Try These 3 Things to Make Your WLtoys RC Cars Run BETTER!

The new WLtoys 124016, WLtoys 124017 and Eachine EAT14 all have one problem in common. Cogging. TOday we will look at 3 ways to fix or reduce the amount of cogging you will get.
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[@TheRcKiwis]

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[@SquizzyLord]

same as the soldering iron, you could use a blow torch to get the screws out without stripping them.

[@neilaldridge9261]

Great video but what about the pinion? If it’s impossible to get off the standard motor, won’t you need to buy one and if so, how many teeth? I bought the programmer but 🤷‍♂️

[@wisney_snyps]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, use a LIGHTER to heat the screws and gears, WARM them up a lot, so you won't have problems removing them.

[@1peanut]

what does the mode switch do on the radio ?

[@PERTHWESTOZRC]

Ah the joys of taking motors and pinions out of the WLtoys models hey Joe, I personally think they use some sort of super glue in the factory than loctite tbh. Also you must use heat with either a small blow torch or soldering iron to get these screws and pinions off in one piece without stripping them, what i do is once it's very hot, i turn the screw driver clockwise to tighten the screw so it breaks the glue then loosen it, comes off easy and works every time 😎👌

[@a-ztube]

Great dave will try this next days 👌🏽😍😃

[@TheRcKiwis]

THanks Dave for the tip! That's awesome! Cheers

[@stevemdelacruz5602]

Usualky destroy one before learning they love super glue in China

[@amw4736]

Enjoyed the video good job, I think everyone is so focused on the motors. I have had incredible luck increasing speed and performance just by swapping over to a quality ESC. I think this applies to all lower end RC Cars. Brushed and Brushless motors alike. I had an ECX 1/16 scale brushed buggy that I swapped out the esc to a quality Quicrun brushed one. The car was a whole new vehicle. Super smooth and gained about 8 miles per hour! same brushed motor. It's called an Electronic SPEED CONTROLER for a reason. It is what talks to the motor and TELLS it how to perform!

[@murdock6450]

imma try this, cheers dude.

[@gerardscheffer8848]

What even more amazing is the number of videos you make for us. Thank you RcKiwis!

[@TheRcKiwis]

Haha cheers! Our goal is 2-3 a week sometimes we get carried away... 😂🍻

[@westtxgreg]

Just ordered a 124019. I’ll just run it brushed for a bit then upgrade. Thanks for the video and tips guys! 👍🏻

[@SEEYAIAYE]

Had mine for nearly 2 months now, got a Surpass 3100k motor and ESC coming, I'd keep it stock but even after adding more thermal paste to the motor it still overheats quickly and either the motor, the ESC or both shut down, once it does that initially even if you let it cool down for 30 minutes it'll just stop again in 5 minutes, ruins any bashing session if you don't have a backup car.

[@roberthartmann782]

Next you guys should have tried change that esc with that motor upgrade you guys did .

[@ksrnate]

Use a flame to heat the screws up dude! Just 5-10 seconds of heat and they come off like butter! And once you undo the grub screw the pinion will come off easy too because they loctite the pinion on the motor shaft also. 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻

[@joemarktolentino2580]

Big thanks buddy! God bless you 🙏🏽

[@TheRcKiwis]

God bless you Joe!

[@nofruitinmybeer]

Swapping the included ESC with a HobbyWing ESC fixed the problem for me. Way easier than a motor swap. I was very disappointed after receiving the 124016. After what I spent, I would have gone with an LC Racing car instead.

[@timesensitive2117]

LC Racing is definitely a better investment over the brushless WLTOYS. I have two LC'S and neither requires an upgrade out of the box.

[@TheRcKiwis]

Another great fix! Which ESC did you go for? Cheers

[@nofruitinmybeer]

I used the Hobbywing QUICRUN 10BL120. It's probably overkill but I thought if it didn't work out for the 124016 I could use it in a different car at a later time.

[@user-ng5mm7kf6q]

there's also cheaper esc from hobbywing would that worth taking different one but suitable for this car, can you advise oh how to pick the right size esc?

[@nofruitinmybeer]

​@@user-ng5mm7kf6q They have a 10BL60 that would work fine. I think with the large pinion and the 2845 motor any ESC smaller could have issues. At the time I was looking, the price difference was small between the 60 and 120.

[@KlunkersKustoms]

thank you very much, i just ordered a wltoys 144001

[@twrecks116]

The Motor Upgrade was Definitely the way to Go!! Whole New Car There! 🏆🤗

[@williamthompson82]

I had to use a blow torch to get my motor gear off. I bought a adjustable motor mount for the older car and put a 3650 3500kv no more cogging on the 124017

[@marccaracal7443]

Many people report good success with replacing the ESC for a better one. Also, WLToys 144001 and similar models are well known to have an insanely strong loctite on pinion and motor mount. Those parts are less than $5, it is easier to buy them with the new motor.

[@ohhi5237]

def the esc

[@88davidw]

Wow that looked painful to work on! Well done for sticking with it.

[@leorall5234]

Same with my 2 wltoys. Motormount screws and the crub screws stripping. Its like welded on there. Ive even broken 2 titanium 1.5 tiips of in the pinion grub screws lol

[@petercantremember253]

l found a better way to fix my 144001 , tonight lm going to order a VRX Cobra brushless from Sydney ( half price atm ) "Bargain" , i've had the 144001 a month, now l need bigger and faster on a budget lol thanks Joe and Amber

[@stevemdelacruz5602]

I had to buy a mini butane torch to heat the screws and get them out

[@gugman9684]

Trying to get those pinions and mounts of is such a pain as the all the screws have got Loctite on them so most people will just buy replacements for them. That replacement motor mount would have been better if the screw holes were countersunk like the original one . The screws on it push against the pinion and spur gear dust shroud bending it out of shape. I 3D Printed a motor mount but have not got around to trying it out yet making it so it really is adjustable for a bigger pinion gear option.

[@thejeepinrealtor5742]

My 124017 was barely operable out of the box. I replaced the esc with a surpass 60a. Helped a lot for a bit then stopped helping. Who knows. My 124016 wasn’t as bad but it was still there enough where it wouldn’t start in grass etc. Stuck a 3s. Much better but not great. The programming card made both of mine worse. Resetting didn’t correct. I have a motor, gear, and mount en route for both. We’ll see! I should have just bought the brushed ones ha. I love my 14401! Don’t need any more power in it. Thx for the great content 👊🏼

[@gravit8ed]

I've upgraded a few of these now and it is truly a case of just buying the brushed version - as it's cheaper - and just buying an esc, brushless, motor mount and pinion set. You might get lucky tearing the factory stuff down but they use like red loctite or something that ish doesnt come off easy. You're probably going to have to buy at least one of these components to replace what you're gonna ruin trying to pull the factory stuff apart.

[@adrianpilbeam7403]

Don't forget the Servo and radio gear as the brushed one comes with 5 pin servo !!! lol

[@wisney_snyps]

just use a LIGHTER to heat the bolts and gears, WARM them up a lot so you won't have any problems getting them out. that simple

[@RCRoads]

Thanks so much for including links to the motor and motor mount. Very helpful. It's a shame that the pinion gear on the original motor was so hard to remove.

[@camrowdrone6497]

Butter screws , 540 brushless thats what I like 👊🏻👍🏻

[@MrTurboCat21]

The best way to remove the grub screw and mount screws, is using a lot of heat from a butane torch, until it smokes. The smoke means that it's cleaning any solder and glue. It works like a charm.

[@Plugg1971]

I used heat from the word go and upgraded to a max 10 set up works great not had a problem since that so worth it and the heat is the only way to get the screws out

[@kla2552]

i use kitchen gas stove to heat up the motor mount

[@steveblackbird]

Solid vid guys. Unfortunately they use cyano glue instead of locktite. As you found, heat is your friend. I have the 12428 and 144001 and think as brushed cars they're pretty good. I went with the equivalent LC racing BL motor and ESC on the 144001. New Dumbo RC radio, and it's turned it into a little weapon. LC Racing anti roll bar kit helps a lot too.. yes they fit!! Much smaller can and a 15 tooth pinion. Motor mount needs to be slotted out but love the way it runs now. Cheers for this vid. They are such a great bunch of cars that are durable enough without breaking the bank!

[@peteroneill6189]

Hello there , I had all the same problems, new Dumbo rc receiver ,new surpass motor and ESC , new light, new motor mount , broke the motor shaft trying to get the old pinion out , hours and hours of work , but finally no cogging , after weeks of back and forth with banggood , managed to get a partial refund, it only covered the cost of the parts tho . Stupidly fast on 2s , not even tried 3s , with the new motor , the back tyres De glued themselves to on full power , but now , it seems like the car I Thot I paid for , next time think I will buy the LC racing EMT , keep the great content coming cheers

[@rdrc7821]

Good test!!!! 👍

[@nick92065]

I use my heat gun to apply heat to the parts not a soldering iron.

[@christopher0023]

Great video! (Except for that awkward motor throw lol)

[@andrewlow-hang3106]

More comparison videos like this please. Awesome Stuff as Always! Merry Christmas 👍💪

[@DimiS1978]

I bought my 3rd LC Racing kit yesterday, no more WLCrap for me. I thought I was going crazy trying to get the effin motor out of my WLtoys. I literally had to cut out a piece of the chassis to get the motor mount out.

[@TheRcKiwis]

oh man I know they are the WORST to work on!

[@christiansrcs7789]

I love the thumbnail

[@TheRcKiwis]

being different for a change

[@datrain780311]

also....i love your videos. keep up the good work

[@gillian9178]

You really need to use heat from a blow torch to release the pinion & motor screws, they then unscrew much easier.

[@dominohobby8094]

Thanks for sharing my brother and sister 🇮🇩

[@brokennib1]

Joe, buddy you really need a vice for that stuff! A little easier when you lock that stuff down! 😀

[@binojgeorge8135]

Can u make a video of the rgt Suzuki jimny

[@a-ztube]

Great comparison video wow 👌🏽😍😃👍🏽

[@Puffalupagus360]

I used needle nose pliers to pull my pinion off with the set screw still in.

[@TheRcKiwis]

😂 I tried that too!

[@Luke-en2tk]

Entertaining video guys, hate Phillips screws in RC cars. They be loving the red thread lock 🤦🤣🤣. Would have been interesting to see if changing the ESC would also fixed the issue.

[@SEEYAIAYE]

They don't even use thread lock at the factory, just bucket loads of cheap glue, better off buying a new motor mount and screws than trying to get them all out and cleaning the gunk off em.

[@clenchedfury6019]

I had to cut flathead slots in all the same screws, got them out but it was a pain

[@eskimojoe6564]

So ordering a new motor and adjustable motor mount did the trick? nice :) I am not even going to try to remove the stock motor and mount cuz it’s a pain in the ass.

[@TheRcKiwis]

Sure did! The bullet connectors were different so I just did a temp solder job until our bullet connector set arrives! Cheers

[@philthyco1]

Heat up the grub screw first oh and go to the lowest number on the neutral state on programmer

[@filipinomixer]

Very informative content Love it 👍🏽

[@johnchristopherwright7253]

Reverse the tires fat on front then on back front to back back to front better grip better control

[@danielcarvajalblanco3476]

Wd40 penettating lubricant and previously using a penettating disolvent for the glue, will make lot easier the job. You welcome

[@danielcarvajalblanco3476]

Wltoys do build the car in the factory without any grease on the metallic threads mm screws. When it's tighten in the factory, it does in a really strong nm torque, causing the screw "fuse" with the thread. Apply Wd40 or any another penettating lubricant some minutes before try to work on the screw and will be alright.

[@halmakenreuther8843]

To get glued-in chinese screws out i would recommend a little torch. You can punctually heat up the screw very fast. Same with pinions. Soldering iron takes too long and heats up the environment too much. There is pinion remove tool on aliexpress for under 10 bucks which i can recommend too. Biggest problems on the wltoys are the too soft metals and no adjustable motor mounts. So as you did i installed a 3650 motor with 3300 kv on mine. No cogging at all. Lets see how long it will survive 😁

[@RCModSquad]

Knowledge is expensive, experience is priceless. Since you don’t know the secret yet I’ll share it with you. WLTOYS doesn’t use loctite, they use yellow glue. If you use a heat gun all the screws come out without damage and the pinion also is easy to remove. You’re welcome! Have a great day and be safe out there!

[@datrain780311]

do you have a video installing the upgraded motor and motor mount.. I ordered 1 of these 124017 by WLToys and it arrives tomorrow and this is something i want to do from the start

[@herbertmuller8686]

What we learned. Good old brushed motor version is the best combi for small and light RC cars. No need to invest money for expensive sensorless brushless motors. Also sensored brushles motor have cogging issues.

[@johansonsfamilie7316]

Make a review of the Traxxas rustler 4x4 vxl

[@Jiggle-Boys-RC]

I think the issue with cogging and the WL Toys line of 1:12 scale buggies is with the differential and the CVD drive shafts. They bend a lot under load and actually with a brushless setup they will bend the dog bones out of the stub wheel axles, and sheer the metal to pieces on the stub wheel axle. I’m gonna order 4 CVDs with the stub wheel axle built into it, as well as the aluminum tie rods and upgraded diff gears. Next upgrade will be a more quality transmitter and receiver, but after watching this video if i choose to swap motors as well, I’ll be ordering a fresh motor mount and pinion 😂

[@calebbrowning3399]

Guys love the page! Can I ask what pinion gear you used with the updated brushless motor? Stock?

[@wolfreon]

Dude, you are twice the size of me.. I can't imagine how unpleasant will it be for me to take that off without a lubricant. You should try using wd40 when removing the pinion.. works well for me.. :)

[@kevinschroth.4568]

Pb blaster is better and wd40 isn't really a lubricant

[@andersonboy77]

Grub screws.....a battle we want to avoid . Sometimes you win, but it's always stressful.

[@BluntmanOO7]

what works best seems to be just go with the brushed model and save yourself a lot of time and $

[@hamsolo1756]

Can the esc be programmed with out a programming card????

[@trentonnobles464]

IDK what thread locker WLtoys uses but it is stronger than the metal in their screws and the mild steel output shafts. Every time I try to take a screw out of metal on metal I strip it. When I go to change driveshafts or pinions I always have to use a Dremel and/or a lot of leverage.

[@ashlealozman2163]

I had the same issue with the motor mount stripping screws! Must be a factory thing where those parts in particular are WELDED together!!

[@imRedrich]

the best option is just buy the brushed version and upgrade it might be more expensive but u have your own taste to it.

[@dominicchesterman2107]

Buy the brushed one and spend the change on 🍺!

[@philsvideos4509]

WL toys just released 124017/016 V2 which apparently fixes the cogging. Can you please get and review?

[@grrfy]

Have had to use a blowtorch on all the ones I have changed even then most of the time at least one component is trashed, I like the brushed versions as pretty cheap , but with the brushless and really still having to change something you really can be knocking on the door of the cost of an LC Racing.

[@SEEYAIAYE]

In Quadrify's guide to upgrading the 124 series, he highly suggests just buying a new motor mount as it's almost not worth the hassle of trying to get all the glued in screws off and reusing it for an upgraded motor, now I see why.

[@natedawg5150]

Dude I have the same problems I cannot get the mount off the motor or the pinion when they built these cars they built them so they will not come apart lol. It’s aggravating even used soldering iron as well.

[@Thatminibike212]

I put a full surpass hobby in my dads brushed and it didn’t cog at all

[@Rockatha]

It would seem your best bet is to save money and just buy the brushed one.

[@lael1236]

Hello guys, I hope you are fine!! I have a question, I hope you can reply, when you changed the motor, did you also changed the Esc? Or that stock Esc can handle the 3650 motor?

[@letzvisit1661]

What gps Speedo do you think is best and cheapest for speed runs ?

[@joseluisarroyocaro4819]

Hola me a gustado el vídeo amigo y amiga ayer ise un pedido de uno nada más me llegué fuera combo y combo nuevo de 10👍💪🍻🍻🍻🍻🏎️🏎️

[@Micho6911]

Good effort, but the manufacturer of all screws sure loctite. So that the arbitrary is not allowed. Without warming up, there is no chance to twist it!!! So it must be heated before disassembly !!!loctitte is like glue!!!When a soldering iron is not enough, you have to use a small gas burner!!!

[@allanmiguel8319]

Hi RCKiwis! Bought a WLtoys 144001 for my son however have an issue with the controller. If I pull the trigger/throttle the car goes backwards instead of forward and vice versa. Any idea how to fix this please? Thanks!

[@brianjessen2296]

Can you use 11,1v or only 7,4v and can i drive with 3s battery?

[@gregcurtis7455]

Good morning from the US! Awesome video, love the side by side comparison shots. My 124017 cogs terribly as well, of course. What size pinion did you use when you put the bigger motor in? Thanks and keep up the great content!!

[@TheRcKiwis]

Hey there! Kepping with the theme of the video, being trying to fix it as cheap as possible we kept the same stock pinion 🍻

[@Rek_Rc]

@@TheRcKiwis wow so with the same stock pinion and a faster motor I bet a speed run with the 124017 upgraded like yours must be seriously fast. I get 60 mph and a PB of 63 (mph not kph BTW) with my v1 bone stock on a 3s and 6mm taller wheels. I imagine yours would easily break 70mph with taller wheels and 3s lipo then. Have you tried it yet?

[@andrzej812]

My 124019 is the best👍😀👏👏

[@adrianpilbeam7403]

Motor Upgrade or ESC Upgrade is best solution I have found. I don't rate WLToys' service as they don't answer emails and once they realised they had sold sub standard products they simply released a V2 and an upgrade pack to purchase. Shame on you WLToys!!!

[@johnmarklucing7106]

Heat the screw before u lossen it.. That the easy way to unscrew that...

[@chrisbillings6006]

yeah my 144001 striped all the motor screws also hate it they make it so u cant work or repair ur car without buying extra parts u dident need till u try to take it apart

[@adamturner3844]

cannot get the pinion off, could you send me a link to buy new pinion? got the new motor and mount arriving tommorow

[@adamturner3844]

nevermind, heated it up and she slid right off 😎🤓

[@mikeovercash3991]

They make a pinion puller

[@jayhow997]

I think it's cheap solder an to much flux at the bullet connectors. Change either motor or ESC and the problem goes or improves. I've seen others use different brand 2845 sized motors and fixed it as well as the bigger 3650 .

[@donalddelgado1666]

So, why didn’t they put a brushed motor in it instead?

[@sebw3964]

You forgot the RC Transmitter can cause the delay

[@sureztv5836]

can i install dumborc x6 for wltoys 124018?

[@funkygas]

Great vid! What pinion size did you end up with?

[@TheRcKiwis]

Stayed with the stock pinion I thinks its 27T. Cheers

[@richardfife6716]

Clutch slip??

[@rafiq.q356]

Pleased 🥺 do wltoys a979❤️❤️❤️

[@yongtatpui7560]

Hi. Do u know the brand of HSP? The model of HSP 94107 PRO 1/10?

[@butchmeister80]

Bin em

[@letzvisit1661]

Hi thanks for the great content loving your videos. I’ve just ordered my purple wltoys 124019 buggy. I intend on getting the 1/10 buggy also. I was wondering if you can help with the purple one first but the plan is same for both. I want to upgrade them to go as fast as possible in a straight line. So I understand I need to change the receiver and esc as they are combined. Do that mean there is no possible way to use the original controller supplied with the car ? Could you suggest some good motor and esc and any other parts needed to get this car to drive to around 70mph with out blowing up on a regular basis. Also for straight line speed should I change the shock oil and if so what weight front and rear? Thanks very much for your help in advance. I’d also need to know that’s best full tool kit to work on these cars. Sorry for lots of questions lol any help would be great. If you have an email I’m happy to mail you and talk that way. I live in uk so I know we have time difference also .

[@joshleonard2117]

i just got it the rc cars and i played with it twice and now all the controls are all backwards an there is no switch to change that idk help lol

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Hello to my favorite kiwis! 🥝🥝

[@TheRcKiwis]

Hello!

[@dalebirchall9536]

How long 2slipo should be charg for

[@dalebirchall9536]

😮

[@EJ-74]

🔥👍✌️

[@pfizzlemeadow]

After owning an arrma... I am scarred and just heat up every damn motor mount or pinion screw before trying to get it out

[@michaelrc9098]

I know if you strip a 2mm grub screw, a T8 torx bit, heat applied to the thread, table vice and a hammer works well to remove a stripped grub screw 😳

[@TheRcKiwis]

Cheers for sharing that mate!

[@michaelrc9098]

No problem, reason being is the T8 bit's just ever so slightly oversized, and once the grub screw starts to round off, the T8 bit with a bit of force can fit in and you're able to torque the grub screw out, and heat is important at this stage as if you strip a grub screw or whatever with a MIP driver initially, you're definitely dealing with red threadlock or something that requires heat. In your video, the MIP bit wasn't the problem! The bits of metal shards you get is from the "soft steel" in the grub screw, not the tool bit! ;o

[@nomusicrc]

I prefer brushed better control at slower speeds AND NO COGGING EVER Wltoys brushed motors are pretty fast too I have a 144001 and I can't believe it does 30 miles an hour on 2s I have a brushless slash and it does 30 miles on 2s

[@toolbaggers]

There should have been no further screw stripping after the first one!

[@Dabrovata]

I ordered the same motor couple days ago. What do the stock ESC feels about it on 3s?

[@TheRcKiwis]

The esc can handle 3s not so sure about the motor though..

[@Dabrovata]

@@TheRcKiwis yes it can, but in the motor specifications we have something about 75A draw, while esc is only 60A 😅