TSMC plant hitting major road blocks

[@toy311383]

Taiwanese workers definitely is most skill than those workers in Arizona. TSMC’s big advantage and leading in manufacturing speaks all. Those are very dedicated chip not the dirt. People need to open their eyes and learn

[@mingtsyy7408]

This is best chance to learn how Taiwanese company become the world chips making giant and to see how they build their plants with speed and efficiency. Look at same time TSMC start build their first factory in Japan be totally different story compare in the US.

[@アランパーソンプロジェクト]

Learn ? 🤣🤣🤣. Why not just send American to Taiwan and learn? Stop kidding yourself , US is just trying to steal Taiwanese technology by force 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mgronich948]

Win - win for TSMC and Arizona? TSMC will lose money on this investment, big time. They agreed to build the Fab assuming billions in subsidies, but the conditions the US govt put on those subsidies resulted in TSMC (and Samsung) not applying for the subsidies. When (and if) the fab starts producing chips the production cost will be 2X higher than in Taiwan. Apple, Qualcom, Nvidia will refuse to pay the higher price. On top of that there is a glut of chips because China is ramping up production like there's no tomorrow. This glut will last 5+ years. Let's hope Ariz get something out of this because TSMC will lose its shirt. It doesn't help that many members of Congress will want to Bomb TSMC in Taiwan as soon as this fab is finished and producing chips.

[@melchizedek077]

I am not sure this is completely correct. TSMC did apply for the chips act it is just that the government hasn't paid out anything to anyone yet because they don't do anything fast. Ramping up production in chips it not like any other industry if they start it now the capacity will come online years later. I don't think TSMC will lose its shirt with the project. They are a very big company and the ecosystem for chips is well established in the area. A better question would be if TSMC will want to keep running it years from now when it needs upgrading.

[@阳春山水]

You are very smart

[@斷捨離-n1h]

!!!!! TSMC's Kumamoto fab in Japan is progressing well.... Mass production is expected in the end of 2024 ,and Profits are expected in 2025.... i think that advanced/hightech chips manufacturing in US is lmao stupid , its no advantage at all ....

[@有事說事-p5m]

Asians do things very efficiently! American workers have too many demands; See how Japan's tsmc progresses quickly!

[@dohminkonoha3200]

Minimum wage worker in NY can require more money than Japanese university graduated worker. Why in US?

[@TedAlba-v8p]

Bring in 25,000 foriegn workers seems reasonable these days in USA.

[@yttrailerparknews]

Oh absolutely and their families. Also while eliminating union jobs. Sounds about right.

[@DK-yz9xk]

Lmao these americans Calling the tsmc workers less Skilled is hilarious as compared to the americans 😂😂😂

[@crisis-_0]

And yet TSMC came to America for our customer demand, and market opportunity tsmc was considered forced to set up a factory in the United States because of political considerations and to bring advanced microchip production closer to the United States and away from any potential standoff with China. TSMC still had to make a decision on where they want their next plant to be outside of Taiwan anddd they chose The U.S and complain about it lol

[@DK-yz9xk]

@@crisis-_0 lmao you just mention they were forced 😂, which you are right. They are already complaining that y’all lack skilled workers in America, meaning y’all suck big time. We don’t care bro but the fact is this tsmc is just pulling themselves backwards, trying to cater to y’all lazy fat and soft, allowing their competitors more room to catch up.

[@JacobHYoungEAJake]

@@crisis-_0 Then, send them back to Taiwan.

[@exterminator4808]

Totally true! 😂 American workers with their sloppy work techniques, laziness and excuses calling Asian workers less skilled! 😂 The irony! The only thing they are good at are loitering around and having lunch breaks and coffee breaks.

[@aucontraire1986]

Our country our workers.

[@NubRusty]

Pretty much every large construction project runs into delays. The original price of the build and the original timeline are NEVER accurate.

[@MrSpiritmonger]

This is why nobody makes in America anymore, mediocrity and delays are built into a culture of laziness and apathy

[@yttrailerparknews]

The point is, they’re giving away American jobs to the Taiwanese and eliminating union positions. That’s the point of the story.

[@tiefblau2780]

What? TSMC are from Taiwan and You Replace with Less Skilled Taiwanese? Huh Isnt it the Other way Not enough skilled Worker in America? What has Arizona have experience in Semiconductor? Before? NO!

[@MrSpiritmonger]

@@tiefblau2780 bro, TSMC is so far ahead of Intel, it's not even funny. their talent is on a different level, that's why US labor isn't enough, they need to bring Taiwanese over.

[@chillxxx241]

Local government is trying to get their “cut” of the money.

[@JonStark]

Just admit it, Arizona chosen site is stupid. Why not build the plant in Georgia, Mississippi, or Louisiana with high water resource? Also, labor in those states could be rectified from strong Midwest states with highly skilled labor force in auto/basic manufacturing. Building the plant in Arizona was a signal it was never going to be a big player plant world scale. It is also hard to put skilled labor in Arizona when the surrounding states are large swathes of barren land. The whole plan is a joke. I don't expect it to be anything but a handicap porcelain pet project meant to show US ingenuity when it all proves is how dumb leadership is in this country.

[@2005Phillip]

Southern states? You know those states lack an educated work force, just a bunch of rednecks. Arizona always ranks above those states when it comes to most business and livability metrics.

[@grandmaster9982]

Shame on the American!!

[@vlhc4642]

You know, "strengthen American leadership in microchips" doesn't really fit the reality that America desperately need TSMC to build something Americans don't know how to build. Also the person you rely on for something isn't the best person to ask for help in reducing reliance on that person.

[@Chevymonster203]

The technology that TSMC uses was originally US tech that the original founder learned at Texas Instruments when he worked there. The US can easily make the same chips, the problem is it isn't cost effective to make them here. It's easier to give TSMC the blueprint for the chip you need and have them make it at a lower cost, allows better profit margins and lower cost to the consumer. US priced itself out of the industry

[@vlhc4642]

@@Chevymonster203 Lower cost? TSMC is the most expensive fab in the world buddy, they're most expensive because they're the only one who can make 3nm right now. Texas Instrument is the cheap fab with low end tech... US can barely make "7nm" chips right now with "Intel 7", and even Intel themselves like all other American firms has to pay TSMC a huge premium to fab chips smaller than 7nm. And that's just wafers, America is even more behind in packaging, America is history's biggest display of Dunning Kruger effect right now.

[@melchizedek077]

@@vlhc4642 It may be very expensive but Taiwan subsidies the company like no other so it gives the the foundry a huge advantage against its competitors.

[@stanleywalus9771]

Did this initially start under Ducey

[@mikeanderson9266]

The Governor Hobbs is failing to help! Trump brought TWMC to Arizona.

[@spadeds10]

They are not paying workers. The company I worked for along with numerous other companies are leaving due to non payment.

[@matthewyoungsoonam]

As long as this bs doesn't affect the stock, ignorance is bliss.

[@cain1314]

We can't get out of our own way, we need to build this plant and become less reliant on Taiwan based chips. The most high end chips I believe are designed in the US, but made in Taiwan.

[@interesting7528]

Serious question. If union workers are 'so skilled' how come they need extortion to stay employed?

[@MrSpiritmonger]

The US is paying thru their nose to access Taiwanese technology, if US unions could do it, they already would have done it, wouldnt need foreign investment

[@Thephilpw99]

And the Union workers think like this, since they had built Intel's 14nm factory, that's enough skill to built TSMC's 5nm factory. Well, good luck with that !

[@vlhc4642]

TSMC is saying they can't find enough skilled workers, i.e. American workers are too dumb Of course per Dunning Kruger the dumb workers think very highly of themselves.

[@MrSpiritmonger]

@@Thephilpw99 yep, 5nm factory is so much more advanced than Intel's past factories.

[@digitaldystopian]

Where will all of the toxic waste go? Will they ship that back to Taiwan for packaging also?

[@yttrailerparknews]

Better yet they can use it to water the alfalfa fields that we sold out to the Saudis lol. Kidding not kidding kind of kidding.

[@smalltownvoice1]

Doom to fail.

[@arklinmike]

This project is remarkably important. Not just for Arizona, but for the US and other western and western-minded countries. TSMC produce chips using a process they developed. Many chips including those made by Intel and AMD using what is known as an "11 nanometer" process. TSMC chips utilize a "7 nanometer" process, which allows them to put many more transistors on a single chip. Their chips are integrated into a wide range of items from cars to computers, and they also make up the "chipset" on the main board of PC's. They're remarkably important to our technology, and right now they're made in Taiwan, and They may be "nationalized" by mainland china. By "moving" Taiwanese labor here we're essentially granting amnesty to a bunch of folks REALLY important to the project, and it may end up being crucial to our retaining this technology for the US and others. I've never been in a Union, but have indeed benefitted from their good efforts. 👍 But Union brothers and sisters need to work with them to insure the future of projects like this one, not just for putting bread on the table, but for maintaining access to an important, integral technology that benefits everyone. -My two cents...

[@Thephilpw99]

The Union is rejecting the workers from Taiwan, who actually built advanced chip factories, by claiming the US workers are more skillful. Well, you can argue that for years, but it will only cause more delays.

[@delta-theoryarizona4256]

Bro he copy and pasted an A i response on to youtube comments lol

[@delta-theoryarizona4256]

​@@Thephilpw99😂

[@digitaldystopian]

Go home.

[@nihonyoung379]

"nationalized" by mainland china ? The problem is now bullied by USA !

[@saucyiwnl]

We love taiwan and hope to have a good alliance with them, we love the tsmc chips maybe we can learn the advance packaging and make arizona a good hot spot for wages with the innovation of tech there

[@Salma_Nella]

Labor unions in AZ? 😂😂😂

[@stanleywalus9771]

Migrant workers.

[@thuydoan7496]

Americans, I implore you to set your differences aside and learn how TSMC has become successful. Learn all that you can learn, then use that skill to better yourselves in the future, if not with TSMC, then elsewhere like Intel microchip manufacturing.

[@davidliu5388]

TSMC has totally different working culture, they using 100% obeying workers with relatives very low pay. USA workers won’t fit in either of those…

[@stanleywalus9771]

thEy use workers who like going to work and getting paid. Not those who spend all day trying to stop the job from progressing. No one ever talks about union sabotage. The union type who think they are the only ones who do quality work. More like piece work.

[@adimart2214]

Oh but if Trump had done this he'd be saying how historic this was and how your grandchildren and their grandchildren will remember this moment and think "Trump" then he'd be calling himself the greatest president in history.....oh wait he already does🤣 jokes aside it's amazing how he wasn't smart enough to bring this massive industry back to America.

[@thuydoan7496]

Actually, President Trump was the man who called Foxconn CEO to help bring in TSMC to America. Biden was lucky to become president during this time to steal the show.

[@stanleywalus9771]

Deal was put in place on Nov 2020. Trump was still president. Meaning this plant was being negotiated before the first democratic debate.

[@hyena8385]

honestly is it any frickin wonder why this hasn't happened before in the U. S.? If this was Apple in China there would have been a red carpet, no complaints, no hoo ha negative drama . And that would have been for an assembly plant with lower paid workers not a cutting edge $gazillion 5nm chip fab. Let's face it without the political pressure it wouldn't even have occurred. Some people in the U. S. just really act like divas sometimes. Goes with the ultra woke generation I suppose.

[@scoopnoodle5492]

They treat their workers bad and the site is a osha violation payday for the person that goes into the AZ building I was working in the fab and I see a big gas cylinder of argon a chemical that freezes things as far as I seen n it had a flexible thin pipe going into a new tool hold on and that pipe was going across a walk way held up by a string from the harness that the people use for fixing things up high I couldn’t believe it not only that but theirs lots of safety biohazard chemicals that are just spilled n the rooms aren’t close well n not ventilated well yet

[@stanleywalus9771]

A real job killer OSHA. Every time they arrived on site, we shut job down and had a safety meeting. The onlyn thingnthey were good at was handing out fines. No one working - no fines.

[@jsvalina3503]

Well thats a bunch of politics and ignorance.

[@sampowers2886]

Nevermind the union, Taiwan owned company making microchips here in AZ and Noone see anything wrong with this.

[@jl-rt5it]

Please do your research. TSMC makes chips for Apple, Qualcomm, AMD, Broadcom, NVIDIA, MediaTek, Intel, Marvell, NXP and Unisoc. Most of these companies do not operate chip fabs any more and do not want to, only Intel is still constructing wafer and chip fabs. These chips are used in pretty much everything, including US military hardware. If China invades Taiwan, the US and the world are in big hurt. Taiwan is a key US ally. Would you rather them make the chips in Taiwan or in the US where they would provide US jobs?

[@tomnguyen9931]

Yea, just let the rest of the world do advance things and we here in the US just made toys for children!!!

[@sampowers2886]

Not when my America is trying to say American made and tiawan owned what kind of chit is that, thats not right then you dont want to pay American union wages that nothing against you brilliant Tiawanese but can't be allowed thats hypocrisy

[@sampowers2886]

Make all the toys you want this is American issue

[@MrSpiritmonger]

​​@@jl-rt5it. 90% of the world's chips are 7nm and larger. This fab only makes 5nm and smaller, so Taiwan can go Ukraine fate, it wouldn't matter

[@suckmemore]

Hilarious!