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[@RizalBoon]

If you really want to understand the more on the universe, Gigguk also made the "updated" video of this, although not sure if you can watch it beforehand

[@TheMich0]

I mean, it doesn't spoil Zero or Stay Night

[@Z.G]

​@@TheMich0even if it did with all the shit crammed in that video I doubt he would remember 😭

[@uselessprotaganist7444]

I used to think the "read the visual novel" people were insufferable....then I read the visual novel. The VN really is so much better as an entry point than any other option that it's not even close. That said, 90 fucking hours is a big ask as a starting point. If you're starting anime only, then just pick either UBW or Zero. They're both going to spoil big reveals and confuse you a later when nobody is acknowledging those twists yet, but it's not the end of the world, really.

[@GG-bd8rr]

I know this Gigguk's video is also for entertainment purposes but he really made Fate series "seems more complicated" than it should be lol

[@fork6057]

Sucks but its true. I think he just wanted views so he went with the memes and overcomplicated it.

[@petraryca]

Yeah, just recommended the best route, ilya route, Fate/prisma kaleid idk why ppl start with fate/zero, its not good, ilya route is way better

[@fork6057]

@@petraryca you're saying fate zero isn't good??

[@VGGuy95]

@@fork6057 think petra's comment is bait lol

[@dai-f8u]

​​@@VGGuy95I hope it is, because Fate zero is peak

[@WisteriaTiger7478]

You should also check out the longer version gigguk did, It doesn't spoil any of the actual shows of anything major and more gives the lore and connections between the series

[@tincong2k2]

This video just for fun, so just watch anything you want 😊

[@Surge-kk6ew]

The hook hand being a wand is genius

[@tommy.eklund]

As a Fate fan it's so frustrating how for anime-onlys the starting point doesn't have a proper adaptaption.. The closest you can get is a fan-edit from Reddit that "fixes" or rather, removes all the confusing inclusions of other routes in the Deen adapation of Stay Night (I trusted the internet and played the VN for fate route, no regrets, it just takes really long). Also a hill I'm willing to die on is that you should only start with Zero if you never plan on playing the VN or watching UBW/HF. It spoils one of the biggest twists in HF. It's meant to be a prequel, so whatever Stay Night "spoils" of Zero doesn't matter nearly as much.

[@gantashiro978]

Other than Zero, Unlimited Blade Works, and Heaven's Feel, the only adaptation I could see getting voted in is Grand Order Babylonia

[@treeNash]

Stay Night into Zero into Unlimited Bladeworks was my order and it works just fine. I think that's the order the came out. I'm willing to bet there's a significant overlap of people who voted Fate/Zero that want you to start with Stay/Night. There's a good chance that Fate/Zero in the poll represented the Fate franchise as a whole for a lot of people. You can always make another poll asking which show to watch first between Stay/Night or Fate/Zero.

[@tommy.eklund]

I'm pretty sure the majority will still vote for Zero, which is a terrible recommendation unless you never plan on watching/playing Stay Night. Zero spoils one of the biggest twists in Heaven's Feel, and is meant to be watched/read as a prequel assuming you know what happens in all of Stay Night (the LN came out like 3 years after Stay Night). Too bad the best starting point we have for anime-onlys is a fan edit that only keeps in the Fate Route stuff of Deen's crappy adaptation (and adds in the Prologue from Ufotable's UBW, insane that Deen left it out).

[@zeldojikkai4924]

7:43 you underestimate fate fandom actually most of the people who have seen fate zero and fate ubw also watched heaven feels and at least 1 or 2 other fate series i rarely see people who only have watched zero and ubw

[@Exalter06]

Real Chads start with Carnival Phantasm 🗿

[@dai-f8u]

I started with the doujins😊

[@brotheris33]

If I had the power to go back in time to change the past, it would be to make sure that the fate zero anime never existed

[@Yamato3000x]

pretty sure lots of people would still vote for apocrypha.. it's really good, along with fate grand order babylon.. not ufotable (it's A1 pictures) but the fight scenes are still up there..

[@notbadrule9883]

For me, it doesn't matter where you start Fate series as long as you enjoy the experience. Heck, do you know how I started Fate? I watch Fate Grand Order Learning with Manga for the meme and started the anime with the the spin-off, Fate Apocrypha. From there, now I had watched all the series, even other related works like Tsukihime, Garden of Sinners, Mahoyo and others and also playing the games including Fate Grand Order. I still playing Fate Grand Order now and waiting for peak Lostbelt 7.

[@dai-f8u]

Whats your favorite fate? Personally I love Fate Grand order because the Lostbelts are peak, specially Lostbelt 6.

[@IamIchijo]

And this is why we want Ufotable to go back and adapt the fate route. If they do that then we wouldn't have all these watch order nonsense as we would finally have good adaptions of the main three routes from the Fate/Stay Night Visual, the very start of the franchise and series that would satisfy everyone.

[@Closetorouter619]

"good adaptations" 💀

[@UguuUng]

I personally watched them Fate/kaleid then Fate/Zero then Fate/Apocrypha then Fate/UBW then Fate/Stay Night

[@miteigi8334]

3:23 Different routes but you can't choose which route you want first. It's always Fate>UBW>HF. 4:27 Fate people will watch anything related to Fate. The only thing is that there's only Zero in there. 4:40 All are shit adptation. The only ones barely passes are UBW, Babylonia, and Solomon. 4:53 Watch Fate/Stay Night 5:28 No one must watch HF first. There's a reason it's the third route. 5:49 Can't be chicken or egg, if one is literally the first thing created, and the other is not only made third, it's also a spin-off and not even a canon prequel of what people calls a "prequel" 5:53 FSN is NOT a hundred hours. And FGO IS actually more than a hundred hours. 6:51 Otakudaikun 9:33 Okita came from a TM parody manga called Koha-Ace written by Kei Kenichi. The same writer then made "Fate/Koha-Ace" which is a more straightforward HGW featuring the same cast. Fate/Koha-Ace was reimagined by Ryoji Hirano as "Fate/Type Redline" 12:59 Prillya's only blight is 2wei and 2wei herz for doubling down the fan service. It was both a solid series and adaptation, and the manga is one of the best of Fate.

[@brandonwong8614]

I guess all VN routes least I wanna say it's all has been a long time since I've seen Fate, could somewhat explain the fate universe being complicated

[@MangoRiko]

I would personally be on the side of starting with Unlimited Blade Works then Heavens Feel and then Zero as that is the closest viewing order you can get to the original VN without ruining any major twists, and they dont spoil the Zero experience as seriously as Zero spoils the Stay/Night routes. Zero was written as a prequel. But, from a purely anime only perspective and your channel format, I understand starting with Zero as it is widely considered the best Fate Anime overall despite its relationship with the rest of the series. There's also more stuff to do with why alot of the fandom (mainly VN readers) despise starting with Zero as a whole but its better to just experience it for yourself. In the end, it doesnt really matter as long as it gets you into Fate.

[@Deljron777]

I've never watched the fate series because I never knew where to start.

[@notbadrule9883]

Ngl, I started from a spin-off series that is Fate Apocrypha. Not even the main series, but from there, I started to watch Fate Zero, Fate stay/night, playing Fate Grand Order and from there, I just keep delving into the Fate series despite people saying you should watch in the right order, but that still don't stop me from watching all the series and understanding the lore of the series. Well, my first exposure through Fate is the meme series called Fate Grand Order Learning with Manga that you can find it in Aniplex channel with English Subtitles. It was so funny that I want to know more about this series. That's why I feel it doesn't matter where you start, as long as you have fun with it and you feel it is enjoyable, then just watch any Fate series that you want.

[@antoniojsanchez7892]

gigguk has a long version watch that video too.

[@azrael7582]

i started with Stay night / Unlimited blade Works by ufotable, then to Zero, and then enjoyed Apocrypha, Encore and so on And i can say, it was a good start for me I would say, UBW and Grand Order will get you the views, then probably Apocrypha and Zero and then the rest You could do a Poll with only Fate Series, but i think that would be a war between the fans getting the "right" start

[@aidanmullard8508]

If you dont get to watch fate unlimited blade works i would reccomend the Abridged. It also massivly helps to have seen zero before the abridged through, but bit nessacary.

[@anonymous-wu9md]

He wouldn't understand anything if he watch abridged tho

[@aidanmullard8508]

@anonymous-wu9md it does a pretty good job explaining things so new people don't get too lost. If course, they make lots of in jokes and references, so those would be lost

[@mishi6023]

Honestly i would think that El-Melloi II Cases Files and Kara no Kyoukai anime series/movies adaptation would fit right in with your taste if you like abit of supernatural mystery like Rezero.

[@hanacko1]

Nah bro u gotta watch apocrypha, its goated, especially animation wise

[@RXZ5]

i think best way to watch anime's or fate anime is how they are release, first watch which is release in first and like that that way i enjoy anime like fate.

[@keesh2736]

The only correct answer is the VN but people are too impatient or illiterate to read, especially since it just got an official release

[@fork6057]

Its kinda silly to say that thats the only “correct” way. Correct for what? If you mean to understand it the best, sure, but just saying “the only correct way” sounds elitist asf

[@zeldojikkai4924]

No that's not the only correct answer that's not even a correct answer the correct answer is watch whatever you want

[@nelisezpasce]

@@fork6057 It's the simplest, most effective proper method. Arguably the only way to experience the story. You can also stumble your way then wiki dive. But there's no comparison. It's better this way. The franchise is incompatible to non-readers.

[@Roadadar]

apocrypha has naz1 btw

[@fahryhamzah5200]

FGO have pity now but 300 puls 😂

[@what_is_my_name959]

I watched only fate/stay night (2006) and dropped 🙂

[@bijoychandraroy]

I actually want Fate Apocrypha

[@Truck_kun2-2]

The title says it🗿

[@kienle8411]

caw said he played fgo, so i think he wont be confused about servants name and classes

[@davidfleming6792]

Starting with UBW is the better option, then Heaven's Feel and then Zero. The very first episode of zero already spoils a lot of Heaven's Feel, its not worth it. UBW isnt hated like the Deen anime, so it won't be a problem to get views from it.

[@fuandroid04]

it's all about the time line, I think you are better know that.

[@fuandroid04]

when you can enjoy Carnival Phantasm, that's mean you really get in.

[@RXZ5]

he is right he need to watch what we want to watch. he can't watch what ever and upload it that is not going to work in KZbin

[@jgeugene]

iirc, didn't fate/stay night just get a remastered version??

[@IamIchijo]

Yes it had, and it was even encouraged by the creators behind it that this is the perfect starting point if you ever want to get into the Fate/Stay Night series for the first time as it is now freely accessible to everybody who owns a pc and switch (except console players but who plays these types of games on consoles.)

[@keremdeveci3984]

chronologically fate zero, fate stay night (2006), fate stay night ubw, fate stay night heavens feel is the priority after that there are still a route u need to follow but since characters always changing it doesnt matter that much. sadly i dont think u gonna react to 2006 version bc people wont like it (shitty animation), still its great to watch it to understand everything better because fate always adds more detail in every single season. heavens feel also ufotable and it has the best fuckng animation quality of all time (for me and some more people), i watched like 1000+ animes and still couldnt see any better quality thats just peak art. routes means here which girl mc choose thats why every decision leads to another girl and another ending (only in stay night but fate series is totally is about your choices how your fate changes). thats why stay night series always starts almost the same. extra encore is better than apoc. for me, fmc was peak.

[@johnyshadow]

If you plan to watch UBW and Heaven´s Feel (you should, they´re great), and hate spoilers, then don´t start with Zero. As a prequel, it expects you to have the information of what happens in those, and completely spoils the mystery. I want to say to start with the Dean 2006, (it´s really not THAT bad), but yeah, it has a lot of haters. So start with UBW.

[@dawgman6654]

Saying Fate/Stay Night spoils Zero is just wrong in my book. Rather, I just hate using the term 'spoil' when talking about prequels. The point of a prequel is that you go in knowing the ending, just not how that ending was reached. With Zero, you already knew what happened at the end, every fate fan at the time knew. It was everything that led to that ending that you wanted to know. The end result was obvious but the calculations, the work, was what you wanted to see most. Basically, A prequel is just one big flashback.

[@miteigi8334]

Zero to Stay Night is just like a DLC to a game

[@truekampang6709]

TL;DR: FSN= Vanilla MC FSN/UBW= Alpha MC FSN/HF= Giga Chad MC

[@1an505]

Fate Stay Night = Saber Unlimited Blade Works = Best girl (Tohsaka Rin) Heaven's Feel = Sakura

[@brandonwong8614]

Huh I didn't know Shirou was best Girl

[@sadleyn9645]

Tbh i actually want you to watch fate zero. Something tell me you gonna like the caster in there

[@overknight2580]

You should watch Fate Heaven's Feel It from ufotable the animation it very good 🗿🗿🗿

[@IamIchijo]

Most likely gonna be a patreon exclusive.

[@overknight2580]

@@IamIchijo It good as long as he watch it

[@feri4434]

Fate 2006 is good

[@miteigi8334]

It is WAY better than people think it is. The problem is majority of anime onlies can't pay attention to what they are seeing. And that gets worse by the year.

[@vladeestebaTC]

fgo have pitty system but is 800 gacha

[@GG-bd8rr]

before they don't have pity system

[@Grims-Arc]

Can't get into this series im to confused😵

[@mystic_eyesofcrucifixion6772]

Jokes aside Gigguk gives the most unreliable Type-Moon content so I don’t take home seriously

[@dai-f8u]

I really hope he doesn't react to Gigguk's video of badly explaining the fate franchise

[@KingSama-jp7nn]

🗿

[@ElitojanaiJR]

Fate HF is the best

[@stepgo95]

👍

[@PhemSee335]

Dont watch Deen, its dogshit Fate Zero -> Fate Stay Night UBW (ufotable) -> Fate Stay Night Heavens Feel Trilogy After that you can watch whatever you want Edit : Also the timeline itself isnt confusing once you dive into it, it just works

[@xenovious]

just watch in release order we dont really watch deen stay night because of the quality and mediocre adaptation of Saber route thats why start at Zero cause thats the next one then ufotable UBW then HF trilogy

[@chewyandchris]

Fate fans probably hate me my opinion start fate extra then fate apocrypha,fate babylon then zero

[@dragonsden7934]

FSN 2006 version anime is a bad adaptation not just because of the animation but because mixes the storylines of all 3 routes while executing them badly and hence spoiling Heaven's Feel and UBW. Hence, Fate/Zero is actually objectively the best starting point for anime only.

[@tommy.eklund]

How is Zero objectively the best starting point when it spoils a massive twist in HF? Zero is a prequel which assumes you already know what happens in FSN.

[@dragonsden7934]

@@tommy.eklund It is objectively the best starting point for anime only. As for that HF twist, it works best with VN. If you are anime only, you need the context more from Zero to appreciate it more. Also, that's not the only twist in HF but Deen Stay Night ruins all routes in Fate route itself.

[@tommy.eklund]

@@dragonsden7934 There's a fan-edit of Deen's Stay Night which adds the prologue and cuts out all the stuff from the other routes. It's far from ideal but it's still better than starting from Zero, even UBW is a better place to start.

[@ishanadaitenshou9064]

Nah, it is really a shitty adaptation. Yeah prillya is good if you can handle lesbian lolis kissing as a fan service.

[@zell8957]

I think you're thinking too much. Between Zero or UBW, just choose. It doesn't matter which one you watch first. You wouldn't understand the spoilers anyway if you have no knowledge to the other title (Zero, UBW, Heaven's Feel). Zero: It's about the ____ story Fate, UBW and Heaven's Feel: It's the story of the ___, but different outcomes The rest is up to you what to watch next. I recommend watching Emiya-san Chi no Kyou no Gohan and Carnival Phantasm for a breather or laughs.

[@FerunaLutelou]

Fate Zero, Fate Stay Night, Stay Night UBW and Stay Night Heavens Feel are so interconnected that they all spoil eachother, but it's fine to start with ANY of these 4 cause they serve as a great introduction to the Nasuverse and even out of context of Fate franchise all 4 are great stories even by themselves. Stay Night, Stay Night UBW and Stay Night Heavens Feel are just 3 timelines based on 3 routes (Fate route, UBW route and Heavens Feel route) from the original Visual Novel, while Fate Zero is a prequel to these 3 timelines. Also, Heavens Feel is the best out of the 4.

[@johnyshadow]

Thing is, in the VN the routes have a set order. You only get access to the next route after clearing the previous one, and they expect you to have the knowledge from the previous routes, so they can quickly get to what´s actually different. For example, the Fate route is where you get a close connection with Saber, so the later events have more weight to them.

[@FerunaLutelou]

@@johnyshadow yes, but we're talking about anime adaptations here, and those are fine to watch in any order really as each was made to be viewed on its own regardless of the others.

[@IamIchijo]

@@FerunaLutelou The movies were made expecting you to have watched Unlimited Blade Works. They expect you to know all of the characters at that point which you don't get by watching Heaven's feel first. It's a very bad start that leaves you even more confuse of what is happening Movie 1 literally skips right over a whole two scenes expecting you to know that from watching Unlimited Blade Works. It should be watched after just as it was intended to seen after all the other routes in the Visual Novel.

[@GhostRS3411]

Fate zero spoils itself as it is meant to be a greek tragedy. I personally recommend UBW -> Fate Zero for narrative reasons or Fate Zero -> UBW for chronological reasons. How the Heaven's Feel movies are written would be watched after seeing UBW and Fate Zero as the movies expect narrative and chronological background from both series.

[@b.ardner6903]

You know what? Just watch Fate Zero, then Fate UBW, then Fate Heaven Feel one to complete your journey. If you want the side quests, there's plenty

[@gantashiro978]

Thank you for cooking the fools who say you can't watch Fate Zero first. Like imagine back when Fate Zero first came out and those fans said no you can't watch this new anime that came out until you watch Heaven's Feel first! They reply with okay so where can I watch Heaven's Feel? Their reply being oh it hasn't been made yet and we don't know how many years until it's out so nobody in the world should watch this anime it's viewership should be 0 😅

[@dennis9584]

No one said you need to watch heaven feel, especially back then, majority will say to straight up read the fucking visual novel. And back then Deen Stay Night is recommended quite often.

[@gantashiro978]

@dennis9584 That's no less dumb 😂 like imagine in 2011-2012 the first Fate anime made the Ufotable has come and then you're told no you're not allowed to watch this brand new anime until you read the 100 hour visual novel 😂😂 if people did that then the anime would've flopped with little to no ratings since everyone would either be busy playing the visual novel to catch up or just not watch it at all 😂 plus let's be real Fate/Zero is like the unofficial Season 1 to Fate Stay Night. Saying you can't watch Fate/Zero until going through Fate/Stay Night is like saying you can't watch the season 1 of this new anime because it spoils events in season 2 😂😂 how can a season 1 not spoil things to come in the following season that literally makes no sense

[@nelisezpasce]

@@gantashiro978 The F/Z anime is pretty good, but not even top 10 Type-Moon material. Its source material (light novel) arguably gets improved on the screen. Its manga adaptation is probably the worst version of them all, cursed. The VN's routes got nerfed hard on the anime adaptations. Shameful. In an alternate universe F/Z got butchered and ufotable dropped Fate. There would be no incentive to watch mediocre adaptations then. People would not bother with ufo's UBW and HF, which only look nice. When the incompetent adaptations encourage others to read, we win. The problems usually start with stubborn, ignorant anime defenders. It's a true fan's duty to call out mediocrity, not to blindly defend it.

[@gantashiro978]

@nelisezpasce Ummm, and what's your point? Did something I say hurt you? It really doesn't matter what you say. The overwhelming majority of anime fans aren't going to read a 100-hour visual novel because you tell them too 😂😂 so you might as well be talking to the wall. If we don't like the anime adaptation we're not gonna read the visual novel we're just gonna drop Fate and move on with our lives.

[@nelisezpasce]

​@@gantashiro978 My, have you moved on? Your words are cute, I can't help it. A few watchers disliked the adaptations too but still gave the VN a try. Definitely a minority but I'm glad they exist. You hopefully stay around, it's a lot of fun seeing you.

[@HitoHitoNoMiModelNika]

fate/zero is def the best place to start imo

[@azopeopaz3059]

personaly i think fate 2006 is way better that unilimited blade work zero is the worst starting point because it basicaly give not eplication and act like you know everythink make the show hard to follow for not good reaon i never understant why people ask to start by it

[@zeldojikkai4924]

Most people don't have hard time understanding what happen even when they start with zero and zero do explain what's happening

[@brotheris33]

If I had the power to go back in time to change the past, it would be to make sure that the fate zero anime never existed