Tube Screamer TS9 VS Joyo Vintage Overdrive - Blind Test - Pedal Clone Wars Ep.1

Let's blind test the Ibanez Tube Screamer TS9 VS the Joyo Vintage Overdrive.
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[@666dynomax]

am i going to get flamed that i thought A was tube screamer because I thought it sounded better? wow. i'm impressed.

[@amadeuszburnat7192]

You're not alone! ;D I was surprised when he revealed the A was Joyo.

[@kynoceph]

I was kind of shocked...I've been using the Joyo Vintage Overdrive for a few months now and I figured I would put some money on a Tube Screamer eventually...but I think I won't, now.

[@xRepoUKx]

Same here.

[@Arcturian1111]

Me too. I just bought The Demon Pedal, same as Joyo

[@PFLOYDB]

A sounds better}

[@vikramjitbanerjeetuki]

I prefer the Joyo it sounded better to my ears

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

:)

[@glenmcquestion]

vikramjit banerjee I agree. It has more of a metallic edge to the sound. Great video, Nico. It really helped me nail down which overdrive I'm going to buy.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Glen McQuestion thanks Glen, you're welcome :)

[@PalaVR]

We at The Funmobile preferred the Joyo Pedal, too. The BOSS Pedal sounded a little thinner when not cranked to 100%

[@TheMrLoucrazy]

I too! I was really surprised!

[@CentaurusRelax314]

Preferred A. Brighter, more dynamic. Thanks for this comparison.

[@anomalyyyy]

Was genuinely surprised A was Joyo, much better sound, gain and mids. Fuck, buying it right now.

[@JamesMcCutcheon]

I was thinking A THE WHOLE TIME! Screamer seems to pull back certain frequencies and reduced expression. 65 year old ears factor -2 Db. My mid's are naturally scooped a little. Choose to get JOYO Thanks again for a great video review.. I think you are at the TOP on Pedal reviews. JUST RIGHT.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks James! :)

[@nickspitzley8539]

Be honest the joyo killed the ts9. The ts9 sounded dead. The VO was alive and cranking!

[@MrDavee1]

I think the difference is that minimal, that it really wouldn't matter to me which one I used. I like the Joyo stuff. Haven't had a bad one yet, and I have 5 of them.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+MrDavee1 great Davee! I have five as well !

[@achrisofalltrades5620]

WOW, I'm actually liking the Joyo products on this comparison. not only a great sound, but great price and build quality 👍

[@ThatOneGuyWeAllKnow]

I’m really surprised cuz I liked A a lot more. It punched more and drove the tone more. And I’m even more blown away to find out it was the cheaper one

[@teatimeinthealpine5752]

the joyo sounded like it had more presence, and because of that, it was my preferred choice. great video!

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Taylor Gibler thanks for your opinion Taylor! Cheers :)

[@marcmistermarc]

I love the Joyo Vintage Overdrive - has all the classic sounds if the TS9 without the bass loss. Might but a second one to cascade together.

[@ck2music712]

LoL, it has the bass loss too... Cause the EQ is EXACTLY the same on both...

[@snackspositive]

max gain | A 0:31 B 0:56 all noon | A 1:24 B 1:35 max gain Hendrix | A 1:46 B 2:00 max gain single note | A 2:16 B 2:22 gain at 13 arpeggios | A 2:30 B 2:47 max gain ZZ Top | A 3:01 B 3:15

[@Shmalentine]

This is how every comparison video should be - blind! Awesome stuff! Thank you! Joyo for me all day. I actually immediately knew which one was which - from other comparison videos I knew the Ibanez sounds smoother and the Joyo has more edge. I definitely prefer edge. :))) An even more fun thing to do would be to switch which pedal is A or B for each music bit. This way we would have to rely entirely on our ears to see which one we prefer in the context of each setting/music.

[@israelking3029]

They really are very close. For most of the samples I preferred the Joyo pedal. It sounded more articulate and had a better response in the mid range to my ears. It's important if you're trying to cut through the mix in a four or five piece band. It's no surprise to me that the Joyo pedal performed so well. I own a few and they all sound amazing. Besides at one fifth the price it's really a no brainer. Joyo is the way to go IMO.

[@brownerthanu]

After owning the Joyo for a while I can tell the difference. Luckily I forgot the order before re-watching. The Joyo is brasher and bigger sounding, but it's also harsher. There is a pleasant texture to the TS9. I prefer it over the Joyo.

[@flingar]

I preferred the Joyo...

[@andreacaccese]

I might be wrong, but the Joyo is a copy of the 808 rather than the TS9 - I think this might account for the main difference in sound (to my ears, the Ibanez has a bit of a low mid bump compared to the joyo)

[@ald7248]

Yup - TubeScreamers were engineered with the mid-bump in mind.

[@danthegreaser71]

Beautiful! I could watch her work on this truck all day.

[@guitartones1924]

I prefer the sample A in most of the cases.

[@albertplaysguitar]

Holy smokes! I need a metal zone! You fooled me, man. Now if only Joyo would hurry up and ship me that little diamond in the rough.

[@Izzy1782]

got the Joyo for x-mas, paired it with the Joyo Tremolo, and never looked back! :D Guess this puts the whole "cheap Chinese clones are shit" argument to bed

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Izzy1782 yeah it's all about finding what works for us!

[@Izzy1782]

Nico Bellisario - Guitar, Music & Stuff Have you had the pleasure of trying the tiny Hotone pedals? Such a great line! As are most of the Donner minis

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Izzy1782 no never! But I will if I can, thanks for the advice :)

[@Izzy1782]

Nico Bellisario - Guitar, Music & Stuff Donner flanger beats out BOSS, and the Morpher distortion has gain for DAYS. The Ninety Orange goes great with a Dunlop Rotovibe as well lol

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

i'll check em out, thanks!

[@jnicorb]

Me gusta mucho más el sonido del palm mute del Joyo, es más agresivo y "gordo" me recuerda al metal pesado de los 80's La única diferencia que escucho es que el Joyo tiene un poquito más de agudos y gain que el TS9, el mejor clon que he escuchado

[@naftade]

the best thing in this video is the "Vito Corleone-Look" at 4:04 !!!🤣

[@fredericoferreira8388]

"A" sounds more agressive... they are veeeeery similar.. i would go with joyo

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks Frederico :)

[@ChaseFickett]

My ears heard a little more clarity in the higher frequencies with the Joyo! To each his own though! Both amazing pedals.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Well said! Thanks Chase :)

[@rockonileva]

In the first two SRV songs I prefered The Tube Screamer also as in La grange, but in the other in the AC/DC songs the Joyo sounded better.. and the others, i just couldn't tell which one was better.... And even when I chose a prefered one they were VERY close! I'm really impressed!

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+João Avelino insightful comment, thanks you!

[@rockonileva]

Nico Bellisario - Guitar, Music & Stuff in fact I bought one Vintage drive from joyo and I'll buy a ts9... I'll make the comparison with the songs I play as there are songs that sound better in a specific pedal

[@TheMrLoucrazy]

Show, João! Tb estou com o Joyo VtOd, aguardo tua comparação. vlw guitarpedia-blog.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/19930_San_Dimas_Brazil_Flag_C9337_1.jpg

[@StoTemPil]

Joyo make good pedal efects at low cost. Some people say that are trash but i've been using a Dyna Compressor and a Vitange Phaser for about a year and didnt have any problem, buuut these pedals are'nt clones, the Phaser is not like a Phase 90 or a Small Stone and the Dyna Compressor is'nt a clone of the MXR Dyna Comp. The Vintage Phaser plus my Deluxe Big Muff Pi make a awesone couple! Add the Dyna Compressor and you get a nasty infinite sustain. Good comparison btw, u got my subscription!

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks for your insight man and thanks for subscribing! Much appreciated :) bye!

[@fnzago]

I like the Joyo!! This pedal is Awesome!! More cheaper and do things better then TS9. And this pedal is beautiful by the way, Thanks man for this video

[@alessandromartino452]

At last a video where someone can choose a pedal without the prejudice of brand! I've listened many times the sample and..... I will buy a joyo, although ibanez sounds clearest, because I prefer the dirty sound of it... congratulations for the video

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks!

[@RisingHard]

the ts has a little bit more bass than the joyo thats why it creates an illusion of better brightness, but it just reveals that the ts has a better sound quality keeping the lows while on

[@Christian-hv6ii]

Great Vid and playing, i have the TS 808 and the HB vintage overdrive. Both are good. The Ibanez is more nasal, the vintage sounds a little more distorted. If money is not the question i recommend the Ibanez.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Christian Schroeter I ve always wanted a ts808! Sound aside, it looks way cooler than the ts9 😀

[@jimsgjam]

Wow...I thought for sure A was not the joyo....very impress with the sound....I pick A...thank you for a great demo...

[@juanmarino8436]

yo tambien uso el vintage overdrive y ac tone de joyo!!

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

I have both! cheers :)

[@davidstorm4015]

I'm listening with a quality laptop PC with great sound, through a quality pair of headphones. There is no comparison, Sample A is consistently better, it has more clarity, is not as muddy. Joyo wins by a mile. Great comparison by the way, one of the best I have seen.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+David Storm thanks David! :)

[@ericbelopolsky3851]

after this ... joyo ... on my "get" list. amazed. i selected the joyo! more "midrangey" to my ears. right down the middle, which i prefer.

[@joshmore7175]

Eric Belopolsky I’ve had one for about 4 years and honestly I was so impressed by the sound. It’s incredible for the money

[@ericbelopolsky3851]

Josh More thanks so much for your response. im now giong to put this on my list!

[@sonysoni5079]

Thanks Nico. Great comparison.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks! :)

[@bpdarragh]

Joyo was more responsive. Nice playing

[@redrum22]

Sample A sounds better for me. It has more punch to it. Subscribing

[@numero6285]

Not surprised by the result : B is more natural and deeper to my ears. I think to that TS9 is more pleasant to play, with better feeling.

[@scootergreen3]

Wow! You can tear it up man! Shredder.

[@wyneedsanacoustic]

Hey Nico, glad to be amongst your first 500 subscribers. Really good video right here. I actually liked sample A better and was praying the whole time that would be ts9, which is what I have. Would love it if you could do a video on John Mayer tone or maybe other ts9 tone stacking options. TS9s are really great for stacking

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Sean Wong woa Sean thanks! Great suggestions! I was thinking to do some stacking stuff later on and also making a series on how to get influential guitarists tone through playing and gear! Currently I' m working on a vid about getting the most out of our amps! Cheers!

[@wyneedsanacoustic]

That would be super man. Really good stuff that you're doing and I really dig it. Really hope to see your channel grow and let me know whenever you come to Singapore, would be great to have a beer and talk guitar. Ciao!

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks Sean, comments like these means a lot to me! That would be great to meet in singapore! I also have a facebook page, if you want to stay in touch! very small, but I think it's a great way to build and saty in close contact with you guys! the link is in the description! cheers :)

[@alakazamthisisasham]

wow i really am impressed with the tone of the joyo. i kept thinking sample A sounded better and I just assumed it was the tube screamer because it's more known and more expensive. might be buying a joyo!

[@thomasd9237]

👍👍 actually the joyo sounds surprisingly good. I don't think you can go wrong for the price

[@NorthernOpsGuy]

Great video!! I like the joyo better. I have one and guessed which one it was from the very first sample you played. Great, cheap overdrive!! 🤘🎸🤘

[@Bairdogg]

Great comparison, great playing.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Bairdogg Thanks man! :)

[@objectiveinteraction3798]

The joyo sounds better because of the loudness. You need to hear it live to do a comparison

[@bolshaw]

i thought A was the tube screamer to. but the surprise was to discover that B was the Metal Zone!! is that a modded metal zone?

[@drew945101]

Was it Really?? On second thought, I did catch the faint sound of a Cat caught in a Dumpster Fire... Dead giveaway.

[@marcmistermarc]

I was in a band Someone for 7 years who was a great guy, a good player and songwriter. When we started he had a good tone but after a year he bought a metal Zone. I ducking hated it so much. Then he bought a second metal zone to cascade. If someone can’t hear how awful that sounds by themselves there’s little point telling them i concluded.

[@addictedtogear]

I liked the Joyo more

[@ThePrinceofCatz]

I just ordered the Joyo so I was searching for reviews. I was sure that A was an Ibanez TS. I'm very happy with the results!

[@lobiu]

I have the joyo and i use it every rehearsal. I couldn't tell which one it was. Damn close. Just found the TS a little more bright. In the end, it's just different flavors of the same thing, none is really better. Joyo stuff is really impressive. By the way, subscribed !

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks man! much appreciated, keep rocking dem Joyos :) Cheers!

[@heavymetal11]

I did a video recording via phone camera on my revv g3 which has some random bad connections which result in lower output. The differences is obvious when u heard it thru live, but thru the recording the differences is minimum. If one is after better quality tone, especially at home.The differences became more obvious when u used the original one on a quality tube amp and a noise reduction room. But if one use it for gig or jam, i think no one would pay attention to the differences when the singer screams and the drum rolled. Depends on your need. Today budget pedals are just bang for the bucks.

[@DonnieFreymoyer]

The joyo as always I think these joy's are just way cleaner sounding circuit they all certainly use micro sized components too

[@BenDewhirstMusic]

Man, great video!

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks man!

[@littlefish_tvlftv6025]

B sounded better when used as a boost quite a different sound when used as a boost, more clarity on the notes with the Ibanez

[@davidcox5588]

Dig the way you presented it! Wish more vids were set with the "blind" comparison. Thanks!

[@kevinhaid6211]

I could tell immediately that B was the tube screamer by it’s thinner, quieter tone. Imo for my style of playing, the joyo blows the TS clean out of the water and sounds a world better. The TS was probably super impressive, back in 1983.

[@tomshaw6373]

You are correct. The TS was very impressive and we all had one. I'm off to get the Joyo though. It sounds like what I always wanted the Tube Scream to sound like.

[@whosyabobby]

The single notes give it away. Also I love your inebriated videos!

[@thehound2161]

That was funny. You got that Metal Zone to be so tame. Nice. I own 10 Joyo pedals and find them to be... well i own 10 so...

[@kuba2410]

wow! i prefered the joyo! didn´t expect this result...but i like it!

[@redrum22]

This video made me buy the vintage overdive. Only thing is its labeled Harley Benton. Same effect tho

[@RodrigoPereira-xx3en]

Very good test! I got it!!

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

glad it helped!

[@AlistairMaxwell77]

blind test : I thought a was a little better . not much in it , could probably tweak them to be virtually identical . I bought a joyo VO a few weeks ago . nothing bad to say , does its job very well. Build quality is not super but for 30$ I wouldn't worry about it.

[@sepvanvaleriofficial]

jOYO vintage overdrive was really impressive sounding

[@holyronin]

When you were setting them up, did you match the gain level by ear or use the knob positions? I much preferred the sound of A but I suspect it might be because it was set to higher gain

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Hey William! Both pedals were set identically as shown in the graphics. It seems to me as well, especially on lower gain settings that the Joyo has more gain but at full blast they seem almost the same. It also seems to me that the joyo has a fatter voicing while the tubescreamer has a bit more "sophisticated" voice, especially on single notes

[@holyronin]

The sound differences could also have been caused by the difference in pots due to tolerances and taper. For a closer comparison in future videos I'd suggest using one pedal as a reference and tweaking the other by ear to have a simular level of gain and treble. That way you can be more sure what you are hearing are differences in the circuit as opposed to the variations in components. Love the playing will be keeping an eye out for the next one

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+William Billington thanks William, and thanks for the advice!

[@qmarmcdevy5080]

Wow I'm surprised. Cause I preferred sample A which happens to be the joyo. Nice vid bud. Thanks for sharing it with us.

[@mike1967sam]

Hey Nico...my name's Mike...I live in Portugal...I have a big fucking collection of pedals and I've got the Joyo/Harley Benton Vintage OD and the Maxon OD808...but the Maxon is an 808 sound and the joyo that you are demoing is a TS9 sound.

[@GuitarStudent4Life]

Joyo, especialy when you compare prices🤩 🎸

[@kreatos10]

honestly, I found both to be better/worst on about as many samples. So, That means that they are different just enough for one to be better for certain stuff then the other. I though the mid-range definition (but not volume) was better on the Ts but the brightness and perhaps even level of the joyo was higher. The ts is definitely more warm. The joyo is more bright. Bottom line, in case of doubt, get both XD Edit: After checking down below the comments, I would like to say that if the output of the joyo is higher (which is not impossible) This can trick un-trained ears to think the volume increase means the sound is better. This is why when we record and album lets say, we make sure to first level out (approximately) all tracks to the same rough level to get a better idea of everything in the mix. Then, once you add effects, you have to volume match the before /after volume to get an accurate representation of the sound. If Nico Reads this : Can you let me know if they were volume matched in you Daw (Preferably in LUFS as we are listening to a Normalized audio from KZbin) ? Also, if not, id be very curious if you could make a new test and see if the results changes =) Alternatively, if you have the raw files of each still available, id be happy to do the simple volume match and re-ship them to you for a second test Video.

[@jjmcnicholas5443]

Great review.. I have both and the Tube Screamer is a Robert Keeley modded version. I prefer the Joyo, infront of the US Dream (Purple) Joyo pedal into a Blackstar amp - 80's rock sound.. really great and responsive.

[@DrDizzleFrizzle]

Tubescreamer with the single coils and Joyo with humbucker sounded best to my ears.

[@Ambermooneldridge]

The Tube Screamer sounded muddier. I guess the Joyo will be one of my next overdrive pedals.

[@tomshaw6373]

Well, I'll be damned. I've been playing with a Tube Screamer for 35 years. I was convinced that I knew which one was the TS. To my surprise, I was wrong. I need to improve my sound. Off to go purchase the Joyo. Sounds much better.

[@snottythe-snorlaxian4503]

I actually like A. Interesting. The Donner Blues Drive I also find better than both the Boss Blues Driver and the Waza Boss Blues Driver.

[@dagoldigol]

Nice reviews bro,by the way is joyo vintage overdrive works with distortion pedal's too..?

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Yeah👌

[@dagoldigol]

@@NicoBellisarioMusic Thnx bro,it's okay if i add t-rex booster?

[@marshill5362]

Just bought the Joyo today and was thinking the TS9 was A (which I much preferred) and felt I made the wrong purchase. But what a pleasant surprise!

[@joejeffery8581]

Definition and clarity was much better with the Joyo, but that wasn’t fair, man. Sample B was mushier. Nice playing though.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

Thanks Joe :)

[@bigwomp932]

I actually like A for most of the samples, and B for a few. Surprised me.

[@KozmykJ]

Preferred A but noted that B was a little more subdued/subtle which could be better for some applications. Pleasantly surprised that A was the Joyo, especially as I have the HB version ;^) And that with the "Ultimate Drive" gives a lot of variations 8^)

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

yeah, that's a great pairing! thanks for watching :)

[@carloschimallisalazar2592]

On some samples...indistinguishable! But Joyo takes it!

[@jaguar15ful]

Definitely Joyo overdrive the best. I love it.

[@Cam_B]

Sample A was more lively IMO. They were very similar but I'd say for the price I'd totally go with Joyo. I wouldn't recommend Donner or Behringer, however, due to their build quality. My friend and I have had problems with ours, especially Donner.

[@DominicAirola]

Gotta say I preferred B, but it was definitely close and I wasn’t at all confident that it was the TS.

[@greggaspard8960]

The Joyo won, hands down. To me, anyway. It just sounded more "alive"

[@123Ir0nman]

I liked B better but I think it's just a matter of moving the knobs a bit more to get the same sound. I already own the joyo btw. I mainly use it to boost into a higher gain drive and tighten the bottom end up.

[@AntonStratocaster]

Tengo el Joyo y es un pedal increíble por el precio la única diferencia con el Ibanez es que el Joyo con el drive a más del 75 % hace un poco mas de hum . Pero en sonido es prácticamente idéntico al Ibanez. Buena demo,me gusta su manera de tocar la guitarra tiene usted buen toque. 👍

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+AntonStratocaster gracias Anton! I try to do my best!

[@wallypie4938]

The TS9 is just stupidly more expensive I rather have the Joyo 💯

[@christiaandemarezoyens4720]

No preference here, however listening to the audios with quality speakers there is definitely more bass response from sample B. Thanks for the video, great playing by the way!

[@maartenstevens9848]

Cool video. I liked the A sound more. But indeed little difference from seemingly different pedals.

[@miguelangelperezderada8692]

i've got both, the volumen of the Joyo is much more high than the ts9 volumen, apart from that they are very similar, good video Nico

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Miguel Ángel Pérez De Rada thanks Miguel!

[@NotAnotherSatchFan]

If you can't choose, try Joyo because it's true bypass and smaller :D

[@SerenRogue]

Thumbs up to Joyo that is a great pedal still marginally prefered the TS9 I found it warmer but at the price difference... Id pick the joyo for starting out, maybe those ts808 handwired might be better but honestly the joyo looks way to good!

[@famousforever8556]

Don't forget you're hearing playback via MP3 not wav so we're losing a lot of the quality sound with the compression. The differences between the quality of the effects that the Ibanez provides may be lost in translation.

[@evanwilliams8908]

I was fooled. They both sound great.

[@remoteuser65]

Still Love My Joyo. Awesome Overdrive Pedal

[@Rodrigo-by4rd]

te mereces un like por el paint

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+lechuga yo thanks!

[@seanmoorey6400]

Riff Raff! Hell yeah.

[@paolomemo1826]

I had guessed that A tones were from the Joyo, maybe because they sounded a bit heftier, but I've just been lucky. Very very similar sounding. Great job on your part.

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Paolo Memo thanks Paolo! "Heftier" is a very fitting word choice indeed!

[@paolomemo1826]

Nico Bellisario - Guitar, Music & Stuff This adjective occurred to me listening to your test. It seems that there's one more Joyo clone of the TS(!) named Green Legend, defined as "creamier" by someone who tried it. The firm says it has the same chip that's in the Vintage. The two could be more suitable for different sound nuances, genres or guitar types... what about it Nico?

[@NicoBellisarioMusic]

+Paolo Memo I'm curious! Never heard about it...If I get the chance I'll try it!

[@leonthompson8988]

I liked the joyo. It sounded a bit fuller in the mids.

[@greevar]

At just one minute and fourteen seconds in, they both sound similar enough that it doesn't matter in a mix.

[@Voxaac]

HAHAHHAHA ARE YOU KIDDIN ME??? all the video thinking "A" was the expensive one XD. This video is GOD! I bought it yesterday and I knew it, that joyo was the best buy. Thanks for the vid!