Truth Enforcers Warbond - helldivers 2

[@B1g_GR33N]

They should 100% stop making armor with only one perk, give it 2 perks bc when a new armor comes out and it only has one perk, the chances of me using it more than maybe once go down to 0

[@GameFuMaster]

and stuff like the flame or gas armor is useful only if you get hit by them. Gas is especially much less likely to hit you since you can't spray yourself with the support weapon, and you generally don't run into gas clouds in the first place.

[@D-S-G.]

I just hate the new "elemental divers" trend that is happening with armors. Every armor is just a resistance to one thing, which half of them aren't even being used by enemy forces.

[@dramat123]

they 100% wont give us 2 100% perks BUT maybe if we spam them MAYBE we get like 1 full perk and about 50% of the other one at least that would be nice

[@theStr4yD0g]

@@B1g_GR33N all the resistance perks should be secondary, slottable, or on helmets.

[@garrymurphy7181]

the flinch armor isn't even that good, all it does is it keeps your aim steady up to a certain point when being shot at by small arms, it doesn't prevent your stims from being interrupted

[@1CopperCooper]

i hate that all the new armors have only 1 passive, especially when said passive is generally niche and not even that useful. prob unpopular, but I don't like cosmetics in warbonds, especially hellpod and pelican skins. fells like easy filler from the devs to avoid another primary or armor. FYI I love this game, but these little issues piss me off.

[@dramat123]

yea its is filler they should just give us one more page in warbonds and feel the existing warbonds with new stuff instead of making new warbonds

[@Misfiring89]

@@1CopperCooper We do not need so many primaries that are similar. We need more cosmetics, more drip. More importantly, we need more stratagems.

[@ivanfelipe240]

@@1CopperCooper I can agree with you his but not the opinion this guy has about weapons

[@DutchGuyMike]

Have you even SEEN the Unflinching perk in action? You do not flinch AT ALL (only visually) and your aim stays ON point 100%.

[@elirosen18]

yeah I really dont give a shit about like drop pod skins. Id rather anything else

[@technoviking2415]

Devs scared of ammo capacity in a horde shooter

[@gasracing5000]

There is an ammo backpack.

[@Reldaz]

If they doubled all mag capacities and amount of spare mags I MIGHT not take the supply backpack every time.

[@basedcringe9000]

​@@gasracing5000Ah yes we NEED to use a backpack slot/stratagem slot because some guns have a stupidly low amount of reserve mags.

[@seanAndru]

Points of interest exist and have ammo, wild that people run out of ammunition often.

[@gasracing5000]

There has to be some balance. More ammo and abilities could make it more fun, but the challenge tanks... it's a fine balance. You get 7 mags IRL, 30 rounds per mag. I think they used this as a base line.

[@AsterSea]

Perks really need to be spread out between armor, head and cape. Lemme pick 3 and wear whatever I want.

[@justinroberts1290]

And then let me color match them.

[@dramat123]

i think ppl should check out this guy that made so many videos about armor passives and spread them on so many armors his ideas was great and AH could at least take most of this stuff from JUST armors cuz he made videos about helmets too "Why we play" he even made videos about balance and it was pretty decent

[@philsc6028]

Yeah why not give atleast helmets a passive

[@LaserTractor]

Because boomer devs think it will break the game. They have no idea why but they think so😮 Because if you have 2 more grenades AND more throwing range it instantly makes you OP!!! I don't think they actually played something else except their beloved DnD

[@Gundolf300]

​@@philsc6028Helmet are meant to have passive but they didn't have enough time to implement before release. Why it haven't been added the last 6-7 months I can't say but if one were to speculate I think fixing the stuff already in the game has been prioritised.

[@big_petebear8535]

My main problem with this game currently is "give me some f*ckin ammo Arrowhead" That and "turn on a fan and some f*ckin lights! I can't f*ckin see!"

[@dramat123]

what do you me turn on a fan and some f lights? you mean like fog and stuff similar to fog? cuz if so i agree but idk why maybe you know but in every game i remember flash light gives only less visibility thats why in this game its always turn of for me at least

[@Misfiring89]

@@dramat123 Fog + Spore is a bloody nightmare. Like, you're functionally blind at that point.

[@dramat123]

@@Misfiring89 yes and chargers at least for me stick to me and its impossible most of the time to dash out of his range i never had problem with dodging chargers and now i have like they are turning way faster and sticking to you way more and ofc chargers in this fog is so deadly and killing them is way harder

[@dztrict1000]

​@@dramat123i think chargers in solo have better tracking so maybe that's your issue

[@dramat123]

@@dztrict1000 it could even be like internet or ping problems cuz im from europe so when i join randoms im 90% in america so i have like 200+ ping or way way more

[@d-jams]

The first thing I thought after my first mission with the new shotgun is we need a hot key for switching between the ammo types the amount times I died because enemies flew to me to hit me sucks and the shotguns flench ammo has absolutely no stagger. Cookout is better still, but that shotgun isn't terrible.

[@aarepelaa1142]

Stagger doesnt matter much when you kill warriors and hunters in 1 shot anyway, and there's stun rounds for just shooting a brood commander, and switching to 2 tap the head.

[@GLVSCOW]

On super helldive, the stun is nice when you are surrounded. The spread can stun more than one target and gives you a way to weave through hordes. Paired with turrets or guard dog, a very good support primary weapon (great for also stopping brood commanders and chargers running at your turret)

[@orphanjohn]

​@@GLVSCOWHalt with the Flamer and a supply pack is God tier on super hd.

[@GLVSCOW]

@@orphanjohn will test out

[@MrPanggs]

New booster does work. It just has visual character flinch but the crosshair doesn’t move at all

[@dramat123]

btw there should be FOV for first person cuz there is option to change FOV buts its for both 3rd and first person and i just want for first person so i can actually aim with first person cuz i just dont use it its complete trash for almost all gun that arent sniper and like rocket launcher/suppoer weapons

[@Agentnewbie]

True. Still hoped that it would allow me to use my stim when bit.

[@MorganSaph]

@@dramat123 the whole point of entering first person is that you're focussing on a smaller area. What's the point in getting a bigger fov? You aren't supposed to be attacking things way off to the left and right of your target. Alternatively, get more distance and you'll see more.

[@crackededge9351]

They need to change that. The visual flinch throws my aim off and makes me think I’m flinching when I’m not. It’s a misleading visual indicator that makes everyone think the new passive doesn’t work

[@dramat123]

@@MorganSaph first person in this game is dogsh*t look on most guns that arent sniper or rockets their fk scope is so dogsh*t like the worst would be verdict or lib pen those two are SO TRASSSSSSHHHH like srsly i dont think i ever saw worst scopes then here aiming for a headshot to a hulk is way way way easier in third person with something like railgun or senator then going in first person and i fk hate third person but here somehow they made first person so bad its not even close

[@dukedynamite3d]

It's actually crazy how accurate you were in this video. I bring up even the slightest negative about the game in their discord and I get a legion of drones coming out the woodwork telling me "oh just do this random thing and now it's totally fine." Meanwhile they're a bunch of timmies playing on d5 in a full squad pretending like its rough

[@LaserTractor]

Discord is almost the only place where devs/community managers are speaking and listening. No wonder it attracted tons of reddit "people" who are always on standby to start yapping about how game is great and you don't understand nothing (they think it gives them extra points and devs will notice their endeavor)

[@Angel-uh7kj]

Read replies of first comment here ppl say yeah ars its good but just dont waste shots skill iisue just use supply pack Like what use statagem to make primary MID like they are brainless

[@MorganSaph]

You get a "legion of drones telling you to do that random thing and now it's fine" because they were all smart enough to figure out how to actually use the item in question. Most of the time, it's intuitive to figure out. Also, he used weapons made for bots against mostly bugs and complained. He used anti light and medium weapons on heavies and complained. The only reasonable complaint he had was about the armour

[@dukedynamite3d]

@@MorganSaph Spoilers: They don't know what the fuck they were talking about. A bunch of timmies playing in a full squad on 6 thinking it's tough don't know how to play the game lmao.

[@Mr_Big_Head]

Chargers always spin when stunned, needs to be fixed but you can run behind him and shoot the butt again and he will stayed stunned allowing you to quickly kill it with a support. It’s made AMR even better on bugs now

[@Chadmire]

I will die on the hill that the halt isn't bad, and its really good against bugs (not bots). I will point out its issues though. -Low capacity with its normal shots isn't the biggest deal, as its reload is insanely fast, but can fall short in some encounters during large amounts of chaff -The stun rounds are only light penetrating, which makes them useless against heavies, and not useful against chaff, because why not just use the regular shots? They are good against stalkers though. I think a simple fix to this is to just make the stun rounds aoe like actual stun nades, and just make them go through armor. -lack of stagger in normal rounds. This isn't the biggest drawback, but I dont see It couldnt've had regular shotgun stagger. With the halts issues, I still believe its benefits are good enough to combat these draw backs. The halt's medium penetration and high damage makes it SUPER effective against the most annoying of bugs. The Halt consistently 2 shots alpha commanders, hive guards, One shots warriors, can 2-3 shots bile spewers, and can 1-2 shot nursing spewers. An issue I also can see people having is that it doesn't consistently kill hunters in 1 shot sometimes, as it seems hunters heavily rely on headshot damage, but aren't as affected with limb damage, which i think is just an issue with them in general. The argument with the cookout seems to always be brought up though, which is 100% valid. The cookout can shred hordes of hunters and has stagger. So why use the halt? Well, I totally agree that the cookout outperforms the halt in every way against small chaff specifically, but no one seems to talk about the fact that it absolutely just falls off when it comes to alpha commanders, hive guards and bile spewers, which are the most annoying enemies in the game, and can come in literal hoards. The Cookout simply can't keep up with these enemies. Playing with the halt has made my bug experience 1,000 times better because I now have a consistent way of dealing with these annoying ass spongy medium enemies that usually make bugs insufferable in a primary. And remember, the halt is not TERRIBLE at killing the small chaff. Yes, the halt has a low ammo, but it still 1 shots warriors and hunters as long as your aim is somewhat above average lol. I just want to make it clear, im no glazer lmao, but Im also not gonna sit here and say its trash, I just don't see how someone can call it that whatsoever. I still think its stun rounds need a massive rework or fix, and maybe some more rounds in the chamber, but other than that, it's a SOLID primary to bring against bugs, and is now my go to. (SMG blows ass though).

[@rosco1409]

Someone suggested a hotkey for switching fireing modes, that would help the Halt immensely

[@ylyxa]

> annoying ass spongy medium enemies that usually make bugs insufferable I love the SMG for the exact same reason. Absolutely bullies every medium bug in the game, which incidentally is what the primary needs in my loadouts. Funny enough I didn't really vibe with Halt, not sure why but it just doesn't feel good to use for me. Also a lil tip for Halt: rebind the weapon menu to a single key (I set it to C for now). That way you'll be able to bring it up instantly, and it'll considerably speed up ammo switching.

[@PRC533]

I don't think it's trash either and Dough even says that it's pretty much mid in the video. The issue is that there is very little reason to bring it above other shotguns. I personally have never had an issue with Alpha commanders using the cookout. Sure it might take a couple more rounds, but the stagger means they aren't charging you during that time. Also it seems like the halt has a pretty significant spread on it's flechette rounds. I have noticed that taking shots beyond short range on stuff tends to result in much less damage than expected. This is particularly noticeable on the hunters. I feel like if I engage a hunter beyond 20 yards, I've got maybe a 50/50 chance of killing it with the halt. The stun rounds are neat, but why stun something when you could just kill it. If I want stun, I run an arc weapon because then I'm doing both. Otherwise, you're just using two shots to do what one should be doing.

[@Misfiring89]

@@PRC533 You want stun when facing alpha commanders in bulk because they always charge you, and stalkers because they suck. This is mostly relevant when running in pairs because the other player will have a much easier time killing things for you.

[@ZephyBlaze77]

Unflinching sucks. It's extremely narrow in utility, and should include resisting stagger and ragdolling.

[@HighDiver5555]

Yeah, ragdolling should be affected with the new Armors too. Maybe a reduction in Impact Damage for Heavy Armor too?

[@gabrielsantana7486]

But the perk Works...

[@diogorocha9837]

The perks works fine and it is my favorite perk right now. BTW we don't even need perks to play HD2. I was using extra padding armors for a long time. Unflinching and Peak Phisique are totally worth it.

[@BackwardsPancake]

@@diogorocha9837 Yeah well anything is gonna feel like an upgrade when compared to padding. That perk is basically placebo, with how the game plays out in practice.

[@isaiahfolley7866]

It is affected you neanderthal, all you have to do is watch a comparison video that shows the differences in the armor passives

[@redrum_bd1036]

In my own critical feedback: this warbond is good for the bots, ok for the bugs, and overall a good choice. The shotgun feels nice on bots, the plasma pistol feels decent, and the booster is awesome as hell. However, the SMG (thank you for realizing it) is just a faster drop-off and worst accuracy adjudicator. The primary problem that I personally have with this warbond, is that the SMG is not one-handed, it ruins the consistency of the weapon categories and just makes it useless. The best way I see this warbond being a bit better, is to just make the SMG one-handed, allowing us to give the SMG a purpose , as well as the ballistic shield.

[@Gobknoblin]

I agree, it should definitely be a one-hand weapon for consistency, but I think the reload time could also be shorter by 1-1.5 seconds. It would make the low magazine size feel a bit more justified. Plus, slap reloads are suppose to be swift and it feels so slow for something that's suppose to be dope

[@nooby9929]

I agree, one handed to make it an smg, heavier recoil when its one handed but less when using both hands but thats just me, Halt is a fun mini game but a good qol is let it have a keybind for its new ammo(along with the ac and rr and any new programmable ammo). I like the idea of a gun and run smg as its cons allow me to critically think

[@lordgaledron6969]

Nah adjucator has a lot less dmg the new smg isnt terrible and the 2 handed use is no bummer for me my only issue is the huge random bullet spread.

[@Singularitytw]

For me personally i found it fun to use with the mg-43 and i actually thought it was better than the adjudicator since it kills so fast and didn’t really have that much recoil if you use scope in.its good with bugs if you just tap fire but i do think they should atleast add more ammunition or maybe more clips.

[@lordgaledron6969]

@@redrum_bd1036 new shotgun is straight up trash tho even against bots.

[@9unslin9er]

I bought this Warbond for the drip. Used the weapons for 2 games. Went back to my favorites.

[@MrFurey1]

Skill issue, these new guns are very good.

[@KulZaze]

There is a cape drip available in the premium store separate from the warbond

[@9unslin9er]

@KulZaze Oh I'm aware. My Kylo Ren suit had been missing a matching cape/card since March.

[@9unslin9er]

@@MrFurey1 I guarantee you I'm better at this game than you. And no they're not.

[@KulZaze]

@9unslin9er I didn't even bother responding to this guy. I can't believe how bad the new shotgun is, but I enjoy the new drip. Wish we could swap around cosmetics and perks in the game. A lot of medium armors have really good cosmetics, but I don't use them.

[@trixus4768]

I never wear an armor with only 1 passive. Always using the Guerilla Gorilla with extra granades and recoil dampening... I think that the armors that give you resistance to electric dmg are the absolute worse...

[@dramat123]

i think ppl should check out this guy that made so many videos about armor passives and spread them on so many armors his ideas was great and AH could at least take most of this stuff from JUST armors cuz he made videos about helmets too "Why we play" he even made videos about balance and it was pretty decent

[@Crimnox_Cinder]

Which is a damn shame, cause the Prototype armours are my absolute favourite in terms of design, if we could have transmog id never take off the light grenade/peak physick armour, but id visually be wearing the medium prototype armour cause it matches my love of Hi-tech aesthetics.

[@BackwardsPancake]

Yeah, there are a lot of bad perks, but the resistance ones are probably the worst. Basically all they do is help you survive your own mistakes very slightly better, under very specific conditions. When you could just learn to not make those mistakes instead. It sucks that some of the coolest looking armors are stuck with dead perks.

[@trixus4768]

@@BackwardsPancake agree. Altho I would argue that the 95% resistance to Arc dmg is ACTUALLY the worst one of them. The only 2 sources of Arc dmg currently in the game is the Arc Thrower and the Tesla tower. That's it... There are no enemies in the game dealing Arc dmg... And people don't really bring the Arc thrower or Tesla tower into missions that often. It doesn't make any sence😂😂😂

[@dramat123]

@@BackwardsPancake thats why go check this guy out he had great ideas: Why We Play

[@LocoRoco2009]

I dunno what people are smoking but the Halt is by far one of the best shotguns ever, the flexibility it offers is amazing, and offers possibly one of the best (and coolest) skill expressions in popping a stun shot, switching to flechettes or the senator, or even a support weapon and boom. You got a two-in-one shottie that lets you take more wild and unordinary weaponry in your loadout. It’s literally the shotgun version of the thermite grenade in the sense of how it lets you be more flexible with your loadout rather than always taking the same shit all the time.

[@LaserTractor]

With no keybind to switch ammo type quickly Nah I should do rebind just for this one gun, right?

[@LocoRoco2009]

@ nah just change the weapon menu from holding R to pressing it, easy

[@LaserTractor]

@ and see this screen popping up every time I reload? Great solution

[@LocoRoco2009]

@ the screen will stay popped up only when you hold r. If anything it’ll briefly flash for like a nanosecond

[@LaserTractor]

@ don't like that. Still want to think of some other solution on controller

[@СтасКонончик]

smg that handles worse than HMG, that is probably something that only arrowhead can do. really like how it sounds and looks tho

[@OhDough]

it also has bloom, shots miss at 15 meters

[@СтасКонончик]

@OhDough dunno what the bloom is, but if it somehow affects the accuracy then yeah, I agree, weapon accuracy is horrendous it's not even funny considering how a absurd recoil is

[@connertomaterhater6691]

Have a primary perk and then chose a secondary perk for your armor that would be cool.

[@dramat123]

i think ppl should check out this guy that made so many videos about armor passives and spread them on so many armors his ideas was great and AH could at least take most of this stuff from JUST armors cuz he made videos about helmets too "Why we play" he even made videos about balance and it was pretty decent

[@vHollywoodZay-]

They should let you pick your own perk for whatever armor you want

[@ragnoxis05]

Armor sets should have 2 passives by now.

[@dramat123]

i think ppl should check out this guy that made so many videos about armor passives and spread them on so many armors his ideas was great and AH could at least take most of this stuff from JUST armors cuz he made videos about helmets too "Why we play" he even made videos about balance and it was pretty decent

[@thebluehat6814]

difficulty 3 is made for people just like you

[@dramat123]

@@thebluehat6814 yea you dont know what is fun

[@meowlycat09]

Dear god, almost every ballistic weapon is god awful. I love having to be precise with 45 bullets and being able to kill a max of 5 enemies. I use to be annoyed by the negativity until I slowly realized just how true it is. The video after the first buff wave to assault weapons and you said they still sucked, converted me. I want to use an assault rifle so bad.

[@GameFuMaster]

being able to use an assault rifle above diff 5 would be great.

[@fire_drake12.arc.24]

@@GameFuMaster the same assault rifle you use that sucks at difficulty 10 still sucks at difficulty 5 and below, the enemies dont change, just what you see. It feels like shit against everything just because you're facing less of those things doesnt make it less shit. If you're having to reduce enemy count to single digits just to be able to call the weapon "usable" its not usable.

[@imsweetthanks7677]

use an mg and cope harder

[@GameFuMaster]

@@fire_drake12.arc.24 well, it's precisely because there are less enemies it feels better to use. The liberator felt great on release, because we were fighting enemies on early difficulties. It wasn't until later diffs, did everyone go Breaker (and then they nerfed it)

[@gabrielsantana7486]

ARS on bugs doesnt feel bad the new smg peforms decent there but agaisnt the bots the Ballistic weapons feel really bad

[@sekkuar]

Unflinching is useless. It REDUCES the flinch, but you flinch anyway and miss your shots anyway so what's the point? If made you completely immune to flinch it would still not be worth it but would be at least useful.

[@MorganSaph]

Unflinching makes it so your crosshair doesn't move, even if your character does show a flinch animation. It does make you immune to flinching (except when stimming)

[@sekkuar]

@MorganSaph yes it does move. I tested. You get hit by a shot, your aim move, the heavy automaton shreds you.

[@Ameryn_Wors]

The drip though.

[@MorganSaph]

@@sekkuar Great, try using the booster. Cause I've seen tests by other people. One such test used the laser cannon, and the beam did not move even though the flinch animation played.

[@JesterActual]

Unflinching should have improved handling like the peak physique passive. On top of reduced flinch.

[@Deadonarrival6709-filler]

All I want is simply a heavy armor, tweaking the armor passive to also help you run through EMS to make it more viable for controlling, make the pistol more automatic with extra rounds. The shotgun can have a bit more power in contrast to the normal punisher. Finally for the SMG, maybe give it 5 or 10 more rounds, and extra mag or 2, and give it an actual scope to promote marksmanship.

[@Virsteinn]

That SMG is like twice the size of the biggest AR in the game. The fuck are they smoking, and where can I get some?

[@dimitristsoukalas8148]

The SMG definitely needs buffs, least 30 rounds per clip some recoil reduction and maybe the reload time going down a bit, but the Halt I love it.

[@LaserTractor]

What triggers me is not this particular SMG but balance overall: Pilestedt is strange. He says he enjoys Assault Rifles yet keeps them as low as possible. He can give you almost perfect Scorcher as an automatic weapon (good damage, recoil that you barely feel, small staggering aoe on impact) and then say "YAHP, this new smg that behaves terrible is dope! Release it like that"

[@black_ghost1215]

I guess he just a gamer in name alone, basic testing with out the overly cringy reeee child that does nothing but video game would say "hey maybe lower some things this doesn't feel great, and while you're at it up the ammo some it a SMG and 25 rounds like blowing your nose"

[@LaserTractor]

@ he would not listen (very respectfully not listen tho)

[@coqzilla3811]

Armor sets should come without a perk by default imo. They should be kinda like boosters, except only personal effect. There are sets i would gladly use, because i like their drip, but the Perk makes them just bad. Also i think we should be able to use two at the same time (you could unlock perk slot 2 as a ship module).

[@kentclark870]

by the throne- THE DRIP

[@memelord8611]

helldivers players when their toy gun doesn't 2-shot every awakened elden ring boss:

[@Sombriage]

If I had Heavy Armor with high resistance to knockdown and ragdolling I'd use that against bots all the time lol.

[@J-Rush]

My unfortunately controversial opinion is that all primaries should be good at chaff clear. Medium pen weapons being slightly less so since they get the ability to take down medium targets. None of them are that great at killing medium enemies anyway so they should still be good for chaff, but god forbid they release a truly exceptional weapon in a new warbond

[@stinky-toe15676]

SMG needs more ammo and less recoil, shotgun needs the stun to work properly, and the armor needs to give total stagger and flinch resistance as well as allowing you to recover from ragdoll faster maybe? hopefully if we complain enough arrowhead will do these things. it pisses me off though that they continue to add lackluster underpowered weapons even though we made it very clear we want stuff to be good? i think arrowhead is convinced that poorly balanced weapons = safe, and overpowered weapons is bad?

[@MorganSaph]

SMG has 225 rounds. why does it need more when you'll die or resupply before getting through them?

[@RegularJard]

I like the Halt Shotgun, always wanted a medium armour pen shottie that wasn't the Slugger. If a Heavy Devastator is bearing down on you it's nice to switch to stun rounds to keep him still, then switch back and pick your headshot comfortably. Haven't used it against the Bugs yet but it'll probably be great for Stalkers as well. You could also keep a Charger stun locked for a team mate to slap the wiggly bit, since it unfortunately doesn't stun long enough to do it yourself. Mag size and recoil on the SMG isn't great but it looks sick, medium armour pen is always nice and burst fire helps to a certain extent. Maybe the extra recoil reduction when crouching perk helps?Haven't unlocked the Plasma Pistol yet.

[@hyperduplafly2941]

the weapons are not bad they're just a little more than viable, yay i guess.

[@nandoman4769]

The reprimand would be excellent if they just gave us some more god damn ammo. What is Arrowheads deal with making weapons your paying real money for suck?

[@tezkyflex7304]

You dont have to pay money. Also it has 225 bullets. It three shots commanders. Its like an mg in your primary slot stop whining holy shit :D

[@berserkerpride]

The heavy smg SHOULD be a good bot weapon, but they were so terrified that it would be good that they gave it aim like a shotgun. And that's not even talking about the heavy dropoff.

[@black_ghost1215]

they are tariffed of making another incendiary breaker, so everything just gonna be meh and we all know it could be way better.

[@KerriganTyranid]

Use the FPV and it is great

[@KulZaze]

​@black_ghost1215 that just hurts their pockets. I liked this game so much at the start i had made an active decision to pay for every 3rd or so prem warbond with real money to support AH. But they have lost my trust by constantly nerfing prem warbond weapons after they release. Cookout, blitzer, crossbow & flamethowe are the only weapons that are better compared to their launch

[@dztrict1000]

​@@KulZazeCome on, you do realize that there's more weapons out there other than the main meta picks? Pretty much every AR has been buffed since launch and they all have a use in high diff, all the shotguns feel good to use (not the Slugger). Hell even most support weapons are in a good place now. The only weapons that i feel to be underwhelming are the Lib Carbine and the Slugger

[@KulZaze]

@dztrict1000 and they all still suck. The buffs are mostly on paper, it doesn't improve any of those weapons

[@sidhintzsche6773]

In the whole arsenal of all weapons I cant even find one I would say its Very good. There are "dont ever touch" weapons, weapons you cant play on highest difficulties and a few weapons I could consider "ok, but:..." Its like every weapon hast its but. Blitzer cool but range. Crossbow cool but always the danger of killing yourself. New shotgun: Cool, but Bile Spewers... New SMG: Nice damage... if you are lucky enough to hit. Even on single fire that thing has a spread on the first shot... New shotgun would be cool if the stunrounds would actually deal damage. If you could change between aoe and Medium Pen with low spread it might get my favourite weapon BUT: Stupid stunrounds deal close to zero damage!

[@Edloss]

One thing about the flinch is that most of the time we are getting flinched by lasers. My B+ in quantum mechanics has taught me that light, while having momentum and kinetic energy when you’re talking in the scales of electrons, does not have what it takes to be felt, not to mention knocking a whole person off balance and cancel a life saving stim lol

[@tezkyflex7304]

im pretty sure if you were hit by a huge ass laser, you would fuckin die. So thats the realism around that.

[@MorganSaph]

isn't amazing how school grades mean jack shit in the real world? Considering the lasers aren't travelling at lightspeed, I would assume they aren't normal lights. Considering how it clearly has a large amount of mass and moves relatively slowly, flinching from getting hit makes perfect sense.

[@frostfoxy7779]

Most "lasers" in scifi are actually plasma bolts

[@MrHocotateFreight]

That bloodhound armor CLEARLY needs the "improved accuracy when crouching/prone" perk added in, to compliment the flinching. Its like making a pb&j and forgetting the j

[@davidballantyne4492]

Halt would feel more fun at least if we had an ammo switching hotkey instead of the clunky menu.

[@solounit_uz]

The armors felt like absolute paper. Even small bugs inflicting significant damage. On top of that, flinching was not a majour problem for the community at all.

[@zanercorey7550]

Literally the light armor feels like medium medium armor and the medium armor feels like light in this pack glad it wasn't just me that noticed this

[@Daethbane]

Man I live for the weird clips you get. The shell went all the way past Narnegha 😂

[@RudeViking]

I actually really like the new smg against bots if you're wearing blast resistant/ recoil reduction armor.

[@basedcringe9000]

1x scope and the damage falloff completely ruin it, not to mention the terrible reload even if you tac reload it.

[@Midnight_Shenanigans]

@@basedcringe9000reload time is 3 seconds for a full reload. Only downside is the ammo

[@dot0l]

@@Midnight_Shenanigans 3 seconds is horrible for a 25-round smg

[@miemsliva4464]

​@@basedcringe9000 a 1x scope and damage falloff isn't that surprising on a gun that is made for close quarters. It doesn't change that it 1 taps devastator heads though, and 3 taps Heavy dev arms, and 5 shots the legs, 7 to the torso.

[@nooby9929]

@@miemsliva4464this right here

[@metalslug3dx]

They need to buff the secondary Shotgun

[@rektgaming8392]

Anemic, California compliant mags

[@nickhalewijn5668]

I love how I watched 3 KZbinrs (Takibo, Swany, Dough) and all 3 say something mostly different, except they all agree the armors look sick

[@andrewdickerson5146]

Came to your page because I knew that you would be honest. I think the shotgun is absolutely awful against the automatons, it should not take five shots to the chest to kill a devastator. I think the SMG is solid though but isn’t better than a mid range weapon that can do the same thing imo.

[@aarepelaa1142]

Because its well, a shotgun the spread makes it so shooting around the head makes them required shots alot less.

[@tezkyflex7304]

who would have thought that a shotgun is bad against enemies killed via weakpoints :OO

[@andrewdickerson5146]

@@aarepelaa1142 I’m level 115. I know what shotguns are supposed to do and I can tell you which shotguns are much better than the new one.

[@Excallius243]

@@andrewdickerson5146 If you think any shotgun besides the cookout is at the same level or above against bots as the Halt, then you're just being intentionally disingenuous. But we can go through the list so I can hear your idiotic justifications; Slugger is the only other medium pen shotgun but doesn't have enough damage to be close(hence why most of the community has been calling for it to be buffed for months and months), the punisher and all 3 breakers are all light pen AND lower damage per shot than the halt(except for the punisher), and the incendiary breaker AGAINST BOTS is just worse than the cookout.

[@mr2incher583]

Chest is most armored spot too shoot, 2 shots stomach and one shots head

[@Reinbark]

Tuned into your stream yesterday and listened to some other dude complain about the guns for a half hour so I finally decided to log in and buy the war bond. The SMG is one of the best feeling guns in the game. It could definitely use a little more ammo or maybe a faster reload speed to compensate but i had 0 issues with the recoil. The shotgun against bugs felt nuts stunning everything and killing off with a support weapon or gas. The damage rounds could do with maybe a little more damage but headshots guaranteed most kills is ok for me. I play diff 10 only and no i did not bring orbitals or the same load out every time. Had no issues diversifying with the new guns and had fun every time. I think wanting buffs is good and deserved but your delivery is so negative it's hard to watch when every other content creator is bringing up positives and hopeful for change

[@Snotnarok]

I don't mind compensating for a weapon's faults with armor, it's like Monster Hunter where you gotta fight some mechanics with perks. What I don't like is the armor perks that are so worthless like fire/poison res where that does absolutely nothing to actually help. You get hurt still so you're still forced to heal or you'll get 1 shot by something that farts near you. Even 95% HP isn't automatically safe.

[@dramat123]

i think ppl should check out this guy that made so many videos about armor passives and spread them on so many armors his ideas was great and AH could at least take most of this stuff from JUST armors cuz he made videos about helmets too "Why we play" he even made videos about balance and it was pretty decent

[@B1g_GR33N]

I saw so many people saying the smg is amazing and i can't see what part of it other than the damage (which is nice but not amazing) is "amazing"

[@DARKCOP2011]

Same man idk why almost every weapon on the game has to be super boooooring, I use it both shotgun and smg today and just next game im back to my usual crossbow + senator. Every single weapon is the same, if it has armor pen then have low ammo, if it have a lot of ammo then doesn't hit hard, this super boring "balance" on almost every weapon.

[@B1g_GR33N]

@@DARKCOP2011 i kinda like the shotgun, i didn't play a lot with it but the stun rounds are nice, too bad they had to make it only 60 ammo total and the damage is too low for a shotgun for it to be usefull for single target or chaff

[@advakart4208]

i really like the smg on bots but dominator/scorcher/purifier/crossbow are all better, it's about the same as dcs

[@Midnight_Shenanigans]

Rifle is pretty good. 3 taps shield devastators in the stomach. 1 tap to the head. 1 taps and chaff enemy. Needs more ammo other then that it’s fine if not really good

[@aarepelaa1142]

​​@@B1g_GR33Nit one shots all chaff what are you on about? Oh you're only using stun, they're in 2 separate magazines you're supposed to alternate between stun and dmg.

[@ilovedemocracyy]

Magazine sizes should be generally increased and not limiting total ammo.

[@GokuBlackThatIsBlack]

W shotgun, Dogshit SMG, W armor if it had another passive, i think the new booster is hot ass against bots but good for bugs, cosmetics are cool, pistol seems cool but im still gonna use senator because the shotgun damage against striders is lowkey ass if they aren't point blank, i like the shotgun and cosmetics and thats about it from this warbond. 4/10

[@thelegendaryklobb2879]

The shotgun needs an option to load all 16 shells of the same type. I'm okay if that requires to spend a minute unloading and reloading when you switch the loadout from half and half.

[@mawnkey]

Perks need to be untethered from armor and always allow you to select two of them.

[@WitD2013]

For the record, Bow in MHWilds is amazing. It even gets an adept like dodge from MHGU, and dragon piercer is so good that Alexus has applied to join just so he can nerf it.

[@kompott_addict]

1:57 i cant😂 The shell just said "peace o7"

[@SolarWinner2000]

When I logged in and checked out the warbond as well as buying the new armor set in the store, the second mission I played I would constantly be bleeding out even though I never got shot or poked by the prickly plants though. Was weird.

[@4aw50fGold]

That’s the ‘Dead Sprint’ Booster, if you joined a team and somebody brought that, it use’s your health as Stamina when your energy depletes. Unless you had the drain solo then I’m not sure. I’ve had that problem too, specifically on Demuirg.

[@SmokeSAS]

I like the weapons, I think the only grievance I have is to make the SMG 1 handed, otherwise it's just an AR to me, not an SMG. I'd also like if we could have layered armor, where we can equip a set strictly for looks but it uses the stats of another set. You'd have to own both sets obv.

[@aarepelaa1142]

They're afraid of ballistic shield users having medium armor pen, idk theh forgot crossbow.

[@SmokeSAS]

@aarepelaa1142 I don't understand why if that's the case, shield is not very powerful at all, and the recoil alone forces single to burst fire for medium ranges, compared to the crossbow the new SMG is not too powerful

[@mute159]

it's insane how glazedivers attack anyone that has opinions about the game

[@Rocket_Devastator]

I find it funny how anybody who is enjoying the new warbond weapons and armor are just considered “glazedivers” instead of people who just enjoy the game. Seriously why is it everybody feels a need to insult somebody’s opinions because they like something?

[@OhDough]

They don't like common sense.

[@OhDough]

That's not a glazediver. Enjoying the game has never made anyone a glazer or glazediver.

[@nerochromatic]

Exactly. All I did was make a point/suggestion on how weapons with light AP could be more effective by allowing them to damage and break medium armor on enemies to expose them, and one of the first responses I get is "Bro Just use a medium AP as your secondary." I'm just trying to give ideas on how to make the weapons i want to use less obsolete, but people just see it as a skill issue for not putting up with weapons for how they are currently.

[@black_ghost1215]

@@nerochromatic that a good idea and would make every gun viable as well useful, but the way the game stands we have 3 weapon types. stratagem, support and primaries there always gonna be someone saying "just use a support weapon' or "just use your stratagems" it not a tall order to have more than 4 guns be useful in their own way (purifier, jar-5, scorcher, and inc breaker)

[@Zacjd]

the pummeler used to do what the new shotgun does better than the new shotgun.

[@SekiberiusWelkesh]

The weapons are the best part, idk what you mean that they are bad. The SMG can one shot bots all the way up to devastators.

[@zotaninoron3548]

I'm not sure I'd run the halt often. But in playing around with it, it was quite amusing to get behind a charger use the stunning rounds then drop hellpod like EATs on it as it sat there. Killed like 5 chargers in a row that way. Just got to hit it a couple times to keep it still for long enough.

[@CharliMorganMusic]

The three second reload on the reprimand is entirely too long.

[@michanus1092]

Recoil on the new smg is shit.The shotgun is garbage too.But the cosmetics are good.

[@iopohable]

arrowhead is so terrible it's hilarious.

[@wayneswirl]

Include Transmog or selectable passives and armours will be fixed.

[@tyler-101-16]

I personally disagree that the primary weapons in this war bond are bad or in general, I think they’re very creative, and they do good damage, for the extra amount and damage seeing that it’s an SMG. I think the extra recoil and decrease magazine size is fair. in general, I think all the primary weapons in the game are in a good place, and the ammo capacity and damage is fair and balanced, it seems same people want the primary weapons to be just as good as the support weapons, and the strategies, which I think wouldn’t be terrible, but would make the game kind of unbalanced and way too easy, and wouldn’t make it hell divers, if you wanna take out the heavy enemies in the game, use a support weapon or a strategy that’s what they’re for the primary weapons are only for taking out the small and light maybe medium enemies in general, and should be very inefficient or hard to take out heavy enemies with it.

[@InfinityArc]

devs definitely need to start thinking on the rebalancing on armors with only 1 passive

[@RealGlorp]

Why buy good cosmetics if the use case doesn’t exist?

[@SyvangPheauboonma]

35-40 rounds for smg be great in my opinion. Since we get a horde of bugs or bots. More ammo equal more survivability.

[@Schproemftell]

I don't know ...the last time checked the weapons are pretty decent , but what am i saying hell would freeze over before certain "content" vultures are "happy with what they get

[@nerochromatic]

Okay i've really gotta say it now: The mediun armor for enemies like hive guards or striders needs a durability feature instead of just making all light AP rounds bounce and ricochet off. Because IMO aside from ammo and damage, that's one of the smaller reasons why AR's and other weapons are so damn obsolete on higher difficulties. I get one of the ideas is to *Flank* and shoot the weak spot, but that won't always fly when there's 5 or 6 hive guards coming towards you. I'm fine with Chargers and Titans deflecting them since their armor is naturally thicker, Just make it so lighter rounds can actually Crack and break armor of smaller enemies and expose them instead of making them ricochet everything and force us to aim awkwardly.

[@aarepelaa1142]

They're slow you can also just kinda ignore it.

[@tezkyflex7304]

If you have a light pen primary, you should have a >med pen secondary. Wtf is your problem :D

[@jalontf2]

You could probably build a decent stun support loadout with Halt just staying on stun mode, but not sure anyone got time for that. Reprimand is super fun though and probably my new go-to.

[@Misfiring89]

I did good with stun Halt + Guard Dog mowing things down.

[@jalontf2]

Ooh that sounds fun. Like a reverse of Dog Breath + primary damage, but actually functional

[@HexxuSz]

people hate the truth but crossbow and purifier are way ahead of the field

[@smz257]

I'm not deep-diving into this stuff, but I've seen others say that for some enemies you may need to stack the stun rounds for it to work fully. I unno, I don't believe I saw you do that on the chargers, so maybe that might be the case?

[@JROTCBALL]

I wish the special armors that just have the one perk would allow you to choose a second perk, would be a great customization option n add some extra value to the warbonds

[@manyIsOne]

The guns make no sense. Most of the time they mess up the weapons. It's weird to me how futuristic we are but items to kill are extremely limiting

[@kodoku7599]

I was arguing with someone in the armory channel in the hd2 discord about how the smg is kinda bad because it isn't one-handed, which would have made more people want to use it because of the ballistic shield. Bro hit me with the "well the animation would be bad so I'm glad they did this" I'm like bro, who cares if the gun's animations look bad if I CAN FREAKING USE IT WITH A SHIELD, or carry stuff and still be able to use it, the whole point of smgs?

[@sadgallington7850]

I love this full on blast no "doughs" given Dough hahaha. Keep it up, your videos are very refreshing!

[@spartan078ben]

I came up with a build I call 2,3,4 Primary: Liberator concussive (light armor pen, high ammo cap) Secondary: Grenade pistol Strats 1. Cluster(bugs)/airstrike(bots) 2. Guard Dog (Lib Pen, Medium armor pen) *Could use more range 3. Quasar cannon (Heavy armor pen) 4. Custom (Recommend turret, orbital, or another eagle strike, maybe 500kg.

[@byne2347]

Funny we're releasing a primary full auto optional primary with 25 rounds per reload at this point

[@ballmuncher621]

The smg became my new primary, but i only play bots where it seems to excell at after watching your video. The warbond does seem to be more orientated towards bots, which is great after the last few warbonds being better against bugs. I do think the weapons feel overly balanced, especially the smg, but nothing in the warbond feels terrible except maybe the charge up time on the secondary plasma pistol. Theres definitely room for improvement, but overall i was really happy with the warbond

[@Clogmonger]

One of the only content creators that doesn't just glaze hard for arrowhead! 👍

[@devindoge5510]

Preach that armor issue issue. I am so sick of armor passives to fix HUGE issues like they can stay but they shouldnt be NEEDED for things to be good, next thing you know ANTI RAGDOLL ARMOR like come on.

[@circleofsorrow4583]

Hey OhDough, are you going to be checking out Monster Hunter World Wilds? The beta is about to unlock.

[@Okil_Atlas]

I actually love the shotgun on helldive. The stun rounds are great for setting your team up for safe kills or to combo with other strategems. I've been running a rover with the stun rounds or a flamer with stun rounds. While the enemies are stunned your rover can kill them or since they're stunned for a good 2 secs you can switch to your support weapon and gun down most enemies. The shotgun is great! The smg is mid but fun.

[@MorganSaph]

So my question is, why are you complaining when using them wrong? They're great weapons, but not meant for heavy enemies. Every time you struggled to kill in this video, it was a heavy enemy. Meanwhile, when the warbond trailer came out, it was only used on light to medium enemies. Which you didn't struggle to kill at all. Have you not noticed that AH displays the intended use of their weapons and strategems in their display videos? Including their intended targets. Which is why we know this warbond is meant for bots more than bugs. Stuns pretty much stop bots while only severely slowing bugs. The halt and plas both have stun. And explosives have always been way better against bots. another for the halt. Most bots have medium armour too, so the SMG is pretty reliable. But it's also good for bugs, as they are mostly light armour. There's just a lot of them. Also, you complained about 25 rounds for the SMG, but it has 9 mags. that 225 rounds. That's a lot. I also noticed that you only displayed 2 games against the bots, and in one, you are pretty clearly seeing the stun and good damage from the pistol. Ultimately, I think your complaints are more because you are used to fighting against bugs more than bots, than because of genuine flaws. Because, as a bot main, I can confidently say, these are great weapons against them. Not the best, sure, that's still the crossbow, senator and recoilless, but they are great. I agree about the armour though. I would prefer it if you could have an "armour module/booster" rather than the perks being tied to the armour itself. Then I could keep my light armour and use other perks as I need. It would also let people have the styles they want, but retain the ability they want. And I wish we could have a secondary mission booster, one that only applies to ourselves. It would allow for further specialising and allow us to get the benefits of a booster that we want, but couldn't take. (Example, you're the one who has to take "Full Ammo" because no one else did, but you wanted "Faster Extract")

[@Wolvespbc]

The 25 round capacity on the SMG is clearly a nod to the UMP, famous for having 25 round mags. That's neat, but it isn't called Nostalgia Earth. I think if they reduced the recoil by quite a bit the new SMG would be one of my go to primaries for bots and a fun gun for bugs (definitely not touching the Burny Breaker in that regard). It feels cool, but damn that recoil kills me when I want more than one shot in a row to hit where I'm aiming. The damage is nice though, this thing shreds imo so long as you can manage to keep the bullets on fascists and not the horizon. Reduce recoil a lot, raise magazine capacity to 35-45 (reduce mag count if you hate players having ammo), and this gun would be easily the best traditional firearm primary imo.

[@LaserTractor]

For Pilestedt everything is nostalgia Which is sad

[@tezkyflex7304]

i mean its the space UMP, stop crying it has 9.. 9 mags. It Three shots commanders. Its the verdict but a primary. Would you rather mag dump a commander or be done with it fast?

[@LaserTractor]

@@tezkyflex7304 scorcher tho😃

[@tezkyflex7304]

@@LaserTractor the aoe weapon with 5 magazines and 15 rounds? What is your point :D

[@LaserTractor]

@ 20 rounds Auto fire Almost no recoil each round is 100 direct and 100 aoe damage No, nothing. Just the best assault energy rifle, why're you asking?🤗

[@wickerg041]

Weapon-wise, honestly not the worst warbond. Shotgun feels lacking despite the stun gimmick, but SMG feels amazing. Purifier pistol too, thats the best thing about it.

[@Dragon_Enjoyer]

Literally the most fun I ever had against bugs was just using Crossbow, Stalwart, Gas/Incendiary Nades depending on the seed and difficulty as well as 500kg, Gas Orbital, Jump Pack and whatever stratagem is needed/not brought by my team. Kinda sad but the Stalwart feels so good to use and mow down tons of chaff.

[@210chillian8]

Unflinching + limb health Arc proc+ democracy proc Fire proc + stims or something would have been epic We should have got a light democracy protects set and a heavy unflinching. A heavy scout would have been cool too. Edit: I would bever take servo assisted scout armor.

[@destroyerswin8537]

This game isn’t supposed to be super easy. How I see it it’s supposed to be a realistic experience in a possible advanced future, and realistically you would flinch when you get shot or have extremely potent acid blasted on you

[@Dohzer]

we we're wrong, the guns are actually kinda bad

[@jonathanguignard536]

They should have ammo boosters that give at least 1 mag extra for all weapons you use on the battlefield

[@persywho5863]

i knew Dough would tell it straight. most other content creators are glazing heavy.

[@Rocket_Devastator]

Oh ffs why is liking something considered bad and glazing now

[@majorastorm]

The armor needs another passive to make it worth while

[@tatooinestar]

Armour passive is good for bots, but def should be two passives per set. I've tried to like the new Halt shotgun, but can't stand the slow fire rate and low ammo cap. Sticking to me usual gear loadout. I just want colour customisation please. I know they said that they would never do passive customisation, but colours.

[@D-S-G.]

This one feels like a big 50/50. Fashion is great, the pistol and the shotgun are pretty good. And then theres the downsides, Armor passive needs another effect, just like the RES armors. An idea would be taking less damage from enemies you are facing or something, just anything to make it closer to the launch passives. Dead Sprint needs something to let you opt out of it for those who do not want to use it. Perhaps a glass break style visual effect happens on your screen for around 1 second that lets you stop running before you begin losing HP to let your stamina regen. Stuns are just borked in general and need fixing, especially around Chargers, The SMG, is just weird. I honestly don't get why this thing isn't an Assault Rifle, it feels like they are aware of the AR bloat, but were halfway done making an AR so they axed it's accuracy, and put it with the SMGs. Either make it 1 handed and give shield a new, unique SMG option, or fully rework just make it the semiauto combat rifle of dreams. Im afraid that any attempts to buff it will just turn this into the new Senator vs Verdict, where either this or the Ajudicator would outshine the other to the point that even if both are good, one will always feel bad.

[@dramat123]

i think ppl should check out this guy that made so many videos about armor passives and spread them on so many armors his ideas was great and AH could at least take most of this stuff from JUST armors cuz he made videos about helmets too "Why we play" he even made videos about balance and it was pretty decent

[@ohnomyframerate7558]

The armor's passive has minimal impact. Ive been testing it and I cant tell a difference between stock and that. If I was unphased by being shot I think this armor passive would be godlike, but no. Also, is anyone still dissapointed by the fact that polar patriot armor doesnt have a movement bonus? I feel like having armor made for snow might give you an advantage in snow, right?

[@ghostlygeralt1996]

I like the skins and the Halt shotgun at least but then again I only use stun rounds on brood commanders or stalkers so not doing anything to chargers sucks. Maybe it has something to do with the way they coded heavy armor or smthng