I Catch Killers: Ben and Amy Smith Part 2 - Presumption of innocence?

In part two of Ben and Amy Smith's conversation with Gary, the pair describe the strain of being accused of sexual assault, the experience of going through court and what it felt like to hear the jury finally deliver their verdict. #police #courts #podcast
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00:00 - Opener
00:40 - The fallout
13:50 - The investigation
20:56 - Meeting the solicitor
26:38 - Amy finds evidence
32:01 - The alleged eyewitness
37:24 - The trials
52:50 - The importance of proper police work
56:21 - The final verdict
01:04:55 - Submitting complaints
01:10:08 - Financial costs and future plans
01:13:55 - Taking redundancy
01:17:32 - Final thoughts

[@ginanoble7203]

Gary thank you for highlighting in-depth behaviours in the policing and courts in our nation. Amy is one incredible lady,and her diligence in finding out info. I find you podcasts just so informative,keep it up

[@markspalding6092]

Talk about truth being stranger than fiction. You couldn’t make this stuff up! Much strength to Ben & Amy. Enormous credit to Amy, what a woman. This was a terrifying insight into how quickly life can change. Terrific & revealing interview Gary, job extremely well done.

[@petersimon3066]

I listen to the first one, I don't think anyone can get the stress that happens to anyone in a traumatic situation and its on going stress on the mind and all that involves. I can't begin to think what that was like. Some put up wall to bandage the whole thing. I find some of the content that comes out of your program good. Its good to triumph over the adversity, I think its still an emotional price to pay. As a couple! What a great example of a marriage in this day and age, when the word commitment is hard to find. God bless you both.

[@alexajessop5590]

It's an incredible story. What a lovely couple they are.

[@angelaa8285]

Wow its amazing how a delusional person can just say someone did something then get them locked up facing decades in prison. Its disgraceful.

[@maxcullen3427]

As per amazing podcast not biased just letting ppl tell story thanks Gary 🇦🇺👮🏻‍♂️🦘🚔

[@biastv1234]

I still don’t understand how it got past the first cursory investigation

[@Jaygeebee]

One of your best Podcasts Gary. Should elaborate a little about the motive of the accuser. (I know it) I hope Ben & Amy do successfully sue the DPP .

[@rossgregor4817]

.Well below the basics required in a thorough investigation. Im sure there are many dedicated detectives shaking their heads at this one. Power to you both.

[@nostra1874]

The accuser should be forced to pay them for all expenses. Very sad to hear this story, it is happening far too often.

[@Jason-by4ji]

I believe in the truth, facts and evidence when it comes to this case and he was found not guilty.So glad they plan to sue the Police force in a civil case for how they handled his case.

[@dirkdiggler9174]

The sad part in the end apart from the obvious trauma but basically even when you win you usually lose cause getting your life back on track financially is a disaster .

[@71gavinhall]

Awesome podcast yet again. All the best to the couple future so much positive energy.

[@geraldwenn9698]

Its called getting a Brittany Higgins charge.

[@jeremywentworth1833]

This couple deserve compensation of not a penny less than they have lost due to false allegations which have ruined there lives, I'm English and that's over £250,000 . The accuser what goes through someone's mind to do what she did.

[@IanAnderson07]

Gary,, would not Alibi evidence apply in this situation, Alibi evidence is a whole different category of Law..??

[@hahaha9076]

They wanted him out of the cops. You didn't cover the police prosecutor's role. Clearly didn't study the brief or...

[@glennjohnvanroon1026]

Yeah look at the whole don'ut not just the hole in it.

[@donnagray1306]

God. What a pair, she rambles on about inconsequential details, and he is so slow to express himself. What was it about the "electronic thing" at the dry cleaners? Unfinished sentences. He seems most comfortable with yep, yep yep, you know, you know, you know. The host could have explained what "electronic thing" meant for the audience's understanding . And so after that overly long lead up, all the male guest can say is, "I got it (the suit) out somehow." What was the somehow??? A very poor guest and it would appear his lack of verbal skills may have added to his demise. There is a sense of arrogance/entitlement which was clear when male guest did not thank the host for his time.

[@DevonRexLady]

He is a painfully woeful communicator. I can't imagine he was that great a cop with those poor communication skills.

[@donnagray1306]

@@DevonRexLady I agree with you. It's the former prison guard's communication I was doubting and not the host.