Tsukihime Adaptations

This video compares the Tsukihime Anime and Manga and how they stand as adaptations.

[@strpth414]

The Tsukihime manga is a great starting point for people who are trying to get into the world of Tsukihime ( or even Typemoon in general, I dare say). It's a great story and the dynamic between Arcueid and Shiki is just beautiful. And even though I was reading the FSN - Fate route manga simultaneously (after watching Carnival Phantasm blind) with it, I can say with certainty that this manga is what got me genuinely interested in and eventually chained to the greater TM universe. I absolutely love Tsukihime. Thanks for covering it. Sadly not a lot of people talk about it here on KZbin.

[@akai3974]

Your right no one talks about type moon

[@moogleborgofsanjose]

With all of the hype of the Tsukihime remake finally being given an release window, I definitely hope it brings some attention to the manga. The Tsukihime manga was one of the best i've ever read along with G.T.O: Great Teacher Onizuka and Street Fighter RYU FINAL especially given it's pacing, development and character, even though like other adaptations, it didn't too much into the Far Side routes, but it made up for it with Arcueid and Shikis reunion at the end of the manga, and it pretty much reinforced why I consider Arcueid and Shiki to be one of the best couples ever.

[@NeNeiSan]

It was a great experience and how it tied every route together in some way was perfect. Even if it did leave out things for certain characters, it's much better to have a main focus point than be a jumbled, incoherent story. I think this is one of the best ways to adapt a visual novel, especially one that relies on learning about characters through separate routes.

[@Glacier7474]

@@NeNeiSan It's not good for fans of other girls tho who wants to see shiki end up with someone different hence I believe ask routes should be adapted with more extra elements in a way that no fans feel betrayed

[@MrInuhanyou123]

">Nasu: To tell you the truth, Shounen Sasaki was my greatest rival when it came to the remake's production. Sasaki's Tsukihime skillfully fixed all the problems of Arcueid's route and added in the best parts of Ciel's and Akiha's routes. It was a most wonderful manga adaptation and I needed to surpass it somehow in the remake. Then, at the end of 2020, when the PC version was complete, I called him to playtest it. He rearranged his whole schedule to spend 6 whole days in the Type-Moon office playtesting the game. Later, his overjoyed review reassured me. If I could make Sasaki this emotional, then I had nothing to fear." From the last tsukhime interview from famitsu a few days after release. I knew nasu held the manga in high regard back then but he still considers it the standard he has to surpass with whole tsukhime project. It's kind of weird how the writer of the original story can fanboy so hard over someone else's adaption of his material. The sakaki shounen effect? xD

[@NeNeiSan]

I found that to be so wholesome when I first read read that. Sasaki did an amazing job with his adaptation and was glad to to see it get such high praise by Nasu himself. I haven't read the remake yet (plan to in a few weeks) but I hope he took some inspiration and fixed up the Arcueid route so it could be just as good as the manga made it out to be. Really wish to see more of Sasaki Shounen's work in the future!

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@NeNeiSan I'm probably going to wait until we get something less hackneyed. don't know how long it will take though..

[@NeNeiSan]

@@MrInuhanyou123 That's fair, I was thinking of doing the same, but realized I am probably going to get spoiled at some point anyways. But once Hollow Moon comes out with their translation, I'll definitely reread it for a much better experience.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

As a last clarification, the manga ending is a combination of outcomes of the story of tsukihime. True end where arc leaves because shes afraid of losing control and hurting shiki, good end where she ends up staying with shiki, and the concepts from prototype tsukihime 2 " talk and prelude" where shikis eyes become too powerful so he must seal them away by using special bandages Rider style. Then he and Arc go around the world together defeating the rest of the dead apostles to find a cure for Arcs blood lust as a true ancestor. Nasu liked the manga ending so much he wrote a 2 paragraph afterword in the japanese retail volume 10 about how it surpasses his own tsukihime in many ways and how much he appreciatd shounens adaption. Very unusual but totally deserved.

[@NeNeiSan]

That's very interesting. I would love a series like that, I would like a series more focused on the Dead Apostle Ancestors.

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan KT, MB, "Talk and prelude", MahoHako, and even some other Fate\Nasuverse mats\media teased so much, so this is a crime at this point.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@arowmorth Hopefully we get something like that once Nasu stops working on FGO, but if what they said about the LB being halfway done, then that still a couple years down the line. Unless he is working on side projects he hasn't revealed.

[@OlivierBueno-zc4qp]

Good prologue animé adaptation of the vn , and perfect music with .❤

[@redknight5974]

if there is one thing I will never shit on the anime adaptation is the OST. The Justice track you mentioned is great. Your channel was a nice find, keep it up!

[@lincolnbeckett8791]

Wow, this is exactly like Fate 06. Dated animation, taking storylines from other routes and not developed but has a beautiful OST.

[@NeNeiSan]

I would say at least FSN 06 had some charm to it. It was at least entertaining for me. This adaptation however, didn't have anything I could find good about it, except it's OST.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

I would say difference is that Deen stay night was flawed but still enjoyable despite its adaption failures. Tsukihime 03 literally does not represent the source material and is a bad series on its own.

[@markandrew287]

I just wanna say as a casual fan who admittedly only really knows Tsukihime mostly through the manga, it's completely fine if you like the anime, or if you don't like it. While I've never watched the anime, and it's probably as bad as people say it is, that doesn't stop YOU from liking or making your own experience with it. That being said, Tsukihime manga is GOATED and you should check it out.

[@arowmorth]

But yeah, if whoever stumbles upon this, i double NeiNeiSan and many other TM fans recommendation on reading the Tsukihime Manga in any case, since there is both Creative and In-lore value related reasons to do that. I only hope we get more content from Sasaki-sensei in the future.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Aahhghg! Sakaki shounen da gawd! Thank you for this video! Nasu def has him on speedial when crafting remake!

[@mmorpgal4229]

I always saw people play Melty Blood whenever I went to EVO. Its a pretty hype game but I was awful at it. Cool to see where it came from

[@Weregonnarockthisplace]

I’m actually one of the few that likes lunar legend tsukihime anime I even watched it with my family

[@NeNeiSan]

More power to you! I personally was wishing a bit more from it, but it did have a very nice atmosphere with some of the art and music. Nice to see it's not completely hated on.

[@arowmorth]

Meet new Tsukihime Remake seiyuu cast: Ryousuke Kanemoto - Shiki Tohno Ikumi Hasegawa - Arcueid Brunestud Kaede Hondo - Ciel Shino Shimoji - Akiha Tohno Kana Ichinose - Hisui Yuuki Kuwahara - Kohaku ??? - Satsuki Yumizuka (the meme still lives, hopefully will be revealed in new pack) So far i think they are great (esp how new Shiki going hard, maan, thats nice), even tho its little sad not hear og cast there, but i guess its to be expected, since its all new. The og cast was almost perfect, i agree, salute to them!

[@NeNeiSan]

I liked the old MB cast, but from the small amount of voice lines from the trailer, they seem to fit the characters well. I'm usually not a fan of cast changes, but this doesn't bother me at all.

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan Wakaruu

[@unqualifiedprofessortanuki1757]

This is a pretty good video, short but succinct and I liked how you cut between everything. My only critic if I have to give any is energy you don't speak with enough oomph for me. Eitherway 8.5/10 a subscribe and a like I'm excited to see more

[@NeNeiSan]

Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed! I appreciate the criticism, I'll try to see if I can add to the voice over while still fitting the style I go for. Thank you for subscribing and I hope you continue to enjoy the content!

[@unqualifiedprofessortanuki1757]

@@NeNeiSan since this morning I've been binging all your videos, I'll definitely continue to do so as long as you continue making them!

[@OlivierBueno-zc4qp]

Wonderfull animé, and music😢

[@sarawada__]

As much as I like to meme about the anime not existing, me watching it a million years ago got me into reading Tsukihime and finding out about VNs in general so I'll give it that. I also love it's opening too to this day.

[@cezariusus7595]

I have the pause the video for now. I haven't read the manga so I don't want any spoilers for it.

[@NeNeiSan]

When you get the chance, I highly recommend it. It's a fantastic read!

[@arowmorth]

Gotta say i love the Opening, music (tho imo its needed more variety badly like Kalafina did) and some parts in it (bringing some part of THAT atmosphere at least), but in a whole its really lackluster experience (even by past anime standards?), as an separate media and adaptation.

[@NeNeiSan]

It would be nice to get a proper anime adaptation, especially one by Ufotable.

[@arowmorth]

On the positive note, i really cant express enough how much of genius Sasaki Shonen really is. To add to the vid, his Tsuki no Sango manga story telling in some parts even superior to Nasu's LN version itself. The MVP.

[@NeNeiSan]

I didn't know Tsuki no Sango had a manga, I'll check it out.

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan Yeah, Sasaki-san actually finish it not that much long ago. Have a good read.

[@arowmorth]

Yeah, the ending is basically this timeline version of Eclipse events unfold (and could\would serve as possible teaser of Tsukihime 2 if Type-Moon would not stuck on money and corporate problems that much). Feels great after VN's. One thing i really would complain is that there is no more Sasaki-san Tsukihime manga, like Far Side Routes adaptation timeline. But it would be too much too ask ww

[@NeNeiSan]

@@arowmorth Yeah, as much as I love Fate I would love to see other series get more content.

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan Im glad to know that Nasu at least knows how to make money in creative way (well so so ww), since im huge FGO (story, esp CitL arc now) fan myself (despite not being a newcomer to TM), playing from the 1st day of JP server. Now Type-Moon (Notes) at least seems to have more money to Mahoyo production level project, so all is left its tie all loose ends with big bang and have a drive to write\polish more for other sides of the Nasuverse, case and point Tsukihime Remake (Tsukihime Rebith still?). Tho with Type-Moon BB Studio running this turning kind of *funny* , but hey they not necessary be a long term *Nasuverse* projects studio if we see they plans. Still im happy for F/E HD Arc and F/E Record in general.

[@BradLad56]

I was wondering, are you gonna cover Kara no Kyoukai as well?

[@NeNeiSan]

I am. I plan to rewatch it over my next break and make a couple videos about it.

[@BradLad56]

@@NeNeiSan Looking forward to it 👍

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan "Upset Book 6 Fairy Tail adaptation noises" The Word of God is lost, ehh.

[@littlegiogio8732]

Having recently finished the Tsukihime manga I can definitely say it's amazing and the best version of Arcueid's Route, and only surpassed by Hisui's Route which is an underrated masterpiece in my opinion

[@NeNeiSan]

The manga did help the pacing for Arcueid's route, which was my biggest problem with it. There was a little too much exposition, and the manga handled that perfectly. Hisui has my favorite route as well. Even though half of it was Shiki going insane in his room, it was intense and my favorite part of the VN. The big twist and ending was perfect as well.

[@littlegiogio8732]

@@NeNeiSan Definitely, the pacing issues were made nonexistent in the manga, and the manga having gorgeous art is a huge plus too Finally, someone who's favorite route is Hisui's route, I almost thought I was the only one who preferred it over the others. I loved how it explores Shiki's insanity the most in a very captivating way, it's so depressing but you can't stop reading it, the only other stories I've seen suffering done so well is Higurashi and Re:Zero. Also I love how it has the most wholesome romance since the other girls tried to kill Shiki at one point or another other than I think Akiha but the incest kinda ruins any really good romance that could come from it. The twist and the ending were both excellent and Hisui having the resolve to move forward even after "the deaths" is simply inspirational. I can't wait to reread that masterpiece in the remake.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

I agree...personally arc is best girl but hisui route is best route in novel. I do prefer the manga over novel since it is more focused and confident in what its focusing on. The art and upgrade in badass doesnt hurt either

[@Glacier7474]

@@littlegiogio8732 Its not really incest tho. Akiha was playing family except that Shiki was clueless about it most of time. Him finally remembering his memories is enough to set Akiha and Shiki apart as completely different characters with different families. Shiki's life is a tragedy who got dragged into all this family puzzle and switching despite him being a innocent child. All that is enough to overlook the "incest" factor which is not really incest in the first place. All routes focuses on Shiki and his relationships with each girl really differently and its a breath of fresh air all the time. Each route helps develops his character.

[@littlegiogio8732]

@@Glacier7474 I mean I get what your saying, they are technically not related, and Akiha was lying to Shiki about it the whole time. The problem is though, that both Akiha and Shiki treated each other as brother and sister respectively, and even though it was all a lie. The fact is they both, well at least in Shiki's case for sure, viewed each other as siblings. Not just for a few months, but many years, over a decade if I'm remembering correctly, and you could argue that Akiha had romantic feelings for Shiki for a while. That is true, the thing is Shiki didn't have romantic feelings for Akiha until the main events of the story takes place, this all means that Shiki went from viewing Akiha as a sister to viewing Akiha as a woman in less than two weeks. I mean Shiki falling in love with the other girls is also quick in comparison, though they were all around his age when he really got to know him. The only exception is Hisui, though that's different because Shiki viewed Hisui as a friend with a nice smile, and not his sister. So what I'm trying to say is that at least Shiki shouldn't have had developed these romantic feelings so quickly. I also think that Akiha would have been better off without her own route like Illya in Fate/Stay Night, but that's my opinion. I do agree that each route shows off different sides of Shiki by having him interact more with the main girl of each respective route, really well and I do like that

[@SouthSideOdaiba]

Type Moon and Ufotable is sitting on money. I feel like if they adapted more series it would be successful. Mahoyo, Tsukihime, Notes, ddd, there are so many novels to choose from. Unfortunately there’s no demand for it. Fate overshadows the rest of the Nasuverse.

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Chicken and egg situation. 99% of fate fans dont even know about non anime fate adaptions beyond fgo let alone other tm series. How there be demand without support and visibility? Look at demon slayer. It was extremely niche with small following until ufotable got involved. Build it and they will come

[@sebastianswan7975]

@@MrInuhanyou123 I will wait for the day ufotable adapts tsukihime, hell I'm fine with them adapting the manga, after that they should do Umineko

[@MrInuhanyou123]

@@sebastianswan7975 adapting the manga is ideal

[@arowmorth]

@@MrInuhanyou123 True (that or depending on what in Remake Arc route - this could be an option as well, tho more hard one still as its VN). Manga adaptation seems to be most logical\ideal way to do Tsuki anime so far, at least for Arc Route. Same goes for Umineko xD

[@arowmorth]

With new "Ahnenerbe-type" anime special announced, i remembered to recommend ppl to check out Mahou Tsukai no Hako: Starlit Marmalade Manga mangadex.org/title/13399/mahou-tsukai-no-hako-starlit-marmalade & MahoHako Drama CD (tho there is not much translation of this one), as its a part of Tsuki-verse too. its a fun read, esp if you know some lore that is referenced there, also cool to see more of Chikagi and Hibiki.

[@cezariusus7595]

They should've made the anime at least 4x times as long. Maybe now with the release of the VN remake we will get another anime.

[@NeNeiSan]

A Tsukihime anime made by Ufotable would be amazing!

[@ViApp0]

Uh, no? They should've done exactly the opposite. By cutting or reworking bloated and repeating dialogues, exposition, flashbacks as well as scenes with Arihiko (seriously why does he have more screen presence than Nero?) you suddenly have enough run time for a full episode on Ciel and Akiha (or even more than that). Unlike the Remake, Shingetsutan makes the original story even smaller and slower. So whatever, if there's not enough episodes or budget for the flashy action scenes, then make Akiha and Ciel actually do something, it wouldn't hurt Arcueid's character anyway.

[@arowmorth]

Why video missing some parts its strange, maybe it was Pruned away by The World as Falling Theoretical Phenomenon ww

[@NeNeiSan]

That was the aspect ratio from where I recorded the footage. Before I realized a way to fix it up, I was too far ahead.

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan I meant it as half-joke, but i see now about that too xD Well it happens.

[@sarawada__]

Indeed the strangest review of the Tsukihime manga. There's just 5 minutes of nothing before it starts. Peculiar.

[@strpth414]

Have you read Mahoutsukai no Yoru? It's set in the same universe as Tsukihime, only in the past and tells the story of Shiki's 'sensei' Aoko and two others. I found all three main characters to be really fun and likeable.

[@NeNeiSan]

I really want to read it, but I'm going to wait once the game is fully translated.

[@strpth414]

@@NeNeiSan I get why you'd want to go for that approach, but do realise that waiting for the Mahoyo VN to be fully translated in English is akin to waiting for the Tsukihime remake to be released. In other words you'd better pray you're GRANDKIDS will get to see it in their lifetime. Ok, I'm exaggerating. The good news is that it already has 8 chapters translated, plus about 3 chapters from the 'archives', so that's more that ten chapters worth of content to read, OR alternatively, if you can read French, then rejoice, for it has been fully translated into that language. But of you'd still prefer to wait for the complete translation to experience the awesomeness that is Aoko Aozaki (and Soujurou) then... that's cool.

[@NeNeiSan]

@@strpth414 I realize it will take a while, but I will probably have a better experience playing through it in its entirety. I don't mind the wait, I still have a bunch of other series I'm currently reading.

[@coilsothersniper7784]

@@strpth414 A new group started working on it about a year ago. Based on the pace they've been making, it'll be done some time next year.

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan Hollow Moon Team thankfully saves us (i didnt read it all too, tho i know large parts of lore) with theyre FR to ENG TL+JP to ENG proofread Mahoyo TL project. Hope it will be somewhat soon next year, if judging by todays progress.

[@songohan3321]

There is a reason both Fate Stay Nights animations were 24 episodes. Still condensed but far better pacing. Carnival Phantasm did a better job and it was a parody.

[@NeNeiSan]

The thing is, I think with decent enough directing and focusing strictly on Arcueid's route, it could have been at least a decent adaptation. I don't know how, but the anime condense 8+ hours of content into 4 hours and still managed to feel dragged out while the the mysteries and key scenes feel uneventful. There is a lot of potential for how all of Tsukihime's best aspects can be shown visually and would love to see another adaptation of some kind.

[@thanatos6450]

I'm going to be honest, I thought melty blood was the OG. looks like that's one more thing I've got to look at in the natsuverse. Dear god I just started the F/SN VN and melty blood comes out in September. And I get the HF movies for Christmas. All that with FGO is going to consume my life. Oh wait I don't have one. Nevermind.

[@NeNeiSan]

Yep, the Nasuverse is an alluring spiral. Once you think you are caught up, there will some other series or additional entry you haven't heard about. I've started with FSN 2 and a half years ago and am still trying to catch up on certain stuff. It's brought me many good experiences, so I can't complain!

[@arowmorth]

PHRASE OF THE DAY: TODAY IS THE DAY

[@emiyaiikoyomi6413]

ciel past is very very tragic and sad

[@NeNeiSan]

I loved her past and how she fit into the story, wasn't a big fan of her personality and design though.

[@kevynlub2655]

eyyyy mangakakalot

[@mrjoemikeymercado8197]

I love Tsukihime anime before Fate stay Night anime, & Arcueid Brunestud, ❤️my best Waifu, Together with, Saber Artoria Pendragon,, 💕

[@NeNeiSan]

Arcueid is an amazing character, really glad to see more of her in the remake!

[@mrjoemikeymercado8197]

@@NeNeiSan I love to play the Melty blood illumina on pS 4 Arcueid Brunestud, & Saber Artoria Pendragon is in there,, my friend's 😄

[@NeNeiSan]

​@@mrjoemikeymercado8197 Type Lumina has been amazing! Saber especially is fun and satisfying to play as

[@MrInuhanyou123]

Neneisan. You have 12 episodes to make an anime adaption of a 10s of hours long vn and every second counts in making a satisfying series in the time allotted. Do you A. Focus on the core theme of the story you want to focus on with lazer sharp focus B. Trim all unrelated fat to atleast give a comprehensible if barebones recreation of events C. Take everyone to the fucking amusement park for an entire episode of boring stilted harem hijinks completely unrelated to the actual plot

[@NeNeiSan]

I completely forgot about that episode. It was really out of place and guess I completely blocked it from my memory.

[@arowmorth]

And ofc it will be C... J.C.Staff why... i cant

[@emiyaiikoyomi6413]

ciel and arcueid the best waifus in tsukihime

[@NeNeiSan]

I really loved Arcueid's character and personal story. I wasn't a huge fan of Ciel, but she still had some great moments. Personally, my favorite were Arcueid and Hisui.

[@kyleco9149]

Kohaku is best girl for me

[@BradLad56]

Should I watch the anime just to see if it's as bad as everyone says? Lol

[@arowmorth]

I mean yeah, but can you make it.. its another question lol

[@NeNeiSan]

I went in with the same mentality, it's not just bad, it's also painfully boring. Near the end I had to watch it at 2x speed to keep from dozing off. If you can handle that, go for it.

[@BradLad56]

@@NeNeiSan Thank God Fate didn't turn out like that.

[@arowmorth]

@@NeNeiSan Same, i just jumped parts of episodes like Ciel on roofs, veery far jumps with x2, so in reality i really normally watched only 8 episodes, kusa.