Tudor Is Going To Surpass OMEGA...what about ROLEX?

[@colletdg]

I am Doug.

[@seattlegrrlie]

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[@twowheels833]

Hullo Doug

[@tyarnold4088]

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[@Lychegsye-nc6td]

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[@christian9387]

My experience buying my first watch is applicable to this video. I walked into the AD planning on buying a Seamaster, but I didn't like the way it looked on my wrist when I tried it on. I loved the Speedmaster on my wrist, but I didn't want to pay over $6000 at the time. I walked out with a BB58 and am still very happy with my purchase three years later.

[@boringoldman]

Tudor makes watches closer to 50’s Rolex/Tudor. That’s what we really want. The closer y’all get to that, the more we will buy. Keep getting closer!

[@Thomgxx100]

Ever heard of "Steinhart" ?

[@jakealexander6046]

@@Thomgxx100not until you told me and I searched it. That’s why Doug will not gravitate to it.

[@Thomgxx100]

@@jakealexander6046 Why? They can only go up in price. They are popular collectibles on the US market, and Sellita is one of Switzerlands most coolest independent watchmanufacturers ever. Buy low, sell high, is key to succes, Son, not snobbery!

[@boringoldman]

@@Thomgxx100 I have, yes. Not a horrible homage, but when my kid looks at pictures of me on adventures while young and sees that watch on my wrist and thinks, man, dad was a bad ass and he’s wearing a freaking Rolex/or (Tudor)!! he gave me…it just doesn’t sound as sexy when you go, oh, it wasn’t a Rolex, it was a Rolex look-alike 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mmohr1774]

Great statement

[@Coggdaddy]

What a great video that is IMO 100% accurate. I made my first “luxury” (>$1000) watch purchase a couple of months back when I purchased the Black Bay 54. I’ve always loved the Rolex Submariner, but that was out of the price range and the 40+mm case size was less than optimal, as I prefer 36-39mm cases. When the BB54 came out with the vintage submariner aesthetics in a 37mm case, it was perfection.

[@geno816]

I will say this.. Longines has been coming for Tudor lately. Making great watches

[@dan4logic500]

The longine Spirit Zulu definitely says that

[@geno816]

@@dan4logic500 I bought one last year. Picked it over the pro. I get compliments all the time

[@aaronmauer7225]

I think longines needs to be more focused. Too many watches in their collection

[@caseywai]

Agree! Their recent 2-3 years release are amazing. They are filling in the gap for entry level luxury watches with great value

[@youraveragepasser-by7367]

Heritage and gmt lines by them are amazing

[@kingofjakarta]

I remember first time trying Tudor, the smiley black bay. It was so simple watch, not blingy but fit perfectly in wrist. It looked natural & blending well in wrist. When I wore omega, I can see I'm wearing omega, the watch pops out. Tudor just gave the natural feeling

[@dfsa635]

Thing about Tudor is they've successfully made themselves fun to root for. Rolex, Omega, Patek -- they always win. Why cheer for them? Longines is has the same vibe as Tudor. They make mistakes but you just feel good about it when they make something cool.

[@MetalsForBrunch]

I wouldnt compare Longines and Tudor because Longines have been making watches wayyyyyyyy before rolex and tudor started. Longines have its own vibe and value.

[@arodbas]

Longines is doing great, unbeatable at their price level.

[@a-shaw-photo]

It’s akin to buying a Porsche (arguably the Rolex of the car world?) and if you can’t afford it, you might go for a Mercedes Benz (Tudor) and still feel like you’re in a high tier. Longines might be more akin to VW. Still good, reliable, a well-designed workhorse…but not a Mercedes. Replace cars in this analogy as you see fit 😂

[@MetalsForBrunch]

@@a-shaw-photo you have a terrible comparison between watches and cars.

[@a-shaw-photo]

@@MetalsForBrunch Ha well, I did make a mistake as I was changing car brands a lot. Edited to remove the Audi. Not a great analogy 😂 In short, buy what you like, what you can afford, and ignore the haters. They’re all great watches. The end.

[@maxfaberg128]

Tudor isn't just popping out vintage style watches but also the pricing is vintage

[@kyrilkaplan5011]

I think omega felt the bite I the ankles...and the response has been bad : they have raised their prices on existing models with no real innovation. Their idea was probably to be closer of rolex in term of prices, and hence to hope that will bring the luxury aura of Rolex. The problem is that all rolex wannabees are NOT watch enthusiast and thus will not put their money in a watch that is not a rolex. In the meantime, this raise, has cut themselves from the lower tier of their customers that can not spend so much on a watch...so where do they go ? Well Tudor is the next in line with a great value for money, in fact exactly what omega used to be a couple of years ago...and here we are : omega in the no man's land...As an omega hard core fan, I am really pissed by this situation...

[@sigve6165]

​@@kyrilkaplan5011this is a really good breakdown, they want to be Rolex, but dont have the right customers. Maybe if they cut down on production time will be nice to them

[@Peter-tc3ep]

@@kyrilkaplan5011 strange comment, many people that have Rolex’s like myself also have Omega’s and no Tudor’s. Tudor’s finish quality is so poor I have no interest in one, but yes I’m sure they are getting the “Doug” market since many non watch enthusiasts do not look at the details or movements. Personally think Omega has better finishing and movements then Rolex, Rolex has the cache and style for some of their watches which keeps them king of the mass market luxury brands.

[@jakealexander6046]

@@Peter-tc3ep I never had an omega but I have a tudor and rolex. What sort of finishing is lacking from Tudor? Also do you like Grand Seiko? their dials are great and their finishing is good from what i’ve been hearing.

[@dspserpico]

The pricing is literally vintage. Like the Ranger’s price is almost exactly the 1960’s price of a Rolex Explorer but adjusted for inflation.

[@L2snakegold]

I had a very similar experience to the scenario that you outlined. Not a watch guy and I wanted a submariner. Find out its basically unobtainable unless I want to spend 15k (grey at the time). Find out about BB58. NOT ONE BAD REVIEW ON KZbin. I wouldn't say it's the poor man's Rolex but it's the young professionals Rolex. Perfect watch as you join the workforce, out of college.

[@dsvillalva]

Great categorization. Not a poor man's rolex, but a watch for a younger and current generation that's relevant.

[@mrCORSA]

Spending $3k+ on a watch out of college is crazy HAHAHAH

[@forgettmenot]

@@mrCORSA Unless you worked hard and saved up quite a bit, or a humble trust fund kid

[@DudeEsq]

Hmm - interesting comparison. Tudor gets outsold by Longines, Tissot and TAG. Rolex, Cartier and Omega are true industry titans. Omega and Tudor are not in the same class.

[@imtoddv]

You guys killed it with this episode! I’ve been saying this for the last couple of years, only to be blasted by Rolex fanboys. Totally agree that Tudor is on a winning trajectory. Love the brand, and the fact that all of their watches are robust and built for life.

[@tudors_down]

I own several Tudors and an Omega so far. My feeling is that Tudor will not surpass them unless they reduce the thickness of their Black Bay line cases. And really, the snowflake hand needs to be smaller in width at the points. It's very chunky and reduces the refinement of the watch's appearance.

[@spoonraker]

When did you get your BB? I ask because Tudor _is_ reducing the BB's thickness. The first version of the 41mm BB that was thinner was the ceramic that was a bit of a niche watch, but now all the new master chronometers are thinner as well. Also the BB54 is thinner in addition to being much smaller overall. BB58 arguably was a step to get there too.

[@GreenPizza577]

I also want the snowflake hand to be less prominent. It distracts from reading the time. The thickness could be thinner I think the 54 does it well. I don’t know if I’m the only one but I like the ranger, but it looks like a homage watch could scratch that itch. Oh, and don't hold me back on Omega.

[@rickjason215]

Omega watches are thicker than Tudor. You have a useless, overly large helium release valve on the diver. Tudor's B01 chronograph is a better chronograph movement than anything Omega produces. Omega produces shiny watches with a low power reserve. I know they are the moon watch, and the Gearge Daniels escapement but highly overrated. Grand Seiko is also far superior.

[@NKKK85]

The HEV is a simply a design feature. Just like the overly distracting and distorting cyclops, as well as the snowflake hands. Different ppl get triggered by different stuff. And whats the adage again? Oh, "it grows on you". 1 thing that is true though. Only 1 BB actually got thinner - and thats the single METAS BB41. The non METAS BB41s and BB GMTs are the same thickness. Maybe eventually they will thin out. The BB54 and 58 are thinner for sure, but arent METAS. Hence poorer accuracy, lower anti-magnetism. Generally, most Tudor divers are lower on specs as well. Lower on water resistance, regular dial surface, regular aluminium inserts on bezel, Pelagos line not withstanding. And thats arguably why they are easily cheaper as well. We havent even talk abt case finishing and movement finishing (because most non-geeks wldnt care anyway). Tudor's T-Fit clasp works well though - however isnt it very long just like the SMP's clasp? And if we are complaining abt watches being too thick. How do we even put the Black Bay chrono into the same conversation? Lastly. Watches worn on space flights have to be manually wound with ease, due to the uncertain nature of the absence of gravity affecting the rotor's consistency in powering up the watch reserve in space. Manual-wound watches are therefore simply more reliable - in space. *Manual-wound watches are best fitted with a push-down crown due to the nature of the wearer's interaction with the crown. A watch that is inherently not suited for a screw-down crown, because of its need to be a manual-winding piece, will not be rated to more than 50m water resistance. There are very few exceptions to the norm. The Speedy Pro was made to be a Moonwatch (after passing the legendary tests). Its purpose was to be manned space flight certified. Hence keeping the aforementioned specs are its priorities. Criticising the Speedy Pro for not having 100m water resistance is as off-tangent as criticising a GMT-bezel for being bi-directional. These equipment were developed for their intended purpose. *As to why watches with manual-wound movements are best fitted with push-down rather than screw-down crowns. You just need to research about the Panerai's initial developments with the Italian navy to see the problems with fitting a screw-down crown onto a watch with a manual-winding movement. That so-called "iconic" crown guard wasnt "iconic" by design nor intent. It was stop-gap measure to paper over a massive flaw in concept. You will never see that "iconic" crown guard in the same light again.

[@tudors_down]

Yeah my BB is the GMT, but they all have had (the 41mm) that slab-sided case. Even some beveling would help with the appearance of it. I did note the New burgundy heritage this year and looks like they're finally addressing it. The snowflake on the 54 is, IMO, how they should all look. Unfortunately i have big wrists so the 58 and 54 don't quite look like sports watches on me.@@spoonraker

[@ErikL727]

Love and OWN both brands, but Tudor above Omega is delusions of grandeur. Omega has more watchmaking prowess, and they SHOULD. They made the first movement with interchangeable parts. They made watches that survived both World Wars. They made the first water resistant watch, and then AFTER all that, they went to the moon. Tudor can't take the risk of poking that bear via storytelling. Holding both in-hand, Omega displays better machining, finishing, movement architecture, and material science.

[@SIZZO76]

These utubers Are delusional and they are getting kickbacks from Tudor. Tudor is never passing OMEGA Tudor is the poor man’s Rolex 😂😂😂😂😂

[@thegraciefighter102]

At 2 x the price

[@ErikL727]

@@thegraciefighter102 not by a Longshot. Is an Aqua Terra 2x as much as a smooth bezel Black Bay 41? 🤣

[@chrishennemeyer7276]

It's worth noting that there are VASTLY more Omegas on the secondary market than Tudor, meaning you can buy many amazing Omegas for around $3k. Furthermore, there are lots of 39mm Speedy Reduceds and even 40mm ones for sale out there, in addition to the traditional 42s. Aqua Terras can be had in 34, 38, 38.5, and 41. So, I contend that Omega has at least as many size options as Tudor and far more interesting watches. I say that as an owner of four Tudors (but eight Omegas)!

[@miabeatz80]

Bravo! Somebody gets it. People who complain about omega watch sizes will never buy one. They just want an excuse to why they aren't buying. Speedy is currently the same thickness as a submariner but Rolex owners still find something else to complain about. OMG no micro adjust 🤬

[@mkyhou1160]

Those secondary market watches hurt Omega. They have damaged their lines with too many variants and special editions. Tudor isn’t perfect but they are listening to collectors providing what people are asking for, slimmer cases and more size options. I just picked up a BB 41 jubilee champagne, it’s basically a DJ without the date, slim and curvy case, it blows away Aqua Terra at lower price point. Omega is slipping behind.

[@miabeatz80]

@@mkyhou1160 when you say it blows it away you must be talking about the way it fits. The finishing, movement, reliability and value retention of the AT is much better than the BB. IMO if Omega added a taper to the current AT it would be a near perfect watch.

[@miabeatz80]

@@mkyhou1160 also you may wanna take a look at all those JCPenney looking watches Tudor have in their catalog that aren't BB. Honestly I wish Tudor didn't have so many Rolex homage watches and had an independent identity as well as done innovation. Omega has too many references but truth be told they are moving the most units next to Rolex while Tudor isn't even close to Hamilton in units.

[@chrishennemeyer7276]

@@mkyhou1160 Look, both Omega and Tudor make excellent watches, as evinced by the fact that I own both. My point is simply that when Christian and Michael say that Omega doesn't have the size range of Tudor or that they are too expensive, they're talking through their collective behinds.

[@seattlegrrlie]

I love my BB58 in Blue. I think the Pelagos 39 is as close to a perfect watch as exists. Tudor is on the right path. I hope they keep walking it

[@brandonwebb1254]

Great content as always. I disagree with the premise that Tudor will eclipse Omega. I just don’t see it. I would feel as if I was settling if I bought a Tudor…but that is just me. In addition, I believe that Cartier watches eclipsed Omega in sales for the past three years according to the Morgan Stanley publication.

[@SIZZO76]

I agree. Tudor is never surpassing Omega. These utubers no nothing. Tudor is a poor man’s Rolex 😂😂😂😂😂

[@miabeatz80]

Tudor has only made marginal strides since the rerelease. All those designs from the 2010s from Tudor are not seen that much in the wild. The only real gem they have is the Tudor submariner IMO.

[@BFit25]

I fully agree. It’s not close IMO.

[@SIZZO76]

@@miabeatz80 I agree

[@SIZZO76]

@@BFit25 I agree

[@jpcskeff]

Tudor BB 36 or 39 are epic watches, considering a Rolex explorer is almost double the cost in most cases. There’s never double the level of quality !

[@joshuakaplan5726]

Having an Omega SMP 300M Diver, Tudor Black Bay Pro, and Rolex DJ36 (fluted bezel, jubilee bracelet, blue-fluted motif dial), I can honestly say all 3 brands are exquisite at what they do within their price range. Tudor is gonna continue to dominate with hits as Omega increases prices and starts to price out buyers. Add the METAS factor to Tudor and it's gonna be hard for people to justify between the two if they are unsure. But at the end of the day people will still buy what they love....only if they can afford it.

[@davidmorris1090]

This is by far the best information on the internet. Why? One word: TRUTH. They don’t hold back and their insights are truly informative

[@eddiehe7454]

Tudor is my favorite watch brand last year and this year. Really hate how Rolex treat their customers nowadays, used to love them and always wanted to own another. I got my first submariner 10 years ago, it was an amazing experience.

[@TheAgeRating]

Just got a green seamaster 300m and love it , the build quality is fantastic

[@luisgabrielortiz2008]

Another great take! Wonderfully done gentlemen. Luis~ from Grand Caliber

[@cjdontthink2]

Loved the discussion about the women's watches as I'm trying to find my fiance a nice luxury automatic watch and it has been a struggle. Longines master collection almost won and the tudor 1926 is great too but no good two tone options, which is a requirement of the fiancé.

[@pendergasti2744]

I am the verge of making a watch purchase in the Omega & Tudor realm. I am leaning towards the Omega for a couple of reasons. The first reason I like the Omega over the Tudor is the dial, bracelet, and clasp on the Seamaster 300 over the Tudor Dials and T-fit clasp. The second reason I like the Omega better is the lack of a poor mans Rolex antidote. The small differences in the Omega features are worth the 2K price difference.

[@IAMAWESOMEO3000]

Owner of a speedy and seamaster here (felt it is important to note this :D). The type of people that consider Tudor the poor man's Rolex, more often than not also consider Omega to be that... if you can walk in an AD and buy the watch for less than a Roley, you're not rich enough for a Roley... It's only watch nerds like us that can appreciate and respect all 3 brands but also see their flaws. Always pick the watches you love! Don't be unnecessarily loyal to a brand, it's allowed to be part of multiple :D

[@PabloTBrave]

Sounds like you have decided you want an omega . Great choice I'm a pelagos LHD owner myself. You shouldn't be listening to the idiots who think Tudor is a poor man's Rolex most don't have a clue. You should be buying the watch you want their opinion is irrelevant, they can buy whatever they want too

[@a-shaw-photo]

Doesn’t matter which you pick bud. Buy what you like, not what others say is good or whatever. Tag, Longines, Tudor, Omega, Rolex, Zenith, Patek, Breitling, Ball, Vulcain…Et cetera. They are all extremely capable of telling the time and being serviced. Which do you like on your wrist? That’s all that matters. No-one else in your life will give a toss. I’ve owned modern Omega, Tudor, Rolex, JLC…all sold after experiencing them. No one cared but me. No one matters to be frank, but me and my opinion. If owning an Omega is part of your goals, then do it! But, don’t be sad if you don’t buy one because you prefer a Longines, or a Tudor, or a Casio!

[@AlSiguenza]

Definitely one of the best videos you guys have have made. Great content

[@Theoriginalcoolguy]

I bought a Tudor Black Bay basically because I couldn’t get a Rolex Submariner. I finally got a used Rolex Sub, and I ended up selling it and buying a Tudor GMT instead. Sometimes I think I should have just bought the GMT first and stopped there, but then I look at my Black Bay and I’m glad I still have it.

[@NationalParksArtist]

Sample size of one, but my wife has an Apple watch, a Tudor BB 31 blue dial, and a Nomos Tangente 33. I'd say she wears 45% Apple, 45% Tudor, and 10% (at most) Nomos. I think for many women somewhere in the BB 31/36 or 54/58 range is about perfect.

[@JenniferMcGlone]

I'm a female fan! And I collect vintage watches. You can ask me. But maybe I'm so unusual (in the 3% of your audience) that my opinion doesn't matter/isn't representative. Personally, I like vintage Omegas (they are smaller than current Omegas, most of which would never fit my 6.5 inch wrist), and I have three of them. Not likely to buy a Tudor, though, unless it is for my son. As Christian said, I want something more playful, more fun. I feel like I could find that in a vintage but quirky Cartier (like a wooden dial Tank), an Omega, or a Universal Geneve, or a watch from the "Grand Seiko vs King Seiko" showdown era, but not a Tudor. Sorry Tudor fans, please don't come for me! But hey, they don't need me or my demographic. They are killing it and I am the unusual one.

[@7aydar7aydar]

I know its not gonna happen but if tudor makes the bb58 gmt pepsi they will break all numbers out there…

[@snatched3630]

Kinda bummed you would suggest a Black Bay vs an Explorer, I think the Ranger from Tudor is a far easier pivot! I also think the Ranger is the first line that they can really push beside the black bay. I would get rid of the non-divers black bays in favor of a return of the princes and princesses if I was in charge!

[@Alexpress81]

if Tudor really listens - pls remove faux rivets from BB41 oyster. Ty )

[@thor_86]

I love these videos and would gladly watch one every single day. You guys should bring these out more than you already are

[@Mark-d6o]

I own a Tudor and an Omega. I'm good on Tudor's but I can think of 6 more Omega's that I want.

[@fearmydoctor84]

Purchased a new pelagos 39 from AD. Piss poor quality control with regards to movement and bezel lume. Tudor customer service is some of the worst I have dealt with. Realized I bought it because of all the online praise, but in person it is a very underwhelming watch, and then the subsequent problems with it means I am pretty much done with Tudor.

[@waterfordrs22]

Tudor seems to have had a good year in terms of direction. That BB54 is a great example of honing the BB to its full potential. It won’t be for everyone except those in the know, but the BB54 needs to be there. That said, Tudor doesn’t offer the kind of range of watches that Omega offers, not even close. They’ve got the BB & Pelagos, the rest shows potential but take something like the 1926, very much in need of refresh. While it seems reasonable to see Tudor as nipping at the heels of Omega, other strong players are catching on to Tudor’s comfy corner of the market place. They likely recognize it’s a niche where a lot of people are able to spend a modestly sizable chunk of cheddar without a ton of guilt or remorse, find a lot of satisfaction, then continue the process off on to the next watch in due time. From around 3-5K things start getting pretty damned good. Now Longines, Oris, Baume et Mercier and others are starting to target that price point and things should get interesting. Personally, I love Omega, though out of 1600 SKU’s I might pay attention to a dozen at most. I don’t believe this quiet year can only signal trouble at Omega. I do wish Omega would focus on skimming down their watches. Look at what it did for the revived ‘57 Speedmaster. I own a Railmaster which I hear is on the cusp of being pulled from the line again- it’s a great wearing watch, way more impressive in person. Omega- trim the fat please. I’d love to see Omega find way to promote and develop their Globemaster. More offerings like the ‘48 Seamaster. Offer sone fine smaller better proportioned watches, that’s a hallmark of vintage watches, that can even be offered in a new design.

[@iamoctonate]

Tudor having multiple sizes of identical watches is a huge pull for couples. I could go in with my partner and get a pair of Tudor 1926 watches, one at the 28mm size and one at 36mm. I have the choice of diamonds or numerals at the 3,6,9,12. And there is dial variety to choose from. Suddenly it becomes very easy for a couple to part with $8000 and leave the store with a his and hers watch.

[@mattw1406]

Surely it is easier to direct from a Rolex towards an Omega than towards a Tudor? Redirect to Tudor “you can’t get hold of a Rolex so have cheaper, less good version”…… or “Omega is as good as Rolex in terms of quality and technology (if not better) and is actually something you can choose over a Rolex without feeling short changed”

[@Spook291]

Tudor isn’t a Rolex company, Tudor and Rolex are both owned by the Wilsdorf Foundation. Rolex doesn’t own Tudor.

[@aaronmauer7225]

I am trying to get the black bay with red bezel on a jubilee bracelet and all the stores near me said they are having issues getting enough stock of it. The ADs all told me they did not expect the new Tudor to be selling this well

[@timmyhexham9603]

I bought a Tudor Pelagos 42. Love it. So many people comment about it.

[@SethCohen1]

The new Tudor Blackbay Burgundy 5 link is beautiful

[@stuartizon]

Thing is, Tudor is all Black bay these days, almost as much as AP is a Royal Oak company. I guess you could call it a unified design language, but to me it seems that Tudor makes one watch in various sizes/bezels. And if you like that style then great, and if you don't you buy elsewhere. We all know Omega makes too many variants of the Speedmaster, but at least it's distinct from the Seamaster/Aquaterra/Constellation etc

[@miabeatz80]

That part! Also Omega has a heritage of unique designs not homage designs from the parent company.

[@marcsmith-wl9pw]

As I sit here with my new Seiko 5GMT I totally still want the Tutor Pro.

[@samuelholly3116]

How did we not bring up the new big block chrono movement from one watch? Speaking of other model lines...

[@markdegaute2125]

Tudor need to fully convert the domed bezel Black Bays into a Datejust style watch by introducing Stick and a Roman markers. Then they should change the name to "Prince"

[@9elf]

Hey guys. Interesting video as always but I have a friendly suggestion. Stop down your lens for a less shallow depth of field or move the focus point back a bit. When you ( Christian ) lean back you are out of focus and that happens a lot. Other than that, great as always. Cheers

[@jassingh113]

So wish, Omega just condenses the watchlines to 1 watch per line with 3 dials (black / Blue/ White) And 2 sizes. Seamaster: x3 dials (minus the helium valve) 36mm + 41mm Planet Ocean: stand-alone line for deep ocean diver. (41mm 43mm) Speedmaster: x1 Manual wind moon watch (41mm) X1 automatic “non moon watch Chronograph” (41mm) Globe master: 36mm + 41mm Stand-alone flagship Omega GMT 36mm + 41mm Omega Constellation: carve it out as separate line and use it as “new integrated bracelet” offer in the market. (36mm / 41mm)

[@MPerry-ox9qb]

Three dial colors only…boring.

[@jassingh113]

@@MPerry-ox9qb start with basics and build from there. Majority of the buyers stick to safe standard dials.

[@blakehirsch1022]

"Tudor is going to surpass Omega." Yeah, no. Tudor will forever live in Rolex's shadow as the Rolex homage brand.

[@Mans1810]

Having different sizes foe the same watch is a huge differentiator. Im stunned Omega doesnt get it especially with the Aquaterra. How come there is no 36mm Aquaterra. It's crazy to me. Finally went for the OP36 despite trying the 38mm Aquaterra many times and trying to convince myself that itns the one.

[@IrishScribbler]

Because there’s already a 38mm and a 41mm Aqua Terra 🤦🏻

[@mewdawn917]

Tudor also has the liberty to be much more experimental, providing a sense of innovation that Rolex later adopts. From using more niche case materials to aggressively changing the design of the Pelagos or producing outright novel models (P01). It's an easy winner for anyone that likes the Rolex design, quality and looks just packaged in a different brand and style.

[@Cmdtheartist]

Nico chimed in on this, too. Having said that, taking into account my own financial situation, we might as well be talking about real-estate prices on Mars.

[@ams914]

I think Tudor should employ exhibition case-backs and invest in some fine decoration. That would help close the gap between them and Omega from a visual appearance point of view. I get that closed case-backs are consistent with vintage styling, but I think the average consumer would appreciate it.

[@EDHBlvd]

They had at least 3 watches with exhibition case-backs. The BB58 925 and gold. The BB Ceramic. They may have more. I think the reason they don’t do this more is their movement isn’t very decorated.

[@NKKK85]

They cld go exhibition caseback. But they would have to invest a lot more in movement finishing. The combination of those 2 upgrades would all but close away the $2k gap in their price tag against a comparable Omega piece - and along with that, Tudor's most enticing selling point against Omega as well. Keeping materials cheaper, case finishing simpler, movement finishing industrial, is how Tudor stays cheaper.

[@jaykwonzzz]

Maybe for some models, but the dive watches are very tool-ish. Putting an exhibition case back on them removes that.

[@ams914]

How so? I've heard that argument before but don't buy it. Omega Planet Ocean models have display backs and insane depth ratings. We're in the modern age. A sapphire crystal pressed against your wrist is not going to be an issue in the water, IMHO. I'm sure technically it's more at risk of an issue, but in reality, I don't think that would ever happen@@jaykwonzzz

[@lonewolfemcquade8133]

@@jaykwonzzz I have to agree 👍 I don't care about a open case back on a dive watch and prefer a solid case back. It just feels like its trying to be something it isn't. Now a Zenith El primero with a open case back is a different story and own one. Even though I probably looked at the movement only once or twice lol and it really doesn't feel like something I "Have to have"

[@MorganTame]

Fantastic discussion!

[@richardweir3342]

How in the Hell could Tudor surpass Omega, in Unit sales maybe, the same as swatch outsells Patek, but Tudor can not compete with Omega in Quality or Horology. They make basic watches. No real inovation

[@rtylerjames]

You caught me with a possible purple black bay or even a pelagos..... Stop toying with me. Yes purple is the next color to take off.... Stop baiting me with my favorite color.

[@sherwindelapaz5302]

In my honest opinion, Omega is closer to overtaking Rolex than Tudor is to overtaking Omega. Let’s not push that Tudor catching up to Omega narrative please. Tudor is Longines level if we are being realistic. 💯

[@t.h.1982]

Great breakdown. Have two BB58s because the 39 works for me. Also love my 39 Explorer and 39 SeaQ. Considering the 39 Pelegose but not wild about the sunburst dial. I would love the Ed White Speedy size, but don't want to pay crazy money for a Speedy. If I go with a normal Speedy, it is 42.; which is not in my size range. I think your point.

[@anthonyb2990]

You want what you want and you should never compromise. I know every Tudor model and since they're half the price as a Sub and much easier to obtain at retail I looked into them. Ultimately it would be a mistake for me to buy one because every time I would look down at the time I would think to myself "oh I settled, that's not my grail watch."

[@petrmilota6398]

I do own BB58 bronze boutique edition and FXD22 and I am hooked.. I would love to have a Rolex but I am not spending double above the retail and waiting for a year+ is annoying AF

[@ads-porewealth96]

I really regret buying the black bay gmt … it’s just so thick.. looks all high up and silly on the wrist … I know you didn’t ask or anything….

[@miabeatz80]

I remember when the black Bay first released in the late 2010s and I tried them on. Hockey puck on the wrist. I also couldn't get over the fake rivets which are not a flattering design choice. All of their gold watches look like they are gold plated 🤮

[@Freethinkers19849]

Tudor doesn’t have the quality that Omega has

[@Mega-zi7ys]

Yes and Tudor is logines competition Logines is running circles around Tudor. Longines has 5.6% global market share in value terms just behind AP #7. Tudor has less than 2% global market share far down there not even close to #10

[@Freethinkers19849]

@@Mega-zi7ys agree my man. Can’t compare omega to Tudor either. Omega is quality

[@eddieashley1553]

As an owner of a Tudor I agree but I don’t like the looks of Omega and for the most part Omega cost more.

[@adnoh]

Taking the watch enthusiasts out of the equation, Tudor’s growth has pretty much been due to the general public buying them thinking they are getting a Rolex quality watch at a lower price ( Lexus for the price of a Toyota). These customers won’t likely be returning to Tudor and with the market slow down will not have any growth.

[@SIZZO76]

You speak truth my friend

[@-Jason-L]

The general public doesn't know Tudor's link with rolex

[@SIZZO76]

@@-Jason-L Tudor ain’t it! It is a imitation Rolex and know one cares about Tudor in the real world. Tudor is for social media fanboys😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

My wife loves the BB32 silver dial it would be great if they made the 32mm in more feminine coloured dials

[@emiliezc]

Yes i totally agree!

[@craigwoolbert2443]

Great stuff guys

[@karbuckle8294]

I literally tried on a blackbay chrono shortly after they refined it… Was looking on KZbin for opinions and everyone loved it… I went back and bought the reverse panda later that week. Just how you said it happens! 😂

[@romanopeterj]

I just traded in a 4 year old Omega 300M Professional for a brand new Tudor BB 58 (I have 7 inch wrist). I absolutely love the weight and look of the BB 58. I’m even considering a blue Tudor Royal 41 Date day as a next purchase.

[@michaelriera6277]

I was recently in a similar situation with having to decide between an Omega Seamaster Diver 300 and a BB58 black. I went back and forth but ultimately went for the BB58. It just looks so good and wears so nice.

[@beermansf9791]

I just bought a Tudor Pepsi GMT on a leather strap. Awesome watch

[@robcarrier1969]

If you look at a 1980s TAG Heuer catalogue they used to make a lot of watches in three different sizes, some even in 4 different sizes. I can't understand why they can't do this these days, and I mean identical... not the 43mm has a ceramic bezel the 40mm, is steel, all the same.

[@carlosned2564]

Tudor v omega movements? Omega wins hands down

[@neilkwok]

I love the Omega brand - their story, history, etc...is great. Unfortunately their watches just don't appeal to me (a person with small wrists). Their movement is just too chunky and dial size variations are limited.

[@DMSChannel15]

What Tudor model is on the videos thumbnail.

[@tackontitan]

I still prefer omega because it's not the cheaper brand. I own both but I love my omegas better than my Tudors

[@joemorris2964]

Bought my wife a tudor royal 38mm. Looks really good on her, i think that is Tudors womans watch although I am aware men can wear it. I also own a Tudor Harrods Black Bay and an Omega planet ocean. Both great watches. Omega seems slightly more refined but costs a lot more.

[@Tockahontas]

TBH Longines is killing it ATM...most interesting prestigious watch Brand at around 3 to 4k right now

[@TommyRibs]

There are smaller Speedmasters. They are actually really nice.

[@watiieagle5117]

Tudors quality control issues this year, i believe, could be a large hindrance if they don’t start fixing it.

[@tonyrome655]

There was a smaller Speedmaster, the Speedmaster Reduced.

[@miabeatz80]

Exactly and it didn't sell and still isn't selling to all the people who want smaller. It's just the way Rolex fans constantly move the goalpost. 😂 Besides they don't make a submariner in all said variants. Only reason Tudor does it is because the black Bay is the only model that consistently sells so the have to exploit that. Let's face it they don't seem to be able to make a brand new non homage design that sells in a major way.

[@m.e.p.r]

100% agree. - Backed by Rolex. - At this point Tudor are essentially releasing vintage Rolex divers, GMTs etc. - Price point (sweet spot). - Build quality. - Availability. - Brand cache.

[@swampscott2670]

Yes. Or in other words: many Tudors are what we wish modern Rolexes were.

[@Dialandhands]

Not just vintage inspired but with the pelagos line too. They cover almost every base in the market. We just need an update/rebrand of the glamour date line to get a true datejust/day-date alternative. Be nice if they brought back the Prince Date for the update.

[@geno816]

I think Omega is a better watch than Tudor. They are on Par with Rolex. Their problem is that they have too many options. Too many colors. Also, their diver bracelet is so bad. On the 300m. Will you taper it?

[@tdude129]

Where’s Christian’s shirt from though????

[@arnoldsevilla2557]

The Tudor big block in your collection is where it’s at. 🔥

[@emiliezc]

I totally agree that they need a perfect women’s watch! I personally own a BB32 smiley and it’s beautiful but I would totally get another. Or even bring back the lady sub, that would be cool

[@tom56340]

Fellas what about a live Q&A? that would be awesome

[@kyrilkaplan5011]

I think omega felt the bite I the ankles...and the response has been bad : they have raised their prices on existing models with no real innovation. Their idea was probably to be closer of rolex in term of prices, and hence to hope that will bring the luxury aura of Rolex. The problem is that all rolex wannabees are NOT watch enthusiast and thus will not put their money in a watch that is not a rolex. In the meantime, this raise, has cut themselves from the lower tier of their customers that can not spend so much on a watch...so where do they go ? Well Tudor is the next in line with a great value for money, in fact exactly what omega used to be a couple of years ago...and here we are : omega in the no man's land...As an omega hard core fan, I am really pissed by this situation...

[@kc2sc]

Holding out for a 41MM, blue bezel/dial on jubilee bracelet. I think that would be beautiful watch. Who knows...Maybe next year?

[@jadomi2076]

Could it be that Tudor, like Rolex aren't actually for watch enthusiasts but for common people to no brainer purchase?

[@jeffreyfehlmann7234]

Rolex doesn't want my money. why should I give to the sister company?

[@SpilkersKompass]

Wait a second… Speedmasters are available in 38mm 39.7 mm 42 mm 43 mm 44.25 mm Is it then about the same look across the sizes?

[@thedustyengineer]

I think Tudor needs several more big hitters on their bench before they can approach Omega. Their sports watch designs are not varied enough (yet). BB58 and Pelagos will only get them so far. They have the Rolex heritage but none of the prestige, and an existing and persistent feeling in the watch community of "You buy a Tudor when you're not patient enough to save (or just can't afford) a Rolex." I disagree with that and think the brand is starting to stand on their own, but to non-watch enthusiasts, Tudor has a long way to go in terms of desirability and name recognition. They are making big strides, but still living in the shadow of Rolex with their new "Explorer II" and "GMT Master II" homages. They also need to fix their horrendous case design. So unrefined for the price, and only 41mm case size being available in a lot of models is cutting out anyone with an under 7" wrist, which is a huge section of the market.

[@oleg274]

Man, Tudors are available in VARIETY of sizes - 34/36/39/41/42/44. Maybe I missed some. Also, Tudor is on average 2.5-3 times cheaper than Rolex so I don’t think it’s the same target customer. I own Tudor, but I am not on a list for Rolex because it is too expensive watch for me. I think they own other models apart from BB58 and Pelagos which are very popular with waitlists on some of them - new BB36, new BB 41 burgundy, Ranger

[@thedustyengineer]

@@oleg274 Not every model - some of their most desirable (i.e. the Black Bay GMT) are only available in 41mm. We are starting to see secondhand Rolex prices come down quite a lot, I bought an Explorer for under $5k a couple of weeks ago. A lot of people who splurged/overextended themselves in the last couple of years are offloading watches now as student loans are coming due/the economy is tightening up. I don't know many people who would buy a Tudor for close to the same price as a secondhand Rolex. Some Rolex watches will always demand a premium (i.e. Daytona, Pepsi, etc.) but buying an unrefined homage watch for thousands of dollars instead of a more elegant and non-homage design that stands on its own seems kind of silly. Like, why would I buy a Tudor Chrono over a Zenith El Primero (or even a Moonwatch)? As far as homage watches are concerned, there are plenty of equal quality if not better in the market than Tudor for most Rolex models. Certain models are a fantastic value. I think the BB36 and Ranger are prime examples of that. I agree. They are also where Tudor is shining - in designs that aren't homages to Rolex watches. They need more of that, and badly. If someone is already spending thousands of dollars on a watch, they're likely going to go for the higher end. Tudor is playing in the middle of the market where they're going to be squeezed if they can't do more to stand out and not just pay homage to Rolex. I personally like Tudor as a brand and I hope they grow, but they are a long way from having the perceived value and proven lineup of Omega.

[@VmanStudioz]

True that ⌚️💪🏼

[@Milofchg]

Tudor will always be the poor man’s Rolex. It became what Rolex use to be (somewhat) but it has a very long way to stand next to Omega. If Rolex is always playing catch up, and behind the times by 5 years. Rolex positioned Tudor to compete with Omega just to keep attention and what Rolex can’t do away from Rolex vs Omega debate. Tudor needs to ease off the Black Bay. They need to make solid precious metal watches. They need to make a Tudor version of the Daytona (tri register chrono). They need to make a proper Tudor Submariner. THEN we can start to compare. Only Rolex fans bring up the Omega Tudor debate because Rolex will fall short against Omega all the time.

[@SIZZO76]

Tudor is trash 🗑️

[@jurepog]

I can't decide if I want a Cartier tank must or a Tudor pelagos 39. I wan't both watches and will probably have both in the end but can't decide what to get first. If the cartier had 50m of water resistance I'd get that first and put it on a nice bracelet, but the cartier specs are weak af comparing to the tudor. Suggestions?

[@RabbitWatchShop]

The Tudor, because you can wear it everyday everywhere. The tank is a dress watch, but if you line of work requires a business dress code, go with the tank.

[@therinsig]

Maybe I'm alone but I don't really like Tudor. I've tried -- owned two Black Bays -- and never fell in love with them. I'd rather own an Omega (but I don't, at the moment).

[@SIZZO76]

You are not along. Tudor is a poor man’s Rolex and is overrated and overpriced 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mrosleeahmad5394]

what does a curator of a podcasr mean anyway

[@warbeak2099]

Omega is my favorite watch brand, but this is a perfect explanation of why it's so frustrating to be a fan of them right now. They don't listen to enthusiasts, they don't listen to the average walk in customer, they don't listen to market trends, they just don't listen. They are stuck in a loop of sniffing their own farts and calling it perfume. Their marketing is terrible. They treat social media like a static bulletin board, like a website. They don't use it to engage with customers, they use it to engage with... themselves? At what point do I as an Omega fan say, "gee there really isn't a reason to like Omega anymore"?

[@miabeatz80]

I am a huge Omega fan and I agree with your point to an extent. I often have to remind myself the Omega is a company that needs to satisfy many tastes. That includes other countries that gravitate towards a design ethos that I don't. They need to sell to many different markets. Would the Seamaster be knockout if it were as slim as my 50th anniversary bond? Yes, however if by making it slightly thicker to accommodate metas Caliber movement I just have to deal with it. My only real gripe is why not make slight taper on the bracelet and smaller clasp. Maybe on the next one.

[@miabeatz80]

Also remember they only came out with the current model in 2018 they can't change it so quickly or it makes them look unsure of their designs. The last speedy looked the same since 2010.

[@warbeak2099]

@miabeatz80 sure but that's not the issue. They keep coming out with models no one asked for (43mm AT Worldtimer) instead of fixing gaps in their catalogue (no midsize SMP, no wearable GMT). As stated in this video, Tudor has a Black Bay for any wrist size, albeit not in a thousand different color combos. They've got a 37mm, 39mm, and 41mm. Omega's Seamaster line is all over the place by comparison. They've technically got a 39.5mm PO, a 41mm SM300, and 42mm SMP 300M, but they are all wildly different watches with vastly different proportions relative to their case widths. They also don't make much sense where they sit in the product line. The PO is an all out beastly, technical, deep dive watch. That should be the biggest Seamaster available. 43mm makes sense for this line, not 39.5mm. The SMP 300M is the more in between, technical but more versatile diver. 41-42mm is ok, but the current lug to lug is a bit much. The previous generation's proportions were perfect and still could have accommodated the 8800 movement. The SM300 is their vintage styled diver and should by all logic be the smallest offering. Here is where a 39mm Seamaster diver makes sense. I'd offer a 4th option too as something Omega could add to the catalogue. A SMP 200M in a modern, 39mm case, with ceramic scalloped bezel and no helium escape valve. It would be a smaller, thinner, less capable offering that could be offered for smaller wrists at a slightly lower price. Now if they could just figure out how to make a GMT that isn't 17mm thick. Oh I don't know, maybe don't put it in the product line that mandates a 600m depth rating. Perhaps an SMP 200M line could more reasonably accommodate a GMT diver...

[@miabeatz80]

@@warbeak2099 I hear you. Some of your points make sense. Something to consider the smaller sizes that you want are currently offered just not in the styles (you) want. Seamaster AT is offered in as low as 28mm. Speedy is also in women sizes. In the past they have sold 300m in 36mm but they didn't do well. This is a multi million dollar company making decision that will make the most money. They know which styles sell the most to their current audience and that's what they go with hence all the special edition Speedy that always sell. In an ideal situation there are plenty of improvements and changes I would like to see but I would rather them produce what the current buyers want so they can continue to innovate. They've been in the business for over 100 years. I'm sure they know much more than us 😂.

[@miabeatz80]

​@@warbeak2099 something to also consider is that yes I too would prefer a slimmer GMT as I own the 50th anniversary GMT but would like the new movement. However, the only brands that offer slimmer case GMT cost far more or are unavailable at retail (cough Rolex). The AT is the most vintage inspired driver save for the heritage model. That's why it's offered in smaller sizes unlike the 300m. I think the biggest problem in giving us what we want is that the brands who offer very successful GMT either sell them for far more or they just aren't offered in bulk so they sell out quick. Considering the average person only wants a time and date watch the other movements are really hero items to the company. Especially since most of the movements give you a jumping hour feature which is the same as GMT when you think about it. A smaller world time would simply be illegible.

[@davenordsieck6444]

My wife isn’t that into watches (so I’m her watch sommelier). She’s got an Apple Watch, Cartier Tank Solarbeat, the Longines moon phase you showed, a 38mm teal dial Seiko 5, and a DJ31 steel and YG fluted/jubilee. I could not get her at all interested in Tudor, even though I really like Tudor and have one myself.

[@danielpolgar2365]

I just want to know the story behind Michael's "piszkos gyerek" tattoo on his arm as I'm watching this video from Budapest :D lol

[@Peter-tc3ep]

Depends if the watch market styles change, if the Blackbay or Sub style becomes less popular and slightly more dress becomes popular Tudor has nothing. Personally not a fan of how poorly finished Tudor watches are for their price point, even cheaper Nomos watches look much nicer finished.

[@SIZZO76]

Tudor is a poor man’s Rolex 😂😂😂

[@alexandergurdebeke1214]

Absolute BS. The finish is great

[@tiagocarvalho6257]

Oh boy. You cannot really compare Tudor to Omega. Omega has brand recognition, history, heritage, more variety, moon, Olympics, JB, and quality is much better. I own a BB58, but sorry, this video was a complete miss.

[@word42069]

I know it’s not the “poor man’s Rolex” anymore… but I still see it as the entry level Rolex. I’m saving up for a Datejust of some formulation but who knows, maybe I’ll cave and just buy the BlackBay Pro this weekend.

[@NKKK85]

Tudors are robust, classic and handsome. Until you put them side by side with an Omega and really observe the intricate details. Its always about the details, isnt it. Or is it? As Christian and Michael rightly points out, 9/10 folks arent about the details. Its usually Rolex, or the cheapest alternative one can get that looks like it. And one of Tudor's greatest selling point, is that it is quite abit cheaper than an Omega, and looks alot closer to an imaginary Rolex (from a distance). And yes, in the details, a Tudor isnt a Rolex. But I think we settled that debate about who "dives" into details. How many BBs have been mistaken for Subs? How many BB pros are gonna be mistaken for Explorer IIs? You are never going to mistake a SMP for a Sub, or a Speedy (whichever of its 599 variant) for a Daytona. Because they arent trying to be. And that might also be Tudor's selling point. For the guy who wants a Rollie, but cant get it, it feels enticing that buying a Tudor is buying into the Rollie family. This is also why as Michael said, its easier to convert an Explorer-seeker to a BB, rather than an Omega AT. Not just because 1 is cheaper than the other. But also because 1 looks alot more like a Rolex than the other. Its the allure of buying into the Rollie family. At least thats what the ADs want you to think. However, then it begs the qns. Have Tudor indeed truly risen out of the shadow and stigma of being Rolex's cheap cousin - as proclaimed by Teddy Baldassarre some years back, about the rise of Tudor through the BB emergence. Will Tudor still be on the ascendancy if their BBs do not come predictably with single crown, coin-edge bezel, 3-link / Jubilee (sorry 5-link) bracelet, and duo-coloured bezels on the BB GMTs that look exactly like the GMT Master IIs. Oh wait, thats the (Original) Pelagos isnt it! With a rugged HEV at the side and what an innovative (while polarising) clasp. Yet its the BB that shot Tudor to fame. Sorry Pelagos, you were awesome, but you arent Rollie-enough. And you were always the hidden sibling to the BB. Until they made a smaller version of you, that is basically all but a BB-Titanium.

[@David-nx2vm]

…because many Tudor buyers can’t get their hands on a Rolex at the AD, so they “settle” for Tudor as an almost-Rolex. ADs reinforce it when potential Rolex buyers see the exhibition-only watches and the sales person gently nudges them towards the Tudor display case that is full of watches for sale right now. The connective tissue is there of course. I don’t think a typical enthusiast who wants a Daytona is going to reflexively pivot towards a Speedmaster.

[@davec4224]

Truth