Trump's New Air Force One Dreams Dashed By Boeing Delays

[@SimpleFlyingNews]

Clarification: The 22nd Amendment limits presidents to two four-year terms, irrespective of whether they are served consecutively or not.

[@smoketinytom]

At the moment... Never know what this lot will try.

[@911HRW]

Amendments can be amended.

[@cui348]

@@911HRW That’s not going to happen because of the requirements of amendment. 2/3 of both chambers of congress must approve the proposed amendment and 3/4 of states must also ratify. This will never happen.

[@mohwybar5832]

Unless trump doesn’t want to leave office

[@robertwk24]

@@SimpleFlyingNews Trump is a law unto himself. Nothing would surprise me.

[@Sophie-and-Ken]

4 year delay? They really screwed the pooch on this one. Any other company should have this done by now.

[@MBrieger]

Given that it wasn't a brand new Plane the next President needs to order new ones once those are delivered. They are already at half their service life.

[@neilpickup237]

I believe that it was due to have been in service before Trump left office, so that makes an 8 year delay as a minimum.

[@Tal-q3r]

four? 🤣

[@UT48D]

Its been delayed before Trump left office last time, Air Force One is not just regular plane it involves lots of military equipment’s modifications, it’s essentially a new aircraft designed based on 747-8. It’s not easy, same way is not easy to put 2 engine on the 4 engine 747, now imagine modifying every part of the aircraft except the look outside… No other companies can do this than Boeing, if other companies can do it then Airbus had done that to other world leaders long ago!

[@dominickkrahnstoever7362]

SCREWED THE POOCH?!?!

[@luisputzeys]

Management has turned Boeing into such a disgrace. It’s too bad, especially for the employees.

[@TheRestrictedgamer]

I'm just glad Boeing is eating the cost of its own mistakes for once instead of passing it onto my great grandson's tax bill

[@jeremydee5424]

Do you what it takes to make a 3 dimensional teeter-totter?? The fact that the planes were already made and now having to redesign everything from the inside out while maintaining the center of gravity and making sure it doesn’t go overweight….its a task nonetheless.

[@adstaton8461]

Don't worry. Trump is going to add PLENTY to your grandson's tax bill. Just like he did in round one!😂😂😂

[@balazsbarancsi2060]

I think Boeing will bankrupt before delivery 😂

[@Xg78]

too big to fail

[@user-yt198]

​ @Xg78 I wouldn't bet on that. If Boeing fails, another American company (e.g. Lockheed) can take over its plants, know how and continue from there. So if Boeing shows no improvement and a bailout is needed, government may not be so willing to rescue them.

[@pietro_valente]

They’re certainly counting on that 😂

[@jantjarks7946]

Can't force passengers onto planes, no matter how big a company is.

[@TuanDungTheAvGeek]

We need Boeing, they couldn't go bankrupt

[@jfmezei]

You omitted 2 important aspects: Trump bragged about lowering the cost by getting Boeing to use two 747s that were already built and ready to be delivered to Russian airline who had cancelled order. This required Boeing Commercial to first unbuild those aircraft down to bare skin before their could be passed to Boeing Military who install all the fancy military gadgets and refueling systems along with installing normal systems. Secondly, Trump moved the finishing contract from Boeing to some friends of his. Problem is that they had no experience and couldn't advance project, got sued, went bankrupt and project was returned to Boeing. Since Boeing has had to issue bonds/shares to raise cash to operate on a day to day basis, it has no money to fund the finishing of this boondogle.

[@FreeDemocracy-2025]

Because they are already built 747-8i's they will not have a in air refueling systems. Question: If they were newly built would they have been finished by now including in air refueling system.?

[@jfmezei]

@@FreeDemocracy-2025 Had the original contract and contractors been kept. am pretty sure they would have been finished because Boeing Military had been more realistic and knew what was needed to process a half built commercial aircraft into a military one. Not sure refueling was ever part of contract due to the very long range/autonomy of the 747-8 compared to the 747-200. (or whether it was removed by trump).

[@Wannes_]

@@FreeDemocracy-2025 That could be retrofitted if they wanted to

[@jadenjames1640]

Underrated comment thanks for telling us the truth

[@Dfk429S9fo3]

They could probably strip an interior down in a week.

[@TruckerMan1979]

Even with all the delays and added technology, it shouldn’t take 10-12 years to build an aircraft.

[@MarioSonicTokusatsuFan3000]

I can imagine the aircraft delivery keep getting delayed until about like the 2100s.

[@힐만94]

just exactly when vc-25a was made based on b742, when b744 was already available on market, and they just simply changed the engines from standard pw jt9d to ge cf6... now imagine when all of airlines were already phased out their b748, then it would be the only flying b748 in the world 😁

[@peppertrout]

Never pay fully in advance for anything, whether it be a grandfather clock or a 747, only agreed payment on delivery after satisfactory performance of the product.

[@odess4sd4d]

Back when America was great we could build airplanes.

[@98hkg63]

What's also terrible about the deal is that it does not have in-flight refueling capabilities

[@tingbase84]

Is it though ? that aircraft in it's configuration will be able to stay airborne for a good 24hours anyway. If by that point they can't find safe place to touch down, there is nowhere to touch down. The US has basses all over the world, staying airborne indefinitely is not a suitable way to govern. The 748 has nearly double the range of a 742

[@98hkg63]

@ I mean what good is the range if you can't prepare for the worse. Also AF1 should be equipped with the latest tech to run the nation. I'm pretty sure in the worse case of bombardment attacks, all bases can be subjected to them

[@jfmezei]

747-200, especially with all the added weight of the military modifications had very lmited range. It couldn't do Los-Angeles Sydney non-stop for instance. This is why there was the 747-100SP. The 747-400 brought range and 2 person cockpit and 747-8 extended the range and fuel efficiency. What I had read was that with the range of the 747-8, there was little need for refueling capability. Not sure if the feature was cut in the initial order or when Trump cancelled initial order and renegotiated new one when he took office.

[@robjustil8722]

Maybe it does, the US Government doesn't reveal everything

[@John-bi1lv]

Not really needed. It's never once been used in the existing Air Force One. It was deemed that was one additional complexity of the program that was not needed.

[@ddc163264]

This is what you get when you let attorneys, accountants and bureaucrats run an aviation company instead of engineers, aviators, and visionaries, like who used to run Boeing and built the company. More than 12 years to build TWO to FOUR aircraft, from a design that was already done! I wasn't able to get on the detail for those VC aircraft, but did service the 747 for the shuttle (SCA) & the E4. It didn't take nearly that time for them to develop those.

[@smoketinytom]

Very shoddy of Boeing. No excuses either. You have have a VC-25A but being built inside a larger plane with technology that has likely since improved and gotten more compact...

[@vzkmqz]

The current Presidential 747s have been in service for 34+ years. I assume they are well maintained. Just read that Airbus did not bid on the replacements as they determined that assembling these airplanes in the US did not make financial sense.

[@AdventuresonTour]

The other reason Airbus didn't bid was because the USAF required the aircraft to have 4 engines. The A340 was already out of production at the time and the A380 has too many airport restrictions the 747 doesn't. So AB didn't have a plane to even bid with.

[@Wannes_]

After the KC-330 debacle in which the worst contender was chosen (another problematic Boeing program, the KC-46), Airbus knew that they wouldn't stand a chance against US protectionism no matter what plane they offered, especially as it'd be the presidential plane

[@thebaze]

The "new" planes will be 15 years old when they enter service, LOL.

[@NikonF5user]

​@@Wannes_ elaborate please - what happened with the KC-330?

[@pjohan74]

KC-330 (actually was going to be named KC-45 but was based on A330) won the contract, Boeing went whining until powerful friends could undo the contract and start a new buy that -surprise- was instead won by Boeing. So even if the lose they will enforce new rounds until they win. No reason for Airbus to play that game.

[@jamesbarner5872]

What an absolute joke! Cost overruns, delays, what has happened to Boeing! The excuses, including the 2020 thing, are rediculous. There's some intentional foot dragging going on!

[@JAMESGREGORYKULP1985]

I think that the new Air Force One Boeing 747-8i airplanes. Will be pushed back until the year 2030

[@TheTitaniumSkull]

Knowing current issues with boeing in multiple areas I am sure the plane will not be ready due to cross the boars financial issues.

[@ethandolny]

If I was Trump, I’d ride Boeing “like one of their planes” this term.. as a taxpayer in the US, I’d support giving Boeing some extra funding to get the project done in 2028; no later. No more delays, no more wasteful spending.

[@charleskunkle7029]

Boeing used to be one of the best aircraft designers/ manufacturers in the world, now they're just pathetic. 😢

[@slamtilt01]

Trump’s successor? By then we may actually be talking about Boeing’s successor.

[@happilyham6769]

There is absolutely no reason for a single aircraft to cost 1 billion dollars. It is an insane amount of money to spend.

[@d.b.cooper1]

It’s not about the plane. It’s the internal features/security measures. Plane itself was only like $300m

[@Thedoomguy66_6]

B-2 costs even more, and guess what? There are more than 20 of them built....

[@d.b.cooper1]

Bold of you to assume trump leaves office 😂

[@YourTransmissionRepair]

The only good thing about Boeing is that they allowed Trump to drive a hard bargain. I bet Airbus could do it for the same price and still deliver on time. Boeing is a legacy company that has lost its way. Look at all the snafus NASA had to deal with when Boeing's ill-fated attempt to deliver a crew to the ISS. Larry in Draper, Utah

[@ucruci]

Military contract in US is riddled with delays and cost overruns. No surprise here. Taxpayers are getting screwed again.

[@tomg6286]

I would not count that the jet will not be ready for President Trump

[@AutieTortie]

Go figure. Most MAGATS can't count at all.

[@maxarre]

Permanently delayed until Boeing gets a delivery of green to cover the additional costs.

[@marv6017]

I am not optimistic it will be flying the US president this decade. 🥺

[@horsthorstmann2925]

Hope so! Dont want to see him on my home kontinent 😂😂 ...better he takes his lies and bad opinions on his country....and iam lack of it to hear it anymore 🤮🤮

[@daniels7907]

Who else were they going to buy them from? Airbus is a European consortium. Decades of industry consolidation pretty much wiped out any U.S. alternatives to Boeing for building an aircraft this large without having to design it from scratch.

[@TheRDMagee]

Should have just gotten an Airbus.

[@scarecrow108productions7]

What part of "USAF can't buy foreign aircraft to become Air Force One" DON'T YOU GET?!?!?!

[@michaelnash2972]

@@scarecrow108productions7 The US Government is able to buy from Airbus and they actually have. Some of the helicopters that the USCG has are made by Airbus. Buy American has exceptions for situations where there aren’t any domestic alternatives.

[@pythons206]

@@scarecrow108productions7 Techniclly airbus produces some aircraft in the u.s but their only plane that met the 4 engine requirement that was in production was the a380 produced in france and they felt it would be to expensive to move production to the u.s

[@FadhylHaleel]

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[@TimilehinIsamotu]

With the look of things , these aircrafts have a very high possibility of being delayed further. Boeing is still facing issues with the 777x program and 737 MAXs. And this same company even have issues with the FAA and other regulatory agencies in the US and you expect them to deliver these aircrafts by 2029. It's almost impossible

[@ByExot]

Boeing does Boeing things

[@august3777]

Yeah, Boeing needs to work on fixing hydraulic issues and making sure bolts on doors on planes are tightened, before they go off and try to deliver a new Air Force One.

[@Rehunauris]

737 Max 7 Business variant would be a good choice but USAF requirment for four engines is hampering whole project.

[@1900intz]

Boeing is a JOKE. Hope there is a penalty clause in the contract. SUE THEM.

[@may86bear]

Another black eye for Boeing. Sad😮

[@J.Cameron.Stuart.Adams.]

A 30 second clip stretched to over three minutes by way of repeating the same information multiple times while speaking slowly. Your figures are off as well.

[@JuanWayTrips]

Just give Trump a 737 MAX to fly on instead 🤣

[@F14foreverF14]

Agreed...a 737-MAX rocking the rogue MCAS system that liked to nose-dive during take-off 🤣🤣

[@Jeremy-eu9em]

I’m pretty sure he will get the new planes.

[@JungleJetAviation06]

How long did did the VC-25A take?

[@Thepriest39]

Pretty sad that the Boeing ceo said that shouldn’t have taken the contract to build a new presidential airplane. How un American

[@johncampbell5880]

Delayed even further given Boeing’s reported problems.

[@weatherlou]

It’s Boeing…failure is becoming their norm

[@PedroConejo1939]

I know a bloke who's got a couple of low-mileage Ilyushins for the right price.

[@robertwk24]

If it's a Boeing, I'll not be going. A lot of the travelling public has no confidence in this company.

[@tingbase84]

The biggest question needs to be, will the E4 be replacement fly before the VC 25B?

[@NzePriddie]

This is a report based on a “article from the wall street Journal “ no statement from Boeing not even a photograph of the article during the video it’s all second hand information fill with a lot of maybes, which is equal to deniability. Is there any statement from Boeing or the military confirming the delays and there reasons if so why not show a copy?. Maybe the aircrafts will be finished during the second term of Trump’s Presidency. It’s interesting that you didn’t mention that maybe Boeing has intentionally push back the delivery dates to focus its resources on the 777X debacle and other issues, simply out of spite for Trump because he was smart enough to save the Tax payers a couple $ billions . Trump derangement syndrome detected right here 3:16. You give that information twice before. It’s like you would be excited if Trump doesn’t get to fly on the new aircraft.

[@ganderson158]

These planes, already with some age and while not flown much, by the time the do get delivered they'll need to be replaced! LOL

[@LatinJck]

Never underestimate the Trump negotiator and the pressure on Boeing!

[@pjohan74]

That what got us into this mess in the first place. If they have built it on a new aircraft it would have been finished earlier to a lower cost. But Trump insisted to use a used aircraft "to save money" which just made project more expensive.

[@Wannes_]

IF Boeing makes it to 2029 that is ...

[@saltyroe3179]

Boeing doesn't want to deliver without more money

[@irtwiaos]

This is music to my ears.

[@oluseyeajose-adeogun2642]

This is a DISGRACE

[@kartik_sinha]

Weren't they supposed to come in trump 1.0?? That means it is atleast an 8 year delay. This is insane. How can someone even accept this? At that point you would be getting a plane that has spent about 1/3rd of uts service life in a hanger and security systems that are atleast a decade behind the world. And the added cost of running these old planes which is also born by the taxpayer.

[@Sketchupdave]

Lets go Airbus

[@dma124]

@Sketchupdave Going with a company based in Europe. Sounds like a Trump voter. It makes NO SENSE and is a RISK to have a EUROPEAN COMPANY build AIR FORCE ONE. WHAT an idiot, just like Trump.

[@Plab1402]

​@@dma124 what, that doesn't make any sense

[@dma124]

@@Plab1402 I know, right? But that is what Sketchupdave is suggesting.

[@imeverywhere9633]

I think in the interim a 787-9 could a potential placeholder until the 747 is completed, and then later it becomes the vice president aircraft

[@probableflaws3597]

It would still need to go through a lengthy retrofitting process which would require starting from scratch in the planning stages. There is no “eh just fly this baby till it’s ready” when it comes to AF1. Current ones will remain in use till these new planes are ready. Whenever that is

[@wambugukingori]

You will still give them to boeing to retrofit and I think they will take the next 10 years also

[@imeverywhere9633]

@@probableflaws3597 I mean its much smaller and less complicated it would be faster to retrofit. They should start now as a replacement for the aging 757 and would probably be still finished before the 747

[@Tal-q3r]

need an airplane? gimme ten yrs 🤣

[@harstoft]

What will be flown first, the 777X or the new AF1?

[@oldfarmshow]

Boeing is making trouble for themselves

[@misawajason]

J.D. Vance 1

[@jayng153]

Absolutely ridiculous

[@45searay]

Come on Boeing…..really

[@avus-kw2f213]

over 10 years to build a plane

[@markdc1145]

These planes are already so old, they'll need to be replaced about the time they're ready.

[@marioavgherino8383]

CANCEL THE CONTRACT AND SUE BOEING FOR THE DELAY!!!

[@Southwest_923WR]

That's a delay I like!

[@danielperrotta1454]

They dont wanna make it happen its on purpose he asked like 7 years ago for that jet and still a 4 yr delay LOL

[@killefitz35]

Using an already 11 year old airframe, originally made for a now bankrupt Russian airline, rebuilding it for 6 years and then have a delay of another 6 years makes those VC25Bs some 23 year old planes when they carry a president for the first time. The old VC25As are just 35 year old. So replacing an old plane with another old plane to spend tax dollars at its best. Better keep the old ones and maintain. Or just get an Airbus with some 3 years waiting.

[@ronaldcuieii8639]

It just depends.

[@jamescurrent2578]

We will be lucky if we ever see them!

[@chrishanke9523]

I honestly don’t think it’s a big deal and don’t have a concern.

[@harrypenn611]

Airbus would of been on time ......

[@willjeffery2661]

Ha, naughty Bowing won’t be getting any government bailouts…😂 Maybe Tupulov should have had a stab at it. Or maybe even Tesla.

[@leehwhiz]

I'm not sure that Trumps replacement will get to fly in them. On top of that we should have used a plane that the Air Force had in use such as the C-17 or the C-5, either of which could/would have looked impressive as the President flies around and have a good number of spare parts in stock along with who knows what military configuration built into them.

[@craigbeatty8565]

Can the current 747s soldier on?

[@adstaton8461]

It's only the most well maintained airplane on the planet.

[@Afc1987]

just buy a a380 still available in storage

[@jimpad5608]

The USAF can't buy foreign aircraft. Plus who would take the contract to refurbish some used A380? No sensible company would touch it for less than 50 billion per plane plus any cost over runs.

[@imSterling]

Sad!! 😂 President Musk's representative in the White House wants to paint AFO in a livery very similar to his own private 757, so any delay on that is good news.

[@NikonF5user]

I love how everyone just assumes Trump is going to leave office in '29 - I guess nobody is taking his proclamations about staying in office indefinitely seriously. I wonder why we accept some of his absurd statements and not others...

[@sxymike12]

Maybe they should give the job to someone else

[@royhi1809]

Contractual obligations not met...CANCEL IT! I'm sure there is another company more responisbile and capable than Boeing... TIME FOR A CHANGE!

[@falconinflight6235]

It's totally and absolutely a waste of taxpayers' money.

[@SaltyBollocks1]

Trump should just cancel the order...

[@sokolum]

And take a Airbus 😂

[@Amtraklove]

Delayed even further

[@chipsrafferty8362]

Boeing,not what it used to be,sad state of affairs for a once great company,went woke,going broke,if it’s Boeing it ain’t going.

[@Rehunauris]

How did Boeing "go woke"?

[@pierrelandry4742]

by the time they commission those jets parts will no longer be available.

[@adriandeb2710]

Should buy an airbus

[@randymichel459]

Should have farmed that work out to somebody else.

[@clayrush1]

They are just trying to make him cancel the order 😅

[@gonzalolarrubia]

In my opinion, Trump’s livery looks far better than the current one

[@MicahtheDrumCorpsPseudoboomer]

I beg to differ, Donald Trump ain't no Raymond Loewy!

[@smoketinytom]

Very much so.

[@jfmezei]

Trump's 2017 livery looks like a vanilla commercial airline livery. The light blue livery of the current one is unique.

[@busfan9874]

Also JD Vance will be the first to get to fly on the new 747-8I VC25B

[@favoriteben67_86]

came to type this… beat me to it.

[@hughofIreland]

Hey Boeing: cancel the contract and write the government a check for what they’ve spent plus interest and penalties. It’s going to work out to be much, much less expensive. Airbus, you’re up.

[@Jamaal-z7x]

I don’t think Trump will stand for that. He’ll light a fire under them

[@FineFreddy5]

The delay of the airplane is not a problem, Trump will just have to serve out a third term.🎉❤

[@nyckhenderson]

Should have bought brand new one

[@makiesembutamuntu4510]

Boeing you really need to check yourself. Go sit at the corner

[@davemckewan4450]

So Trump saved over $2B on the deal. Good job. Boeing should not get a red cent if they don't get them delivered on time...

[@Afc1987]

Boeing don't like trump

[@donaldstanfield8862]

He screwed himself as usual.

[@LawrenceKaneshiro]

So long as TRUMP doesn't get to fly on these new 747s. If this project started in 2015, and the planes are now projected to be delivered in 2029 or later, wouldn't that make the planes over 14 years old and time to replace them? 🤔

[@Diarmuid-l4s]

The 2 “new” VC25B’s were built in Nov 2016. Even paid an additional $298m for construction of a new larger secure hanger at Andrews. They will be half ready to retire before they enter service? One for the DOGE Brothers Elon & VIvek I’m sure.