TSP #43 - Keysight MSO-S Series 10-bit 20GS/s Oscilloscope Review, Teardown and Experiments

[@joelw781]

I watched all 90 minutes of the review. Excellent job on the Infiniium S-Series, Shahriar, Your ability to show a broad range of measurements and capabilities from eye diagrams to wireless EVMs to equalization to multiple grids to jitter is amazing. Thanks for putting this together and posting. It's a great resource for engineers who are evaluating the S-Series.

[@marco56702]

that instrument is just incredible, thank you Shahriar for this wonderful video

[@RobertGallop]

Another AWESOME video, thanks so much for openly sharing your wisdom. No one else on KZbin can show us what these high end devices can really do for you, and you do an excellent job showing off the capabilities. Thank you!

[@TKomoski]

That looks like a beast of test kit. And the starting MSRP INCREDIBLE! Great review as allways.

[@OrbiterElectronics]

Mind now blown at the awesomeness. Great video.

[@gamccoy]

I have to say this video had me pausing periodically to look up some acronyms. This episode was packed with information. I liked it very much. My favorite part (and I enjoyed it all) was right at the end where the instrument was able to provide the correct equalization to recover data properly. While I cannot realistically afford such an device, the theory and application you demonstrate is worth much more to me. Thanks for providing these polished videos.

[@0PAIx]

Excellent. It just goes to show the fantastic amount of signal recovery possible through advanced MSO analysis. Love all your videos as they are for me eye openers.

[@xDevscom_EE]

Just wow. It's great video to show difficult high-speed things in simple way, understandable even for people who not really into high-speed stuff :) Keep good work up!

[@Abo3anterBerr]

Nice work and presentation...lots of good information. I watched all the 90mins straight without stop. Good work

[@drdiesel1]

Most excellent Shahriar, and thanks to Agilent for providing hardware. :thumbsup:

[@yaghiyahbrenner8902]

Thank You for the tear-down.

[@rkupka]

Fantastic video. Keysight marketing should learn from you.

[@robbowman8770]

TheSignalPathBlog I went over to the dark side (software) many years ago, so this is how I get my hardware fix these days. Great video! I'd like to see some experiments that give us a flavour of what the different processes can do (SiGe/CMOS/III-V etc) as it was interesting to hear you talk about this somewhat on The Amp Hour.

[@katelikesrectangles]

I was pleased to be able to follow maybe 5% of what's going on here :)

[@bensthingsthoughts]

That is an hell of an oscilloscope !! Never seen such a big one working :)

O man, this instrument is just crazy thing from the outside of this world. Gratulations and respect for its fathers and mothers for the amount of engineering put into this hardware and software. I like my easy everydays tools but they are just so ascetic compared to this data harvester. No need to ask for thumbs up - Your knowledge, expertise and will to share it deserves much more then another "thumb up". Live long and prosper, man. Cheers!

[@ruhnet]

Sooo much valuable information in this video. Thank you!!!! 👍

[@jameslucas6589]

I am totally amazed at your knowledge as well as lost. I have no doubts that I will never follow your path as I will not live long enough to do so.but I enjoy your videos. Please slow the eff down. You do not have a plane to catch. So just please slow down. There is plenty of time to say what you want. We all love your brilliance. Thanks fix simple things as well. Like an HP 410C. Or an RCA WV98A. I love the simple as well Thanks a lot

[@Thesignalpath]

James, thanks for the kind comments. I know what you mean about the pace. Unfortunately in some instances I don't have a choice. But I will keep that in mind. Once I am done with a few reviews that I have to do, I will get back to do some basic tutorials on circuit design as well.

[@thisoldguy]

Very nice review! I love the experiments, as usual. One thing I noticed, however, is that when you were looking at the noise floor of the DS6104 scope, the vertical resolution showed 20mV/div. Since the spec sheet indicates this scope can do 2mV/div, either the vertical resolution was not at its limit, or the scope was set to assume a 10x probe. Either way, while the noise still wasn't as good as the MSO-S scope, it also wasn't as bad as what was measured.

[@Thesignalpath]

Thanks and a good catch. I have added an annotation to the video. In my haste I missed the probe setting.

[@jjoster]

SiGe CMOS is not obvious to the uninitiated when you say siggy. A little background there at the beginning would have been nice.

[@rfengr00]

Thanks for this extensive review. I wish Agilent could reduce the boot time of the 89600 software. Version 19 won't even fit on a CD and takes over 1 minute to start.

[@Thesignalpath]

But you can see in the video that the VSA software launches and begins measuring in 20 seconds, and this is running on the scope while the scope application is already running in the background. It does not take 1 minute to start. The scope from power-off to measuring takes 1 minute and that includes BIOS, Windows 7 boot and the scope application software.

[@Richardincancale]

Hi Shariah, the auto equalisation demo at the end was very impressive indeed. Can the scope cope with long delay paths between start and end of transmission paths - e.g. 250ms satellite link delay? Could be an awesome tool for sat link EQ... Thanks for the great videos - always worth watching from end to end - never too long!!

[@Thesignalpath]

The delay is arbitrary as the equalization is done on separate CDR channels.

[@Mr.Laidukas]

I'm so positively biased towards your videos that I press "thumbs up" few minutes in to the video :) :) I'm becoming addicted, i guess.

[@vaualbus]

Last week whan eevblog released the video about the new 3000Q oscilloscope I wonder that nobody have yet revied these 10bit oscciloscopes Now a video about that. Fantastic! Do know the prices for these oscilloscopes? Also the PSG is yours or keysight have also give it to you? I wish to have a review also that psg. By the way amazing video as usal.

[@barryforever]

How do you compare this with Tektronix MDO4104B-6 ?

[@hulladek3]

Brutal high end stuff. Must be crazy expensive.

[@Thesignalpath]

Starting at about $25k up to about $100k with options.

[@mrlazda]

TheSignalPathBlog That is great price for this class oscilloscope, Tek with 250M point starts over 120k$ but it have higher bandwidth (12.5 GHz) and same bandwidth starts with 80K$ but have "only" 125M point, and top of line Tek MSO/DPO70000 series is over 300K$. I would like see comparisons this with Tek MSO70804 (or equivalent tek oscilloscope)

[@DantalionNl]

TheSignalPathBlog I believe I saw this model on ebay the other day with the same options, offered by keysight for 21k

[@vaualbus]

Lan Party Hosting Iwas not the same for sure. With all the option we speach more than $100k

[@oriole8789]

Made it through the whole video, whew haha! :) Thanks for making it! The noise floor comparison was interesting (the Rigol is quite bad huh.. my 14 year old LeCroy gives me 1.9mV PkPk and 597uV RMS at 2GHz/16GS/sec/1Msamples/1uS/1mV). Do you know by chance which FPGAs that scope uses? Even just a brand/series. The jitter analysis package seems extremely comprehensive, as well as the equalization parameter detection. Are there dedicated field-use tools with a similar functionality? If I recall correctly, some higher end FPGAs can perform their own adaptive equalization as well to compensate for changing link conditions? Being able to decode QAM symbols with such a high update rate is pretty fantastic as well. Your videos require quite a high level of proficiency in the appropriate fields to enjoy them fully, but I think the benefit of that is that even people without as much experience as yourself would get really excited about these fields from your presentation style alone (like me!). ;) I would love it if you did some general tutorials someday on setting up transciever links between FPGA boards let's say, and address some of the challenges involved. I find that FPGAs are underutilized by hobbyists even though they're so fun and powerful.

[@1chebam]

Thanks a lot for this video!!!!

[@douro20]

I wonder if that ASIC was manufactured by GlobalFoundries since they have a long-term relationship with the company dating back to when Chartered Semiconductor was still a separate company.

[@Elektronik-1]

About input noise... ist this done at 50 ohms or 1megohms? with the same impedance on alle 3 scopes?

[@Thesignalpath]

50-Ohm on all instruments.

[@yago1467]

Thanks Shahriar, faultless as always.

[@Tjousk]

Impressive.

[@davecc0000]

For those wondering: MSO-S 804A as optioned, US$73,000. agilent. com /about/newsroom/presrel/2014/29apr-em14047.html

[@Thesignalpath]

Yes, that is the 8GHz unit without the memory and application upgrades.

[@davecc0000]

TheSignalPathBlog Crikey! What $ does mem and full apps upgrades add to the price? In other words, as you have optioned it (hardware & apps) what's the list price?

[@Thesignalpath]

davecc0000 I think it would be >$100k.

[@rosanahmurugesu7215]

Wow! Fancy!

[@Thesignalpath]

Pooch says hi.

[@rosanahmurugesu7215]

TheSignalPathBlog Tell him I love him. And i'll have his fake passport ready soon.

[@alperenalperen2458]

+Rosanah Murugesu wtf ????

[@scottoma]

Thanks!

[@leppie]

This video was too short!

[@joblessalex]

Congrats on having a piece of equipment as expensive as a house that a well placed dust particle can destroy.

[@cthree87]

More like the cost of a used skid loader catused.cat.com/en/CATERPILLAR/SKID+STEER+LOADERS/242B3/2087147/detail_view.html

[@joblessalex]

You get the point.

[@cthree87]

I get the point that it is commercial business equipment like any other one might need and use in any business, whether you are in the paving business, catering business or one that has an application for a device such as this. $25K-$100K is pretty reasonable for most any business, especially if it were leased. In comparison to the cost of the person required to operate it, it's cheap.

[@joblessalex]

***** I bet, but still....

[@CoolMusicToMyEars]

Can Santa bring me that scope :) & a 3458A :) I am thinking this as Test Equipment work of ART, what this unit can do, the people that put this together WoW, & the Software Engineers WoW, like looking at a cute Cat sat on Test Equipment ! For sure when hardware meets software & works so very well :)

[@gacherumburu9958]

👍👍

[@SetMyLife]

OH. MY. GOD.

[@basspig]

10 bit ADC? What is this from? 1978?

[@jessiepooch]

Don't be silly now.

[@nickstanley5064]

You're acting like 10 bit at 20GS/s is easy.

[@basspig]

@@nickstanley5064 we can put a man on the moon in 1969, so why can't we have analog resolution on a digital scope in 2020?

[@marksteven3534]

you could upgrade the windows 7 to windows 10 for free, but I believe you loose media center unfortunately

[@XTYNoLuck]

Expensive....very very expensive

[@SirMo]

Amazing hardware, but not impressed with software.

[@javih90]

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