DNA testing companies, like Ancestry & 23andMe, allow law enforcement to have access to their databases? If so, they could get lucky and find some close relatives of the DNA on the duct tape.

[@MM-ik7cs]

@@edelweiss8168 @hip shooter claims being a lawyer yet knows nothing about genetic genealogy. LOL Calls people who know what they are talking about thick and dumb! STFU! LOL You and I know they should use such forensics on that duct tape to find those responsible.

[@barbaradietz9542]

Such a shame that the dna hasnt been run through Ancestry.

[@nicoledenning8090]

I'm confused, I thought the DNA had a hit and he was found guilty? Must have missed something, I better re watch

[@damagecontrol7]

@@nicoledenning8090 on the cig yes, but not on the duct tape

[@nicoledenning8090]

@@damagecontrol7 oh ya duh thanks

[@damagecontrol7]

@Hip Shooter She's probably thinking of GEDMatch. and even that nowadays you have to voluntarily opt-in to allow law enforcement access. I know because I've done it. If I happen to be related to a wanted murderer or John/Jane Doe, I guess they'll easily identify them. Hopefully that person is never me.. haha

[@royharper9472]

Man this guy is dropping names, like I drop yesterday's news paper

[@missdizzysosquizzy]

This was done really well you really stand out as a top true crime channel

[@rechoice9010]

Sounds like the victims hung out with seedy characters.

[@Wiseone123]

Yea that dude Johnny was waiting on someone he could buy pills off of that night. He knew a lot of drug dealers it seems

[@karenmorente7589]

Sad story . My condolences to the families and friends. This was senseless and cruel. God bless you.

[@annetteallen2559]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but did I hear the detective say that DNA testing for evidence isn't something that this county do (he said embraced), despite there being DNA evidence present?

[@haleyt3754]

Probably Bc of a financial issue

[@nacho_ncam]

That's normal in a lot of cities. They just call in the state's fbi unit bc they have the capabilities.

[@damagecontrol7]

yep. mind was a bit blown after that. unbelievable.

[@WTOL11]

Yes, the county has the state lab run traditional DNA testing. But more advanced DNA testing, such as familial, would need to be done by a private lab. It can certainly be done with some of the samples. However, some of the DNA was completely consumed by the original testing. - Brian Dugger

[@kaydearborn6334]

Just horrible the way they died!!! How can someone be so cruel and heartless? Wow, there are some sick SOB's in this world!!! I pray that the families get answers sooner than later!! Sending prayers for all involved!!!

[@marvinabigby6801]

They need to check genealogy dna company's for relatives to link back to murders The woman famous for DNA genealogy CeCe Moore helped with over a hundred cases and they got convictions.

[@ipdjbt]

lol

[@AlexaCBrown]

@@ipdjbt not funny, it happens a lot. And, it is wonderful in finding the true killer.

[@AlexaCBrown]

@Hip Shooter not in movies. No. There was one case, and many certainly more in other places, on Long Island, that a brother who committed a crime, and DNA, collected, brought attention to, then an arrest of, the actual killer.

[@sparrowflying864]

@@AlexaCBrown Yes they could find related people and narrow it down to the actual killer. The dna on the tape is the smoking gun.

[@AlexaCBrown]

@@sparrowflying864 yes, and the DNA from the brother, happened after many years of the killer being free, raising a family. A lot of time free, but finally found.

[@williamrose7184]

Another thing about cigarettes you can tell if they were butted out or if they were just sat down and burned away because cigarettes don’t burn down all the way if you’re not smoking them. If it was thrown there an allowed to burn for a bit they would be a burn mark on the floor. Know if it was butted out or allowed to burn out in an ashtray and somebody grabbed it and planted it there, it would be easy to tell.

[@sandranowak5080]

Why don't they do the DNA test now it's been how many years do the genealogy tests to find out who it could be. What's holding them back money? Do a go fund me page to Gather the money

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

This!

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@Hip Shooter Lmfao. Simply writing “this” as a comment shows that I’m clueless?! Wow. Aren’t you just the smartest? Sorry, troII, but I am informed on the topic. Just because there are protocols that need to be abided by does not mean that it can’t be done. In fact, I’ve seen a case covered before that used a private DNA database to solve a crime. It seems that you are projecting about who is the clueless one here, but that’s what trolls do!

[@anti-ethniccleansing465]

@Hip Shooter P.S. What a shocker. Looking at your account shows that in the three weeks you’ve had your new account, you’ve used it for no other reason than going around telling everyone that they are ignorant. Typical troll account.

[@joememphis1571]

@Hip Shooter were you dropped on your head as a child?

[@joememphis1571]

@Hip Shooter Ahhh circumstantial ad hominem we know you’re the liar so be quiet and let the adults do the talking

[@TheRealCrow51]

I was on the phone with his mother, Maytee that night. She said I should go check on Johnny, and I agreed. She blew it off and said it's OK I'm sure he is fine. We continued talking for another hour or so. I also know the father had a drug problem and was taking steroids. Too many WWE stars killed their own family high on cocaine and steroids. I think matters a fact I know Lisa's parents were drug dealers and Johnny was experimenting with cocaine and heroin. His mother told me so. I think, and this is just my theory, his father in a steroid rage went there to scare him straight and took it too far. Now I live in Allentown Pa and they live in Ohio but I have been online friends with his mother Maytee for well over 25 years. I even sent her $200 to help her with the burial cost. After over 25 years of friendship, she blocked me on Facebook tonight because I had a dream about Johnny and him telling me that he tries to go to her in her dreams but she is so wrapped up in her own grief that maybe if I could tell her about my dream and help her. In my dream, Maytee was there and Johhny said look she is right here in front of me, and she can't even see me. Me personally I think she knows the father killed them and this is why she is so torn apart because she knows the truth but if she tells it she will lose her husband as well. He was already in jail for 2 years for shooting at a kid who he thought knew the truth. I love her and I wish I could take her pain away but the only one that can help Maytee is Maytee.

[@kimgallagher1815]

Only people who would do that wicked murder are drug addicts who knew there was money in the house and who were angry . The father wasn’t that sick . Killing that way is really pathetic.

[@TheRealCrow51]

@@kimgallagher1815 Agreed the father was very jealous of the relationship that Johnny & his mother Maytee had, that had an incestual relationship. Add in the father's cocaine and steroid addiction and yes agreed it's sick and so were both of Johnnys parents. Lisa's parents were not drug dealing addicts like John Sr is. You speak of things that you know knowing about! How many fake profiles are you gonna make to cover up the murder of your son Maytee?

[@christinetrianta9185]

Those stupid detectives should look into the case deeper ,instead of trying to close a case with an innocent man behind bars .

[@PHlophe]

christina this is the reason why i am against death penalty

[@christinetrianta9185]

@@PHlophe yes me too

[@Hamlet12341]

It’s wild that the parents both got arrested for trying to kill a woman

[@melissabarham4837]

Huh?

[@gnarlycarley5550]

I got my finger prints done like 3 years ago and I'm paranoid that this could happen to me. It's so easy to plant dna

[@Fade9d9]

AT one point in the video, it says they were found in the kitchen and in another part it says they were found in the basement. Really confused

[@florescentadolescent8534]

OMG, talk about a glowing happy and wholesome looking couple. Unfathomable evil what happened to you both, so sorry.

[@lelecoleman8472]

What if the killer picked up someone's cigarette butt just to leave it at the scene.

[@tankdrives2]

What a confusing mess of a documentary, I had to Google the case afterwards just to get some context and clarity about what happened, who were the folk involved etc The narrator just throws information out at random.

[@kultofbunny]

I agree... it was totally confusing and out of whack

[@WTOL11]

Unfortunately, broadcast news packages are limited by time. It is the main reason I wrote an expanded story, and included all the documents, videos, photos, on our web site. Hope that helps. - Brian Dugger www.wtol.com/mobile/article/news/investigations/11-investigates/ohio-double-murder-johnny-clarke-lisa-straub-couple-bound-killed-ohio-homicide/512-0d4bceee-325a-486a-ba8d-e329b6fbc9c7