Tudor Pelagos 42mm VS San Martin SN0121G: Crazy Comparison!!

[@Tom_H327]

Looks like SM is smokin' Tudor these days.

[@WristWatching]

Fantastic comparison mate! Hard to argue with the incredible value for money provided of the San Martin.

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much!

[@AlexanderB.]

Overall I like the San Martin. I'm quite impressed by how well they managed to integrate the date window. The matt bezel insert is also great, I'd like to see more of these. One thing I would like to see changed are the polished chamfers. I know San Martin like to show off their case finishing. But to emphasise the toolish character of the watch I would prefer brushed chamfers like the Tudor has.

[@Horologique]

Let's see how they do the Titanium version 😁

[@asiantimepieces]

We all love this comparison videos. They are very informative and entertaining! Thanks for doing it 👏👏🍻

[@watch-box]

Great comparison - San Martin make some fantastic watches, no doubt, but as with a lot of designs its better to wait for a V2 or V3 if you can to get the best result. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much my robot friend. You are right, it's sometimes better to wait for V2 or 3.as proof, it appears they will6be releasing this in Titanium

[@ArtoftheDial]

Thanks for the comparison. I got both of the no-dates before they sold out and compared it to some other San Martins. This one is worth the hype.

[@brian4407]

Would like to see a Miyota 9015 and slimmer case for next version.

[@Horologique]

That is a great idea 👍

[@watch-box]

And a hardness coating on the titanium, similar to the ultrahex that RZE use (those titanium watches are bulletproof)!

[@sinjinadams2862]

I think San Martin did a fantastic job with this watch. Watch Dives has already come out and said a Titanium version will be released soon. So that's good! I may be in the minority but I wish the watch was larger like the Tudor and I also wish it had the helium escape valve. I find it odd that San Martin put the helium escape valve on their recently released Titanium Submariner homage, SN0111T but not on this watch.

[@Horologique]

I have also heard the Titanium rumors about this watch, that would be wonderdul! It's a valid point about the HEV

[@WillyMcCoy50]

I like the Pelagos for its looks and innovations (Clasp/Matte Bezel). There are a couple things I can appreciate yet do not favor in the Pelagos. 41mm/22mm strap width and a date feature that compromise symmetry. I purchased the Blue San Martin 6200 Snowflake Limited Edition. At the same time I purchased the San Martin Adjustable On-The-Fly Clasp. This gives me the size (39mm) I want and on the go bracelet sizing I like. The height of the San Martin indices on the dial I prefer and the blue AR and Blue dial are superbé! The only thing that I am concerned about is the glossiness of the San Martins' bezel. I like the Matte finish much more. I think I have found a work-around for that too. The divers extension is nice but I never wear a scuba suit and I find rubber bondage suits abhorrent. I always enjoy your videos and I like your Pelagos!

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much! Yes, the Pelagos is not a perfect watch. The SM 62000 is an amazing watch, and with that adjustable clasp it must really be killer, congrats 👍

[@michaelj8793]

Happy Fathers Day my friend I hope all is well with you and and Thanks for sharing another great review 👍

[@Horologique]

That is really nice, happy fathers day to you too and thank you!

[@F3ARcsgo]

I talked with Watchdives and they told me they ARE gonna do a titanium version, grade 5, it comes out in july. Don't know exactly when tho, but the stainless steel should comeback on the 1st of july

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much, I'll try to secure that watch for a direct comparison 😁

[@3rdstone1]

Great video as usual. Excellent comparision points here. I've actually never been a huge fan of Tudor divers (I know, I'll see myself out lol). Nevertheless I highly enjyoy comparisions like this. Of course the Tudor will win in some quality aspects (which it should considering the price difference), but the SM holds up pretty well here. I actually prefer the darker dial and less text. 42mm vs 39mm is a subjective matter, having a 6.5 inch wrist I might prefer the latter (even though I own some 42mm divers that works for me). I also might be a bit controversial here, but titanium steel doesn't really do it for me. I got a Heimdallr SKX model which I chose because of the fun dial, and I also own a Zelos Swordfish, both titanium. I really enjoy both of them, but while I appreciate the lightness, their sensitivity to scratches is always bugging me. But that's just me lol.

[@Horologique]

Thank you very much! Indeed the San Martin turns out really well, especially if you consider that it's only 5% of the price of the Tudor. I totally understand about Titanium, the aspect is not always as appealing as stainless steel or the brushing as well made

[@drmpac]

Love your watch reviews - very informative and well considered

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much!

[@harleydawgg9078]

Great comparison my friend. The San Martin is a great price alternative, while maintaining good quality and lume. 👍🏼

[@Michaelzz1]

San Martin are the masters of good sizing and proportions.

[@PocketUau]

You should absolutely check out their new grade 5 titanium Sea Dweller homage. It looks bonkers for $400. Also, the SN0111G is not a Pelagos homage. It is a Submariner homage with a Snowflake dial, as if Tudor still produced their version of the Submariner today. It's a homage of a watch that doesn't exist, and never will since Rolex would fear downplaying their brand and product image.

[@Horologique]

Thank you very much for the recommendation, I absolutely would like to check their SD homage!

[@rem9011]

The Tudor even has a crooked date wheel... incredible how some Swiss brands manage to get away with low quality for insane price...! I bet if you were to give these watches to someone without any prior knowledge of the brand, many if not most would say that the SM is more expensive.

[@Horologique]

The Tudor's date is not crooked, maybe it must be the camera angle. But yes, I've had Swiss Made watches, even at luxury levels with significant QC issues

[@matias22tk]

Why ask SM to make a titanium version if the stainless steel is the same weight as the original pelagos?

[@johnswatchjoint]

Hi there. I must say I seem to be the unlucky one! I managed to get one before they sold out. Not impressed. Like another commenter I have a misaligned chapter ring and bezel. Was gonna send it back but will put up my review simply because SM are starting a trend here with qc issues. Last couple of SM dive watches have had bezel issues and it has to be highlighted.

[@itsallrobbish]

The San Martin is very impressive. Nice comparison.

[@Horologique]

Thanks!

[@emberkedves6330]

they make respect for the older version tudor dial with the darker dial or deeper blue dial i think sooo

[@XjohnjohnX88]

J'ai adoré la vidéo. Vraiment très intéressante ! SM a quand-même fait du super boulot pour une montre à ce prix (dommage pour la différence de couleur lunette/cadran). Quand à la Tudor, que dire ? 😍 Et ce fermoir, la perfection ! Merci pour la vidéo, Olivier.

[@Horologique]

Merci beacoup mon ami !!

[@914Rocky]

San Martin, no contest. I seriously don’t understand why anyone buys the originals at their price points.

[@g000se99]

I’ve got the pelagos.. it’s silky

[@vondahe]

Well, if one had the means to buy an original without too much concern, I’m sure most people would get that. That is unfortunately not my situation but I recognise that there is a more profound satisfaction in owning an original than an imitation.

[@g000se99]

@@vondahe the titanium is silky …… think you missed my point

[@vondahe]

@@g000se99 My reply was for the original commenter. Otherwise, you would have seen your user name in my reply like you do now.

[@g000se99]

@@vondahe indeed - take it up with KZbin who emailed me about your reply

[@desireless4092]

The seconds hand on the San Martin has a small practical issue: the length between the snowflake and the tip of the hand is shorter, thus when the seconds hand sweep over the date it makes it unreadable (example: 04:00). On the Pelagos it is taken into consideration so the length between the tip and the snowflake is symmetrical (example: 02:56) with the date cutout thus the snowflake does not cover the date. San Martin should consider removing the inner chaptering or the date since it does not look aesthetically pleasing. Same with the proportions of the hour and minute hand

[@krasnaludek298]

The factory that produces San Martin also has other replica watches; one being the Pelagos & even branded as such. If you’re not picky about the bracelet/band, then the Chinese version Pelagos isvery good these days.

[@BassJournal]

Where can i check those?

[@neilwade9870]

Great review, thank you 🙏

[@DaveBassman]

Have you noticed any jingling sounds from the San Martin movement when wearing it? Specifically when shaking your wrist?

[@Horologique]

That happens in all automatic watches, especially those with the Miyota movements. But here you've got an NH35 so you shouldn't have the problem. If it really bothers you or you think something is wrong check with your local watchmaker, maybe he can adjust the rotor

[@DaveBassman]

@@Horologique Will do, thank you!

[@ScottNotAvailable]

There are people online saying that the white paint that is used on the San Martin's bezel will deteriorate fairly easily, especially when exposed to seawater.

[@Horologique]

That's good to know, can you link please?

[@larrysolien9541]

Since the weight is nearly the same between both watches, is the Titanium vs Stainless Steel really an issue? If the SM was Titanium it would most like be 105 grams, way lighter than the Tudor Pelagos 41. 😀👍

[@Horologique]

Yep, totally 👍

[@bryanmurphy3035]

Is the San Martin bracelet comfortable? I heard it’s sharp. Thx.

[@Horologique]

@@bryanmurphy3035 I find it just fine buy some people will find it a bit sharp

[@johndesmond1987]

A comparison between the 39mm Pelagos and the titanium San Martin knockoff would be interesting.

[@Horologique]

I would have loved to but sadly I have no access to any of them at this time 😔

[@albertsylvester2981]

THE SAN MARTIN IS NICE AWESOME WATCH BUT I WOULD GO FOR THE TUDOR BACUSE IT IS A BIGGER WATCH I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER LIKE I SAID EANY KIND OF VIDEO YOU MAKE ABOUT WATCHES I ENJOY THEM I THINK YOU ARE THE KING OF WATCHES THANKS KEEP MAKEING MORE VIDEO

[@Horologique]

Thank you so much 👍👍👍

[@Aliens_Gonna_Get_Ya]

Very interesting comparison… 👍😊

[@Horologique]

Thank you!

[@danielthegeek4582]

Got to be honest, while I prefer the larger size of the Tudor, the dial of the SM is much nicer. It’s a lot less cluttered. The Tudor has WAY too much text on the dial. It’s like a bloody novella!

[@sdm107]

Not enough lines of text on that Tudor dial. They should have listed what they had for breakfast

[@Horologique]

😂

[@g30rg3-c5]

What is wrong with people? the watch is 42mm for a reason and you bought it but now you want the 39mm? You are just shilling a product. The 39mm is too small stop the BS

[@ColdComrade]

You’re making me want a San Martin 😅

[@Horologique]

Great, I really recommend them 😁

[@DamianMathew]

I love san martin, but they really messed up the color in this one. The tone is fine, no need to copy 1to1 but the dial/bezel just doesn’t match which annoys me.

[@Horologique]

Yep, sadly it's not great. The black seems better

[@Pal-us9uv]

You should go for the black or the green then😊

[@ianrusso8790]

wow, that is really beautiful, love st martin

[@butapioka]

Why didn’t san martin went with a flat sapphire! Whyyyy

[@sungminhong9673]

is titanium one.... scratch easily?

[@Horologique]

Titanium scratches easier than stainless steel indeed

[@tiimsmiith1130]

Held up side by side the pelagos doesnt look that much bigger, flat on the table the pelagos looks about 6mm bigger!

[@TheGrenadier97]

Chinese watches from brands like San Martin are surely great technically, but annoying copies of others' efforts. I hope to see they step in actual design work.

[@MinhHoang-se9cq]

They had

[@falcorf5242]

Just look the biggest sales they have and compare the homages vs there original design. The best sellers are the homages.

[@isluderea8322]

@@falcorf5242 so they copy everything but the logo, and people call them homages. sorry but it's a copy, an average to good one , but a still a copy. just like fakes

[@desireless4092]

@@falcorf5242 my favorite part is when people bash on the Pelagos or other models about this and that, but end up buying the Chinese imitations of said "bad watches".

[@falcorf5242]

🤣@@desireless4092

[@zillsburyy1]

SM is incredible quality

[@Horologique]

It is!

[@1SaG]

It's not really a Horologique-review without the French pronunciation of "San Martin" .. :P

[@Horologique]

Thank you, people gave me such a hard time with it that I decided to change it, but I might revert back, the French pronunciation is how O do it naturally, I had to edit it out many times 🤣

[@davidAll5]

merci pour ce comparatif

[@cedarcanoe]

Where do I find the petition?

[@Horologique]

Here it is :) chng.it/SsNnSzFZ

[@DFlemming]

This sounds strange, but, really, the San Martin is the better watch!

[@clivek9989]

the black one in titanium.....😍😍😍

[@Pal-us9uv]

Hell yeah. I ordered one. 🙏😌

[@Bama_Law]

I've now owned both. Sold my Tudor out of need (don't ask) and this san Martin honestly is just as good excluding movement. In fact the SM is WAY better fitting and almost 2mm thinner. It actually clears my sleeve and dress coat cuffs! The Tudor NEVER cleared them and was always caught up on my shirt cuff. Miss the Tudor but love this San martin

[@vondahe]

For me, precision is much higher on the wish list that the metal. 8 seconds per day is too much.

[@masudashizue777]

Wow, 5 lines of script at the bottom of the dial...that is 3 lines more than I prefer. Look how close the bottom line is to the 6 o'clock index.

[@Horologique]

You got that right

[@grozwano]

I tried the Tudor pelagos 42 blue just today. The problem is that on the wrist it looks like a 44 Way too big and thick A real deal breaker

[@pauliewalnuts5241]

The san martin has a much better size

[@ramspencer5492]

I like the Seestern homage of the Pelagius 39..... Except the clasp.... It's pretty small and kind of a weak link.

[@garylangford6755]

Tudor has a essay on the dial

[@Horologique]

Totally 😂

[@austinzizzi1142]

The watch we should have gotten

[@kevnorcal]

I received my SN0121G yesterday. To say the least, I'm disappointed. Both the bezel insert and minute hand are misaligned. The stem is very wobbly and has way too much play before engaging. I'm returning it to Watchdives. I have a Watchdives x San Martin Milsubmariner SN004 V2 that I purchased four months ago and everything is aligned correctly and the stem is not wobbly and engages immediately.

[@Horologique]

I'm really sad to hear that. I must say that, although it wasn't the case with this one, 2 of my latest San Martin watches have also come with misaligned bezel inserts, which is something that would never happen before 🤔

[@Beanna_]

It's truly a shame that Tudor themselves were too cheap to keep the interesting 3D dial/rehaut of the original Pelagos when they downsized it to 39mm, but a Chinese company can provide an homage that looks more like a real downsized Pelagos.

[@Horologique]

Well said 👍

[@desireless4092]

Tudor Pelagos 39 is a modern interpretation of Tudor Submariner from the 60s. It does not include the inner rehaut chaptering but I can see you never knew that. Another issue is that it will ruin dial symmetry and hands symmetry. If you don't understand what I am trying to say, look at San Martin and the messed up seconds hand symmetry compared to the date cutout. Unlike the Pelagos it is not taken into consideration and the diamond snowflake covers the date.

[@bigword3744]

so basically homage is a superfake with a different badge

[@haromaster6086]

For the price difference, I’ll take the San Martin all day long over the Tudor.

[@larrylacostjr.2075]

I have the SM and I must say that I am NOT willing to pay 20X more for the Tudor watch. The points of differentiation does not justify the significant expense. Period.

[@desireless4092]

I found it hilarious and hypocritical you bash the original but you bought the imitation anyway. The original Pelagos is absolute unit and I'd rather buy a cool Orient diver than to play a pretend game and buy copycats. And that's what I did until I manage to get a Pelagos.

[@Pal-us9uv]

SM is stronger than the original 💪🏻

[@Lucmercurius]

​​​@@desireless4092That's because you can pay it for a Tudor. San Martin's homage it's better because of it's price. I want to see Tudor make an affordable Pelagos for the price of San Martin's, I bet they can't. Also, as you, I can pay it too, since I have the traditional BB58 and the blue one. But I did bought the Titanium version of this San Martin and it's brilliant.

[@derekavery4086]

Wish SM would do this in a 42...

[@TheTrueSolesurvivor]

Idk man San Martin looks better imo

[@quarters-eye8922]

Nice 😎👍👍👍

[@thegorn]

Titanium is too light - real men need a bit more heft on the wrist. But I see your petition got up as they made it in Grade 2 Ti, in 3 colors black, blue and green, and the blue is currently sold out.

[@drebarthelotte5712]

I will take that san martin. I will take another. Then I will get another. Than birthdays. Give for that. I was going to but I feel selfish. I gave great watches to my family because I could. I don't like titanium. It turns a san martin into a Sanda. I own and really it doesn't matter. I got a 1 dollar watch I wear all the time. Just don't care about price and it should not matter. I've bought a few awsome san Martin watches 7 They are excellent. To my 50 yes eye. I buy because I have everything to fix a watch. When I buy a 500 buck watch I'm buying everything I need to fix and to give away for family I want to fix also. Car guys get old but I love a transmission

[@CG-ql5rr]

One thing I don't understand, if you homage a watch why can't you make that second hand lollypop pip the same? On Tudor,the pip wont cross over the big marker at 12,3,9 and 6 as SM does. No wonder Tudor sells watches,wheres SM sells Chinese crap. If you really want something authentic, but you don't have the money for a Tudor,buy a Christopher Ward, they will be a brand to invest in(some are in house movemens and most swiss), if not a Seiko

[@FrancescoAcri-ct1ro]

Più armonico San Martin,,anche l'acciaio del San Martin è più bello confronto Tudor 🙄,,

[@BasRikken]

they should add: china made, i would have so much fun with that

[@Horologique]

🤣

[@giusepperocchi2979]

They should also write “almost swiss made” on the Tudor, that would be fun too.

[@Horologique]

@@giusepperocchi2979 🤣

[@flytheskymyway]

This diver watch in 39mm looks too small on my 7” wrist. Just saying. I’d rather the 42mm which is not “massive.”

[@ArtoftheDial]

7.5 inch wrist here and the "39" with also a smaller height looks perfect on my wrist. Just Sayin.

[@grozwano]

The Tudor Pelagos is like wearing a T bone steak on the wrist. Really awful

[@jigd0471]

Well…you’re missing the Seestern Pelagos for a better comparison

[@Horologique]

I know about that watch but the cheesy "Titanium" text under the brand kills it for me. And I dislike the radial brushing of the dial and the bezel insert, which is why O don't very much like the Pelagos 39

[@PremiumUserUltra]

lol this whole comment section

[@tuscanyjc]

42 vs 39 I'll take the 42. There's just 10,000k watches like the 39 mm San M

[@filros7630]

Its the opposite. Why to buy a cheap copy of a Tudor that resemble a Tudor? Buy instead a St Martin original design no? But you want to seem Tudor people without beeing. So its what is called a wannabe

[@litan114]

WTF is San Murkin? cant even pronounce

[@DavidUKesb]

The Tudor looks ridiculous.

[@filros7630]

Obscene copy of a real watch. These cheap copy are an insult. They have no respect. Why don't they try to create something of their own? Who is the customer of this "watch".? A wannabe. Buy a honest seiko instead, at least is not a chinese copy of something else

[@Horologique]

The good thing is that they are coming out with their own designs and some aren't half bad: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWG1emhuqLVsgtE