Tsoding writes in C, but doesn't regard performance highly. Tsoding is an immensely experienced Haskell programmer, but doesn't like complicated abstractions) This person is enigma
@moussaadem793310 ай бұрын
He loves simple languages like hare but he complains the standard libraries don't handle window management
@denoww926110 ай бұрын
I can't speak for him but I think he values C for its simplicity more than its performance.
@elgalas10 ай бұрын
@@denoww9261 I think he did say that once, on a Rust stream, can't remember which one though, I think he was printing trees
@JaimePascual10 ай бұрын
Do not mistake complicated by unnecessary abstractions. The only code that never fails is the one you never write.
@oserodal27028 ай бұрын
IDK how to gauge this guy on what he actually thinks about modern programming languages. Like, for example, he's okay with Rust, but not Cargo and the Rust ecosystem at large, and would rather use rustc and Makefiles to build Rust. Maybe he's not heard of Go, but I'd imagine he probably dislikes the abstractions the language has, maybe even more so than in Rust or Haskell, or maybe programming in Go is just not as fun compared to C.
@mobod682210 ай бұрын
I'm gonna add watching this video to my CV for that google interview in 5 years
@varshneydevansh10 ай бұрын
How to crack FAANG one step closer
@nuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuh-f6q10 ай бұрын
tsoding is coding in hair so that he doesnt go bald again
@boogly371610 ай бұрын
spilt my capatea on tshirt
@Sahil-a-vim-user10 ай бұрын
Wild
@glowiak343010 ай бұрын
He won't as long as he does not code in haskell
@sinamobasheri10 ай бұрын
:|
@cipher0110 ай бұрын
Dayum bro
@sfulibarri10 ай бұрын
Finding this channel has made programming fun for me again. The bit at ~56:00 is such a good example of persistence and learned intuition paying off. I spent all of my uni days and and early career believing that the source code of languages and production grade tools were the domain of strange people with beards and tall pointy hats who lived in the basements of places like MIT. My early instructors and mentors simply failed to indicate to me that if I wanted to know more about a thing I could read its source and even build one. Its very motivational and just a lot of fun to watch this person dive in to all these different things, learning a lot, pushing through frustration, and most importantly, have a great time. I am grateful that he chooses to share it with all of us.
@rupen4210 ай бұрын
Honestly, "C with namespaces" is already a great selling point.
@Maagiicc10 ай бұрын
So did "C with classes," and look where that's ended up
@portersky10 ай бұрын
@@Maagiicc Have you seen GObject from glib? That shit be wild.
@delibellus10 ай бұрын
@@Maagiicc that wasn't the only thing that made c++ so bad, and the rest aren't present in the development of hare
@oxey_10 ай бұрын
C with raii, generics and namespaces would be bussin
@dnkreative10 ай бұрын
Namespaces are actually BAD
@Ash-qp2yw10 ай бұрын
Learning how a library works by grepping around and reading the source code is a really useful skill -- I started a new job about a month ago and I've been basically learning how to use their primary library through a combination of grepping around, using breakpoints to see whats happening, and reading docstrings, and primarily the former. It's so good!
@bearwolffish9 ай бұрын
Once you can learn like this you are free to explore where you want.
@joesenenfelder68310 ай бұрын
CONGRATULATIONS ON 100,000 SUBSCRIBERS!!!!!! GOOD JOB! YOU ARE GOAT. BIG FACTS!!!!! Seriously appreciate your content.
@Heater-v1.0.010 ай бұрын
I totally sympathise. Work sucks. I can only tolerate it if it is a programming project that fascinates me and actually has some useful purpose in the world. My current solution to this problem is to work with a few friends on a start up company doing things we have a passion for. The money sucks but at least we are not shackled to drudgery. Life is short, the is no time to waste working on meaningless tasks to make money for someone else
@OneMilian10 ай бұрын
Agree, i was fascinated with electronics my whole life and I always worked unrelated jobs, I always hated it. Having Aspergers makes it even harder to work jobs with no passion around people who dont hide the fact that they dont like me because im an exentric nerd
@spacewad874510 ай бұрын
More power to you 💪 But with sick parents to look after in a country with no public healthcare, i am willing to sell my soul if the pay is well
@Heater-v1.0.010 ай бұрын
@@spacewad8745 No, no, more power to you. I know what is to be in that kind of situation. Wishing you manage to find work that is satisfying and fulfilling as well as essential for you.
@Heater-v1.0.010 ай бұрын
@@OneMilian That is a shame. So many places I have worked where people had passion for what they were doing and eccentric nerds were almost a majority. A lot of fun. It does so depress me though to work with people who have no passion for what they are doing, don't care what it does or what it is for. Just doing the hours and taking the salary with no pride or joy.
@dawidkotlinski10 ай бұрын
"make money for someone else" implies being a business owner is easy (after all, other people make money for you), but before that phrase you said money sucks when working in your own company, How so?
@logyross688310 ай бұрын
You should try Odin too. Its literally in your name!
@PRIMARYATIAS10 ай бұрын
And it gives Raylib bindings directly with it, So no need to figure out how to link C stuff right away, Also it has Jai like syntax.
@iWillAvert10 ай бұрын
19:30 I would absolutely watch that! That's along the lines of how I am trying to approach learning programming and it has been helpful. I have at least hit a point now where I can write relatively competently in multiple languages and can understand what's going on in many others. You're definitely right; once you begin to understand programming, you can learn any language. It's all just syntax and built-in features.
@lievenpetersen10 ай бұрын
I'm really glad you left your story about how you make money in the vod, it was really nice to hear that :)
@TheFailOrNot10 ай бұрын
The hare devs really missed out on an opportunity with the file extension. I mean it could have been *.bun ...
@ryansanta10 ай бұрын
I would 100% watch that course. I might even pay something reasonable, but I'm not rly one to pay unless it provides something better than reading docs, youtube, and creating problem/solution projects from scratch. Your content is already extremely helpful for the overall programming mindset. I'm finally able to see a language for the first time and understand what's going on, and your thought patterns over multiple languages/projects has been essential. Thank you!
@dmytro.sereda10 ай бұрын
Tsoding, I'm voting for Odin lang! Try it please.
10 ай бұрын
I second this!
@adammontgomery79808 ай бұрын
Hahaha, this is exactly what he was yelling about. The language doesn't matter; the same concepts apply across languages.
@raiguard10 ай бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed messing with hare, it's a shame that I can't use it for anything serious. It's such a fun little language! I wrote a small text editor using it.
@TsodingDaily10 ай бұрын
A text editor sounds pretty serious to me.
@waltherstolzing971910 ай бұрын
@@TsodingDaily It's only for writing jokes. Syntax highlighting for punchlines; that sort of thing.
@grawlixes10 ай бұрын
@@TsodingDaily not if it only supports comic sans
@-ciii-10 ай бұрын
"the role of optimizing compilers in the majority of applications is kinda overrated" well said, loving it.
@vinicius_xor_eax_eax10 ай бұрын
the selling point of this language for me was the support on Windows: NO support and no plans for it
@YahyaFalcon10 ай бұрын
I guess that's a selling point if you're a free software purist
@androth150210 ай бұрын
it's a selling point if you want to use a programming language that will never be widely adopted.
@flatrute10 ай бұрын
But it does not stop someone from forking/implementing the compiler for the language for Windows, yes?
@YahyaFalcon10 ай бұрын
@@flatrute yes, Case in point: there is a third party port to MacOS, a proprietary operating system.
@maxrinehart417710 ай бұрын
Not really, that would mean it would never become mainstream and gain attraction. Windows used by a lot of people and corporations, supporting it would put this language ahead of tons other new programming languages.
@matheuscapitani470110 ай бұрын
I would 100% buy the general programing course
@krzysztof_marciniak10 ай бұрын
Especially if it's done in Tsoding way. Give it a try, please.
@glowiak343010 ай бұрын
I like its compiler being named Харек :)
@ЕвгенийКожевников-я3я10 ай бұрын
@@remondrkferret. With intentional misspelling. So rather something like ferrit.
@micoberss557910 ай бұрын
Хорёк 😂
@dieSpinnt10 ай бұрын
(During the first steps with QBE, meaning: compiling) "Can your LLVM do that? Your LLVM lies in shambles!", Tsoding 2024. I love you for that!:)
@demolazer8 ай бұрын
Interesting take on abstractions. My dad has been a dev/architect for 30 years, and as I'm learning he has explained the importance of understanding first principles. Even though he's never written a word of Python, I explained how I was going to use a threading abstraction in my app and simply based on how he understands threading he explained how it wouldn't work and ended up being right! So the prediction of those that can do this being more important in the future is very interesting.
@iglobrothers64510 ай бұрын
I coudn't find any info about the general programming language. It would be awesome if you could make a course about programming in the general programming language
@ivanjermakov10 ай бұрын
Until somebody creates a programming language called General
@alurma10 ай бұрын
I hope this is a joke
@daviarantes532510 ай бұрын
i swear to god if you made a course about programming in general, i could probably convince half of my entire university to watch it (please do it)
@reddixskrull245110 ай бұрын
i think the reason why many people care about the language is because the abstractions made in languages. for example the abstractions made in the java ee environment are quite different from the abstractions made in c++. So if you litterally want to make money with programming you have to know the abstractions of an "trend" language and not just the idea behind programming. people need to eat, so they need to make money, they apply to a company, the company uses a specific language, the people need to learn the abstractions, the people learned a language.
@byterbrodTV10 ай бұрын
It's pleasure to watch another interesting topic and get motivated for doing something cool just for fun. While people like you exists in this world i have a hope that all is not lost for us. I wish one day i will be free from this big companies bullshit and would enjoy my portion of the recreational programming. Thank you, mista Zozin, as always ❤️
@ivanjermakov10 ай бұрын
TLDW: language is okay, error reporting is horrendous.
@alurma10 ай бұрын
wat
@StevenMartinGuitar10 ай бұрын
He liked the error reporting of '!' and '?'
@ivanjermakov10 ай бұрын
@@StevenMartinGuitar I meant compiler errors, not semantics. ! and ? are very cool, I'm stealing this feature for my language!
@alurma10 ай бұрын
@@ivanjermakov oh, yeah, that's true
@iambasantarai10 ай бұрын
You should definitely go for the General programming course. I mean I m interested.
@FDominicus10 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for this video. I tried it just to know. The installation was flawless and as easy as I like it. It was blazingly fast and I like that very much.
@ruffianeo34183 күн бұрын
Question.... did Tsoding ever play with Knuths language, he invented for the series of books "The art of computer programming"? Did he implement it maybe? Or create a JIT for it? Or did Advent of Code in it? Would that not be a very Tsoding thing to do?
@morganpigeron14210 ай бұрын
hello Tsoding , (@40:35) you have also the language Odin ( C like ) that come out of the box with binding for popular lib like raylib. Wich is perfect for rapid prototyping and to rapidly setup on any computer (linux,windows , mac )
@delibellus10 ай бұрын
Saying that it's useless because it will never be widely adopted is thinking of programming languages as cryptocurrencies. Tsoding was right.
@user-he4ef9br7z10 ай бұрын
I'll try out Hare when Drew Devault stops shilling it every single day on 4chan.
@kalekale432310 ай бұрын
the first thing that came to my mind was did drew finally buy an AD got tsoding to do the shilling
@weakspirit_2 ай бұрын
actually factual at the time
@jma4210 ай бұрын
20:40 totally agree, I just dont care anymore on whatever salary i get in the job as long as i get the basic needs.
@CYDAmity10 ай бұрын
How are you so naturally funny? :D
@TsodingDaily10 ай бұрын
Existential crisis.
@deltapi885910 ай бұрын
You "financial management" is exactly my thinking. I feel like an alien in my country. That is how someone lives who authentically works to live and not live to work. Thx for making me feel a little bit less like an alien.
@batlin10 ай бұрын
18:00 yes! I always wondered about this. Started learning whatever programming languages I found interesting when I was a kid with a C64 and Atari ST, not thinking it was any kind of "career investment". The questions and tier lists of "what language to learn / ignore in 20XX" are really weird, like if musicians were posting videos like "DON'T learn piano in 2024... learn THIS instrument to stay relevant"
@rojebd10 ай бұрын
i was just looking if someone did a video on this and 1 day ago you made one wow! what timing
@dmytro.sereda10 ай бұрын
We'll be watching your courses!
@adammontgomery79808 ай бұрын
I would pay for a 'General Programming' course from you. I'm not a noob but, I suck at picking where to draw abstraction boundaries. I guess you'd call it architecture. I'm always amazed at how you take an idea, and get a prototype working so quickly.
@meanmole321210 ай бұрын
Heresy (harec) vs. HolyC Who would win?
@kenneth_romero10 ай бұрын
hey tsoding, out of the modern c like languages (zig, odin, nim, etc...) which one has been the best for you? you've coded a lot, but what has felt a lot more intuitive for you in sense of applying core programming concepts rather than syntax memorization?
@Highwind_10 ай бұрын
Raylib on Harelang Any% World Record 1:06:04
@desertfish7410 ай бұрын
Hair style guide
@ilovepeaceandplaying891710 ай бұрын
I love your content, I would watch If you create vods on general programming too.
@charliegnu10 ай бұрын
So the issue you had at around 35:00 with the hare folder was that the executable is named after the parent folder, so creating a `hello` folder would have triggered the error.
@charliegnu10 ай бұрын
If you have an `a.out` folder and run `cc main.c` it will say errno=21 (EISDIR).
@allyc0des97210 ай бұрын
basically zig, at least hare has strong typing in the editor
@MrApplewine3 ай бұрын
But, could Hare have instead compiled to C and used Clang(LLVM IR?) or gcc instead of LLVM?
@markblacket890010 ай бұрын
be careful with nesting hares, you may end up with way more hares than intended
@SeishukuS1210 ай бұрын
Wow, this might be what I wish rust was... Very nice!
@drumetul_dacic10 ай бұрын
If you enjoy trying out new programming languages, I would like to suggest checking out the Sidef programming language. :) Disclaimer: I'm the author of the language.
@anon-fz2bo9 ай бұрын
cool language, would not have heard about it if not for you, thank you mista azozin!
@kcvinu5 ай бұрын
How does the FFI looks like in Hare ? how to call foreign functions ?
@b0ryakha10 ай бұрын
how do you like the idea of doing something with procedural generation?
@ntoslinux10 ай бұрын
Tsoding, Please would you mind doing a video on your desktop/window manager setup? I really love your low profile and "all from emacs" text only workflow. Very impressive, it helps people like me who needs to constantly fight against the distributions endless irritating UI innovations.
@delibellus10 ай бұрын
he didn't configure i3 as far as i know, so if he made a video about it, it would be like a tutorial on how to ise i3 as is.
@afoobar4210 ай бұрын
I will watch all your courses or even buy them, please do some courses plz.
@priyakdey789110 ай бұрын
I will totally watch the course on programming in general. I assume you will talk more about memory, process, constructs rather than features of programming language. But I do understand, spending months on a course and then getting 500 people like me buy it is not a great roi.
@inferrna8 ай бұрын
The Hare logo looks like БЕЗНОГNМ more than actual БЕЗНОГNМ (Russian meme containing a hare and something “legless”)
@jedediah-fanuel10 ай бұрын
btw, what tools you use for zoom up screen like in 19:43 ?
@reinhold161610 ай бұрын
its his own tool he wrote in Nim called Boomer
@naturallyinterested756910 ай бұрын
Next up: Tortoise scripting language
@claudiusraphael942310 ай бұрын
like literally LOGO, but to transcend along paths and nodes, fields and tables ...
@gadisasabri205610 ай бұрын
please make a video about programming in general!
@maxrinehart417710 ай бұрын
Please tsoding, that would be awesome. There is a lot to learn about programming that is not language specific.
@mattewlefty99110 ай бұрын
It's difficult to think about programming without binding to a programming language, but maybe it's because I only knew C well and never got deep into other languages. Would thinking about data and operation on such data a good starting point?
@kikawet10 ай бұрын
wait, but right a the end you rated the language with 8/10 👀 please prediction model-san 🙏 give a rate to more languages that can run raylib so that we can finally have a proper programming language tier list
@0x7f2c10 ай бұрын
finally, a video on hare!!!
@mikumikudice10 ай бұрын
I KNOW, RIGHT???
@AndrasNadas9 ай бұрын
Not 3 and a half discs, but on a SINGLE floppy which is 3 AND A HALF INCH LARGE!
@GabrielSoares-mt5il10 ай бұрын
I will fricking love if you make a "general course of programming". It sad to know that'll not happen. 😃😕
@inferrna8 ай бұрын
Try Lobster. It has physics engine and OpenGL support in it's standard library.
@WillyHorizont10 ай бұрын
I really want to try this, but I don't know how to setup this on WSL :(
@EliSoli-pb6fp4 ай бұрын
"If you know programming you know all the languages" Until you try Haskell
@errelin132610 ай бұрын
Given 10 cores with no memory limit, llvm and clang on my gentoo each takes about 40mins to compile ….😅
@errelin132610 ай бұрын
CPU is AMD5800H
@RandomGeometryDashStuff10 ай бұрын
47:07 stdlib designed to run on server?
@p2k777710 ай бұрын
Raylib speedrun is gold
@YasserS1910 ай бұрын
I hope you'll make course about programming in general.
@mirey-lamb2 ай бұрын
There is only one site that has many hare users and coincidentally it is the same one that Drew hates (or pretends to). That is pretty funny.
@twenty-fifth42010 ай бұрын
Not related, but I want to pet that Hare. ; )
@jecajSudbine10 ай бұрын
Where's "Pike Programming Language" video?
@delibellus10 ай бұрын
woohooo awesome! i didn't expect this!
@mtk307810 ай бұрын
what if i develop my proprietary and private programming language for my corporation
@Recreman10 ай бұрын
Thank you Mr zozzing!
@sossupummi10 ай бұрын
🐰bunny language🐰 is my new favorite! 🐇🐇
@mil_klover37510 ай бұрын
Love you bro and kove your videos. Literally helping me going through hard days. Thnk
@aciddev_10 ай бұрын
i think its trying to use parent folder name when -o flag is ommited!
@raina156510 ай бұрын
I would watch that programming course
@varshneydevansh10 ай бұрын
I think he did talked about it that Don Knuth did it and no body reads his book
@maxrinehart417710 ай бұрын
@@varshneydevansh except that knuth books are dry and hard to approach and would better used as references instead of reading them cover to cover, unlike tsoding streams which is fun to watch, informative and has engaging style.
@lievenpetersen10 ай бұрын
55:43 I agree with this sentiment
@TsodingDaily10 ай бұрын
Average Recreational Programming Session.
@lievenpetersen10 ай бұрын
tfw you prod nested hare ... wait what
@alurma10 ай бұрын
Hare is kinda awesome
@EliSoli-pb6fp4 ай бұрын
LLVM takes itself almost a day to compile in my Gentoo with an intel i5 😂
@MykolaBrechko10 ай бұрын
I would eat your programming course for breakfast.
@warko410 ай бұрын
Can you make a stream about vlang?
@taba195010 ай бұрын
It seem like the hare deveopler just wanted to compile typescript to machine code.
@SadShiry10 ай бұрын
19:30 well, if you do I gonna FOR SURE watch and even buy that course from you!
@jorgegomezabrante878010 ай бұрын
Hi tsoding, great vid. Can you share your emacs config?
@wildwestrom10 ай бұрын
Just like the Rust Vulkan episode, I would watch that. 19:48
@knalliebar10 ай бұрын
Today I leared that siemens is looking for A windows 3.1 programmer because of the debugger for german ICE 1 and 2 trains. So its not really the languages but you can really lock people/ companies in with tooling IDE's and development environments. And than you make ze moniez
@Kapendev10 ай бұрын
We already have a betterC 😅
@s33king8110 ай бұрын
I love this guy..
@джамп10 ай бұрын
ive only seen it on /g/ but it seems like asomewhat good language
@BrettMonet2 ай бұрын
Its a good language. I hope someday to see some Tsoding in advent of code or similar.
@remmo12310 ай бұрын
Odin language?
@antha-earth9 ай бұрын
as a xoogler i'm delighted to here that they are investing in simpler systems. also they just fired over half their workforce, you dont want to work there.