True HDR Monitoring on a Budget - Video Tech Explained

[@JonPais]

This was excellent. You obviously put a lot of work into this! I was thinking of making a tutorial myself, but I couldn't concentrate on doing the calibration and making a video at the same time. hehe Just two questions: (1) Will you need a Teranex to grade in HDR Rec.2020 (P3-D65 limited)? and (2) Blackmagic and Dolby trainers insist on Full levels. Is there a reason you use Video levels instead? I'm going nuts trying to figure out which is best (I've got a MBP hooked up to an LG CX. by UltraStudio 4K Mini). Thanks!!!

[@VideoTechExplained]

1. I don't believe so, no. My TV has an option in a hidden menu to perform the tone mapping from Rec.2020 down to DCI-P3 on the TV end, so I just set the output to Rec.2020 ST2084 (1000 nits) and let it handle the conversion 2. Nope! I didn't notice it was set to video. I'll have to experiment with that setting and see if it makes a difference. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!

[@JonPais]

@@VideoTechExplained I tried setting Resolve to Rec.2020 PQ (P3-D65 limited) and also switching between Rec.2020 and P3 D65 in the hidden menu of the LG, but no matter what I did, the screen colors remained the same as far as I could tell, and clicking up on the arrow key and hitting ‘enter’ on the remote told me the TV was just recognizing a BT2020 signal. I don’t think HDMI spec can pass along the Rec.2020 P3 color space info without the Teranex. SDI can. But I could not find any reliable info on how to configure the hidden menu. I’m pretty sure you’ve got to set Resolve to Rec.2020 P3-D65 if you’re grading in P3 D65 though. I’m told the NLE settings and monitor settings need to match for the most accurate results. Your videos look just fine though, so just leave data levels and everything else alone! hehe

[@VideoTechExplained]

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that the Rec.2020 ST2084 (P3-D65 limited) output transform uses the Rec.2020 primaries but curves the values such that nothing falls outside the range of DCI-P3. So basically, it's a P3 image repackaged using Rec.2020 primaries. In that case, the TV is correct: It's receiving a BT.2020 signal. Selecting (P3-D65 limited) just makes sure that there won't be any values outside the TV's range

[@JonPais]

@@VideoTechExplained sounds good to me!

[@JonPais]

@@VideoTechExplained According to Ted Aspiotis over at LiftGammaGain, "The P3D65 selection in the HDMI Override menu is just a cosmetic option; it's the same as REC.2020. LG hasn't enabled it yet, and it's pending to be enabled in the future (or never, as its over two years of waiting already)".

[@mariokotlar303]

I HDR grade using Sony A95K like this. First I'd recommend not using the highlight roloff at all when calibrating it, but using tonemap off / HGIG mode instead to cause highlights to hard clip beyond 701 nits. This is how holywood grade reference monitors work, and is the officially recommended way of grading HDR. This way I'm able to see the actual brightness and contrast of my scene, rather than seeing slightly reduced exposure. And when I do need to see those highlights that my display just can't show, I can quickly preview them in couple of different ways in Resolve, usually by temporarily lowering exposure. I keep this in a single node that I keep disabled most of the time, and enable it when I need to be able to see extreme highlights. After a few months of using it like that, I started noticing the APL brightness limiter was messing with my work, causing me to accidentally over brighten high APL scenes as I wouldn't always notice that I was seeing the dynamically dimmed down version. I recently figured out a way around this is to keep my clips zoomed out to around 50%. This means TV can now show "full field" of 500 nits, instead of mere 200, since full field is now 25% of the area instead of 100% of the area. This makes an OLED TVs into much more capable HDR grading monitors. I of course disable the zoom when I need to adjust sharpness or see higher level of detail for any reason. And to avoid contributing to burn in using this method, I apply Camera Shake FX to my clip and configure it to gently randomly move the zoomed out video around the whole frame.

[@muscle__rr]

Very interesting

[@getmarked]

that zoom out thing is fking life hack lol

[@chevonpetgrave4991]

Man you just dropped the knowledge on how to work around 3 budget monitor limitations: 1.) low high peak brightness, 2.) ABL brightness limiter (which is what I think you mean not to be confused with APL, which is a measurement not a panel dimming technology) and 3.) OLED burn in.

[@mariokotlar303]

@@chevonpetgrave4991 Hah, yeah, only one issue with workaround 3 is that it's only convenient enough to be used when grading a single longer clip, which is what I'm often doing. But when working with a large number of small clips, it can become a lot of extra work managing those camera shake effects. My A95K also got a custom resolution option in a firmware update, that allows me to now zoom out the view using TV remote controller, so I've often been using that as a faster more convenient option, although in theory that is prone to burn in if overused, so I've been mostly using it only when working with higher APL scenes where it has a chance of making a difference.

[@contentm3893]

How is rec709 content? and does Sony have a 42 in version of the A95K?

[@FilmResolved]

Great work and thank you for properly researching the DaVinci Resolve aspects of this jigsaw puzzle. I will never call anyone out but I recently got served a video claiming to be a walk through of monitoring HDR in DR with an atomos ninja flame. I watched as I made a video about HDR workflow in DR and wanted to see if anything had changed in the nearly 3 years since I researched and published my video. The video I was served never mentioned “enable HDR metadata over HDMI” nor the need for the BMD output card. Therefore what I believe that video guides you to actually monitor is the Atomos conversion of a wonky HDR signal and not a true monitoring of the signal. It’s quite disappointing to see content like this so seeing your content makes me very happy and I appreciate the hard work you’ve put into this!

[@VideoTechExplained]

I'm not 100% sure one way or another, but I wouldn't be too surprised if an Atomos monitor could display an HDR signal, even without the appropriate metadata present. Most TVs and monitors will only switch into the appropriate HDR gamma if they detect proper HDR metadata, which is what the Decklink is for. But I know that Atomos monitors advertise being able to convert and display many camera log formats in proper HDR, so it wouldn't surprise me too much if there was a way to tell the monitor to interpret a signal as whatever gamma you want regardless of what the metadata says. Again, I don't actually own one so I can't be sure

[@TMS5100]

@14:31 Beware!! the decklink mini monitor 4k you are holding there only supports 4k30. If you want 4k60 youll have to buy the decklink 4k extreme which is about 4x the price.

[@akyhne]

No! The card is only meant for monitoring, when color grading. For non color grading workflow, you'd still look at the primary video window, in your NLE. It's like saying you can't edit a 120 FPS video, on a 60 Hz monitor. Of course you can, although the video will not be displayed with a refresh rate, of 120.

[@giorgioguitar]

Congrats for this video, the info given made me finally understand some things about the HDR workflow. Keep it up!

[@MichaelKefeder]

Amazing video explaining all the details needed, thanks! Side note, for people with laptops or unavailable PCIe ports: you can look at Blackmagic UltraStudio series, they connect over thunderbolt 3 (for the 4K versions) or USB-C for FullHD. Normally a UltraStudio Monitor 3G is enough for monitoring HDR with Davinci Resolve.

[@rodrimora]

does the monitor 3G support 4K for the LG Oled TV's?

[@MichaelKefeder]

@@rodrimora no, as the 3G hints in the name it does 1080p max. You can buy an external pci-e enclosure and buy one of their cards for 4k resolution though

[@rodrimora]

@@MichaelKefeder do you know what combo of which 4k card+which pcie enclosure would be more budget friendly? and hey thanks a lot for the response even after a long time since the original comment

[@MichaelKefeder]

@@rodrimora there are too many variables here. I guess the best budget option is to use LG maintenance firmware hack where you can apply luts and live with 1080p and the cheap UltraStudio 3G? Otherwise you need to know if a noisy TB3 enclosure is okay. Also note that a good enclosure plus 4K decklink card are really close in price to the UltraStudio 4K mini, so depending on your budget that's an option too.

[@rodrimora]

@@MichaelKefeder 200€+400€ for the decklink+enclosure from startech from what I'm seen. I'm still a beginner so I don't know how much difference between pluging the display directly to my Mac Studio or my windows PC with a 3080 would make. Is really that neccesary? what would I be missing?

[@xINTENSORx]

Hand gesturing is a strong with this one. Great video bro. I learned a lot.

[@ShawnThuris]

Great video as always. I work from a budget HDR monitor (with SpyderX calibration) but I could see adding a tv as a second display. The DeckLink does remind me of an old AGP Rage 128 graphics card.

[@aravindrt]

I m glad that i found this channel

[@RajneshDomalpalli]

Greetings Camon, and Thank you for this great tutorial. I have an M1 Macbook Pro, and an "X-Rite ColorChecker® Passport Photo 2" and an "UltraStudio Monitor 3G 3G-SDI/HDMI Playback Device". Can I use them to calibrate an LG C3 or C4 using this video as a guide? Better yet, if possible, could you create a tutorial for us Macbook Pro people? Thanks again and Regards.

[@VideoTechExplained]

It looks like the x-rite passport product you mentioned is a color chart that's used for calibrating a camera's colors, rather than a monitor's. The Ultra studio should work I believe, although I haven't tested it. Unfortunately I'm not able to make a Mac version of the tutorial as I don't use Macs or know anyone who does. Best of luck!

[@vasiovasio]

Man, you are So Hyped! Great video! Keep going!

[@VeeTravels]

Wow I really like how you delved into the details in this video. I think the most cost effective option is to use a Video Monitor LUT within DaVinci Resolve (I am finding this around 85% accurate). That is how I managed to edit all of the recent HDR videos on my channel.

[@atlanteum]

Just discovered your channel today, and it is a godsend. Like having a personal technical director on hand. Please say you do consulting, as well..???

[@flexydex8754]

😂😂😂😂

[@atlanteum]

@@flexydex8754 Damn... I wish I had found it that amusing... I could use a good laugh!

[@rendermanpro]

Great video..... I got it, and it's not an excuse, *but* when you had tell that color on calibration is deviate a lot, most people will view final video in the best case on non-calibrated monitors/TVs, in worst on smartphones... So for someone on budget and small production is it worth or not is questionable... In 2023 it supposed to be easy and cheap, available to anyone, but something goes wrong

[@akyhne]

You should AT LEAST do the most basic monitor calibration, if you're making content for other users.

[@Amybnuy]

I'd love a video on introduction to calibration an dhow to calibrate stuff. I want to buy a display calibrator for 300cad~ to calibrate my LG C4 i use as a monitor/tv and I'm not a professional, but people on reddit told me I either need a 1000CAD+ one or I should get nothing. I tried calibrating my TV by eye but I just did a terrible job. the calamn software just makes no sense for me as i'm a home user :c Thank you for this video tho :) I'm saving for a colorcheker I guess for the time being :P what do you think of the colorimeter pro hl and plus hl (The newer versions of the one you used) there's a lot of hate on them for some reason.

[@osx86touch]

Holy shit your content is great! I’d love to hear more about how you handle the distribution side of things (uploading to KZbin). I’ve heard it’s not as simple as it sounds to get footage to look good on HDR displays but also fallback to an accurate SDR grade. Worth a video maybe if it’s involved? I hope your channel catches on because wow!

[@VideoTechExplained]

I covered the KZbin upload process in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnO3qoqMZqt4f9E

[@lateral1385]

He meant to say “Thank you” 😊

[@VideoTechExplained]

@@lateral1385 Yes, I did, sorry 😅 Sometimes I forget how easy it is to inadvertently act like a jerk in comment sections

[@osx86touch]

@@VideoTechExplained Hah no worries at all, I took absolutely no offense! Tbh I had originally assumed his comment was aimed towards me since I did completely forget to say thank you for pointing me to your other vid. Either way, thanks again for everything! I successfully graded and deployed my first HDR vid with a Canon R6 + LG CX thanks to your content.

[@sean9920]

Man these videos are awesome. You know way more than I do and I thought I was a videophile lmao.

[@icontentacademy]

Excellent video and explanation as always.

[@blender_wiki]

I know this is an old video, in october 2023 probably the best consumer tv gfor this kind of replacement is the LG OLED EVO C3 42" Smaller but with even better color quality than the CX series, the service rremote contol is needed to get the best out of this OLED panel. And the calibration probe is the cheapest model that give decent accurate results, anything cheaper in the market is not a trustable device for a professional usage for calibration.

[@lampsmasher01]

Would there be any chance of doing this video with an SDR set up? HDR is my dream, but for the moment, SDR is the bread and butter!

[@flexydex8754]

this type of hdr is marketing bullshit

[@akyhne]

The same applies for SDR, if you're serious about colors. You'd still need the card for serious SDR workflow.

[@lukasjbryant]

Don’t you have to use a pattern generator file plugged into your oled before calibrating? I noticed your calibration was intermittently switching back and forth from the pattern generator from autocal to the Home Screen? Doesn’t this affect the results of your calibration or does it not take readings of your Home Screen? Also, don’t you have to modify your HDMI signaling override settings and dimming features first? This was an informative video but I just want to make sure some crucial steps aren’t missing here

[@akyhne]

I'm quite impressed. Your knowledge is pretty good, although I didn't like your video about colorgrading HDR on a SDR monitor.

[@flexydex8754]

terrible*

[@cosmepelotillo]

Thank you this is very useful!

[@andrewwyatt8016]

Great stuff! Keep it up!

[@DropLightTech]

Great video! :)

[@hookyhook]

You're awesome. This really helped me. Thank you for providing this free knowledge. It's commendable. :)

[@mcneilbelle]

AWSOME video man since recording this video have you found a workaround for people who cant use the decklink would be very helpful if you did

[@akyhne]

It's the fault of the OS, not your NLE, so don't expect a fix to be found.

[@akyhne]

BTW, there is a solution, if your computer has a Thunderbolt output.

[@mcneilbelle]

@@akyhne nope just my laptop has thunderbolt output

[@akyhne]

@@mcneilbelle So what's your primary computer? A PC or MAC? If it's a MAC, then it should have Thunderbolt, unless it's very old. If it's a PC, there's a chance, it has a free PCI-E slot. Then you can either install a DeckLink card, or a Thunderbolt card, although you're a bit limited, if it's an AMD system.

[@mcneilbelle]

@@akyhne I have a Mac with a thunderbolt

[@maricallo6143]

Great video and presentation, makes it clear for anyone. Can you please advise on Mini Monitor 4K settings (HDR) in Resolve, should it be set to output Video or Full Data Levels? The default seems to be Video, but I have doubts. Thnx.

[@Jerryossai]

I just discovered a star. Great video! The other LG ref monitor videos used a manufacturers remote to turn off the protections that limit the TV's sustained peak brightness, obviously warning that it could damage the panel if not careful. I this I like this method better. Did you encounter issues with ABL?

[@VideoTechExplained]

I didn't mention the service remote in the video because I've opted not to use one personally. I'd rather not take the risk of burn-in since I want my display to last a while. I haven't personally encountered many issues with auto dimming but your mileage may vary,

[@NtwrkTeam]

Great Job!!!

[@adeepoberoi1130]

Hi, thx for the nice video. What about the Oled C2, I heard colorists use it a lot. Can it also be used as the olded in you vid, for hdr?

[@VideoTechExplained]

I haven't personally tested it, but I imagine so. You should probably check the compatibility list on the Calman Home for LG software to make sure before purchasing

[@saikatchattopadhyay8263]

How do you physically connect the decklink,monitor and master system? I mean after installing it to the PCIe slot ,how do you connect all of them?Great video however!!

[@VideoTechExplained]

The Decklink has both an SDI output (for connecting to professional displays) and an HDMI port. Just plug the TV into the HDMI port on the Decklink instead of the graphics card

[@robynsun_love]

...in theory, would a $999 2021 iPad Pro suffice as an equivalent HDR display? It reportedly has a 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio, full P3 colour, support for all three HDR standard formats, up to 1,000 nits of full-screen brightness, and up to 1,600 nits for localized highlights. It can also be connected to a Mac and serve as a secondary display.

[@VideoTechExplained]

I don't have personal experience with that display but I've heard good things about it as far as the quality of the HDR is concerned. I'm not sure, however, how you would go about getting Resolve to output to that display correctly. It may be theoretically possible, but I'm not sure if anyone has developed the hardware/software to make it happen

[@mazefaer]

I think you cant do that ,becuase ipad not have hdmi/sdi.

[@mazefaer]

maybe you find the way to use ipad pro to make HDR? I have a tabs7+, but when I use superdisplay, i cant view diffenent between my monitor and pad.

[@theahch]

Dude.. Can you please do a tutorial on HDR and SDR on one deliverable file? I have my hdr grade looking great but when i play on an sdr display it still looks RAW

[@VideoTechExplained]

You can't really deliver both HDR and SDR in one file. When you have an HDR file and want to watch in SDR, your video player needs to perform the conversion, either beforehand (in the case of streaming services) or in realtime (most other video players.) If the conversion isn't happening, make sure your player supports it

[@kanedafx1]

what monitor you will recommend for about 1000$us? thx

[@anandpianolover]

How can we use laptop display witch is hdr support for hdr grading

[@Rohan.Shingade]

Can we calibrate SDR, HDR and Dolby Vision and Use all profiles as per requirement???

[@DavidHager1]

Wait I'm confused, at 18:05 you show how the display's limited power budget stops the scene from getting brighter, and you show that happening with a not so bright scene, but then you say you don't have that problem. I'm guessing you just kept turning up the brightness till that eventually happened, way brighter than you ever really would go, just for the example right?

[@akyhne]

He said he doesn't have the problem, as he just lowers the brightness, for it not to happen. Which means his max. output is no longer 700 nits, but below that.

[@DavidHager1]

@@akyhne oh I see ok that makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to comment and help me understand I appreciate it.

[@SilverHERO17]

Hey @VideoTechExplained is this method any good in 2024? I have the same tv

[@VideoTechExplained]

I haven't tested it recently but I don't see any reason why not.

[@SandroAntonucci87]

It's beyond me why not only you can't connect an external monitor without a card but also why I can't use the computer display to monitor HDR directly to. Can't you edit directly on the LG?

[@ericchase1294]

Thanks!

[@oscarmoreno7774]

I have an LG C2 connected to a PC running in HDR 10-bit, 4k, RGB. Should I select "OLED (RGB)" at 06:29 instead of "Raw XYZ (Generic CMF)?

[@EL_N0IR_2201]

Wasn’t this app discontinued like a while ago? Some guy said they stopped developing it. The calibrator software I mean, wow is it so expensive getting into color grading no wonder movies need to rack in millions😅

[@akyhne]

No! The Calman software is the default for a lot of prosumers. The full version us a $3000 suite, so the version that can calibrate newer TVs from various brands (only top models), is not that expensive.

[@angelodeoisla6534]

I have seen another Linus. Very informative. Great Video!

[@FooMaster15]

Wow. I had no idea how, uh, involved making HDR content is right now. Didn't you needed that output card just so the editing software can display properly.

[@MyMimmo61]

Good morning. Great videotutorial, I ask what is the model of PCI card to buy, I want to connect Oled Tv dispaly to it as monitor when I need. Thanks

[@akyhne]

Watch the video again, or read the video description. No need to be lazy...

[@zgold1118]

Curious about hdr, I have a C1 and it works great for my client monitor, but as I slowly integrate into hdr I have a few questions about settings. For my mac, there’s a display setting for hdr when hdr display is detected. For SDR I leave it off, but for HDR should I be turning that display setting on to force the lg in hdr mode for HDR grading? Then in regards to my LG oled settings in HDR, there’s tone mapping. Should I be turning that off for grading?

[@winmediacenter]

Hi. I watched all of your videos about HDR . I have a question about real time monitoring in Adobe Premiere Pro. I'm creating content in Adobe Premiere because i don't have Blackmagic mini monitor 4K and wanted to know how adobe is doing color management withoun even need to have mini monitor 4K. I connected my TV straight to graphic card HDMI port and turn on HDR in windows. Then when i set my tv as reference monitor in premiere Mercury Transmit it looks like it stream HDR signal into my tv. I can see blown out highlights in my pc monitor but TV display highlights correctly by squishing maximum brightness of 4000 nits to my TV capibilities. My TV is approx. 600nits capable brightness. It looks like cheap option of real time HDR monitoring. What do you think?

[@VideoTechExplained]

That's something I'll have to look into! I didn't know that was possible

[@winmediacenter]

@@VideoTechExplained it's hard to find any information about it. Resolve by the way is way better to grade in HDR.

[@aganspahic]

greeting! I have a problem and I can't solve it. My computer does not see or detect the Declink mini 4K card, please help me with advice. Thank you in advance! I am working on Adobe Premiere 2023 My configuration: Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X 3.40GHz up to 4.60GHz (C8, T16) Motherboard: MSI MAG B550 Tomahawk RAM: 32GB (2x 16GB) DDR4 Kingston Fury Beast 3200MHz SSD: 1TB Kingston NV2 M.2 NVMe Graphics: Nvidia RTX 4060 Ventus 2X Black OC 8GB MSI GDDR6 Power supply: Inter-Tech 720W Case: Chieftec Scorpion 3 CPU cooler: Arctic Freezer 34 Duo Windows 10 pro

Even if I were to delivery in SDR is it ok to monitor it with the LG with an ODT of Rec2020 or should I make another profile for SDR monitoring?

[@akyhne]

You just do a calibration of your TV, for both Rec.709 and Rec.2020.

[@DavidHager1]

Here's the real question, is there I way I can use 1/4 of the display, 1080p res, to get high brightness on a full scene?

[@akyhne]

Nope! Davinci Resolve sends a direct signal to the output of the DeckLink, that can't be altered. I believe some monitors can do this, but we're talking about $2K displays, like the more expensive Asus ProArt.

[@DavidHager1]

@@akyhne I don't mean by altering the signal, I mean literally drag and shrink your clip in your editor to 1/4 size when you need more brightness in a scene. I'm sure this will work since brightness tests for these TV's to see how much they dim is taking a video of a white square and expanding it until it takes up the whole screen. It's that in reverse. The smaller you make the video the brighter you can get, 1/4 size is just 1. conveniently 1080p and 2. has a pretty good peak brightness on these displays with a full white box, so with a real life bright scene like snow in the sun, will probably be at least ~500 maybe 600 nits or so.

[@akyhne]

@@DavidHager1 Again... It's not possible! Because of what I explained.

[@DavidHager1]

You might run into some imperfections when you get close like seeing the sub pixel matrix if you're real close but you effectively have a 27 inch 1080p monitor so I think it will be fine actually. I think it's a clever solution that adds a lot of power to your grading ability given you're effectively almost tripling the peak brightness of your display.

[@DavidHager1]

You're not understanding, we are not changing the TV settings to display a full screen signal on 1/4 of the display, we are outputting to the full screen but making the video we are sending to the full screen small by just making it small in the video editing software.

[@loshan1212]

It’s really unusual to see that your LG CX’s pre calibration measurements are so bad. There are of course unit to unit variances, but I’ve never seen a modern LG OLED perform that badly. Out of the box, users should set it to expert dark room, and adjusted as following HDTVTest or RTINGS. Your pre calibration max delta error should at most be around 5. For e.g. RTINGS reported a avg delta error of 1.77 compared to your 5+. Personally I wouldn’t try calibrating a LG OLED unless having a professional do it. Personal use spectroradiometers cannot be relied on for accurate colour measurements IMO. The newer OLED from LG and Samsung are even more accurate out of the box, as long as you’re using the right profile. IMO you would’ve gotten 95% of the benefit of the calibration from setting up the TV correctly.

[@akyhne]

The Calman software does the initial measurement, on the "Standard" profile, not on a specific profile. Even the pros uses what you call cheap colorimeter, for TV calibration. They use a spectrometer first, to measure the offset of your colorimeter, then the spectrometer is disconnected, and all measurements are done with the colorimeter. This is because spectrometers are unbearably slow. Murideo, a world leader in pattern generators, uses this approach, in all their videos. Out of the box, a colorimeter is VERY accurate. I don't remember the exact deviation, but it's negligible EDIT: This is for an I1display Pro, from Calibrite: Measurement Performance Accuracy: Illuminant A under X-Rite’s standard measurement conditions Color = ± 0.004 x, y @ 100 cd/m2 Luminance = ± 4.0% @ 100 cd/m2 Short-term repeatability: Illuminant A under X-Rite’s standard measurement conditions Color = ± 0.001 x, y @ 100 cd/m2 Luminance = ± 1.0% @ 100 cd/m2' I've calibrated my TV for years, and the difference is night and day, compared to non calibrated. One thing you don't take into account with your "95% out of the box" claim, is that TVs are calibrated to a generic output of say 250 nits SDR, and let's say 1150 nits HDR, for a specific brand and model. But when you're doing color grading, you must apply to certain standards. For SDR, the standard is 100 (or 80-120) nits in low light conditions for SDR, and 1000 nits for HDR. So no matter how accurate your TV is out of the box, it's probably not accurate for color grading, for the above reasons.

[@LoKimLinProject]

can you use the decklink for just the tv without another external display to set it up?

[@akyhne]

You can't use the TV connected to the DeckLink for other, than monitoring. You won't be able to see the interface of DaVinci Resolve on that.

[@DavidSkok1]

This was great. Thank you for your work on it. It is such a shame that BlackMagic won't output the HDR metadata over the Video Clean Feed signal. What is super surprising about your video is that you were able to drive the LG using that old low cost BlackMagic card. Everything that I have read tells me that to drive an external display in 4K HDR, you need something like the Ultra Studio 4K Mini. Here is the specific entry in the Resolve 18.1 Manual, page 253: "Connecting to HDR-Capable Displays using HDMI 2.0a: If you have a DeckLink 4K Extreme 12G or an UltraStudio 4K Extreme video interface, then DaVinci Resolve 12.5 and above can output the metadata necessary to correctly display HDR video signals to display devices using HDMI 2.0a when you turn on the “Enable HDR metadata over HDMI” checkbox in the Master Settings panel of the Project Settings."

[@VideoTechExplained]

I believe I read something about the Decklink Mini Monitor 4K not being able to pass metadata indicating that the color space is Rec.2020, which could explain why Blackmagic doesn't officially claim it to be capable of HDR output. However, it does work! At least with the display I tried. The other HDR metadata is there, and the "Enable HDR Metdata over HDMI" checkbox works as expected. My guess is that when the LG display detects HDR metdata, it infers that the color space is Rec.2020 by default so everything works. I haven't tried outputting DCI-P3 HDR, though. That might be something interesting to try!

[@DavidSkok1]

@@VideoTechExplained Good to know. Thank you! I keep hoping that BlackMagic will send the HDR metadata out over the HDMI port built into my Mac using Video Clean Feed. Particularly now that I am getting HDMI 2.1 support with my new M2 MacBook Pro. The wording "Video Clean Feed" leads me to hope. I do know that other Apple XDR monitors are supported in HDR over Thunderbolt, and Sidecar (for iPad), so not sure why HDMI would be a poor cousin. (No need to answer - this is just my internal speculation.)

[@akyhne]

Puget Systems recommends this card as well, for accuracy: "How do I get 10-bit HDMI or SDI display support for DaVinci Resolve? While all the video cards in our DaVinci Resolve workstations support 10-bit displays, if color accuracy is concern we recommend using a Blackmagic DeckLink Mini Monitor 4K and the Studio 4K 6G-SDI PCI-E cards. These video monitoring cards are specifically designed to deliver unaltered video signals to your display, resulting in the best possible video and color quality. Note that you will need a dedicated, highly accurate display that is capable of handling the FPS and resolution of your project in order to take full advantage of these cards." This is from their recommendation page for system requirements for DaVinci Resolve.

[@blender_wiki]

The problem is not BMD but who build the operating system. And it your are a colorist any way you don't work with apple monitors

[@choke_the_woke1179]

you need to upload more often

[@gregbenzphotography]

What are your thoughts on working with the Pro Display XDR and Resolve? Any tricks to managing that setup aside from profiling? Oddly, the simplest normal direct connection to an HDR monitor seems to be extremely rare among colorists.

[@blender_wiki]

Because is not an reliable grading monitor. If you are a professional colorist you have limited choices of monitors that you can really use. And usually if you are a videomaker that what to play with color corrector you don't need to deliver HDR contents. 🤷🏿‍♀️

[@elchorepunk]

Hey boy! How old are you? You really know your shit. Congrats! I’m pretty fn impressed. I’m subscribing right now. Keep it up bro. Greetings from Mexico City 👊🏻👊🏻

[@MePeterNicholls]

That software could be have a far far better user interface / UX

[@nikilragav]

How come the points that the calibration is sampling all seem to be sRGB colors? it doesn't seem to be testing anything in the extended P3 (or Rec2020 for that matter) ranges.

[@akyhne]

That's pretty normal. You only use the 8-bit color values, and they are transformed to the color bitrate of your output. Same goes for DaVinci Resolve. Try using the color picker on a 10-bit video. You'll only get 8-bit values.

[@nikilragav]

@@akyhne ya I noticed that and wasn't sure why

[@Mulnader]

Is C1 as good as CX series for color grading?

[@VideoTechExplained]

Yes! The CX is the 2020 model, while the C1 is the 2021 model. They perform similarly as far as HDR performance is concerned. The 2022 model C2 is slightly improved, and the 2022 G2 is even better still (though more expensive)

[@nikilragav]

Thanks for showing this process!!! One thing I noticed that seems weird is at 11:08 it says "RGB Triplet: 255, 255, 255" in the CIE image graph. Wonder why it's using 8-bit values here and if that matters at all.

[@akyhne]

It has no effect on the luminance value. 8-bit RGB 255, 255, 255 is still pure white. On a 8-bit display, it will output 100 nits (or whatever your monitor is calibrated to), on his TV, it will output 701 nits, and on a 1000 nits display in HDR mode, it will output 1000 nits. You do, however, in some cases need a 10-bit pattern generator, however in his case, it seems it's not needed, as the TV apparently can generate 10-bit patterns. It's basically just a luminance transform.

[@TheWorldInAFrame66]

Hi, i have gh5 and i shoot in HLG. In premiere (also in davinci) i set my project to 2100HLG, timeline to HLG 2100. I dont have hdr monitor but i have 2100/hdr configured scopes. I set perfect skintone just basing on scopes. I export in HLG 2100. And in result i have red skintone on my calibrated LG Oled. I dont know what im doing wrong but scopes seems to lie. In other scenario i convert and grage everything in 709 with leeming hlg to 709 conversion LUT and before export i disable lut and export in 2100. Result is so much better but still not perfect. Any thoughs?

[@TMS5100]

you can use your LG Oled as an HDR monitor for grading using the decklink mini monitor 4k.

[@Janken_Pro]

Maybe it's not calibrated to HLG?

[@MAD_CHILLER]

Just curious as some displays allow you to force HDR display. Most HDR is enabled via metadata.. I have an HDR display forced and when I setup resolve to HDR thing look normal. Any thoughts on this?

[@MAD_CHILLER]

Id just add I am using 10 bit viewers in DR18.

[@MAD_CHILLER]

and not using a decklink .. Nvidia set to reference mode and full data levels.

[@VideoTechExplained]

If you have a display with that option (I'm assuming an Asus ProArt?) then sure! That'll work. It won't technically be as good as using a Decklink since Windows and Mac will still mess around with the colors a bit on the GUI, but it's probably good enough for most people

[@NotCerius]

Amazing video, but, has anyone ever told you that you look like Scott The Woz?

[@avinashpanwar2486]

Can I use ultrastudio monitor 3g?

[@akyhne]

Yes.

[@thebossnocompetition8757]

Man dont use an WRGB OLED for HDR grading LOL those 700 Nits are monochrome light. also you will not see any color luminance above 350 Nits. Get an Samsung S95B instead its really accurate in the Filmmaker mode. True RGB panel and a really wide colorgamut that goes towards rec2020.

[@victorx4648]

14:19 There is a way. You can create a LUT that maps the SMPTE 2084 to your monitor color profile, apply it as the Video Monitor lookup table, and your preview in DaVinci resolve will be fine. It imposes some limitations, but it works fine if you want to avoid buying a second HDR monitor or a TV.

[@akyhne]

Can you point to an external resource about this? As I understand it, you need the card, to make the TV go into the correct HDR mode. Also LUT transforms are said to not be very accurate. If you're gonna use $1500 on a TV/monitor, $200 on a colorimeter, and $145 on the Calman software, it seems cheap to save the last $195 on a DeckLink card, to get it all right.

[@DasAntiNaziBroetchen]

Dude, why are you yelling?

[@Bennett.R]

Why *aren’t* you?

[@mckungsmakong]

At this point, I gave up on viewing HDR.

[@faming1144]

Are you extensively justifying the cost of the Calman software and a few moments later totally skip the price tag of the ColorChecker unit? BTW: Did I witness a Matrix glitch at 1:30/1:44 ?? (And am I focussing wrong to think not all your files are zipped @5:48?)

[@Chris-ih4hj]

I know what you’re trying to do but this is stupid due to the color range of oled is different from lcd and the contrast of oled cannot be achieved in lcd if you’re going to do this in a regular monitor it will produce inaccurate colors

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

That's not true at all. LCD and OLED crossover is totally normal for all levels of editing. Over 50% of KZbinr viewers are on mobile phones, and every flagship phone in the past 2 years is OLED. LCD contrast ratios drastically vary display vs display already, so the thought that contrast has to be normalized across displays isnt realistic at any point in history. Also some extremely expensive reference monitors are OLED (granted, many are LCD too). If what you are saying was true, then nobody could edit videos.

[@Chris-ih4hj]

@@CanditoTrainingHQ ohh you got me that actually made sense

[@Psycho3k]

Ok i cant take your information seriously in your video. your living in a dust bunny environment... get a duster and polish or water and get rid of that mess around your tv as when your calibrating you dont want dust getting into the tv screen when calibrating as it can effect the results. im sorry but its just triggering my ocd lol

[@calebbarstadreels]

holy shit 😂

[@swarajeditor8830]

Can I get you insta or twitter handle or mail id I have a doubt I want some information ?

[@RajneshDomalpalli]

Thanks!