Try Losing your Dog

This week on Mordor Gundogs, Charlie discusses the benefits of running away from your dog... at the right time that is.
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[@MordorGundogs22]

If you like this episode please can you hit the like button on the video and leave a comment! Greatly appreciated 👍

[@MikeTowler-d8n]

I took your advice tried this run away and the little bugger ran in front of me, I went flat on my face🤬but will keep trying

[@nickchezontour8356]

Amazing we have a three month old cocker and she picked this up the first time out when we tried it, now a few days later we don’t even need a lead on her when walking in the fields behind our house (we do have a lead with us just in case) and I’m sure she really likes doing this and is aways stopping and looking at us.

[@Reya2658]

Tried this today with my cocker, who is the sort that runs after things with me calling. Her distance from me is several hundred meters. So I flipped it on its head today in a fenced in heathland. She was confused but yes, ran after me. She came to find me every twenty seconds or so. At one point I totally lost her (I had eyes on), she was so scared but found me using her nose. I didn’t recall with whistle once . This is a really effective method. We still have work to do, but progress definitely made in her worrying about me rather than vice versa.

[@wimbornevenue9856]

This is genius tried it with my 10month old boxer who was a notorious independent sole. Now he constantly checks in with me and doesn’t let me out of his sight. It’s changed the way we walk I’m not worried about him anymore he’s worrying about me!! Great advice!

[@michaelpolito1877]

This is absolutely true. I figured this out by trial and error. It completely works. My dog Mari think now, man, I gotta keep an eye on that guy...

[@Glasshousebc]

Absolutely love this… a new addition to my toolbox

[@sillyharriet1]

When we first had our springador we used to hide behind trees every time she went off in to the brush. That way when she popped out a bit further down the trail she used to have a bit of a panic and run back and find us. Worked a treat. Meant we could trust her to figure of eight around us on walks. Even if she was following a trail she would keep us in mind when we were on a walk. Lovely Mol, the best dog ever. Sadly said goodbye this spring after 19 years. Miss her terribly.

[@adamswarbrick6164]

Absolutely yes. My dog off lead constantly checks in with me.

[@frances7214]

We have a 3 year old WCS who recently ran off, nowhere to be seen, despite being trained to the whistle she wouldn't come back at all when called and appeared after 27 mins of my blowing on the whistle! I've started going right back to basics with her training and loving your videos. I'm going to try to employ this technique and hope that she starts to feel she needs to keep me in sight when walking, fingers crossed I can teach an old dog new tricks! Thanks Fran

[@2bzyblack]

Don't have a gun dog, but great advice, easy to zone out on a walk... thanks

[@ramhasib9930]

Great great advice

[@peterbarnes2845]

Another technique I have employed in training my dogs over the years. Deep grass is brilliant for this, just drop to the floor in the grass for a big impact, there one second gone the next keeps them hyper vigilant to keeping track of you.

[@catherinetremerryn]

Makes absolute sense and useful for stopping them eating the poisonous and the disgusting.

[@aloha1005]

So true! Very very good advice. I was allways walking my shiba inu on the leash because of his reputation of running away. Then in ran one day into a man with his dog who was following him off leash. I told him i’d love to do that with my shiba. This is when he said ‘ you are keeping an eye on him all the tome right? You have to teach him to keep an eye on you. He’ll learn only if you dare to try. So in a quieter place of the parc where i knew he could not really escape far, i let him go. He went snuffing and exploring and i continued walking without ever looking at him. Guess who ran after me? And i do this training every day! I would not yet leave him anywhere, anytime, but i know he keeps an eye on me all the time. So you are 100% right in your advice and this even for difficult-tp-train dogs like akita’s and shiba’s.

[@kingagrabinski8849]

Great lesson, thank you!

[@MordorGundogs22]

Glad you liked it!

[@andykeeble1]

Brilliant!

[@denisechappell3434]

It's a surefire way of getting Ruby to follow me is to run away. I also hide behind trees and she goes frantic! She's an 18m wcs.

[@HannahJones-d3t]

Thank you so much for these fantastic videos that actually apply to my 5-month old springer. First-time dog owner here and this is all so relevant after despairing at so much drivel out there that wasn't really working! I will be using the "off we go" command for the start of her unleashed walks now and definitely trying to 'lose' her more!

[@Winstoncat1]

Brilliant. I always said "off you go" with my older NSDTR but I shall try "off we go" with my 5 month old NSDTR pup as it's a been 12 years since I trained a pup. Thank you ❤

[@petebegnell9480]

I watch all your videos & I've learned so much... My Cocker pup responds perfectly to the direction you've given me.... However, my running away from my dog & hiding behind a tree behaviour has the neighbours concerned about my sanity..🙂

[@MartinBanks61]

It has just confirmed my neighbours opinions of my sanity! Or lack of.

[@eileenstrong_uk]

This just sounds so obvious once it's pointed out! Thank you .. this channel is really refreshing!!

[@paultaylor7691]

I've certainly used similar tactics during training on retrieves, where the dog sometimes meanders with a bird before coming to heel, but that's the first time I've seen anyone advocate it as an initial bonding exercise. I've only had two ESS in over forty years of breeding, training & working my dogs, virtually uncontrollably 'running-in' or 'deaf' where the method has failed and my latest 18mth rescue is one of them!

[@davidcudlip6587]

I used to hide from my griff while he was a pup. As an adult, it did make him check back while hunting. I think it tells them that they're not hunting for themselves. Came in handy in the North Woods of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan and Minnesota hunting for Grouse and Woodcock. It's easy in those woods to lose contact with your dog.

[@griff559]

Love this channel!!

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank You!

[@nurseyj9]

Out of my dogs, the 3 that I had from puppies, this trick worked beautifully. My Bedlington was already 9 months when he came from a rescue and he's that '4 miles away, happy and confident' swine of a dog who has to wear a tracker and have heavily curtailed freedoms.

[@nurseyj9]

I should add, he has a happy life within those limits, he loves ratting out pheasant pens and last season was out beating with us, on and off his lead so he didn't get the idea he could just hunt up through the woods and he actually did flush a few himself!

[@beevie4081]

I love this method, it's fun for the human too. And trains the dog's nose. With two people you can graduate to full on hide and seek, though the goals are a little different.

[@annoymous30]

Same here he checks in, however I am going to start this..... runaway 😂 just to keep my puppy gotta go now running 😂

[@oldtimerdoggroomeruk230]

Great video's love the ethos of you're training . How do you deal with puppy mouthing?

[@coldpost99]

Fantastic - I will use this technique on my 9 month lagotto who is too interested in squirrels!!!!! Thank you

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank You! Best of luck with your training

[@coldpost99]

@@MordorGundogs22 Hi Charlie - worked a treat this morning, Florette was sprinting after me, happy and engaged .... an added bonus is that I will be cancelling my gym membership as I was on my knees after an hour of short sprints!!! May I ask what brand of wellies do you have as mine are not comfortable to run in? Thank you so much for your advice.

[@carlyamandaart]

So useful thank you 😊

[@MordorGundogs22]

Glad it was helpful!

[@stan_uden]

Love this idea!

[@ramhasib9930]

Hi I've just found your videos an can I say there great that's my school of thought for many years an some people don't understand please keep up the good work

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank You!

[@ramhasib9930]

@@MordorGundogs22 Your welcome

[@Merope4ever]

I think the dog understands you are playing a game. And therefore they will not be really scared. I agree with you that it's the dog's job to keep an eye on you. And if this is an effective way to teach them that, then this makes a lot of sense. But did you really never feel like you'd lost the trust of a dog this way?

[@annoymous30]

Did the run away as I said I would and my 9 month old spaniel loves it, one big fun game I am diving into bushes, hiding behind trees, oh and tripping over running backwards 😂 but it's keeping him " checking in " more than before, helping with his pulling on lead too, I randomly change direction to keep his focus on me, great videos thanks...

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video, all the best with your training

[@francesdupuy5546]

Thanks - great advice as ever

[@victorialedwold230]

Great video , thank you.

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it

[@marcostevens4086]

Great stuff. Have done this with my cocker since the fist day outside. Always checks in. I do run away and turn arounds all the time. It works

[@nickimorley536]

Love it Charlie

[@Mark260165]

Wonderful video, you explained your methods perfectly, thank you! can I ask what slip lead you have in the video.

[@theshrew69]

This is great advice

[@yjkconsulting]

Another great video!

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it

[@jennypurplethefirst]

I love this, and your explanation of this concept is so straight forward. It’s really easy when you think about it logically! Thank you so much, I’m going to try it with my working dogs too 😊

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it, all the best with your training

[@johnprince7445]

Love the videos. Please keep them coming. They are a breath of "commen sence".

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank You! Will do

[@dorismollenhauer6866]

Was für ein tolles und witziges Video. Sie haben eine gute Energie und die nötige Gelassenheit mit einer großen Prise Humor. Das fühlt sich gut an 😊 Und vor allen Dingen ganz andere Ansätze als ich bisher in Deutschland gesehen habe. Super 😃👍

[@MordorGundogs22]

Danke Doris! Ich freue mich zu hören, dass Ihnen die Videos gefallen

[@aranka4372]

Really like your videos and like this idea too. Our Flatcoated retriever is 2.5 and is usually very close to us and keeps and eye on us but occasionally he wonders a bit further that I'd like. This method would work on older dogs I think?

[@LeonHemmings]

Big fan of your videos and I can’t wait for more! Will you be doing any videos of basic quartering with your Spaniels?

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank you Leon! It’s on the list

[@sabinebachinger2656]

Thank you so much for your videos, I am so glad I found your channel. Would you say the running away technique can re-condition a 3 year old dog who is generally obedient but has sadly gotten into the habit of having a huge range off lead (say 100 metres +) and doesn’t check in very much? It means I have to call her back over and over again, but within seconds she’s far away again. I have tried to offer every game, treat and reward in the world to keep her close but she’s not interested. Thank you 😊

[@danypark3672]

I've just found your videos and they are fascinating, we have a 2 year old kelpie and a 2 working Cocker, we've always hidden and got them to wonder where we've gone to keep them focused but e see now that it wasn't enough because they still control the situation, thank you so much for this advice, we shall start the training over again with your help, we have liked and subscribed ❤

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank You! Much appreciated, glad your enjoying the videos

[@jillbevens7661]

Hi , again really good advice thank you. What age of puppy would you recommend to start this method

[@HenrikVendelbo]

Great video. I have no issue with your points, but since we are talking about gun dogs, I can’t help but to mention that Irish Setters(example based on having had one) for one are supposed to go far away tracking down birds and hares that are hiding in the field. At competitions they are tracking back and forth out in the horizon far away from the owner. Of course this is a fairly special case, so your approach seems relevant to most

[@emilyforde5117]

Another good reminder, better get running again!

[@jippx]

These videos are superb and delighted to see your channel doing so well. As a “regular” dog owner (with a new-to-us 7mth rescue lab), your techniques and insights are still very applicable. I’d love to see a video on how to manage heel training for a family dog that’s also getting leisurely school walks etc at the same time as the more disciplined training walks? It can feel like one step forward, two steps back at times so any thoughts would be great. Thanks, and keep up the great work 👍

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank you! That’s great to hear, we’ll put that on the list of videos to do

[@janetbaker8616]

Love your approach, methods I’m already using but it’s reassuring to see I’m going in the right direction. Thank you very much

[@agashire9837]

Brilliant video! Please could you do a video on how to stop your dark barking at every dog they see! I have a 5 month female cocker spaniel and she constantly barks when she sees other dogs. Perhaps this is normal? Many thanks, Rebecca

[@tumblyhomecarolinep7121]

Super super helpful. Thank you 🏃🏃‍♂️🏃🏃‍♂️🏃🏃‍♂️

[@MordorGundogs22]

👍

[@clairespace3371]

This dog looks just like mine? Related surely! She's a WC and she doesn't run away. She keeps me in view all the time. She may not come when I call her when she's absorbed in a snuffle or mini chase. If I need her to come just then, I sneeze. And she comes like a dart! A fun discovery. Aren't all Working Cockers like velcro?

[@dezwezza]

Just found your channel, really refreshing and full of useful ideas. Like very much that it is not treat orientated.

[@phiby123]

Thank you so much for these brilliant videos.

[@paulariddle7066]

Sounds great. Would this work with older dogs too? I have a 5 yr old mixed breed who we've had 4 yrs, and a 14 mos mixed breed that weve had for under 2 mos, both from a shelter.

[@nigelrudd8999]

Best video yet. 👍

[@MordorGundogs22]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@karlpovey481]

Charlie's enthusiasm is infectious

[@Phoenix-n5o]

Do you have any advice for using this to train a dog who already has all the bad habits you are trying to prevent with this? He is a rescued failed gundog - I suspect because he ran off after something and never came back :(

[@SuperLegasus]

Excellent advice! And an entertaining video 😊

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank You! Glad you enjoyed

[@lolaerinle]

Love your videos. Yo

[@MordorGundogs22]

Thank You!

[@melphillips1608]

Would this work for 4 yr old that I didn’t have all her life ? She ran away from me last week (but ended up running ‘home’). So that was kind of neat . But I was kind of panicked. 🎉

[@christinagreaves7932]

I needed this

[@fayejeffries8150]

My puppy is fine in the garden, walking near home (we live in the countryside in Scotland) but he’s terrible if I walk him in the town (like the vets/ more busy walks) any suggestions please Charlie?

[@johnscott3795]

Brilliant

[@LisbethLorentzen]

my dad once had a jack russell terrier, emma, she was super independent, brave, ran away and never came on call. My father only has dogs as company/family but all have been call-proof, except Emma. One day Emma is on an outing alone with my parents who are desperately looking for her, Emma has run into a large corn field and she can't find out. Finally she finds out just as she gets out, my father gets in the car and wants to drive home, he is unhappy because he has been looking for Emma for several hours, Emma obviously sees this, because when my father drives away from the cornfield, he looks in the rearview mirror and there Emma ran as hard as she could after my father's car, now comes the point: from that day Emma always came on call and she never ran away again!!! 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰😂😂

[@mondoturan]

Gonna see how this works out with my 5mo husky 😂

[@ingafalkenstein4221]

This did not work for my late dog. He knew with his nose he would always find me - later. He was in rescue dog training in area search as soon as I got him.

[@davidklopp01]

How do I apply this to my independent 2.5 year old Brittany? He is a bird dog. Am I too late?

[@RUDRAMANDALIYA3000]

Hello Sir, It will work great but i have little doubt let's say I have to leave for my college and before leaving i make my Rio(7 month old male american Labrador) completely mentally and physically tired 😅 and then I leave him in peace and calm state it also help me to leave and keeping it away from anxiety.

[@RUDRAMANDALIYA3000]

Now my question is he will sure keep attention on me while we are out but will he have anxiety at home when only I am out?😮

[@RUDRAMANDALIYA3000]

I don't want to ruin what I have make him understand but also want to make sure he's having attention on me while we're out. How should I try thus?

[@ellasharples5129]

My cockers first fireworks night - any tips?

[@pinmast0r]

I had some foon say that running away from your dog is "abandonment" which is "punishment" and can not be successful and makes the relationship worse ;) Please help me destroy this nonsense :)

[@batmantiss]

Who could hate a mob of puppies chasing them?