TSW2: Horseshoe Curve | First look & Overview

Let's take a look at the latest North American add-on route for TSW2.
This time it's the needs-no-introductions 'Horseshoe Curve' of the ex-Pennsy, now Norfolk Southern Pitts Line which carves its way across the Allegheny Mountains.
Included are the foam favorite Gevo ES44ac and the GP38-2 as well as 40 route miles, the South Fork branch of an additional 18 miles, Altoona, Johnstown and all bits in-between.
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As always this is out of my own pocket and is not biased due to receiving free keys or "early access" from Dovetail Games studios
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Horseshoe Curve for TSW2:
store.steampowered.com/app/16...
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[@jessicatimm559]

Thanks for very in depth look and review of this route!

[@potatoman451]

This and Sherman Hill are my favorite freight routes. I don't normally like American freight, but I really enjoy busy American freight. Can't wait for the awesome sounds mods lol

[@TearsPlays]

i really want to see a high nose GP-9 in a DLC sometime

[@dgummo2728]

I live in Altoona,Pa. They actually did a pretty good job on this route, and the horseshoe curve park is pretty well spot on as for location of building locations. Thanks for covering this route in your gameplay

[@davidchunko]

That is exactly how horshoe curve looks even that exact locomotive is sitting there wow that is amazing how they hit horshoe curve right on the spot 👍👍👍

[@justanotherghost4589]

Being basically from Altoona, well a little north of it, this is really cool to see, thanks a ton for taking a closer look at the map and certain details. Especially growing up here it's cool to see locations I see all the time lol, I was hoping you'd be able to take that local back to Holidaysburg, that train is known as EB10 I believe, you'll see them every now and again, it's awesome to see them go a little through the city and over some of the old PRR bridges, I gotta catch them again sometime, especially on the mainline! Other than that I really wish we could go north a bit, going up to Tyrone at the very least would've been awesome, there's a few level crossings up there as well and some nice straights to get some speed going, seeing my hometown would've been neat lol Details wise, yeah they definitely could've done better in certain areas, as other commenters have explained well enough lol, I don't get why DTGs DLCs are so overpriced honestly, I'd love to get this but oh well

[@bobgrimes3896]

Exactly what I was waiting for :)!

[@Midland1072Productions]

Seems like this DLC is as follows: Pros: - Exists Cons - Everything Else Yes this is slightly harsh but geez I had my expectations low and this managed to limbo right under them

[@z0rzx362]

Lmfaooo well said, couldn’t agree more xd

[@ReadingAreaRailfan]

I just got it a few days ago. I changed some of the graphic settings on it and it runs alot smoother and the horn sounds don't glitch as much. My only problem I've had so far besides that is the GP38-2's brakes, there HORRIBLE. Going down the grade through the curve to Altoona is a nightmare, you have to slam the automatic into emergency to even get it to slow down. Dynamics / independent brake don't do jack coming down the steep grade. Idk what to do about it. I'd love to see the Harrisburg Line come to TSW 2, Reading to Abrams would be nice.

[@andrewtreece3708]

At the 1 hour 8 minute mark that end siding and signal bridge is a MoW staging area and rip track outside of cresson

[@FalconWing1813]

It looks like they at least tried to take things to the next level. I hope things will continue to improve . Maybe even add a expansion packs to have more sidings and more to do for other DLC they have .

[@mikelowery5741]

They left out the macs n 40s and a patched conrail, and jus gave us geeps, es44, and coal car, kinda boring in my opinion!!? 🙄🙄🙄

[@vforvitti]

Great vid again!!! "he said unit" made me almost pee my pants!!! Keep it up, Schnauzer!! Greetings from the old world...

[@Colethetrainman]

Finally I have been waiting on Norfolk Southern for train sim World 2 I got it yesterday as soon as I seen the out now ad for it

[@shadowofbrazil]

the fact that the cover photo they used is 8104...the leigh valley heritage unit...but in the game its just a normal NS paint scheme. obviously no research. but the PTC looks pretty good. thats really accurate to the real thing. and thats from someone who stares at it everyday.

[@CentralPaRailfan]

I grew up in Martinsburg. First time going thru this on PS4 I noticed every little building missing along the route. The house my friend lives in across from the shops isnt there, my sisters old apartment in Cresson, plus the Sheetz stores. Good heavens the turntable area at the shops by Ward looks just wrong. I know they took some liberties maybe I'm being to critical?

[@MCP2002]

They gave the external glass actual texture. That makes me happy. I'm a simple man. Thanks for another quality video.

[@benjaminmelikant3460]

All of them are the Gallitzin tunnels, but the third tunnel is the old Allegheny Portage tunnel

[@SChamberlain1978]

It’s not horrible, but there are issues. The expressway in front of the train station is one way traffic westbound. Plus the FPS and most buildings are off. I grew up in Altoona and just up the street from the shops. Maybe an expansion east towards Harrisburg will be added? It would be great to roll across the Rockville Bridge.

[@z0rzx362]

There’s not really anything to like about this add on though, it’s very poorly constructed imo

[@southernpennsyrailfan8579]

This was literally the first game I downloaded as soon as I got my new computer

[@jimmypaterson7650]

I can't believe DTG are still in business.

[@jimstehley728]

I live in Altoona and they have the road going the wrong way and some of the buildings are not what they look like in life. Like at the museum there is a medical center next to it the hospital looks like a office building and the dome is a cathedral

[@wearethekbproductions1]

I love your videos man!

[@BRLocosStudios]

What's your opinion on the sounds, and in particular, the gp-38's ones? Nice video by the way.

[@z0rzx362]

The geep sounds aren’t terrible, surprisingly good for Dovetail standards, but the same cannot be said for the GEVO’s

[@cjc5478]

there used to be a big steam engine sitting there at that Horseshoe curve area ... oh well ... it's being preserved somewhere

[@SouthernPacificPatch]

The GEVO prime mover sounds are somehow worse than the Kuju GEVO sounds that were released 10 years ago?

[@CJC20]

The only things I wanted was the chugging sound of the es44 and the whoop sound. And they failed

[@z0rzx362]

Can’t really be surprised though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@CJC20]

I mean if you listen closely you can kind of hear the chugging sound but, I don’t know

[@z0rzx362]

@@CJC20 well you shouldn’t have to listen closely in order to hear it, it’s pretty loud and noticeable

[@CJC20]

Yea those GEs are LOUD

[@HighIronProductions]

What bothers me is the Amtrak platform at Altoona is raised like British platforms (honestly just looks like they put a new skin on one of their London-Brighton platforms - you can see the SR style concrete supports under the lip). A tiny bit of research would have shown them that this is a low level platform. I don't understand how major mistakes like this make it through...

[@MaverickWV]

Are the consists longer like in Sherman Hill? Like 80-100 cars? I felt like Cane Creek was kinda disappointing as far as that goes, but I also don't live anywhere near there, so I don't know if 20-30 cars is more realistic.

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

Nope. Still about 40 cars. The weight of the train is a little bit heavier though. The best thing I’ve found for the length and weight is make your own run

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

I go to horseshoe curve about 2-3 times a year and the trains are about 200 cars

[@MaverickWV]

@@steelcityrailfan4808 That’s disappointing. Wonder why skyhook avoided making larger consists. Something tells me they half ass routes just to fulfill their contract seeing how cane creek turned out. Was an unoptimized mess with tons of shortcuts taken in my opinion.

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

Yeah

[@austinosgood3823]

I really wish there was more variety in general and more train traffic on routes. It would be cool to see other RR operating around the different yards, or on a mainline. Like in Oakdale Subdivision, there are passenger platforms but no passenger train traffic of any kind. The peninsula corridor flirts with that idea, rather poorly I feel. Kinda disappointed there isn't the option to run a high hood Geep considering NS actually does.

[@jeffreycrownover3457]

Noticed the cars are running on the wrong side of the road for the USA. Designed in UK?

[@mattcline6611]

It is on console. I have the PS5 version of the game and most all of these packs including this one. Oh yea, I play inverted Y axis, so there’s that too. I guess it’s not as strange as you think.

[@choochoo640]

Looks buggy crossing gates messed up. Details right thanks man

[@s197_carti]

Who Ever Was In Charge Of The Timetable Knows Nothing About This Area. And Some Crossings Aren’t Activating. And I Encountered A Game Crash Near Altoona. Plus The GP38 Still Has The SPG K5LA But A Leslie Sound File Makes No Sense. Hope This All Gets Fixed Soon. Anyway Fabulous Video As Always.

[@jayz1519]

Just wondering could you spare your engine preset?

[@tuberoyful]

This still says coming soon in my Steam Wishlist I payed and it didn't Download Yet.

[@sweetmyth2537]

Your right the OLD PRR signals where all replaced by 2019

[@southernpennsyrailfan8579]

The Norfolk southern Pittsburgh division is the busiest railroad line in the world with over 50-100 trains passing horseshoe curve every day

[@CoreyKinley]

+Schnauzahpowahz that is not a hopper at the railroad mueseum that is actually ore jennies they are real small rolling stock in real life.

[@jerrodlambert6731]

Hey the PRR 1361 is currently under restoration again

[@doyourememberme2904]

I have finished all 5 Champion Missions way to easy they were. Awesome Route with small little problems old Pennsylvania Signals and Signal Bridges that make no sense, but I can overlook as Conrail Removed 90% of the old signals in 1993 making Taller stronger Signal Bridges to accommodate for New rolling stock at the time as Doublestacks and Autoracks were striving to make a dent in the Freight Industry and the Gallitzin Tunnel Park Road bridge only has one bridge support to the bridge given in game there are two. Altoona shops and roundtable were Not modeled real good because players will not be going there at all which is fine with me not being detailed.30:40 that track in real life is the main lead into the Transfer table shops that only fix and do Maintenace on Tanker Cars. Unfortunately the PRR GG-1 isn't sitting at the Railroad Musuem roundtable as it does in real life since the 60's, I want that old Conrail Bay window Caboose . Alto CP Tower is one of 2 cp tower that are still there to this day Not counting MG Tower which was Built and used only for WW2 mountain Traffic Passing. Longest running trains in the United States was when WW2 was going on Horseshoe Curve has Timetable records of trains 400 to 500 cars long heading around the curve . Other than that AWESOME ROUTE, Love the GP38-2 except its Blinding cab dome light which feels like your staring into the sun. Interesting Fact Real Life NS railroad is the Lowest paying Railroad in the United States and BNSF is the Highest Payed workers.

[@NotchNate]

It’s all cost of living adjusted.

[@JA17SBLVIIIMVP]

NS is also the safest. BNSF is the only class 1 that doesn't implement PSR.

[@user-yn8do4px8e]

@@JA17SBLVIIIMVP NS isn't the Safest anymore 5 Derailments within 2 months, derailments are still happening to this day, just because it's Not brought to your attention by News it's still happening.

[@oliverking5636]

They should fix the turntable and make a sandbox scenario I like driving around the yard building consists

[@benjaminmelikant3460]

Those buildings in Cresson along the caboose park were a bit disappointing... how could they miss Vito's??? But also... that building in Cresson, the big one that looks like a church, is Mount Aloysius College. Proud graduate here...

[@jerrodlambert6731]

Add the Sd70 helper locos is wat they need to do

[@tuberoyful]

"Floating Buildings" 😂

[@223frankthetank]

great, i'll keep playing run8 hahaha

[@OG-Productions]

I wish you could go inside that gp9

[@official_cessna1723]

They should have used the GP9 from the oakville sub and made it a high hood

[@benjaminmelikant3460]

Okay excuse me but Johnstown is home to the world-famous World's Steepest Vehicular Inclined Plane!! It should be right near the ball stadium going up over the hill. How can you make a route to Johnstown, include the Penn Traffic building, but NOT get the Inclined Plane?? What the heck game makers...

[@tuberoyful]

Get some Reshade on there Schnauz Too Shadowy!

[@wrrail]

Imagine all of the possiblys we can do with the gevos lol

[@xxbraslayerxx6303]

@47:27 the ai traffic are driving on the wrong sides of the road. not really a big deal just odd

[@TheChief-oe6dx]

To be honest, Johnstown is where the movie slapshot was filmed

[@z0rzx362]

Honestly, quite disappointing in my opinion, Dovetail always hypes up their products for such a let down of a launch… even some of the most basic sound things are wrong (prime movers don’t sound right, especially the GEVO-12, and the GP38-2 has a K5LA modeled but has the sound of a RS3L)… not a huge fan tbh, don’t think this is one is close to the one in TS 2022

[@olirc]

Agreed. Just so generic and samey. No character. DTG/Second Party, whatever, they just don't have the skills for the 3D art stuff. TSW is going nowhere in my opinion.

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

The horn on the ES44 sounds weird to.

[@darkshadows8829]

How do you get NS I don’t have it it won’t let me some reason

[@schnauzahpowahz]

Ermm. Buy it? Its not showing upfor sale?

[@tuberoyful]

We Finally got a Run 8 looking route design in our TSW2😂

[@ErwinRommel-91]

I was expecting Horseshoe Curve to have poor sounds and performance and im still let down. I get 10-15 fps on PS4. They added some NS rolling stock (UP, CSX from past DLC's too) to the CN Oakville Sub to give it more variety, so there's that i guess.

[@greatmeme]

i was really excited for this route but considering i’m on ps4 i’m not sure if it’s worth it if the performance is really that bad

[@lguthrie8607]

My performance on Xbox One X turned out alright. I dragged down to 10 fps occasionally but for the most part I stayed around the 30-60 fps range.

[@danielbradley88]

What i wish they would do is put more effort into the way a railroad operates there’s usually not only a single company railroad car or engine in the consist like, where i am a CP rail ac4400 could be the lead and then have a CSX and a Union Pacific as DPU. I wish we saw that in this game

[@warrent1668]

Lol a bowl of fruit loops. In Hueytown Alabama one csx locomotive pulls intermodal containers exactly like those to take them to the Bessemer intermodal yard or to the csx Boyle's yard

[@brandonoconnor1079]

Another awesome video! I wish they would add steam locomotives to TSW2. I have high hopes for Trainz2022.

[@mikelowery5741]

They need to and they should put some variety such as Mac addons SD70ACe sd40-2s and an Amtrak route they slacked on this one for sure

[@CTSLRailfan]

well, time to make a huge mod for the rolling stock. the reused sounds and way the sounds play are horrible… also gotta change the color of those containers… the usual modders are already at work on mods so gameplay should be great with all the mods combined.

[@csxriverlinecatches4736]

A bowl of fruit loops 😂 👏

[@zachattack6047]

I don't know what I expected from them, but I was hoping it would at least be better than this. The ES44AC does not sound right at all, the world is poor quality, and the railroad crossings don't even work. I guess all we can do is hope they fix it in the next updates.

[@cheryljemison5498]

theyll never fix the fucking railroad crossings. ive brought it up to DTG on livestream before about the crossings for tsw and tsw 2, but they just brushed it off.

[@BenSimmonsDaGoat]

@@cheryljemison5498 The Crossings on Boston are the only functional ones since that have a bell. The one on Sherman hill work but are silent and a bit ugly working. I don't know what happened on this route. Not many work.

[@zachattack6047]

@@cheryljemison5498 I would understand if crossings didn't work in a non-train related game but I mean it's train simulator, railroad crossings are one of the most significant parts of railroading. I guess all we can do is hope they get off their lazy asses and actually put some more work into their game instead of just being money hungry.

[@Lerimn]

I'm going home to the store

[@TZrailfaning]

Why is it so dark?

[@JanusLoggie]

I'm not from the US, so this DLC gives me my American Diesel fix!

[@ttgmac96]

Anyone else play the game and you save it and it won’t let you click on return to save game?

[@mbta1000]

This is terrible! But it's Dovetail, so it's expected. Appreciate the video, Schnauzah.

[@z0rzx362]

Very true, sucks how we have to rely on 3rd party sources to make the game bearable

[@CTSLRailfan]

it sucks because it’s skyhook games. it would be way better if dovetail games actually did it.

[@kittycraft]

sure bud whatever you say

[@calegilbertson1461]

Yes, some of us hate the horns (or at least rail fans) and some of like it, but we can all agree that that GP38-2 from San Fra to San Jose SUCKED

[@markvogel5872]

I switched from tsw2 to Train Simulator 2022....so happy I did. TSW2 is just all remakes of old routes. If you want to have freedom to drive around and do whatever you want train simulator is what you need. Cresson has a Railfan Bed & Breakfast!

[@LP_LP_LP_LP]

My favourite part of being a train driver IRL is picking up tripods

[@nicholmansgarage3501]

Altoona looks good, Cresson looks pretty good, Gallitzin is *very* disappointing. No Tunnel Inn, no railfan park, no caboose, no tower, none of that. Truly sad, I love Railfanning at Gallitzin and i find it pretty disappointing that they couldnt be bothered to model the most notable aspects of the area (aside from the tunnels themselves)

[@tuberoyful]

As far as trees I notice they don't make them relevant (in kind) to State, Country etc they always look the same a good example is the Harlem Line (which is already half of its real life route) the leaves in NYC they have are incorrect we spend $30 for they're content and they barely put in real effort .

[@The_394]

I haven’t seen the flatcar

[@ErwinRommel-91]

I found the flatcar in the livery designer, but not in the route itself. But then again, it was made by Skyhook Games.

[@schnauzahpowahz]

I read somewhere theres one service with them. Cant recall which tho

[@SEWisconsinRailfan]

It's on 25W.

[@josephjoestar3275]

Imma keep it real witchu chief The route is cheeks

[@UnfamiliarBeetle2917]

Its crazy to see all of the comments shitting on this game. This continues to be one of my favorite games. The problem is people expect to be hyper realistic, if you want it hyper realistic go drive a real train.

[@unionpacificsd70ace.9]

Now I think BNSF is next, MAYBE KCS JUST MIGHT within 2025.

[@Cartbs229]

What is the origin for your KZbin name

[@Clawzord2277]

wow skyhook really did a good job on this route and sound better than cane creek route they did which was ok.

[@xKMA371x]

Except!!.. Right now the savegame feature Dosen't work on console in any mode... After Horseshoe Cruve Dlc was installed.. Typical DTG.

[@easternroutemainlinevideos6823]

Don’t waste the $30 on the dlc got it.

[@cjc5478]

people with really good computers have problems with frame rates not being too perfect ... far from perfect ... the game is fairly alright but the save game doesn't work as of about several days ago & today is May 28th 2022 --- good videos btw -

[@louisianahighballproductio6954]

The idle on those GEVOS are whack

[@schnauzahpowahz]

And notch 1-8. And the DB. 😄

[@MattChaffe]

I'd say Skyhook Games redeemed itself with this route, after Cane Creek seemed to be a big flop, but there are still plenty of improvements the route could use. Still many bugs and glitches, and scenery stuff that can be fixed.

[@z0rzx362]

In my opinion, this is still a big flop, and step in the wrong direction… there’s no way this route redeemed Skyhook Games in any stretch of the imagination… I mean there is hardly anything good about this route… they should start designing things in a “quality over quantity” mindest rather than the other way around… this route is just awful

[@MattChaffe]

@@z0rzx362 Ehhh I wouldn't go that far. Comparing HSC to Cane Creek, HSC wins at every aspect. You can't win in every aspect of the route, but it's definitely better than Cane Creek.

[@z0rzx362]

@@MattChaffe that’s fair, but I don’t think either route is good, and especially not good enough to redeem anybody

[@MattChaffe]

@@z0rzx362 Could you elaborate more on what aspects of HSC makes you feel like it's a big flop? I haven't heard any constructive reason for your opinion.

[@z0rzx362]

@@MattChaffe well I mean I thought they were pretty apparent… there’s a long list of things that could be “improved”, but also a lot of things that should’ve came out correctly… some are a lot less significant than others, but still should’ve been gotten right… for starters, some of the smaller things is having a K5LA modeled on the GP38-2, but it has the sound of an RS3L, which is something that is so easy to get right, and they still messed it up, secondly, the GEVO-12 sounds awful, I mean I have no idea how that made it into the final version, the cab looks a little bleak on the GEVO (not a big deal), the K5HL end sounds very off, and it straight up just sounds like it was recorded from a real locomotive and slapped on (it should at least feel like it belongs in the game), lots of the scenery is just meh at BEST, most of the yards seem very un-modeled and plain, the roads and other scenery around the tracks look really low quality, and on and on… I’d be glad to keep discussing all the things I find wrong or interesting about this route, but here is a few things that bother me… maybe I’m just being a pessimist, but I am trying to like the route, but it’s hard to appreciate anything they do when the simplest details are fumbled and then scenery looks like it belongs from 2009…

[@GalaxyQZ]

Dovetail needs to fix the horns, if you lay on the horn too long it cuts out and it’s rlly annoying.

[@caseynaton8927]

1:35:24 Since when was 294 a manifest lmao

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

I’ve seen 294 and I can tell you it’s not a manifest

[@schnauzahpowahz]

None of the TT is legit, they mentioned that in the ofFiCiAL sTrEAms. Its loosely based. Id say verrrrry loose

[@MrCameronsterling]

TSW2 is making train simulator 2022 obsolete

[@euan.4551]

Ts2022 is making tsw2 look crap

[@markvogel5872]

Nah other way around. I switched to train simulator...such a better program and with steam sales you can get 7 or 8 routes for the cost of one tsw2 line.

[@MrCameronsterling]

@@markvogel5872 for the price yes I will agree with you but on everything else no tsw 2 is turning out to be better than train simulator imo, I still have it but I don’t play it anymore because I have Run8

[@canadianbacon2205]

Kantorski would not approve

[@ParDeRuz]

What a STUPID operation

[@bidibulle6795]

The terrain import is not very good, there are mountains in the distance that are "broken"!! It's unbelievable that they leave it like that!!!! It lacks grass at the edge of the rails, some buildings are too clean, the sounds lack credibility too. Apart from these little things, the road is superb, there are nice details, the assets are quite well laid, the rocks are magnificent, I like the big yards, a bit empty but very very beautiful. The only thing that bothers me is the lack of grass at the edge of the rails, it's too clean for a coal road. I really like it, I'm going to buy it, but it lacks a passenger service which, in my opinion, would have added a little more to the level of immersion and driving. Maybe a future loco DLC to add the missing passenger service who knows?! I was waiting for your very detailed test as you know how to do it so well before deciding and thanks to you I will take it. thank you my friend 😘 Zawal

[@jcountry05]

I just farted

[@cpr8959]

OH wow those gevos sound like shit. sounds like ball Barings in em

[@schnauzahpowahz]

Lol great analogy.

[@viniciuspires3829]

so, they made Horseshit curve instead

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

Basically yes

[@mikeobrien901]

I wish they would stop”setting “years. I don’t want 1900s I want 2022. It’s a simulator. Longe routes etc.

[@justanotherghost4589]

I'm personally fine with this being set in.. 2015 I think they said? Since the PRR signals are still there, other than that man this route is a mess when it comes to certain details

[@NSHorseheadSD70]

Not only are some locations not that great, the physics are just downright awful. Grain trains going up the east slope at track speed? An oil train tearing up the west slope? Another swing and miss from Dovetail and whoever created this route

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

I got a coal train up the grade no problem at all. I could’ve stopped on the 2.0% grade and still got it going

[@NSHorseheadSD70]

@@steelcityrailfan4808 But there at least needs to he a struggle. You shouldn't be zooming up the mountain at track speed

[@steelcityrailfan4808]

I 100% agree. I want some sort of a challenge.

[@Jaxon_mouser]

Let’s be honest the people that work for the Corporation that makes all of these games they’re getting old with the edits we need new people that actually want to help the community like younger people but it can be old people but they just Gotta be smart with their stuff on trains we need NEW NEW not the Same horns, engines, and blah blah blah it just seems like they’re not fans with trains like we do. It’s like they don’t try to hard like they just want money for fun. They don’t seem like they listen to their fans at all… kinda sad..

[@rjracing12]

Terrible sounds like non turbo

[@RedDed228]

Bro I love you but you way under cut that, it should look far better. It's 2022 and they have textures and texture resolutions from 1998. This is bad. I seriously feel like they bring resources from Train simulator 20XX over to here and are like "Looks fine whatever"

[@auto8productions491]

I recently visited the horseshoes curve as well as Altoona and I must say. Non of this is accurate. NON OF IT. Even tracks in mileage spans are completely off. There’s way too much brush on the curve. At the shops it looks like no one finished it. Sounds are 100 percent off as usual. Railroad crossings are completely unfinished. Just extremely poor quality in all. This was way worse than the MBTA providence line. This also leads me to suspect that they might use Google Maps to generate their maps instead of the “automatic terrain generator” they said in the clinchfield map… What leads me to that is just the crap ton amount of over brush work. It’s not accurate at all. Honestly should’ve expected this.. This is probably the worst map they’ve ever released. It literally un finished. Just crap.