The Most Controversial Pokemon Characters of Every Generation

[@SerathDarklands]

Honestly, Nemona is my favorite rival in the entire franchise. We don't get experienced rivals often - or at all, really - usually, rivals are just starting out like you are, but I love the idea of Nemona already being a Champion-ranked trainer who is starting with a new team so she can keep pace with you.

[@Watch-0w1]

Plus her and the other two synch well.bthe last mission felt like a anime adventure. She have a quirk and personality and good backstory Barry just lame kid that drank too much red bull

[@RaspyCh]

Experienced rivals that pick the starter weaker to you and basically start all over not using her best Pokémon Yea sure

[@cheeze588]

@@RaspyCh She did that on purpose to give you an advantage

[@castironpan7967]

I like this saying because it brings to mind that a lot of Pokemon fans are older and have played previous games, therefore also do start over andso we see some of ourselves on her.

[@hardsider2403]

I dident like her untill i thought wait a minute...a-are you prepareing me like some stuffed turkey to eat when ready? Cause SHE'S the one looking for a challenge which admittedly i wish her poke dident cap out at around 60

[@hbudson1248]

Fun fact about Rose: if he wanted to solve the energy crisis, he could've just headed to the Crown Tundra to capture Regieleki. According to the Pokedex, it (no joke) "is capable of creating all of Galar's electricity" I don't massively mind Rose, but the fact GameFreak made their meh plot even worse with this entry BUGS me

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

I feel his plot line was played out of order or was supposed to be different all together. The look he has when preparing for battle and when throwing the pokeball along with how menacing his battle theme is seem to imply that something much more dire was supposed to going on at the moment! Or maybe I'm just reading into it too much...

[@agentdon1760]

Bro this is why I hate Rose...his plot is so god damn stupid!

[@runningoncylinders3829]

@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions I think maybe they either wanted his energy issue to be immediate but backed it up to not freak out audience members, or on the alternate end for Rose's plan to only have preserving Galar's energy as a front for something more sinister he had planned, like older villains, wanting to be taking the power of the Pokemon for himself.

[@cintronproductions9430]

It's like they wrote that Regieleki entry just to sh*t on Rose. XD

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

At least he's given a backstory in one of pokemon's short anime series... His father died in a coal mine accident, so not only does he want to solve a future energy crisis but he also just want all dangerous forms of energy production gone ASAP!

[@snowvix8902]

Valerie, as the Fairy gym leader, being both cute and unsettling is incredibly fitting, though. It's the perfect encapsulation of mythical fae folk

[@foxxygradius7858]

Yeah, charmed yet deeply unsettled is exactly how oldschool fair folk are supposed to make you feel XD

[@zearcjustice7837]

idk why people hate her tbh , she is adorable i want to give her head pat and im pretty sure she will purr

[@timmyreobed5043]

I actually really like how unsettling Valerie looks. She excellently invokes the faerie theme with her pretty but uncanny design and whimsical, not-quite-there personality.

[@michaelachapman2192]

fun fact: Getsis's Hydreigen knows Frustration, a move that is stronger the more your pokemon hates you. and cosidering just having a pokemon on your team boosts friendship, you have to treat a pokemon very poorly for this move to be viable.

[@error-try-again-later]

Especially a Pokémon like Hydreigon which _evolves_ via friendship. That poor thing was definitely abused :(

[@Justafella523]

​@@error-try-again-laterhydreigon evolves at level 64

[@PhoenicopterusR]

Not only does it know Frustration, it's maxed out on power too. It has the lowest friendship stat possible.

[@lobsterspasta]

In b&w2 he keeps a life orb on it aswel

[@zerotodona1495]

@@Justafella523he’s was 54 if I’m not mistake so forced evolution.

[@Mizu_Melon]

I feel like if Marlon was in Black and White 1, there wouldn't be as many people that dislike him. Because in BW1, Team Plasma kept their more evil-esc stuff under the radar of the public. So having a character that's sort of like "Are they actually bad people?" would work very well and make sense! However, Marlon was in Black and White 2. And in that game before you meet him, Team Plasma already did what could be considered the equivalent of a terrorist attack on Opelucid City. So his question seems like he's either completely oblivious to what's going on, or he has the "they haven't done anything to me so they can't be that bad" kind of mindset. I don't know, maybe the words I'm saying don't make sense.

[@youtube-kit9450]

Absolutely. Marlon was written like a BW1 character in BW2. In BW2, everyone knows Team Plasma was a bunch of bullshit, Ghetsis was evil, and they did who knows what in the first games. Anyone still being like "nah, I don't believe it until I see it" isn't being a healthy sceptic, but an idiot at best or maliciously "sceptic" at worst, and doesn't help he basically acts like a dogwhistling "centrist". Doesn't help he only shows up in a super small part of the story, only seems to impede you and not help you at all in difference to the other gym leaders, and his team lineup is just... weak.

[@Protofall]

@@youtube-kit9450 Just to correct a small part of this. He's not completely useless. He's the reason you're even able to board the Plasma Frigate when you encounter it near his city, because he (somehow) deploys it's boarding platform, allowing you to enter it. Also, I don't see how he impedes you, he's not the one stopping your progress in that area (That would be Plasma and the Crustle blocking the cave exit). While I don't think he's that well written, I think his whole spiel about "You shouldn't just do the right thing, but also you should know why you're doing it" is there for Hugh's character development. Like Truegreen7 said, Hugh starts off as seeing all of Plasma as bad, but grows to realise its not so Black and White. Hugh's original goals of taking on Plasma were good intentioned, and a lot of them were indeed doing bad things. But by the end Hugh realises what he really cares about and, once Ghetsis' Team Plasma is stopped, he decides to help the Ex-Plasmas to re-unite more people with their lost pokemon. Hugh is present for both of Marlon's main speeches, which I don't think is a coincidence. I admit though that its kinda odd how he doesn't really know about Plasma and doesn't seem that concerned with them. He has that surfer dude vibe, but Flint from Sinnoh kind of did too and he wouldn't be happy with Plasma. Or maybe Humilau City is so remote prior to B2W2 that literally no one there was aware of Plasma? Dunno, it's still a stretch. Marlon needed a bit more time in the oven.

[@thatboidarock3731]

I actually like Iono, manly because she isn’t the stereotypical stream/influencer who loves their fans and is super nice. But because she constantly chases clout and attention and it feels like GF was making fun of streamers. I also liked the simp jokes they made.

[@error-try-again-later]

I love the joke about that one guy's donation paying for your reward money.

So she is the stereotypical streamer/influencer behind the curtains?

[@tucannYT]

I get this is a bit out there, but yonestly, I'd quite like to see a darker side to Iono. Something like her putting on an act during streams but is a lot more vulnerable off-camera. It's a sensitive topic for sure, given that a lot of streamers/content creators go through things like that, but given how great the writing was for SV, I reckon it could be handled well.

[@anonymousfog501]

I love Hugh as a character because his entire reason to explore is to look for his sister's cat and also he straight up punches a guy.

[@TheWeimarRepublik]

Right! He's so badass

[@HaruFtc]

Ikr! I love him,he's some of my favorite rivals of Pokémon

[@villainapologist7858]

Gen 9 has some of the most charming and fun characters, I'm happy arven didn't even appear on the gen 9 list (makes sense) cuz he's THAT popular. I knew Geeta would be number one... I hope the dlc expands on some of the more underdeveloped characters.

[@KurapikaStan]

I’m pretty sure they might make a Third version

[@claran3616]

HAS ANYONE ELSE noticed that Geeta's design looks like motherbeast Lusumine, almost to a T?

[@KurapikaStan]

@@matchapaws8193 well every Gen up until this point have had a Game outside of the Main 2 like Yellow, Emerald, Ultra Sun, or Alpha Sapphire and Remakes happen every other Gen 2: No 3: Yes 4: Yes 5: No 6: Yes 7: No* 8: Yes (Gen 7 doesn’t count since I’m talking about specifically main remakes not Let’s go) So either they Make Third Version/Sequel or Another Legends Game They would probably call it something like Jade or maybe a shade of Yellow to finish the Primary colors trio But that’s just a Theory (Also The Remakes Yes No pattern broke at Gen 4 with two yes in a row but I have 2 things that explain this not happening to Gen 9 1 Pokémon was not as Standardized as it is now, now we have simultaneous releases around the world starting on X & Y where the tradition still lines up 2 Black & White are to new the distance between games and there remakes were 8 Years then 10 Years Then 12 Years then 15 years but Black & White are only 12 Years old when Gen 9 Started and will become 15 years by the end which would make sense for a remake (Also fun fact all the Regions except Kanto had there remake game come in the Gen that was Multiplied by 2 from there original Gen)

[@KurapikaStan]

@ChaosLord5129 wdym

[@KurapikaStan]

@ChaosLord5129 I meant a game that wasn’t the First 2 for Example Other than Red & Blue there was Yellow Other than Gold & Silver there was Crystal Other than Ruby & Sapphire there was Emerald, FireRed, and LeafGreen Other than Diamond & Pearl there was Platinum, HeartGold, and SoulSilver Other than Black & White there was Black 2 & White 2 Other than X & Y there was Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire Other than Sun & Moon there was Ultra Sun, Ultra Moon, Let’s go Eevee, and Let’s go Pikachu Other than Sword & Shield there was Brilliant Diamond, Shining Pearl, and Legends Arceus I’m just pointing out patterns (I also forgot to put something in the original Comment and I have now edited it)

[@PragMagik]

“But I’d spoil her any day.” Same Ron, same.

[@CommanderCAP78]

How did you write this a day ago

[@akg054]

@@CommanderCAP78 channel members get videos early

[@Dan55888]

Simps

[@lorettaantwi2054]

@@akg054 oh I did not know that

[@PurplonTV]

Agreed

[@donovan802]

9:34 I’m part of the 15% of people that actually like Iris. Say what you will, 'cause you’re right; from a more critical perspective, yes, she is relatively annoying, but as a kid, I honestly never found her bad. Plus, in the Masters 8, she’s matured a lot and lost to Cynthia with honor and without any battle gimmicks.

[@Dan55888]

I mean the fact that she somehow rocketed up to be so strong was a gimmick

[@honeybunniexox]

BW was my introduction to Pokemon, so Iris has a special place in my heart :)

[@noodleydoo2862]

@@Dan55888 not really?? She gained her strength because she changed and matured

[@whimsiclaw]

I think people need to understand that she's so annoying because she's a child! She kind of reminds me of a kid who's at the stage of like "I'M a mature adult because I'M in middle school now!" or something. I find her character rather entertaining when I look at her from that perspective

[@donovan802]

@@honeybunniexox literally same; i grew to like her a lot 😁

[@tsgtajirisilvergaming90]

I have seen a lot of negative sentiment about nemona, I think this might clear up a lot of things. People hate when the rival chooses the starter that is weak to yours. In the very beginning of the game she wanted to choose a starter to raise alongside you to hopefully encourage you to be a formidable rival. I'm sure she intentionally chose the weaker one to give the upper hand to the player. In the post game one of the conversations she has with you and her room is that she always goes easier on other people so everyone can enjoy the experience. People avoid battling her because she is seen as someone who has a natural gift for battle. Once she sees your battle prowess and your eagerness to challenge her, it sparks the drive to do better and to find a worthy rival. I find her arc way more compelling than blue ever will be and I played since the very beginning in '98. It was so refreshing to see!

[@aqualacerta3961]

yeah, but the arc would've worked if the difficulty of her battles increased with her wanting to go full power etc. But it didn't, she stayed weak, wich i think is the main reason people don't see the arc and just find her annoying and pushy

[@TheDeathmail]

Not to mention the fact that she's the only rival that's also acts more like a girlfriend than a friend... Scarlet and Violet have a lot more flirting than any other generation....

[@kbeatzgonecrazy656]

I also saw alot of hate towards Nemona in the comment section. I don't think Nemona is a bad character. Nemona is that one nerd in class who is bored of always being first place in class. She is a girl with the hunger of competition which is why she was excited to see a new student in her class hoping that the student (yourself) will be a good rival. Even this doesn't sum up the fact that she is a total stranger and makes you think that maybe she did this to every new student at school or like Why would this girl choose a random ass guy to be her rival? Like there were a lot of blank and doubting spaces in this scenario. Which is why i think she is not the best rival or incomplete rival in my opinion. The idea of a strong trainer wanting to become the rival of a beginner is a cool concept but they could've done the writing a bit better in the start. But everything else battles, personality, character design were great, loved it.

[@hoangkienvu7572]

Good idea, bad execution. Nemona choosing a type-advantage starter would still keep the idea. Also let her mons in the final battle all lvl 80 or something.

[@error-try-again-later]

It just doesn't really work in the gameplay.

[@bobosmith101]

The funny thing was that meeting Khalil made me pop off. I was one of the few people who remembered all of the NPCs talking about this really strong trainer who golfed around the second island and looked around and couldn't find them. So finally meeting them as an Elite Four member was hype.

[@DallenPearson]

I’d audibly laughed when he said “I’d spoil her anyway and “people want N’s package”

[@jj6148]

I died on that second line lmao

[@identiikit]

Her ero- erratic personality

[@jownadel1526]

11:46

[@Uncreative_Username]

Tbh I want his pack-

[@RUKOLAKE]

Same

[@FTChomp9980]

Looker deserves his own Detective Spinoff seriously he's underrated how GameFreak treats him and Anabel is unfair.

[@AmyoftheFlowerField]

Looker is amazing and the fact he was not in the remakes hurt me. I loved him in Platinum and every other rendition. He's a tough, compased agent, but is also compassionate towards his subordinates and pokémon. He's great. Kinda feels like a stand in dad for me, at least in Platinum

[@SingingSealRiana]

He started out as a joke, but he grows ever more awesome and I loved the missable side plot with him in kalos!!!

[@GamingWithHajimemes]

This. This is what I hoped detective Pikachu would've been.

[@error-try-again-later]

Looker is one of my absolute favourite side characters lmao.

[@mattcoyle1620]

Or, alternatively, he should have appeared in Detective Pikachu.

[@BurakkuHishou]

I've seen some Vtuber reactions to Iono, and aside from the now universal gimmick of their fanbase immediately switching to cheer for Iono which is very funny, a lot of them mock Iono because she's a "numbers streamer" meaning that she focuses too much on the numbers attached to her channel like subscribers rather than just ensuring she produces good content. Apparently those are the worst kinds of streamers.

[@error-try-again-later]

Iono being a trash streamer just feels so fitting for some reason lmao

[@jambon2730]

The best part is that she got called out by Gresha in the DLC about her making more view oriented content instead of more risky and innovative one

[@doctordestructo3360]

Yeah, that was the reason I hated Iono. She seemed really selfish and more concerned with popularity by using cheap tricks instead of actually making good content. It disappointed me how she has so much potential for her content to be good as a gym leader, but completely wastes it on focusing on view count instead of showcasing the ins and outs of being a gym leader.

[@-VoDkAsVengeance-]

"Apparently?" Do you think quantity over quality is... good?

[@GiordanDiodato]

she was probably made intentionally like that to mock those kind of streamers.

[@magicdreemurr3771]

I have a theory that Geeta might actually be the older sister of Nemona we hear about in Scarlet and Violet. There's just something about Geeta and Nemona's relationship that feels different. Like, Geeta talks to Nemona differently to everyone else, even you after you become champion. And she definitely doesn't talk to Nemona like she does to her staff or coworkers. One thing I won't understand though is why people make her out to be an antagonist (potentially for the DLC). Geeta's not a bad person, she's just a little overbearing (*ahem* like Nemona). Granted, I still found her and Nemona to be equally pleasant characters and hope that they try the whole Champion-Rival idea in a future game because it was a really interesting concept and it made me feel genuinely bad for Nemona.

[@lugiamastero13]

Yeah to be honest I also see them as being related in some way but the thing that people point to in terms of her being an antagonist is the fact that she owns a pokemon only found in Area Zero which already makes her heavily suspicious as that area is strictly off limits to everyone not to mention I sometimes wonder if she was there prior or shortly after the professors death at the hands of the agressive legendary Cyclizar knowing how dangerous that area must of been and how easily Arvens Mabosstif was severely injured by the paradox pokemon one would have to question her motives for even setting foot there and yes she is the chairwoman of the pokemon league but she's not a scientists...or is she? That alone makes me wonder what else she is hiding and we know she is the first champion of the region and all but there's no way she's at full strength with that pushover team of hers we still don't know much about her she may be quite kind and all but we don't know what type of work she's always busy with.

[@intergalactic92]

@@lugiamastero13 you do realise that Glimmora (the pokemon that appears in area zero) evolves from a pokemon you can find outside of area zero. She probably just evolved it. Nemona is referring to the fact she had never seen the fully evolved form in the wild before. And even if she did capture it fully evolved, she is the top champion, if anyone is allowed in area zero it’s going to be her. It doesn’t make her evil. It honestly feels a little desperate. I hate her, but there’s no real reason to hate her…. Unless she were evil! Yes, that would make it ok. She must be secretly evil.

[@lugiamastero13]

@@intergalactic92 I learned that little fact a bit later lmao I'm just surprised by the shock of the characters making it seem that way. Hmm true now that basically rules out any potential evil scheme though I meant to say it was suspicious behavior not necessarily pure evil though I also remember area zero was closed off to everybody even champions and anyone else considering they needed the professors permission to enter the place anyways so I guess that makes her even less suspicious until we find out more about her though that is

[@Sofia-k7m2o]

Instead of her being a villain, we got Kieran.

[@Whale-Shark-Katie]

I don’t get how people can hate characters like Ghetsis or Lusamine because they’re horrible people, like yes, I agree, they’re awful people (it was shown that Lusamine is working on herself tho so that’s really cool to see), but that doesn’t mean they’re bad characters, if anything, them being genuinely awful adds to why I like them, they push what it really means to be evil and I love that

[@NateHatak]

See, I don't want to assume, but at the same time what I read between the lines of your comment is that you want evil characters and enjoy their villainy. There are are others who want the opposite. I do not enjoy villainising people or see the need for evil rooted human conflict. People are complex so at least we would want to know and understand how they came to do such evil deeds to see some glimps of humanity.

[@eljordinio7647]

I mean u got a point there but they do pretty bad stuff so they kind of want you to hate them

[@Whale-Shark-Katie]

@@eljordinio7647 that’s why I love them as characters tho, you are supposed to hate them because they really are that horrible, and they execute that perfectly, it’s the same reason I love Mysterio from Spider-Man, he’s a horrible person and you’re clearly meant to see that and make you dislike him, and that’s why he’s an amazing character, cuz he succeeds at that perfectly

[@StrykerMagnum]

Most people nowadays aren't able to separate fiction from reality, so Lusamine's crimes are as real as any humans- and a shockingly large amount of people might also try to make the argument that the author of their stories are by extension guilty of the crimes their characters commited. I don't know how we got to this point, and I can't fathom how people can come to that conclusion, but well, we're here. xD For the record, after learning why N is named what he is, my blood ran cold. I was so ready to kick Ghetsis' ass, man...

[@Darkheartfries250]

Honestly my main dislike for Lusamine is not because she's horrible. I just think Gamefreak retconned her character hard after her debut games. Its not even a redemption arc I don't think. Just a complete rewrite of her original character to make her seem like a good person who made some mistakes. Rather then Ghetsis levels of cruellity.

[@M_Alexander]

Sun and Moon have a lot of evidence to support how the direction of the game was changed late in development. GameFreak basically rewrote the plot but had to use the available resources and models since those weren't created inhouse. That's almost guaranteed to be the reason why a few of the type specialists (Kahili for example) feel shoehorned in while others like the Normal and Fairy specialists feel swapped

[@M_Alexander]

Could have something to do with why some of the ultra beasts look like Lily, Guzma, and Lusamine

[@noahberan6498]

How did Kahili feel shoehorned in when that's pretty much how all E4 members were up until that point? And there was a reason for Lillie and Lusamine to look like Ultra beasts, it was because of Lusamine's obsession with them

[@M_Alexander]

@@noahberan6498 other Elite 4 members are at least established in their regions and there are often NPCs who allude to them. In several games they'll make cameos to introduce themselves. Also it's rare in the 3D games for characters with highly distinct models to have only a minor scene and a few lines. Also... what does her obsession with them have to do with multiple characters looking like them? That has even less to do with Nihilego displaying mannerisms of a young girl, plus Pheromosa isn't one Lusamine had experience with. I mean arguing because you have doubts is one thing but the rewrites aren't a secret or anything. I'd argue that your way makes less sense

[@noahberan6498]

@@M_Alexander Other characters do allude to Kahili though, there's a few people in the Hano grand resort that talk about a "super strong golfer". I always took it as having one "traditional" E4 member because we've been exposed to the others a lot throughout the plot. But for Lillie it was definitely because Lusamine was obsessed with Nihilego so she dressed Lillie to resemble it. Gladion said he used to do the same thing to him too. You make a good point about Lusamine's resemblance to Pheromosa though, although it could just be that she was obsessed with Ultra beasts in general. I'm not saying there's no chance of what you're saying being true, I'm just saying there are explanations to those examples in game

[@wanderlustwarrior]

That slip up on Zinnia made me laugh out loud. Usually you're more open about your crushes, Ron!

[@MagillanicaLouM]

Truegreen: ppl love her erotic- i meab erratic nature Me: no, no, the erotic part plays a role for me too

[@Basically_Anybody]

I'm surprised Rika wasn't considered controversial, because of her use in a botched attempt to make the Elite 4 look like some professional gig. The most stand-out part of her character is how she completely contradicts a statement Hassel makes earlier. When you first meet Hassel during the Gym Challenge, he asks you what your motivation was for taking the Gym Challenge, and states that there is no wrong answer. During the Champion Assessment interview, Rika will fail the player for giving an any answer to the question "why are you here today?" (which is functionally identical to Hassel's question) other than "to become a champion".

[@hyperstormx3194]

To be fair, if you're taking the *Champion Assessment* and you don't wanna be a champion, something wrong has happened

[@cheeseeygamer2997]

I don't really feel like it's controversial when considering the differences between the gym challenge and the pokemon league. I see it similar to the differences between sports school and professional sports. In school being the best isn't the only valid reason to join sports. You might join to make friends, stay healthy, or even to just have fun. You don't even have to be aiming to make varsity to have a valid reason to be playing sports. However, when you go professional then you need to aim to be the best that you can be and be better than others. Otherwise you're not gonna be a professional for very long. Back to the world of pokemon, you can take the gym challenge without wanting to challenge the pokemon league at the end. Could be to journey with friends, find a goal on life, grow a closer bond with your pokemon, etc. There's not technically a need to finish the gym challenge. Meanwhile, if your challenging the pokemon league then you should be there to challenge and become champion, otherwise your wasting everyone's time.

[@grimmylocked]

There's no contradiction? There is no wrong answer to what is your motivation to become a champion - but the preceding question is to ensure the intent of the participant is to become champion.

[@PeruvianPotato]

I mean why are you even there in the first place if you don't want to become Champion?

[@residentkane]

Well, yeah. If you're at the champion assessment and you're not there to become a champion, then there's probably something wrong up there.

[@kumonoameai]

In the anime there's actually a scene that hints that Chairman Rose's whole plan being so insane is not because of ridiculously long term planning, but because he's dealing with the unprocessed grief of losing his dad in a mining accident which has left him mentally unstable.

[@Main_Brianna.]

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[@starvoltnexus3139]

That should’ve been in the game

[@kumonoameai]

@@starvoltnexus3139 My thoughts exactly!

[@Magical-N]

I don't remember that scene! This is in the 4-part Journeys adaptation, right?

[@kumonoameai]

@@Magical-N That's correct. It's a blink and you miss it moment, but it's during the fight between Rose and Ash if that helps you find it.

[@Tuskor130]

"Sometimes forgettable is worse than bad." I couldn't agree with that sentiment more. I think a character you think sucks is still better than a character you don't remember after the story is over. Same thing with video games. I remember playing this one GameCube game that was advertised as "like a mix of pokemon and Mario party." It made 11 year old me get extremely excited and I bought it on the spot. Then I played it and it was nothing close to either, and was an overall bad experience. Compare that to the Aquaman GameCube game I only remember owning and not remembering a moment of gameplay of.

[@GiordanDiodato]

was the game Cubivore by any chance?

[@Tuskor130]

​@GiordanDiodato just did a bit of googling, the game was called "Amazing Island" by Sega, for the gamecube. I remember seeing it in a gamestop and reading the back of the box which said "like pokemon meets mario party" and bought it on the spot.

[@Angwiser-zk7vk]

Sordward and shieldbert’s hair issues could’ve been salvaged with three lines of dialogue after the lab battle Sonia: and what’s with the hair? Shieldbert: our royal family has worn these for generations Sordward: he’s one to say it, he doesn’t have to be compared with a whezing’s head

[@scrunkore]

I think it's funnier if they don't mention it

[@lunathegamer]

I read Sordward as Squidward, god, help me, I’ve been watching too much SpongeBob

[@noahberan6498]

I like how it's implied that they are so obsessed with their lineage that they make their hair like that. It's a nice take on conceited celebrities

[@Vallderius]

I love Wally not because of the game, where he doesn’t do much, but because of the manga, in which his story is developed a lot more and there are chapters entirely about him

[@SingingSealRiana]

I adored him when I played Ruby and loved he got expended on in the remake

[@VestedUTuber]

Diantha's lack of doing anything + Leon's "entire character revolves around being the champion" + Trace's lack of difficulty + Cynthia's interesting character design = Geeta

[@PokeGuy6]

Personally, i like the "nice" rivals thing because in one aspect it shows you that they're still human. Those who think they're better than you and think that they are hot stuff are just spoilt and bratty but many times they can show humility and don't forget, they're still human too. And the backlash for many characters, to me, is just silly. I mean I like Cynthia because she's got a really cool design, a pretty challenging team and a really cool personality. People who hate Hau and Hop don't realise that not everyone can be expected to be the same as everyone else, everyone needs their own little niche and all that. Like both Hau and Hop want to live up to their family's expectations even though they don't really have to prove anything at all. They can just be themselves. But thats just my opinion.

[@FirbolgVagabond]

I think the reason a lot of people don't like Hop is because he's just not handled the best from a player perspective. He's too friendly and naive to be fun to take down, but he's also too competative for the fights to just feel like fun. He's also incredibly easy to beat. My Cinderace would almost always one shot his entire team even when I was only 2 or 3 levels higher than him. It combines to make honestly a kind of pitiful experience. I felt horrible beating him over and over, I felt like I was crushing this poor kid's dreams. A lot of people I've talked to feel the same way. So I think people don't like him as much because they just don't feel good about how the interactions with his character go.

[@annakaro9081]

I liked Ilima because he's a rich boy who was raised to have manners and stuff, but the moment you start a pokemon battle, his personality changes to an excited battle junkie. I thought it really showed how much he loved pokemon. Marnie, on the other hand... she's nice, but it kind of felt like she was made to fit the fantasy of a certain type of male gamer audience.

[@LocalTiredArtist]

I love Ilona so much. He’s who made me really love Smeargle as a pokemon.

[@floridianliau35]

Funny thing about Brock is that the producers were so worried that Brock would be a giant walking representation of a stereotypical Asian due to his eyes being closed and the audience would not like it so much. It had the opposite effect considering that when Brock was replaced, fans were outraged for his removal from the anime series.

[@GarryDKing]

Is Brock problematic: it really depends on who you ask, I do see why people might not like him for being a womanizer and all, but he's still one of my fav anime characters cause despite his constant harassment, he's never rewarded for it, he's often dragged away or poisoned for his antics, which is how you can see it more as a comedy bit than a creepy thing; Whitney's Miltank, just the frickin cow man... I really don't got any probs with any hoen or sinnoh characters XD Iris was definitely done dirty in the anime, and in hindsight a lot of characters were done poorly anime wise, which sucks cause gen 5 has the 2nd best story. In the case of Iris it is annoying how they basically made her a bitch to Ash despite all her original team giving her too many problems to make her seem competent [like seriously you know you're doing something wrong when your own pokemon considers joining team rocket] And it kinda sucks that a lotta her development was offscreened when she returns for pokemon journeys as the champion, they basically offscreened her whole goal. Dianthe is definitely too easy for a champion, and really shouldn't have been in the final tourney in the anime...... but if i was to choose a controversial character it'd have to be bonney, mostly cause her anime adaptation annoyed me a lot. Lusamine's villain nerfing was definitely the worst thing alola did, they took one of the most interesting villains and tried to redeem her in the ultra games and the anime, i like Lusamine as a character but i feel like her character was greatly harmed trying to make her more likable, when we coulda just loved to hate her. I honestly have a hard time buying that Leon is the strongest ever tbh; but Rose is definitely the Prince Hans of pokemon, being an unnecessary twist villain just for the sake of having a twist villain.... Geeta's team can be a pushover but underestimating her can be dangerous if your entire story team turns out to be weak to poison and rock type moves O-O Though in all honesty, Geeta isn't really meant to be liked, even in the relationships between other characters she isn't really many people's favorites. Hell when you do the gym leader rematches: Larry, Tulip and Rhyme all mention how they dislike the champion on a personal level, so having problems with her is definitely by design, and gamefreak being strategically inept

[@FTChomp9980]

Brock is supposed to be a Ladies man.

[@jeffreygao3956]

@@FTChomp9980 And reunite him with Lucy!

[@railroader2431]

Larry doesn’t really state he dislikes Geeta from what I read. In fact, he states that he now understands why she asked him to use flying types at the league, and that she’s told him to cut back on his hours. As for Ryme and Tulip, both of them seem to dislike her because she harmed their egos in some accidental way. Ryme straight-up tries to pull the “does she know who I am” card, and Tulip only dislikes her because Geeta’s “style” clashes with hers. So they’re both kind of petty. Nobody else really expresses any issue with her.

[@MagusAgrippa8]

Without a rock type or rock type move, I actually lost to him at first. Charizard can be pretty hard to beat if you’re unprepared.

[@intergalactic92]

I’m of the opinion that gen 7 and 8 derive a lot of their plot and themes from gen 6. These, more than any other generations, 'copy' each other a lot, or at least attempt to fix stuff that didn’t work so well the first time. Case in point Lysandre is presented as a twist villain, his unveiling of his grand plan is supposed to be a surprise. The biggest problem with this is that it is not surprising in the slightest. Apart from the fact he dresses just like Team Flare, has Team Flare grunts hanging around in his cafe, and makes blatantly evil speeches, there is literally no one else introduced in the story, apart from AZ now that I think about it, that it could possibly be. There is no mystery to solve. There are no red herrings. I appreciate its not a mystery game where one of the big questions is "who could possibly be the villain" but he is presented as a twist villain regardless. Move on to gen 7, and you get Lusamine, who is also a twist villain. Again it’s not too much of a surprise, for she is immediately sus, and we see the Aether Foundation goons chasing Lillie in the prologue, but it is presented so much better. For one we are distracted by Team Skul for most of the game, Lusamine doesn’t even show up until late on, after Team Skul and Guzma have made appearances. Secondly, Aether Foundation are a genuinely good organisation (mostly) and are constantly shown doing nice things. All of this leaves genuine questions in your heads, you know that Aether must be up to no good thanks to the prologue, and lusamine's vibe, but as they don’t seem to be doing anything bad, whilst there is a different group stirring up trouble, makes it more satisfying and shocking when it is all revealed. Then we get to gen 8 and Rose genuinely is Lysandre all over again. Seriously Rose is introduced as a philanthropist, just like Lysandre, a prominent figure in the region who shows an interest in your journey, and keeps talking about making the world better. Where Lysandre is blatantly up to no good, and has a pretty selfish goal, Rose acts pretty chill throughout, the only red flag may be his endorsement of Bede and then coldly discarding him when he misbehaves, and later turns out to be evil in a 'shocking' twist. There are hints that Rose is up to no good throughout, but it is much more subtle than with Lysandre, and besides, there is another 'evil' team running around so you are distracted. Now I am also puzzled as to why they went this direction with a twist villain yet again, especially when he is so similar in concept to one we've already seen. It does feel like the writers were trying to do Lysandre again, but better. I’m not going to comment on whether he is or not, because I’m not interested in discussing their respective plans at this point, but I do think Rose is a more successful twist, by virtue of the better subtlety in its build up. I’m just pleased they did something different for Scarlet/Violet

[@akumayoxiruma]

18:59 Honestly, the fact that Leon has a Charizard is perfectly fitting: Just like Charizard being quite a very basic Pokémon (a dragon who breathes fire... ground-breaking...), Leon is just quite a basic champion with him having a brother as a deuteragonist being the most interesting aspect about him.

[@amesstarline5482]

To me, Charizard is a Dragon Mimic, rather than a true dragon. An immitation, just like Leon.

[@rustymidlander05]

I love Leon, I find his tendency to get lost quite charming, he's much better than dommy vanilla soccer mom (Cynthia)

[@aqua6166]

leon is the best champion personality wise because he is literally the champion with personality in the games.

[@TheTenebrys]

hau is goofy but ends up being an absolute threat in the usum champion fight once he actually tries to win instead of being all friendly,him realizing the trainer idealology makes him worthy of being the kahunas grandkid and it shows

[@thegayghost872]

People who don’t like Gordie are cowards, he’s awesome

[@Aegis_Paradise]

Ghetsis though, he literally gets 1 second away from killing you with Kyurem’s Glaciate. I love how crazy he is. Also, looking at the recent trend, we’ll get a second ScVi.

[@neji5621]

"Cynthia, the Charizard of Pokémon characters." That's just perfect 😂. Still love her tho

[@RosePetalSparks]

My mom, when I was battling against Iono, actually found Iono scary because of her sharp teeth and a bit crazy. She gave me a bit of a challenge, taking down my Clodsire and getting my Lokix on one HP, but I managed to defeat her and I felt a huge swing of victory

[@hondaaccord1399]

Iono the type to take a chunk out of your neck for a dono

[@GalaxyVaporeon]

Her mismagious almost destroyed my entire team

[@anneboonchuy17]

I love hau because he always there to help you out when you in the story He friendly ans feels like a brother to you And give you item How can people hate nice rivals? :( I like them...

[@dudeguy1894]

"...and associate him with some of the worst post-games they've experienced" WHAT!? Looker's appearance in XY was one of the greatest post-game experiences since HGSS!

[@Silverheart575]

I love Hop. He, in my opinion really balances the whole Rival/Friend thing. He’s always trying to one up and beat you, but he’s also there to help whenever necessary.

[@MagusAgrippa8]

Hop really bothered me at first. I thought we were going to get another Hau, but thankfully we actually got to see his arc play out. Unlike Hop, who got an offscreen arc in USUM that I personally found undeserved. It’s for this reason that I really like Hop, but I think he could do more than being a researcher. I think he’d make a pretty rad Pokémon Ranger to be honest. Seems like a more direct way to help people and Pokémon.

[@Silverheart575]

@@MagusAgrippa8 i see you made the opposite mistake I did and wrote Hop instead of Hau, I did the opposite. That’s why it’s edited. But yeah i totally agree with you.

[@MagusAgrippa8]

@@Silverheart575 No mistake on my part. Hop is a much more complete character than Hau. It’s just both of them start from similar places and only one of them really has a proper onscreen arc. I was prepared to hate Hop, but his arc changed my mind.

[@Silverheart575]

@@MagusAgrippa8 “unlike hop, who got an off screen arc in USUM”. I think it was worded weirdly. Sorry I wasn’t sure whether you were agreeing with me at first.

[@MagusAgrippa8]

@@Silverheart575 Ohhhh now I see what you mean. I’m a blind idiot, thank you.

[@cavik977]

17:50 Then there's me, who just wanted the rival archetype to be dead by the time Sword and Shield came out. If there is one thing I have to thank Nemona for, it's giving us a rival who didn't make me go "Get out of here"

[@Ignacio_Moral]

7:38 “And some fans want N’s package.” Was this on purpose or just a slip? 😂

[@splitsee2526]

i mean he is very handsome

[@DetectiveMapping]

Love how the controversies get stupider the closer the games get to the present

[@giboit.]

I think that Gordie is awesome. He is canonically considered to be a candidate to potential future champion and has a huge fanbase (granted I also really like Melony). Also, Rose plan does makes sense. While the energy from dynamax is pretty useful and used in pretty much every imaginable field in the Galar region, the wishing stars themselves (that are small parts of Eternatus that contain that energy) weren't unlimited. So he needed to recreate the events of the first darkest day in order for Eternatus to scatter wishing starts through the region once again. And for that he needed two things: to bring back the darkest day (a.k.a Eternatus) and a "hero" to defeat it (a.k.a Leon). Leon was vital for his plan (since he was making his plan based on his incomplete/inaccurate knowledge of the legend of Galar about "the hero" that saved the region, that was missing one of the ancient tapestries to complete the story, that had the location of the actual heroes that defeated Eternatus). He had Bede as his plan B in case Leon refused to participate in the plan. But he considered Bede unreliable due to his actions with the mural (this scene is REALLY important because it's meant to show Rose's strong ideals and how he cuts connections to anyone who goes against the well being of the Galar region in some way or another). The experiments required to keep Eternatus energized (by giving it the wishing stars that the secret branch of macrocosmos and Bede were collecting) also made it harder to control (that's why you hear explosions every single time you're near hammerlock, since that's where Eternatus was). So the plan couldn't be delayed anymore. His reunion with Leon wasn't exactly his first attempt to get Leon's cooperation but this one was specially important for this reason (hence why the ambush to Leon on his way to his dinner with Hop and the player and Oleana doing everything in her power to delay the arrival of Hop and the player in order for Rose to have enough time to convince him). Leon still considered the plan as too dangerous and declined and that's the moment where Rose saw Leon as he previously saw Bede. But he was still vital for his plan as "the hero" though (since he was a literal unbeatable champion), so he decided to let Eternatus awakening happen in a way he couldn't ignore (during the final battle of the gym challenge). Which worked but the only ones that could actually beat Eternatus were the two legendaries that originally defeated it, that in current times were summoned to save the day by Hop and the player just like what happened 3000 years ago when the ancestors of Swordward and Shieldbert found the relics after Calyrex teleported the entire forest.

[@nickdentoom1173]

Imo, top 5 strongest characters in Galar are 1. Piers 2. Leon 3. Raihan 4. Gordie 5. Kabu With number 2 to 5, they are either champion or implied champion level trainers due to their league card... while Piers is essentially implied to be the strongest trainer overall... but his downfall is that he doesn't use Dynamax/Gigamax, so the others best him with their nuke... but that didn't stop Piers coming close to defeat Raihan, but Raihan won due to his nuke.

[@armaggedon390]

Except Leon did agree to help Rose... tomorrow. And the man couldn't wait one day. That's why it's stupid.

[@giboit.]

@@armaggedon390 You clearly didn't read my comment well. That wasn't the first time that Rose tried to convince Leon to help with the plan. He just kept getting promises to help. But that one was particularly important because the experiments required to keep Eternatus energized also made it harder to control (hence why you hear explosions every time you were near Hammerlock and also why they decided to ambush Leon in a last attempt to convince him). But he only got another promise from Leon and that's the moment were Rose saw Leon like he saw Bede. Which is why he decided to let Eternatus awake in a way he couldn't ignore (during the final battle of the gym challenge).

[@armaggedon390]

@@giboit. Buddy, I love your fanfiction, but that ain't what we saw in the game. Leon said he would help the day after the match, that there was no need to hurry because the crisis was far away. Rose doesn't make sense. I wish he did, I *want* these games to have a good story, but they don't.

[@giboit.]

@@armaggedon390 You're still not getting it. That wasn't the first time that Rose heard that kind of promise from Leon. That moment that you see in the game was just the last straw for him. Many people confused the idea of dynamax energy having the potential to last a thousand years with the wishing starts (the source of that energy) being unlimited. Rose was aiming to restore the amount of wishing stars required to keep having energy able to last a thousand years. Because the wishing stars are used for literally everything in the increasingly wishing stars dependent Galar region. But only Eternatus was able to produce them and the last time he did was 3000 years ago.

[@Fluorite-Fox]

I loved Lillie's arc in the anime and watching her bond with Snowy, her vulpix,grow was so wholesome 💜 Gladion was also good in the anime. In the games lillie only had nebby and the only arc she had was with her mom and gladion soo..

[@patchselg4310]

I can think of one major reason people might dislike Leon. Leon is said to be the strongest trainer..... which threatens Cynthia throne in some fans mind

[@shyguyrocks1]

Further strengthened by the anime where he and Ash are the last two standing among Champions

[@Selet101]

I think the main issue with Wallace is more than he's not even the "real" champion, and more the place holder for Steven who just wants to look for rocks. Proven when Steven is a hidden end game fight with far stronger pokemon that is only available after you defeat Wallace.

[@Void-Lizard]

I never got "absent father" vibes from Norman. I figured it was a day job and the gym closed every night and he came home. I mean, he's like 2 towns over and i doubt he sleeps on the gym floor.

[@Emily-cw7tj]

I got that vibe with him too

[@virgilhawkins3390]

"But I'd personally spoil her any day" ... alright, easy now.

[@Xaychedelic]

I'm surprised that nobody seems to have problems with Colress' motivations on BW2, considering he joined Ghetsis despite knowing what he did in BW. And while he does redeem himself (in BW2 and Kalos), who's to say he won't join another bad organization or turn a blind eye for the wrongdoings for the sake of his research? (This is coming from someone who adores Colress haha! He's a fascinating character)

[@pug9160]

I think that was his point. In a games galled Black and white he was morally grey (Colress fan here too!)

[@TehFoamy]

I wish X and Y went as hard as Lysandre's battle theme Tbh, thinking about all of X and Y's shortcomings just makes me sad that we didn't get Pokémon Z, as I'm sure it would have shored up the many weaknesses that the game had and fleshed it out a lot more

[@moxiemouse24]

when I read Pokémon Z all i could think of was Goku as a Pokémon trainer. tbh, i wonder what kind of team he would have.

[@Unovakid24]

I actually like Iris in the anime, and I'm not just saying that because of my name. Aside from her admittedly annoying "such a kid" line, she's overall a good character. She has a big dream, her love of Dragon types is admirable, and she does have her adorable moments. She's not my favorite character from the anime by any means, but I do think she's a little overhated

[@catsungdae]

i think so too! and granted, i might be biased since i grew up watching the pokemon anime (gens 1-5) over and over and over (listen i wasnt even in kindergarten yet i had nothing better to do with my time), but i don't think shes nearly as bad as people try to make her up to be. maybe it's because i was also a kid, but i never found her annoying; i actually found her quite entertaining. the bickering with ash resembles misty in a way, so i don't get why people jump to hate on anime iris so much. she really doesnt deserve it :(

[@Deinoch_eirus]

Iris supremacy raaah

[@error-try-again-later]

​​@@catsungdae people have _huge_ double standards for Misty compared to the other pokegirls istg.

[@newski7284]

I think that Lysandre from X and Y is pretty lack luster, but if you combine all his appearance, take into account his motivation and what made him that way, he could've been one of the better villains. It's just a shame X and Y didn't do that well with the story telling department.

[@iantaakalla8180]

X and Y casually put in class-based genocide and no one realizes that because X and Y have horrible plot (execution).

[@newski7284]

@@iantaakalla8180 yeah, the anime, manga, and heck even masters tells the story so much better. I also can't believe they were able to have a full genocide story.

[@theserpent8667]

Weird. The anime was incredible.

[@BeIlG]

Nemona is amazing! SHe has a super cool design and feels like a cool rival friend. Her being a champion out the gate was genius and well done! I love!

[@MegaBrainBoi]

Here's a tip for all of the people who struggle with saying admirable: pronounce it the same way you would pronounce admire. So essentially saying it is admire-able. I struggled with the other pronunciation so doing it that way is so much easier.

[@denimvelvet4670]

Nemona is basically Goku. No thought but battle and finding a challenge. What's not to love?

[@Ninetails2000]

Geeta feels like she was intentionally held back to be a villian in whatever the second wave of Gen9 ends up being. She's got her finger in too many pies and her design is way too "I'm not evil, you can trust me." for her to have literally nothing beyond a Champion battle.

[@ghost_curse]

"N's the full package, and some want N's package" That caught me off guard

[@Sylvieboy72]

7:37 "Some Fans want N's Package" Oh My~😅👍

[@Sp3ctralI]

He’s not wrong….right?

[@kevrink5605]

Person: Hop is so annoying. He appears and battles you throughout the story. Me: Name one rival that doesn't do that.

[@TheDeathmail]

What people don't realize is that Flint's team is themed around fire. He has 2 actual fire types, but others are related to flames. Steelix is an Onix that evolved through heat and pressure... while Drifblim is a hot air ballon. And finally, Lopunny is based off of bunny girls and play boy... meaning she is "hot" So Flints team actually makes a lot more sense than you'd think...

[@arininquotes8396]

Wait, why does Cynthia being the Charizard of Pokemon characters make so much sense 😂😂😂

[@zeospark9715]

Also to be fair on Flint, Gen 4 at the time literally gave you only TWO fully evolved fire types to use: Infernape and Rapidash

[@thiffio9134]

Whitney is only a difficulty spike ifif you’re playing the game for the first time! If you still hate her years later, you have a problem!

[@youristevens379]

Trueee man, i've never understood the hate for whitney, my past 3 playthroughs were all a steamroll on her gym ㄟ( ▔, ▔ )ㄏ

[@Sp3ctralI]

@@youristevens379 everyone hates Whitney’s Miltank

[@orbracha25]

@@youristevens379 I can recall playing Johto like 7 times, and I literally never had trouble with her, not even once! I genuinely feel like I'm missing something because like 99% of the community sites her as insanely difficult, but I had much more trouble with Clair's Kingdra than Whitney's Miltank every time I played Johto, even tho my teams were barely made by the time I fought Whitney

[@saucymongoose7246]

Even still, the difficulty spike is SUPER exaggerated. Honestly, if you have a Bayleef, Miltank is easy af especially if you soft reset for a female Chikorita. Poison Powder, Reflect, Synthesis.

[@Dan55888]

I honestly never found her hard. I just know nuzlockers hate her

[@GreenDinoRanger]

I didn't mind Hau as a rival in SM. I hated him in USUM though for one single reason; he was the champion fight. I would have been fine if he were shown to be serious about his goals but he was the same happy-go-lucky guy that approached fights with a half-hearted attitude. It felt insulting that he was the one to step up for the title instead of Kukui.

[@mao-sama6446]

Honestly, when it comes to rivals, I believe it’s their character outside of being a rival is what makes them interesting, regardless if they’re nice or a jerk. I find that the complaint of rivals being nice is more subjective than objective.

[@error-try-again-later]

I think people take an issue when the rival is nothing BUT nice/mean. Personally the rivals like Silver or Paul (from the show) annoy me way more than the nice ones but I can see why a perpetually happy rival could be boring to some players.

[@sunshinekid022]

I wonder what percent of this list was characters who are gender nonconforming or “gay”

[@pengutheone5579]

Ron’s getting bold with his commentary. I love it.

[@castform7]

Never in my days as a Truegreen7 subscriber would I ever expect Ron to do the "mommy" bit or bring up N's "package" but I'm kinda here for it.

[@splitsee2526]

I love how hes just shifting to content he enjoys doing instead of tending to youtube's needs (he still is kinda but hes getting more loose with it which is cool)

[@Theseus_and_Asterius]

That ending Claire comment caught me off guard

[@sumeracarnatia6997]

I completely agree with what you said about Cynthia. I find immensely overrated as story wise, she’s just barely involved in things and her most noteworthy moment is exclusive to Platinum.

[@andersonweir11]

She chamipon got title to defend

[@CaptainObliviousV]

At best, in terms of story relevance, she’s irresponsible and an instigator, making you her errand boy to deliver a charm to her grandma (who probably would’ve liked to see her granddaughter) and pissing Cyrus off in the distortion world then making you fight him while she watches from the side with a bucket of popcorn.

[@dantemustdie00]

Yeah even her predecessors Cognita and Volo are more involved in their games plots

[@error-try-again-later]

I personally love her unbothered vibes lmao

[@defeatstatistics7413]

@@CaptainObliviousV I like the idea that she's there just in case, it's why she never seems that worried. She knows that if you lose, her Garchomp will absolutely decimate Cyrus, but she's letting you take the spotlight to learn and grow as a trainer. I mean, compared to Rowan, Barry and Dawn/Lucas, she's awfully calm about the whole thing, considering it's a literal world-ending plot. She *knows* she can win.

[@POKENAR]

See, for the "asshole rival" archetype, I definitely prefer Blue over Silver, you kick both of their asses every time you meet, but at least Blue still has reasons to be smug, he's one step ahead of you for the gym challenge and is destroying you in the pokedex completion challenge, meanwhile Silver just talks about how his ruthless method beats your friend, loses, insists he's still better, and then rinse and repeat until suddenly he's not an asshole when he gets to kanto.

[@error-try-again-later]

Vietnamese Crystal Silver >>>> canon Silver.

[@starapton5374]

For my Lysander is a cool design but fell flat as a character. He also looks like my Guilty Gear main so he gets some bonus points

[@overgrowthwhoaskedforhandles]

lmao he actually does look like leo whitefang, knew that haircut from somewhere

[@starapton5374]

@@overgrowthwhoaskedforhandles I didn’t expect anyone to recognize what character I’m talking about. Most of the fighting game players I play with don’t play Pokémon

[@overgrowthwhoaskedforhandles]

​@@starapton5374 i play guilty gear pretty casually with a couple of my friends. its a fun time for sure

[@starvoltnexus3139]

11:00 Valerie was our first fairy gym leader. And Gens V and VI What kind of where they started really hammering in the characters’ theming and personality into their design. and it seems like they wanted her to resemble a fae. So yeah I’m not to bothered by it overall but her eyes were weird to me when I first realized their difference. We’ve gotten more subtle and/or better executions in fairy specialist designs later on (But to be fair I really think Tulip and Ortega should’ve swapped types.)

[@TheMasterBlaze]

I'm just burnt out on Cynthia. She's basically become the goku of the games and is just so unanimously praised up to the detriment of other aspects of the franchise. Sure she's cool, but let other characters and games shine. Cynthia isn't the only strong boss in the games and isn't the only character worth talking and thirsting about.

[@happycampr108]

She isnt one of the only strong ones but tell me when another leader/elite four member had a pokemon which u couldnt super effective hit it

[@jovinprime]

Ong man she's so overrated

[@dragonjolteon146]

​@@happycampr108 Iono had her Tera Electric Mismagius with Levitate.

[@defeatstatistics7413]

@@happycampr108 Phoebe's Sableye, gen 3.

[@lary6420]

4:42 Found it really hard to like any Normal-Type Gym Leaders until Larry came along in Gen 9. Gen 5 came close in B/W 2 but that's cause in the fist B/W we grew to know him as a rival 1st. It was amazing character progression but apart from that, he didn't stand out all too much when he became a Gym Leader.

As Chuggaaconroy mentioned in his playthrough, one reason people could dislike Marlon is that his disinterest was showcased *after* Team Plasma froze Opelucid City.

[@jamesdigman6548]

Dang, surprised Professor Turo/Sada wasn't the most controversial character for Gen 9

[@omegon2540]

the real reason lance is controversal is that he never ever used more dragon types than flying types he blatantly lies about his actual type speacialty

[@defeatstatistics7413]

Aerodactyl aside, they're all in the dragon egg group. And gen 2 was severely limited on options for dragon trainers, so Aerodactyl is kinda close. I let him off for that tbh. in the PWT he does use all dragons (his team is Dragonite, Kingdra, Haxorus, Salamence, Hydreigon, and Flygon).

[@omegon2540]

@@defeatstatistics7413 he just had to say he was a flying specialist

[@heavymetalmew6222]

That was a hell of a Freudian slip when you were talking about Zinnia Ron, anything else you want to share with the class?

[@Emily-cw7tj]

😂

[@dymedier]

7:36 "And some fans want N's package" YES!!! ME!!

[@eattheranch]

Penny instantly became one of my fave characters of all time during the post game. She’s hilarious and… quite sad if you think about her story. HER HATE IS NOT JUSTIFIED!!

[@overseerpjoe9477]

My biggest complaints about Penny is that she just felt like a dollar store version of Futaba from P5, but with a paper-thin disguise on her Cassiopeia identity. My other complaint is that in Area Zero, Arven says that having someone good with technology will be very important, obviously hinting at getting Penny. However, her sole contribution that wasn't Pokemon battling, which everyone there could do, was turning on the lights in the first room. She just felt wasted in Area Zero, and I would have rather brought along a strapping young lad like Clive instead.

[@eattheranch]

@@overseerpjoe9477 I can agree with wishing she had a bigger role in Area Zero, but i still loved having her there nonetheless 🥺 i also love how she was there to sympathize with koraidon/miraidon when no one else would

[@eattheranch]

it also makes me sad to see ppl bashing on her cuz “her being cassiopeia is so obvious!!1!” like fellas,, i’m pretty sure it’s SUPPOSED to be obvious lmaooo

[@akilcharles3473]

Gen 7 was and is my favorite Pokemon games and in regards to to Lusamine & Lillie I personally like them. However with many fans who believe that USUM botched the story between them I for 1 don't mind the change of it especially when it comes to the post game where Lillie allys with the trainer to fight off team Rainbow Rocket. Also as I love Lusamine fighting Ultra Necrozma was way more harder than fighting Lusamine tbh.

[@romantheblack-cat]

I straight up cried when Lillie went to kanto at the end of pokemon sun...given i was eight and having my first ever crush

[@Slimeonian]

11:44 Ayo? For her WHAT personality? 😳

[@SerathDarklands]

Lusamine feels a lot like Ragyou Kiryuuin to me. The same "only pretty things should exist" sort of mindset and the abuse of their daughters. Though I think Ragyou goes a lot farther than Lusamine.

[@error-try-again-later]

Lusamine is G-rated Ragyo.

[@SerathDarklands]

@@error-try-again-later Eh, more PG or even PG-13. Let's not forget the constant gaslighting and emotional abuse she inflicted on Lillie.

[@rev6983]

I'm honestly not a big fan of Cynthia, she's difficult yes but "difficult" in vanilla pokemon means pretty much nothing. I never had any particular difficulty beating her and it's annoying to see her come up everywhere

[@anonymousfog501]

8:56 "I simply despise you, Ghetsis. That's enough reason for me!" - Colress, in Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon

[@904funny]

In Pokémon Masters, Zinnia does actually get a Rayquaza

[@metallord6960]

The thing is, Whitney isn't all too challenging once you realize that you can trade a bellsprout for a female machoke in the game.

[@dwaynebrice1697]

Actually, as a kid when Wallace replaced Steven I was excited it was like seeing a friend get stronger beside you.

[@RedTheWeeb]

I still find it insanely baffling people hate lysandre but then people will dckride thanos for the exact same plans and goals.

[@rifino3971]

I like Lysander because in the anime, he's the only one to have successfully kidnapped ask and could have killed him. He just didn't because he wanted to recruit ash.

[@hitkid2456]

Dammit I loved Wally so much. I wasn't aware anyone disliked this pure cinnamon roll.

[@coreytaylor8151]

Honest Question: Am I the only one who was surprised when they realize that Kahili is only in her twenties? Her hair color and beauty mark on her face combined with the in game models made it really unclear. It wasn't till the anime that I realized how young she was.

[@zero9112]

Brock was not replaced for the sexual attraction gags. According to one Anime director he was replaced due to fear that Americans will find his eyes as a racial stereotype.

[@Whos_this_goober]

3:50 the way that i was stretching after he appeared on screen made me realize that I MADE HIS EXACT POSE 😭😭😭

[@viscountsb7140]

Barry is a great character. Love that dudes energy.

[@somescottishlassie891]

Imo leon's design also fits with him being a himbo lol.

[@bidoofbido2250]

ghetsis was the most hardcore evil villian ever

[@rosemaryjones5550]

Flint was cursed by a game with not enough fire types

[@Warhawk9012]

1:13 I heard Brock was replaced in the anime because the animators were afraid his eyes would be misinterpreted as an Asian stereotype (I assume they were just being cautious after the Jynx controversy.) 3:09 it's not a very good image for the Johto league when a *quarter* of their gym leaders are sore losers (the only female gym leader in Johto who's *not* a sore loser is Jasmine.) 7:49 I feel like this controversy could have been *avoided* if they designed Lenora's apron to look more like *work attire* (possibly with tool pockets.) They could have made her look like the archeologist she is (with the implication that she wears aprons to keep dust & dirt off her clothes.)