Try A Really Short Delay!

[@rikkousa]

My wife often tells me how much she enjoys my short delay

[@aleksandarmakedonski8282]

What a pun. Clap clap (hands free)

[@JPTyler]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hillcosparky1050]

@@aleksandarmakedonski8282 When the reply tops the original comment 👏 Bravo

[@WeirdBrainGoo]

My friend doesn't get the joke.

[@omertuzer]

😂

[@davidbrowning6762]

The most informative short I’ve seen on the tube. Thanks Mick.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Wow! Thanks!

[@morbidmanmusic]

sad

[@boobiedefloop6097]

Are you stulid, this effect has existed for years under a different name

[@pifko87]

@@boobiedefloop6097 Who is Stu Lid?

[@boobiedefloop6097]

@@pifko87 you.

[@darwinsaye]

This is pretty much how I use delay 90% of the time. Instead of reverb, which I find makes things mushy too easily.

[@maximusfrank2835]

If you mix this with really really short reverb and blend it in like… 2% it’ll make it just a little thicker haha

[@darwinsaye]

@@maximusfrank2835 Yeah the spring reverb in my amp is always on, but just barely.

[@geroffmilan3328]

Same, did it one day & never looked back: sometimes I stack this with another delay at 1200-1500ms to do something more ambient

[@Riikkyy]

It’s a great way to get that compressed sound when you use a slight delay. I like to use it when I do country stuff

[@wea69420]

depending on what reverb you're using, try filtering off all of the low end. A high pass at around 300 Hz makes all the difference when trying to make reverb sit where it should.

[@sebastiancarter9570]

one of the most mind blowing things I learned while studying sound design is that most effects (reverb, flanger, phaser, doubler, dimension) are just different forms of delay with eq’s/lfo’s/panning

[@remotepinecone]

just look at the history of reverb and you will see it simply technological limitations that defined the difference in the past. I've always liked modern delay better than reverb, for the exact reasons you stated, as it offers more control.

[@ildarrrr2]

PS-3 by Boss can make reverb, flanger, phaser, doubler, dimension, octaver, chorus, etc.

[@vincemincevince]

i didn’t know that thanks for the info.

[@daviddragan610]

The behringer fx600 guitar pedal has delay, flanger, chorus, phaser, octave, tremolo and whike playing around with the settings I realised they all sounded very very similar, as if they were different settings on the same board... which they are!

[@cacornett58]

.....and are all timed based effect.

[@alexsharp3481]

I use a 17ms delay and pan my signal left and right to simulate two guitarists playing the same thing. Works incredibly well when playing live and one guitarist drops out for a solo. As people mentioned below, I should have added that they are EQd just differently enough to sound similar while avoiding phase cancellation.

[@growskull]

i just tried this its super interesting thanks for the shout

[@xebio6]

Left/right as in dry/wet?

[@Rocco1123]

Damn that's a good idea. What delay do you use?

[@alexsharp3481]

@@Rocco1123 I do this all in my Axe Fx. I use the analog delay in the unit for that trick but there are plenty that would work

[@Rocco1123]

@Alex Sharp Ah gotcha, its probably extremely easy with Axe effects. With my DL4 I suppose I would have to have it in a seperate chain to get the same effect?

[@jaycollins7288]

When I used to play professionally back in the 80's I only used reverb on stage and no matter what when I heard myself played back from a recording, I always sounded dead. I discovered that a short repeat delay made the difference. I then went from sounding dead to fantastic full, and professional sound. I believe Robben Ford has also said he ALWAYS uses a short delay...ALWAYS!

[@majortellandrus2552]

Great way to get fullness in your tone, like an automatic double track. Can't believe I haven't thought of this

[@Linguae_Music]

Just... dont use it as a replacement for double tracking though xD

[@Yourbankaccount]

​@@Linguae_MusicWhy? People literally have been doing that for ages

[@Linguae_Music]

@@Yourbankaccount Regular double tracking will always create a more realistic sense of width and thickness than a "delay-double" can. Because it has natural inconsistencies between tracks, which both sounds more real and doesnt present any real chance of phase issues while mixing. If you are panning the delay and original signal differently(i probably would) then your creating a haas effect. Which will cause a consistent, and probably noticable, phase interference when played back on a mono system. (Like a phone, or bluetooth speaker, or at the club) Basically double tracking sounds more natural? And doesnt present any chance for any noticable phase interference in the mix. The delay double sounds more like you are a very reflective room. And not as much like two guitars playing? They are both useful tools to make your guitar sound bigger.... but they're just different :D One may work better than the other depending on the vibe of the song your working on... But in that case they wouldnt be interchangable. Hehe But that's not to say that doing the delay double isnt cool, but i wouldnt consider them interchangeable from a mixing perspective. I do enjoy the delay-double(slap-back delay?) effect as well! Maybe im being too anal about this? XD

[@blindhtownkilla]

I could see it as a great tool to get that doubled sound live but in the studio, probably stick with regular double tracking

[@ThursdayLaneNumber1Fan]

@@Yourbankaccount You could've thanked the dude for the education. And stop abusing the word "literally".

[@TraneFrancks]

Love how that short delay almost mimics a room reverb.

[@Dm3qXY]

it mimics the reflection off a wall about ~7 meters away, or a double reflections traveling a ~14m path from the speaker to your ears.

[@KarstenJohansson]

Back when technology was less grreat, and I recorded on a 4-track, I used my washroom to get a really good bright reverb/delay sound. Thankfully nobody has to do that anymore.

[@krono069]

I've been using subtle delay in my tone for 20 years for that added sustain and swell. Great stuff.

[@bringyourownsnake980]

What full, robust, beautiful sound. Classic.

[@TheGgreen100]

Genuinely love the Tiled Bathroom guitar tone, lol. so much vibe.

[@shaundomingue6509]

Excellent video post. Short and informative. Cheers.

[@Total_DaveB]

These shorts are great. Wonderful tone tips Perfect editing. No surprise! Thanks for all you do Mick.

[@matheusnascimentomelo6411]

I always use it! Best Choice for standing out in the mix, and to give your sound a more clear presence in the room, specially if you're a single guitarist in the band.

[@youropionmattersnot]

Wet the signal and it's Pat Travers all day long.

[@saucerfullofzepp4203]

Classic technique used by most one guitar bands, helps fill that space in the mix without overlapping frequencies.

[@shred5]

I love using short delay with a bit of overdrive for soloing. It’s basically an alternative to reverb but gives a different sound.

[@alexrandell9199]

If you double track your guitar, this could make for a really massive sound. With one recording send the dry signal right and the delay left, and with the other one send the dry left and the delay right

[@Untoldanimations]

so quad tracking

[@alexrandell9199]

@@Untoldanimations something like that

[@umrasangus]

​@@Untoldanimations not really

[@adityarohanik0]

How do you do that in Ableton?

[@alexrandell9199]

@@adityarohanik0 I use FL so I don’t know how your channels work, but I’d imagine it’s not incredibly too different. Take one recording of your guitar on one channel and just a delay on the other. Set the delay in the plugin to 100% wet and route the recording signal through it. Pan the guitar track hard right and the delay hard left. Repeat but swap channels with second recording/delay send.

[@JohnWDGTandTele]

Enjoying these short reels that you guys are putting out! While this may be needed to help the algorithm in your favor, and might be a pain as it adds more of a workload for you all, they are very informative. Thanks

[@hardrockerdave94]

I love using my Carbon Copy for this, especially with slide. Gives a proper “room mic” feel

[@sparkyguitar0058]

Came to say the same thing about the C C. My tube amps have 'verb my practice amps dont. 1 of 2 delays on my board so still got delays if needed.

[@davidparsons97]

If you think about it, the old thing of carbon copying is to copy something almost simultaneously rather than with large delay, so shorter delay is the true meaning of a mimeograph.

[@growskull]

slide+delay = heaven

[@robinbennison9225]

Carbon Copy gives such an organic sound compared to most other pedals out there. It is wonderful.

[@swardmusic]

Carbon copy and diamond memory lane junior for the win

[@chaoticembrace6984]

Brilliant stuff Mick !!!!....much love + respect from Chicago!!!

[@HauntedHarmonics]

FYI, this is basically using your delay as a chorus, because this is exactly what chorus pedals do (adding a short delay to replicate a “choir” of multiple instruments). Though chorus pedals often add a subtle pitch shift too, to make the effect more pronounced. This is also why chorus effects are often described as being “wide”. It makes your instrument sound like its coming from multiple sources as opposed to one

[@kaganozdemir4332]

They also can separate stereo channels

[@ThatPedalShow]

You’re almost right. Chorus is - signal gets split. One half of the signal is delayed super short, with that delay time modulated back and forth a tiny bit to create vibrato. That effected signal is mixed back with the dry signal and creates the chorusing effect. Multiple voice choruses have multiple instances of the effected sound. Cheers.

[@brewsmith]

Sounds great. Mick! And thanks for giving usable advice in such a convenient format.

[@echoheadband]

Keeley’s 30ms doubler pedal rocks for this.

[@ThatPedalShow]

It totally does!

[@timcreek2851]

You guys at TPS are just awesome. Thank you for all the outstanding content. This video is no exception!

[@ryanmelvey8764]

another fun one is to make the guitar clean, but the slapback overdriven. helps the tone "bloom" and gives you the benefits of wet/dry. also have the two signals have opposite EQ curves, so the clean tone has mids scooped, and the slap back very mid focused. helps it stay clear

[@CFChristian]

I have to try this. 😮

[@Ballonpoire39]

Thank you for this great idea

[@MC-bi8qw]

How would you do that?

[@JS_Guitar09]

@@MC-bi8qw I think you would need to run a parallel rig somehow. Either a) use anything to split your guitar output into two outputs and have one go into the delay (with the delay level turned up all the way) or b) use a delay pedal with a "dry out" or something like that and that will make its own parallel rig essentially.

[@turboqueer666]

Good advice! Wow! This will make my solos really stand out. Thanks!🎉

[@jakefairley6993]

Adding a short delay to you lead tone is a really nice way to help solos cut through and fill up space

[@benoitquinton]

Short, simple, concise. Love that format! ❤

[@tedc6694]

Densely packed informative content. Love it!

[@naturaIIydifferent]

Back in the day I used this trick to make my 3 piece band sound thicker. It works really well to fill out the sound.

[@Game4Lord]

Effects snob tip. Throw a good chorus on top of this, and you've got a solid 80's hair metal tone.

[@aangtonio5570]

Indeed, the Rockman Stereo Chorus works like that!

[@floatinganarchychannel3204]

Sound like a great room emu and gives tge feel of that great guitar sound from our loves rock songs ❤

[@NeilBolandGuitaristWriter]

A great technique to highlight. A great reference point for this is how the likes of Robben Ford applies this to create a fat "slapback" effect. An "always on" thing for him, Matt Scofield etc.

[@WeekendWarriorGuitars]

Very nice and the Les Paul sounds fantastic!

[@joshfulmer3689]

I definitely like short delays but I do feel like long delays in certain type of guitar styles is actually nice as well

[@jamescassidy3995]

Beautiful! Thanks Mick ✊️🎸✨

[@gavterrygt]

As someone recently looking at the mimiq pedal and thinking I just wouldn’t use it enough, this is a brilliant alternative, thanks!

[@Tonetwisters]

Back in the '74-'75 era, I used to use a studio outboard piece by Eventide Clockworks. I loved the 15 ms delay on that rascal. You could pan a dry to the left and run the digitized signal to the right side, giving a near-perfectly in-time stereo duplicate. I loved that thing.

[@davepfannkoch6876]

tbh i haven't heard a pedal trick this cool in years man, thanks

[@Wooburnmusic]

Another great and educational demo, thankyou. 🙂👍🇬🇧

[@kukelhupf]

Amazing. Feels like the 40 ms added an entire riff.

[@devinwhite5086]

I've done this. Absolutely love the sound.

[@anthonymerola320]

I keep my delay at 370ms with about 4-5 repeats and it just gives this nice width to my guitar sound that I don’t get with the longer delay times.

[@Til_What]

Love doing this. It just fills up the sound nicely without much atmospheric change.

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you! It’s been used loads in recording especially down the years!

[@Birdnos92]

~330 is where my DD3 lives. Could super glue it down at this point.

[@pascalrasmus]

Quite interesting. I will try. Thanks a lot for the information. 👍👍🎸🎸🎸🎸🎸

[@conjob2112]

That’s the magic. You don’t know it’s there until it’s not there.

[@grovesyelite9015]

Awesome. I've been doing this forever. Thought I was weird 🤣 I like the 'live' sound it gives me.

[@StephanReed1]

"No, it's ok, honey! The long delays scare me!"

[@aaronlessard4754]

Strymon Deco works great for this. You can get that amazing doubling effect, or roll back even further for lush 80s chorus.

[@xJAWAx]

Almost works as a reverb. Sounds good.

[@redielg]

It’s gonna blow your mind when you realize what reverb is

[@DomesticatedDemon]

It's really just a plate reverb. Good call 👍

[@kangaroofoot]

@@redielg 🤣🤣🤣

[@SanchoLanzaGuitar]

Beautiful short. Thx Mick

[@j.koppany]

You can use a really really short delay (like 14ms) to get the tone on Killer Queen! (Also crank the mids up)

[@59plexi]

i love that tone...it brings it out more....cuts thru better

[@deicidalmaniac]

I like running one side of my stereo rig 100% wet with a short delay (30ms or shorter) to create a cocked wah out of phase sound. Its crazy the difference between 1ms and 3ms of delay makes to tone.

[@CFChristian]

I stumbled upon this by accident with my brothers DE-7. I basically shut it off. He thinks I'm crazy, but it truly adds dimension and girth.

[@_hexes_]

Thank you for this! I'm definitely trying this out

[@zigsrig]

Cool. That's some pretty juicy tone ya got there!

[@kahlrhoam6769]

Cool short, Mick! Very good points. Something I like to do, is frank the repeats up to just before insane, (depending on the box), & pulling way down the mix dial, crack it open just enough to get bigger tones.

[@RogerThat902]

Appreciate you showing the extremes first then narrowing it. I think all reviews etc. should do that because it trains the ear on what exactly is happening

[@caleshtcincredibles]

Man that is a juicy tip brother ! Thank you !!

[@Mattyholliday]

Been using short delay times since I saw your "Get The Most From Your Analogue Delay video". Another cool trick you should mention again is 'tuning' the delay so you can do a big drop at the end of a set by just maxing out the time knob. Loved that.

[@Sammywhat]

I do so enjoy your playing Mick! And this is coming from a guy that loves the same guitarists as you do! Cheers on ya!!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thank you Sammy!

[@robert_starling]

I'm using 120-180ms with great results. Great looking video BTW! Lighting, lens and audio hitting on all cylinders! Well done!

[@chaos4316]

Awesome tip. Been playing 25 years and still feel like a noob. That’s a clever way of mimicking a vintage amp with that grit/break-up on tap. Love it. Subscribed

[@johancarlson2774]

Yes! I sacrificed a DD-7 for the sole purpose of doubling. Late in my chain, ALWAYS on.

[@ronmorey3475]

Me too! Sacrificing a DD-3 for the same reason.

[@DomSchu]

That super short style delay is one of my favorite effects to kick on for a solo. Makes your guitar really stand out and the delays aren't around long enough to muddy it up.

[@timspencer1]

Fantastic bit of advice. Thanks!

[@randy94willimas]

I actually do this when playing any sort of old school blues!! It's an overlooked way of using delay

[@ThatPedalShow]

Lovely!

[@matthewcollis-long5233]

Shorts getting better and better Mick!❤️

[@ThatPedalShow]

Thanks Matthew. Hope you’re well geezer!

[@matthewcollis-long5233]

@@ThatPedalShow all the better for seeing (and hearing from) you!!

[@Bertyification]

As a lone guitarist in a band I discovered this a while back. Experimented with the Tc Electronic MIMIQ (?) and other delays and have now settled for the wonderful Wampler tape echo. It has tap tempo should you want to go for longer delays and the most magic wavey modulation effect (I think it’s supposed to mimic actual tape stretch or head misalignment). 👍🏻 thanks Mick!

[@richnetts]

So useful, thank you, giving it a go tonight!

[@sounaksahaguitarist]

It is really helpfull,, bring more tricks ❤️❤️❤️

[@SaturnOneZeroFour]

Figured this one out a few days before seeing this, still sounds sweet!

[@devanshissoni]

Man, you are really a hero!🥺

[@magneto44]

sounds awesome, adds some depth to the sound very cool, nice trick

[@RobbyKing]

When I learned to think of delay like the sustain pedal on a piano it really changed my perspective on how to use it

[@diabeticmonkey]

Learned this from reading about Eric Peterson’s rig. It makes all of those Testament riffs sound huge

[@AtomicHarmonix]

Thanks for the info! I love using delay like this

[@scorchedearthdj]

great advice. i learned this not long ago and it's fantastic!

[@maxwellwinter2114]

The trick is to “up pick” every note with a fast delay, listen to Big Sur Moon by Buckethead and you’ll see what I mean. Makes everything sound so much cooler

[@Ritchael]

this is what I was searching for I was hesitate to buy a delay pedal or not this video makes it clear, I need one

[@jwidiot6912]

I do this while playing Finnish "rautalanka" since it is a characteristic of that genre.

[@andrewhamson435]

had one of those free the tones for a while i loved it !

[@Jillz_Wutnot]

short delay is also great for recreating that rockabilly sound too!

[@Driftuner]

I love this technique, it almost sounds like you have a "room mic" in the mix

[@ThatPedalShow]

Yeah, it’s got a lot in common with a simple small room verb. Lovely stuff.

[@Driftuner]

@@ThatPedalShow sure is. Try adding a very long reverb after this delay. Its hard to get the settings to work right, but when i do, im able to create some really spacious sounds that at the same time sort of remains in the background. Hard to explain. Lotta fun, but doesnt work for every kind of playing though

[@ScottDaRock69]

Cool content. I actually discovered this wonderful sound/tone maybe 3yrs ago just playing around and I use it quite frequently, just with my Marshall cranked up high with a little short delay. Wonder lead sound but I've also have written some solid riffs with it as well. Helps with the harmonics. Nice work in your presentation, gives a great " image " on the sound and how it exactly works.

[@andrewbowman9339]

That's my favorite way to use delay. Great short!

[@jakollee]

I use a short delay like this when playing Country/Rockabilly stuff, very effective.

[@HolbeckStill]

Mick There! Lovely demonstration 🙌

[@simontromans2748]

A truly life changing short viddy!

[@jomesias]

At 300 ms you are getting the chorus effect, a copy of your guitar signal only 300ms after you play it. This effect makes it double your sound and make it phater!! You can also use this technique in your DAW!!

[@ThatPedalShow]

Kinda. Chorus is created by splitting the delay line and modulating the time minutely on one side. Usually around 30ms. Cheers.

[@robbrobb5543]

Small delays are essential reverb in fact in the 80s it was very popular to send one of your busses to a BBD and mix it in a bit.

[@zhou_sei]

and of course for REALLY REALLY short delays that simply change your tone, you could try manual flanger mode, like the 'filter matrix' mode on the ehx electric mistress. i LOVE me some comb filters... makes for some wonderfully satisfying and unique tones.

[@zhou_sei]

@@HenritheHorse yesss

[@ge200099]

What a great video! Thanks a lot!

[@micsunday14]

Oh man. I'll never be able to unhear that pap riff

[@EpicManaphyDude]

really adds dimension to the sound! I should invest in a delay

[@MrMystery666]

Absolutely love doubler delays makes a huge difference to rythym. Never tried mixing a doubler delay with a medium/long during solos.

[@vanvar1987]

Try 300ms left channel and 500ms right channel. Makes a nice wide stereo effect.

[@Laithsmiths]

I recently did this! I changed my delay to 50ms for solos, and they sound so epic, sort of doubled/echo-y without repeats, and I'm so happy with it.