Did McDavid’s legacy take a hit after Game 7 loss?| OverDrive - Hour 2 - 06/24/2024

Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan are joined by TSN Hockey analyst Mike Johnson to discuss the Ottawa Senators acquiring Linus Ullmark from the Boston Bruins, the Florida Panthers winning the Stanley Cup, can the Oilers takeaway anything from the loss, how can Maple Leafs learn from watching the Cup Final, the market for top defence in free agency and how much certain players could get this offseason and more. They also play OverDrive favourite Confirm or Deny to wrap up an abbreviated edition of the show.

[@Nay-kp6uu]

I'm not a huge Sid fan but he does things McDavid doesn't do. Not that he can't, but he doesn't do it. Sid will play like the best grinder ever or score impossible backhanders.

[@KillJoy323]

Same thing could be said about mcdavids offensive numbers vs sid. Sid barely scored 50 and never had 100 assists in one season.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

AND most importantly - he took less salary to be able to be surrounded by as good of a supporting cast as possible - and it paid off for him that has always been the signature of Crosby's greatness to me

[@frankpropri540]

I'll take Crosby Any day

[@robertdaly4074]

Nay- kp6uu - Lol. That's the most ludicrous statement I've ever heard. Seek some help ASAP !!

[@WW3_Soon]

Sid the Kid is a complete 200-ft player deserving of being the captain. McDavid rarely backchecks.

[@jaysonj9327]

You can't have a "legacy" in any team sport without winning a championship. Does anyone care that Marcel Dionne scored more points than Mario Lemieux and Sidney Crosby? Does anyone who follows basketball care that Karl Malone scored more points than Bill Russell and Larry Bird. Without winning a Cup McDavid only will have accolades not a legacy.

[@AdamMCrawford]

Dionne is a way worse player than Lemiuex or Crosby though... If he was on their level and was disregarded because of no Cups that would be one thing, but he is nowhere near the players those guys are (especially Lemieux). Dionne won zero MVPs in his career, and 1 Art Ross (that he should have lost). He was not an all-time great like McDavid is. McDavid has 5 Art Rosses and 3 MVPs, there is only 3 players in history with at least those totals: Gretzky, Lemieux and Howe, aka the 3 best forwards in history. He is in a completely different league than Dionne. Having no Cups is about the only thing they have in common.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

@@AdamMCrawford not dissing him just spitting facts - but if you ask anyone who watched or played with Dionne and they will tell you - he played for the name on the back not on the front. no question he was phenomenal at generating points especially considering his size but he never played like winning championships mattered he wanted $ and stats

[@dangraesser5341]

I would love to hear them talk about what Matthews legacy will be...because that guy will never win a cup.

[@MisterMister5893]

You sure?

[@zachlesk5685]

@@MisterMister5893as a certified oilers hater mcdavid hater he’s got more talent in his pinky finger than the leafs have in their entire lineup

[@frankpropri540]

He's not the Canadian messiah. and he's and Americans player

[@jamesnewman48]

They say the same thing with anyone who doesn’t win a cup.

[@Woody13ify]

Who’s naming this yt vids there’s two hour 2’s for the same date, and can I find bloody hour one anywhere 🤔🙄😤🤬

[@TylerKTanaka]

What legacy? He hasn’t won anything yet 🤦‍♂️

[@ge2655h20]

And he won't. He's cursed. His pitiful "unintentional" carving of a young, upcoming star's face, which has gone without any repercussion, will not be forgiven. As long as Quinn Hughes has that scar, the hockey gods will not allow 97 to win the ultimate prize.

[@JW-km3by]

Welcome to the real hour 2...

[@morgangentle1515]

No ,,, it doesn’t ,,,, maybe if Florida wasn’t there the year prior , or they didn’t have the team and coach they had , and if they didn’t have the vet bob ski then yes but ,,, here me out ,, I believe that Florida deserved that cup and I don’t believe it hurts Davos legacy one ayota, Connor is just becoming his full size as a man now not a young 19 year old he’s filling in stronger then ever , his team mates are beauties , I believe they will take the cup this year ,,, you can’t deny this group they play a tenacious game skilled or not they are in the battles unlike marner lmao

[@bradbash2006]

Hayes point was, if McDavid does go without a championship, then you will always say "that guy was one of, if not the best player ever... but he never won." That is a huge thing when it comes to legacy.

[@MisterMister5893]

We're already saying that about a lot of players like Lindros, Kariya, etc.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

yeah well if that is the case - you can not bother with the first part ( being the best ever) if he never wins a championship - he still has some more kicks at the can hopefully the new management in Edmonton can figure out that roster and clean up Holland's mess for McDavid's sake

[@WW3_Soon]

The same went with Mike Gartner.

[@greencrack20]

I saw his picture on a milk jug

[@waltercruz3832]

McDavid could be the Dan Marino of the NHL. 🤔

[@AdamMCrawford]

*if Dan Marino was 100x better than he actually was

[@lAmCanad1an]

Fantasy draft, you got 1st overall pick, who you picking TSN?

[@DB-gr7ch]

Did TSN's legacy just take a hit after asking this nonsense?

[@stewdumplings7847]

The Con Smith winner takes a hit really? Why post thumbnails so dumb. Mathews can't win a playoff round or even have a pulse if your looking for a trash legacy.

[@people3865]

Odd, I remember a series win recently

[@randychase305]

*Conn* *Matthews* *you're* You should probably just stick to emojis ...

[@nolankuffner3573]

​@@randychase305it's ok. He's just sad he sold his Oilers merch after their crappy start and had to buy new stuff when they got better. Bandwagon fans are always the most defensive.

[@stewdumplings7847]

@nolankuffner3573 life time Leafs fan Notre Damas.

[@stewdumplings7847]

@randychase305 your in the you tube comment section spell checking.

[@rickrobitaille8809]

The season must 😂be over ✔🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@rickrobitaille8809]

MJ 😁🇨🇦✔

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Strud is awesome 😁🇨🇦

[@vito9674]

Dumb question ! Did GRETZKY'S take a hit when they were not winning the cup ? or with the Rangers ? ! NO NO NO ! Great is Great !

[@SCAMDEMIC2023]

Gretzky already won cups by that point. 😂

[@marxxofomniscience3713]

@@SCAMDEMIC2023did lemieux’s take a hit? no, he’s consistently debated as the second greatest player of all time in NHL history. yet, it took him 8 years to win his first. people look at the great 8 and say the same thing

[@SCAMDEMIC2023]

@@marxxofomniscience3713 Did Lemieux ever lose a game 7 in a cup final?

[@chelious1973]

@@marxxofomniscience3713Actually his 7th year. Not 8th. He won his second in his 8th. No it didn't take a hit because he actually won. Twice.

[@KevinJL]

Max Talbot and Phil Kessel saved Crosby's legacy

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Oilers need WHAT😁✔🇨🇦

[@rickrobitaille8809]

😂🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@KeyllanBearss-xw3nv]

Yeah he sucks

[@RajBauer]

These guys are pathetic about mcdavid to the laffs Acting like if he won then he and Drai would leave with their feeble hopes he will go to Toronto and save that trash franchise. Why would those two leave oil country after the love that was shown to them, if they won the cup they would be gods this year and would get paid and treated even more like royalty here. Such a stupid take by desperate Laffs fanboys on the show lol

[@KevinJL]

He's going to Chicago

[@robertdaly4074]

You need help

[@shivakrishnarama]

Yawn! McBaby isn't a two way player, he's not even close to being a complete hockey player. If he ever developed a legit one timer he could get upgraded to the Greatest OFFENSIVE PLAYER of all time. McDavid is Mike Modano on steroids with a dash of Gretzky's playmaking.

[@Alexcalderam]

that's one of the worst takes I've ever read..

[@shivakrishnarama]

@@Alexcalderam Problem is, you probably can't even stand on hockey skates, so why are you even talking?

[@rickrobitaille8809]

😂🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@KevinJL]

McDavid to Chicago with other Conor

[@Dylligraphy]

Bedard got benched in the World Cup 😭Hawks staying in the cellar for a decade 😭

[@BobsUruncle-dl7cs]

Connor Mcvechkin

[@streetdog75]

How does Hayes even have a job here? Is his daddy the CEO of TSN? Dude's so clueless about everything.

[@steverapos3904]

Yeah a little - 0 points in game 6 and 7. A cup and McDavid might have shot above Sid, but without the cup it is hard to put him ahead of Sid

[@Mr_Torgue]

I don’t know why everyone is acting like it’s over for him. He’s still a young guy and has plenty of years ahead of him in the league.

[@freddo6941]

It will be his 10th season next year. He's almost 30. Yes, he's still in his prime, but you only get so many chances. The greats that he's compared to all won Cups by the time they were his age. Gretzky was in LA and done winning Cups by his 10 season. Crosby won his 2nd Cup in his 11th. At this point, I think McDavid only wins 1 Cup and it might not even be with the Oilers. Normally that would be fine, but when you consider his caliber you kind of expect more.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

He has taken 10 years to get to this point - and look at the cap situation his team is in to get to this point - the team's future is not brighter . Ken Holland gave some very generous contracts to players that are very overvalued for a long time, they have to devote a huge $ to Draisatl or lose him -and that is a tough call

[@paullacroix527]

Yes it did and I think he wants out. He wants to go home to his beloved Leafs. He would look so good in a Leaf jersey.

[@schustererik83]

All washed up in his late 20s. . . . . .lol

[@markusylitalo8376]

As a couch GM I stand my ground. Edm and Tor are not that far away from each other cnstruction wise. The difference is more about tactics and how you play the team. As we saw at best Oilers play. But still the bottom 6 lines didn't give help apart from short times. 5-6 D shouldn't even make the team. Skinner was good enough (Kuemper likes) to win but that needs better scoring. If you took away Drai and McD from Oilers, that team would have absolutely nothing, NOTHING! That's the impact they have in this team. Where as Panthers stars Barkov/Bennet didn't need to score every night as they got help from others. I'm confused how badly Holland built the D core Bouch, Ekholm and Broberg fits the bill but Ceci, Deharnais...awful. Nurse was liability very big parts of the finals. As was Ekblad as well with badly timed pinches at times.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

No question - without those two - Oilers don't make the playoffs and Zach Hyman is a very good player but not a 50 goal scorer without playing with those two

[@Alcan196]

Man Brian Hayes gas some bad takes. Individual impact is nuch higher in the NFL Quarterback play the entire offence........

[@leonrenaud9935]

Ya who you pickin ??

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Stop 😂Hayes no never quit😁🇨🇦

[@KillJoy323]

Not a chance, gretzky and crosby lost in their first cup final appearance. In a worse fashion to boot.

[@gorgeousgeorge5173]

You can pick McDavid, or anyone else in your dream team. Who you picking?

[@mrreggin1]

Corey Perry

[@SgtHawk13]

matthews

[@jamesdimas-ew8fd]

Kucherov.

[@smaug1234]

exactly, great is great.

[@KevinJL]

Nate Dog

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Sad 😂✔🇨🇦

[@KevinJL]

Devils will do it before Leafs will

[@Dylligraphy]

Keefe sucks and will get all the Wes Macauley penalties called against you in the playoffs

[@Julio-v1c]

Incredibly stupid that the Conn SMythe was determined after Game 5. Shows how clueless the media is. He won on statistics - even though statistics do not equate to winning...Winning is the objective, remember? Not your hockey pool...Barkov is your MVP for his two way play, for being his team's best player in EVERY series, and shutting McDavid down in 5 of 7 games.

[@user-cf1se1kk5x]

Funny how he ghosted in the final 2 most important games of his career and Bobrovsky suddenly became a wall again. Funny how Florida had only 4000 fans going to their games a few short years ago. Funny how the NHL is a business first and foremost. Funny how things turn out sometimes.

[@vito9674]

Funny how you sound like Alex Jones on acid and Meth not that he needs it ! Now that's FUNNY !

[@user-cf1se1kk5x]

@@vito9674 I know it hurts to think sometimes. Think about it.

[@nhynyx]

Funny how some ppl have iq's under 91. Funny how they think they're smart, but aren't. Funny and sad.

[@randydonovan7844]

Funny how the panthers started to get good and then people showed up to games

[@user-cf1se1kk5x]

@@randydonovan7844 if the Oilers won , the Panthers fan base would disappear overnight. South Florida is a sports saturated market. Enjoy your “gift”

[@Fredphlegm]

So when he wins a cup (and he will) does the legacy hit go away? There isn't if you ask me. He is only the 2nd forward in league history to win a Conn Smythe. Answer is an emphatic NO

[@appletile2887]

Sid the kid has always found that special something to draw from for the big games, just like Orr and Lemieux. McDavid is so gifted with talent and in this latest run for the cup he was doing this in games 4 and 5. Then nothing. When everything was on the line he didn't bring that extra. McDavid deserved the Conn Symthe trophy for his performance throughout the playoffs....no doubt. But this was McDavid's chance to elevate his status to be another piller in the GOAT category like Orr and Lemieux who dominated the game anytime he was on the ice. McDavid even surpassed 2 of Gretzky's records in a time when scoring goals is much harder than when Gretzky accomplished his feat. McDavid has been around long enough to be compared to Crosby and hasn't quite done it, Sid has 3 Cups & 2 Conn Smythe trophies to his name, McDavid is still so far away.

[@AdamMCrawford]

Crosby was mediocore in several big spots during his career. People love to come up with false memories of him being some sort of cutch playoff player. 2009 when he won his 1st Cup. He had 0 points in 5 out of the 7 games, he had 0 points in games 5, 6 & 7 as the Penguins closed out a stacked Detroit team. His "finding somthing special" = getting carried by Malkin. McDavid is a far more clutch playoff performer than Crosby ever was.

[@coryjohn4057]

Lol. If he retired today. Then yes. He is still young. Legacies are never measured in the middle. TSN takes a hit of credibility with these dumb topics.

[@danb239]

Jake Walman "pretty good player for 2nd rounder". Yzerman didn't get anything back he gave up the pick to get rid of him apparently

[@ozzydo2314]

Nearly half of Florida's roster were sabres players in the past few years. Sabres are the leagues best feeder team.

[@debroselle8877]

CONNOR MCDAVID!!!!!!!

[@johnzagar6177]

Alberta has no PST but Toronto and Vancouver does, if you are looking at taxes why is Toronto and Vancouver more appealing than the Alberta teams?

[@MisterMister5893]

Probably paying more upfront.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

God what is wrong with you people ? taxes are going to be generated - it is a necessity of life - if they don't take it from income they get it from someplace else - like higher sales tax or infinite number of other ways to collect money to pay for public services . The idea that these people are making major life decisions based on how they are being taxed is idiotic

[@streetdog75]

Sales tax is one of the most regressive taxes out there. They hurt you less the more you make. It's a non-factor for millionaires.

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Skinner is ours😁🇨🇦

[@SCAMDEMIC2023]

Yes

[@WW3_Soon]

McDavid had 0 point in Games 6 and 7 and Draisitl scored 0 goal in the 7-game Cup Final. These two big guns didn’t get it done!

[@hockeyfan7100]

If Woll can't stay injury free, (and I doubt he will) the Leafs are screwed. They're screwed anyway without making MAJOR defensive changes.

[@bjornyesterday8362]

Answer…..no!!!!! Move on

[@Wuce_Brayne]

What a dumb headline

[@jagad496tv7]

Mantab luar biasa

[@KevinJL]

666k lol

[@mikebaichoo576]

McDavid without a cup will not be a Top 5 a time

[@Tyler-ml6ip]

Not even top 20

[@smaug1234]

@@Tyler-ml6ip I think your nuts, look at the number of players with little to no skill that have their names on the cup just because they played on the right teams. McDavid is top 4 imo regardless if he gets a cup or not.

[@wainber1]

@@smaug1234 Furthermore McDavid is a Cup finalist, something he can be proud of having accomplished on a team that'd had such serious flaws that I hadn't seen a Cup appearance as likely particularly after the way via which they'd lost their 2023 conference semifinal to the Golden Knights.

[@BLUNTMAN187]

@@smaug1234 😂

[@KevinJL]

Wow he's not even close to being finished

[@rickrobitaille8809]

So excited 🇨🇦🇺🇸thankyou ODOG 😁🇨🇦

[@nolankuffner3573]

Congrats, Hayes! Canada takes Peru, 1-0! 🎉

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Think you're wrong about this😁🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@rickrobitaille8809]

My grandfather was like this😂✔🇨🇦🔥

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Ok 😂Bob had two trophies 😂🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@rickrobitaille8809]

10 commandments latter😂🔥🇨🇦🌐

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Leave us a little meat on the 😂bone🇨🇦

[@rickrobitaille8809]

I'm looking for a dime 😂🔥🇨🇦

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Yes🇨🇦😁still hurting here🔥

[@rickrobitaille8809]

😂💰🇨🇦🇺🇸🔥

[@SgtHawk13]

connor mcdoodle

[@rickrobitaille8809]

😁🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@rickrobitaille8809]

MJ loosing it😁✔🇨🇦

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Hayes we got it😁🇨🇦🌐

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Ohdog 😂🔥🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Big guy🇨🇦✔😁

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Yes😂🔥🇨🇦

[@rickrobitaille8809]

Hayes ✔🇨🇦😁

[@rickrobitaille8809]

😁🇨🇦ok

[@rickrobitaille8809]

No idea why I'm here 😂🇨🇦

[@Johnny-Rock-Star]

Give someone else a chance man. Way too many comments every episode. You ok ?

[@rickrobitaille8809]

🔥😂🇨🇦🇺🇸LFG

[@Tyler-ml6ip]

He's not even top 20 for me. How can you put him top five when he choked in game 7? Canadian media is funny sometimes. My top 20 off the top of my head. 1 Wayne Gretzky, 2 Bobby Orr, 3 Mario Lemieux, 4 Sidney Crosby, 5 Alexander Ovechkin, 6 Steve Yzerman, 7 Sergei Fedorov, 8 Pavel Bure, 9 Gordie Howe, 10 Nicklas Lidström, 11 Peter Forsberg, 12 Mike Bossy, 13 Jaromír Jágr, 14 Joe Sakic, 15 Cale Makar, 16 Nathan MacKinnon, 17 Teemu Selänne, 18 Victor Hedman, 19 Chris Chelios, 20 Ray Bourque

[@LucFox35]

I want what you're smoking. Fedorov 7th??? What?

[@Tyler-ml6ip]

@@LucFox35 greatest two way player ever

[@Johnny-Rock-Star]

Messier ? Belliveau ? Clarke ? Toews ? Kane ? Esposito ? Roy ? Hasek ? Brodeur ? D Potvin ? Dennis Savard ? Kurri ? Coffey ? Hull ? Dionne ? Chara ?

[@Tyler-ml6ip]

@@Johnny-Rock-Star goalies you can put in wherever but the others I wouldn't put in over anyone on my list

[@KevinJL]

Lmao that list Bourque 20?!!!

[@notrussianbot7318]

97's legacy grows, he's shown himself to be a great leader and player. He will win a cup.

[@andybuick-tf9vz]

Nothing in game 7 and biggest whiner and poor sport for sure....quite a legacy ....oh yeah ....he did win a cup ....McCupless was just too good to come out to accept it ...pathetic

[@rickrobitaille8809]

If you stop for a second and think about this the Oilers are just reaching their prime 😁🇨🇦🇺🇸