Tundra Recall - How Long Will It Take To Replace 100k Motors And How Much?

[@jackedhorse]

This motor has been around for a while in Lexus vehicles with great service and reliability. Going right to a crate motor is the best scenario for their consumers. The issue was mostly during the mfg of the motor where debris was left in the motor which caused issues, that doesn’t make it a bad motor. All 1/2 ton trucks have known catastrophic issues with the exception of Nissan Titan (which nobody seems to buy), but I’ll tell You one thing… if I have an issue with my vehicle… there’s no company I’d rather have making it right than Toyota! They stand by their products unlike GM and Ford. Toyota will do anything to make it right and not tarnish their reputation.

[@TheJimbob1603]

'Swap the turbos'? No way ...... the turbos are absolutely damaged by contaminated oil.

[@luckyguy600]

EVERY new engine will be a perfect install by Bubba & Fred at your local boondock dealership! And who will be around to work on all the other vehicles? 10 weeks I have waited for a door trim insert that was broken out of the factory. Still no word on that. And who is going to put that on? 2024's? Oh they are 'ALL PERFECT'

[@AllThingsFabrication]

Yes, these are the same tech's that can't follow simple instructions on an oil change to not rotate the new tires with 100 miles on them and try and take an impact to my new locking lugs on my aftermarket wheels. I stopped going to the dealer for even free service because of the lame performance of the techs employed. Half of the staff at my local mark miller toyota dealership look to be crack addicts. I won't go back.

[@benschmidt5006]

Have some 30 plus years of experience in the field and been involved in such engine recall issues and would suggest your estimates are to low, and this does not consider the cost of the recall expanding to additional units potentially being added to the recall or the downstream financial impacts as it’s not like Toyota has capacity to make an additional 100,000 new engines while supplying engines for new vehicles. My quick math based on my experience suggest the total bill to Toyota will exceed $2 billion dollars, it’s large enough they will need to estimate it and include in a financial footnote in their publicly reported financial filings if you want to get there estimate. Likewise such complete engine recalls while not common place have some history in the global automotive industry so you can study the financial filings of auto makers from past large engine recalls. I think the good news for customers is Toyota is stepping up and doing the right thing for customers at a tremendous cost.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@benschmidt5006 great info. Thank you. I will for sure check out that financial foot note when it's available. And agree 100% glad toyota is stepping up. Again thanks for the info

[@petemonster1]

I saw a video where Tundra owners with 8 speed autos from MY22 on are experiencing and issue of it being stuck in 6th gear (some with less than 5000miles on the clock). Dealer advises auto replacement. So more issues for Toyota owners AND mechanics to do to fix the ever reliable Toyota vs doing their regular and likely, easier, higher earning work. Yeah I'm sure I'd want to be a Toyota mechanic!

[@Angelfishworld]

Not only that someone is paying for my rental until my truck is back going...at the moment i have a trd 4 runner as a courtesy vehicle 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@davidmckibbin4440]

so if your in nebraska or wyoming where there are not many tundras you can get your truck repaired fast, but if you live in los angeles or phoenix, and areas with large populations good luck, might as well roll it down a hill.

[@donaldalbert4773]

As far as I know, the Tundra is a North America truck. Tundra are sold in Canada, mine was assembled in Texas, and I believe they are sold in Mexico as well. The recall allso apply in Canada and is likely the same in Mexico. A more inclusive analysis should include the true number of Tundra sold in North America that will require an engine change. I made my first engine oil change at 800 KM (500 miles) but did not openned the oil filter as I was not aware of the engine issue. I made my second oil change at 2,023 KM (1,300 miles) and found debris in my filter (one piece was 1 mm square with a fair amount of fine debris). I just completed a third oil change at 5,600 KM (3,500 miles). I wil open the filter shortly to see if there are further debris in the filter. I am in contact with my Toyota dealer on this issue. All this to say that the engine saga is far from over as I expect it will will have to include 2024 models sold across North America as well.

[@Jason-Samko]

Toyota is so tight lipped about all this and doesn't tell us anything. Wish they would be more transparent and give us more info

[@luckyguy600]

Reality. It sucks, doesn't it? Especially when 'most' Tundras cost $110,000 bucks each. And there they sit. Sometime in the year, Pye is when the last poor sucker gets his vehicle back. Disaster is the word for all this mess.

[@BlueSTI]

Do you think the 24s are effected? Im sure 24s will be added to the recall list once thwy can get rid of the 24s. Should be a stop sell on all of them and offer buy back or a chance to cancel leases on all that have been recently sold

[@Jason-Samko]

i bet the 24s will be added eventually. but with how tight lipped toyota is we wont know anything until the last minute

[@JayMak1963]

as a Toyota tech I can tell you are close . Understand this when a recall comes out they always after a short time run out of recall parts. this will be a start stop situation . figure 2 to 3 years

[@Jason-Samko]

Outstanding insider info and very good to know. Thank you.

[@mikejiang7916]

I guess Toyota will also need to take care of the cost of rentals during the repair.

[@Jason-Samko]

As long as customers get a rental . That's all that matters. But your right I bet it toyota that compensates the dealers for rentals

[@davewallace9048]

Imagine all the customers that had their motor rebuilt and now newer customers are getting new crate motors I’d be pissed. I can guarantee you a lot of those motors that were rebuilt was not done right and will fail again down the road!!

[@Jason-Samko]

@davewallace9048 bet your right. Bit I'm assuming if that happens toyora will give them a new crate motor as well

[@davidjernigan8161]

It will take longer depending on where you are located and how many the dealerships in that area will have to replace

[@Jason-Samko]

Very true

[@goldgulfcoastdesignericsho8628]

I was thinking they would recycle all the aluminum, never thought about the open market I can see V35A-FTS V6 in older TACOs how bad ass would that be. Glad to see the Long block replacement.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@goldgulfcoastdesignericsho8628 I'm just guessing they would sell them to private builders. Could be wrong. But happy to see them doing the fix right

[@lionelthibault3159]

with over 40 years as a dealer tech I am confident that Toyota will want the replaced engines destroyed and not reused by anyone

[@Jason-Samko]

@@lionelthibault3159 good to know. I was guessing on ways they could recoup some of the money

[@JayMak1963]

me too 39 years here

[@claydankewich9582]

My 2023 was not involved in recall..so far. Do you think only a matter of time? Still running great.

[@Jason-Samko]

@claydankewich9582 nit sure what toyota is planning. They are so tight lipped and lack transparency with everything and everyone. Only time will answer thst. But glad yours is running great!

[@Jv4150]

Ease my anxiety After the swap how will that affect warranties or extend any? any idea ?

[@Jason-Samko]

@Jv4150 nothing announced yet. But I would imagine and expect an extended warranty after the fix

[@Jv4150]

i already miss my 5.7

[@Jv4150]

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[@Jason-Samko]

@@Jv4150 can 100% understand that

[@gm-zz8so]

Yes there is profit but also there is R&D which can be astronomical depending. These turbo engines are engineered to handle high horsepower in a very small package. Additionally dealerships are Independent, they do warranty work for less than average but they work at a profit. I had a vanilla jeep V-6 engine replaced, 6 Years ago ,under warranty, they billed stallatis $8,500....and it was an old fashioned pre -pentastar simple swap.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@gm-zz8so this is much cheaper than the 30-35k it was costing toyota to do the short block replacements

[@andyd5492]

The current Tundra is not a great truck even if the engine is replaced. What does it do better than any other 1/2 ton?

[@Jason-Samko]

Many people seem to think it is as sales are growing fast. I would not buy one even it the recall never happened personally. But many want one

[@andyd5492]

@@Jason-Samko They are selling more than previously but are still way behind the 1/2 tons leaders. Not even close.

[@JayMak1963]

nothing

[@duncanpage1556]

That means its a cab-off job to replace engine so all those wires, clips, nuts, bolts, lines will not be done as the factory from new it will be a rush job and I still wouldn't trust the work!!

[@Jason-Samko]

@duncanpage1556 might be right thst they won't put clips exactly like they were and I bet some of the electrical connection tabs get broke and don't say anything etc. But still much better than a short block.

[@JayMak1963]

good dont

[@PaulMilenkovic]

Is this thing going to gum up going to a Toyota dealership for service on something other than a Tundra?

[@AllThingsFabrication]

Cab off repair also means that the brake system, AC system, steering, a gazillion connectors, control linkages, and probably other body panels will have to come apart to make this happen. I would be trading this thing in the first second that I had it back because it will never be the same again. Most mention that the old turbos will be used. You know, the same turbos that had sparkly metal laden oil running through them to lubricate and cool them.....

[@hummyhero1484]

I wonder if Toyota wished they kept the V8 in the Tundras 😳

[@thomas1x.]

Is the recalls on the 2024 tundra?

[@Jason-Samko]

@@thomas1x. not yet. Maybe added later.

[@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation]

I wouldnt want this Done. Rather have a NEW Toy- 2025 Replacement Built at the Factory. Not Rebuilt by some HalfA$$aving Dealership. Plus its value WILL be less.

[@kaseyc5078]

Nothing is being rebuilt. Engine is being swapped

[@Jason-Samko]

In a perfect world I would want the same. I don't think that will happen. But atleast it's a new crate motor. Nobody expected that to even happen with toyota

[@ZIGZAGBureauofInvestigation]

@@Jason-Samko Im just saying its not good enough. For the money time stress spend. Its happening way too much across the broad FordChevyDodgeJeep.

[@HiPlains1]

​​@@Jason-Samkobut by your numbers it takes 18 months just to do crate motors. Can you imagine how long it would take to use short block replacements? That probably would not be feasible.

[@Jason-Samko]

@HiPlains1 agree 100. Would of been years to do short blocks. Probably 5 years to do them all

[@Gadfly2025]

Do they have to remove the truck cab to swap motors ?

[@Jason-Samko]

@@Gadfly2025 yes but it's quick and easy

[@gm-zz8so]

@@Jason-Samko really?

[@mikesmith-lr1jf]

You do not ​@@Jason-Samko

[@Jason-Samko]

@@mikesmith-lr1jf every video and info I have seen on all these recall trucks they pulled the cab

[@Jason-Samko]

@@gm-zz8so everything I've seen so far they are. And this isn't anything new. Fors super duties have been this way for a very long time. It's not a hard process

[@alp3781]

I was so close to close a deal on a new Limited Edition one. I had the quote in my email and sign the deposit and the salesman didn't say a BLEEP about anything. I hear the Hybrid block is fine, for now. But, I will not go for it. I don't want to deal with this issue at all. Not worth it for me. Staying away from a Tundra till 3rd Q of 25. Toyota needs a major reset with the current one. Its a shame, such a nice ride. I was so impressed.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@alp3781 I think it's smart to wait another year

[@Anomize23]

@@alp3781 Made the right choice man. Keep that hard earned money til the time is right.

[@doolittlegeorge]

This is why I say cheaper to give everyone new 2025 Trucks and SUVs. Now instead arrives an installation mess of new engines...all of which have to be disposed of in some way. And this presumes no problem with the powertrain as well. And what about the 4 bangers from Toyota and *THOSE* powertains as well? Again better off giving away 2025s at this point. #writedowns

[@actionjackson5086]

In how many states? At 1:19 I thought I heard 52 states.

[@markive9907]

I think you did the math pretty good 👍

[@Jason-Samko]

@@markive9907 thank you

[@mikehughes8023]

Does the recall include the hybrids?

[@Jason-Samko]

@@mikehughes8023 not yet

[@jimbov23]

Not everyone will do the engine swap. Since it's a recall, in theory you can wait and ride this engine until it ignites then come in for your recall. Just like air bag recalls, no one forces you to come in but you are eligible for it when you want to exercise the recall. If I were effected I'd wait as long as possible and ride my current engine out then get a new one. This recall is also estimated to be less than 1% of annual revenue even being in the billions...it's chump change for Toyota.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@jimbov23 agree

[@moshet842]

No it's not chump change. It is more than 20% of Toyota North America's profits on all models. All that capital being sunk into just one model is going to take a while to recover from.

[@jimbov23]

@@moshet842 Toyota's current 2024 Revenue is $311 billion...again this is less than 1% of their REVENUE. I think people fail to realize Toyota does more than manufacture vehicles. Vehicles are only 1 stream of revenue for them. They are an OEM, one of the largest forklift manufacturers, own the largest battery facilities, manufacture stamping dies, HVAC, the list goes one. They are huge.

[@volvo09]

Yep, I would keep the recall in my back pocket and just keep driving on the factory engine... If you make it 100k miles then cool, come in for your fresh engine. There will be a time limit like any recall, so just keep track of that.

[@jimbov23]

@@volvo09 100%. Toyota even made a statement the other day along with some of their dealers that the believe people will only come for the recall when they experience the issue and that's why Toyota is not worried about Dealerships being overwhelmed. I though however NHTSA safety recalls did not have expiration's?

[@Rod-db8tt]

Toyota has a couple engine assembly part numbers listed for '22 Tundra. Engine Assembly - Toyota (04000-101F0) and Toyota 04000-106F0 Engine Assy?

[@live4mac]

You were calling out TMC global profit of $37B but Toyota north America was only $3.6B. The repair costs are probably close but that is a much more significant chunk of NA profits. Also, since when is a core long block worth $1500? Who's buying these things and why isn't Toyota just remanufacturing them themselves? I'm not sure I feel confident that Toyota adequately addressed the manufacturing issues and I definitely don't have much confidence in your average dealer tech. If I had one of these trucks that seemed to be running smoothly, I would wait as long as possible to get the motor replaced. Toyota should have just extended the warranty to 250k miles and called it a day. I would not want to be an owner of a truck just outside the build date cutoff.

[@jgraham8248]

Agreed numbers may or may not be correct...but seems like a reasonable estimate. I'm guessing Toyota will set up some new facilities just to build these motors.

[@Jason-Samko]

Great question on how toyota will build these. I would like to know too. I keep searching forums to see if anyone knows but have not found anything yet.

[@danielc3510]

I wonder if the value of those trucks are rising if you know that at anytime over the next few years you can go in and have the engine replaced. I don’t like the look of them but it would be a consideration if I were looking for a used truck.

[@Jason-Samko]

Great point and not sure how it will help or hurt value

[@JJJ5.7]

Exactly. Engine production and techs to do work...

[@TwinTurboToyota]

They also can write some of the loss off

[@Jason-Samko]

Very true

[@moshet842]

I don't think they are concerned with that. There would have been more money in the bank even paying full tax amount had this all never happened. It is still an overall net loss for them that will take years to recover from.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@moshet842 it's about 1-2% of a years profits for toyota. They won't even feel it

[@moshet842]

@@Jason-Samko It is close to 30% of North America profits. They will certainly feel it.

[@moshet842]

@@TwinTurboToyota It will. They make at best 2% profit on every car they manufacture. They have to sell a crap load of cars to recover that lost revenue.

[@luxPacificus]

The other side of the equation is that Toyota has to build engines for these replacements in addition to their normal production. Their suppliers have to cast additional engine blocks, heads, crankshafts and camshafts. All the other parts, like turbochargers, will also have to be built. Can they ramp up production to meet the rate at which the dealers can install these engines? Also, there will be a lot of transport of these components and engines to deal with.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@luxPacificus all good points and part of the logistics they have to get sorted

[@LoneWolfSparty]

It's already started at the engine plant that makes these engines.

[@AbouTto_]

good video

[@Jason-Samko]

@@AbouTto_ glad you enjoyed it

[@ahmadtarik5977]

Do not forget, we do not know who was responsible for the debris (Toyota factory or their supplier). If the error was from Toyota’s supplier, then the supplier might pay all or part of the recall cost. Also, do not forget that each manufacturer has liability or product recall insurance to help mitigate the financial impact of a recall! Toyota is good in business and products; therefore, I am sure they already have a risk management plan for such an event!

[@Jason-Samko]

@@ahmadtarik5977 good points

[@williamfox1146]

Are you saying that Toyota will replace engines that have not exhibited any problems?

[@Jason-Samko]

@williamfox1146 that's what toyota is making it sound like.

[@williamfox1146]

@@Jason-Samko Thanks for your response. I have a 2022 Tundra with 21,223 miles. No problems so far. I love the truck. I cannot sell or trade it for fair value. I guess I will keep it and hope that if the engine fails it does so before my warranty expires.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@williamfox1146 seems like toyota is handling thos right. You should be all good if anything happens

[@prtube1]

Are the hybrids included?

[@Jason-Samko]

Not yet

[@runningman26.22]

@@Jason-Samko Correcting this comment regarding hybrids - had some inaccurate information. Unknown at this date if hybrids will be included. Apologies.

[@Jason-Samko]

@runningman26.22 thank you for update

[@Flash....Gordon..42]

Pretty close estimate. Probably within 1 or 2 percent

[@duggydo]

As soon as the recall was announced I started doing the math based on what numbers and financials I could dig up. You and I are in the same ballpark on the cost figures. I'm glad to see somebody else doing the math finally. The biggest impact to Toyota really is time. I also don't expect 100% of people to even do the engine swap. I would be surprised if they have even 80% done in the first 2 years because some people won't want to have it done.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@duggydo agree. And I bet some will choose not to get it done like you said

[@luxPacificus]

It seems to me to be foolish not to get it done. I truly believe these engines had a design flaw and Toyota has corrected that with main bearing changes.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@luxPacificus agree

[@duggydo]

@@luxPacificus If I owned one (I don't) I would probably not be in a hurry if my truck was working fine. I also do oil samples at oil changes, so I would probably know if it was showing bearing metal. I think it would be a good idea to let the dealer techs do a few to get some practice also. After they've done 4-5, they will get better and less like to mess something up.

[@sammy-gd7hw]

Ya the engine will be a 5 hour job (just a guess) and the warranty will pay 1.5 hours. It's. Already happening the dealership we shopped at for years, as soon as the news about the crate motors came out they lost 3 techs the next day. Apparently the techs don't want to work 10 hours for 5 hours of pay. They are going to do warranty pay. As soon as Martian heard that he left and had a job working for a chevy dealership the next day. Great for customers erst not the techs.

[@Jason-Samko]

Toyota said they expect the job to take 13-21 hours each in their letter. And with 100k of them to do that's alot of motor swaps for techs to handle

[@ejshelby5460]

Maybe Cooperate now have to reimburse dealers to keep the techs at bay ;)

[@jamesgullo8240]

2 years?

[@Jason-Samko]

Might be right

[@tomasso883]

Not sure if you can lemon law those vehicles so you don’t have to wait.

[@Jason-Samko]

@tomasso883 each state law differs. But I believe lemon law can kick in if not fixed in 30 days

[@MrCirrock]

52 states?

[@igorz3600]

The money that Toyota will lose on this is negligible compared to the reputation hit they are taking.

[@Jason-Samko]

Very true

[@luckyguy600]

Save face? Not bloody likely in my book. Cant wait till my 2023 Corolla Cross has engine issues in the hundred od thousands. I sure hope NOT!

[@MarkHoover-u9b]

6/29 I have a 2022 tundra on the recall list ,called the dealer today and they have no remedy for this recall I think Toyota blowing smoke

[@Jason-Samko]

@MarkHoover-u9b I'd call a different dealer and see. This is a factory recall. They will all have to honor it. They just have not heard about it yet. But I'd rather call a couple dealers to see who you feel best going with

[@MarkHoover-u9b]

@@Jason-Samko thanks Jason

[@MarkHoover-u9b]

Hi Jason still waiting ,received my recall letter but no remedy yet ,Toyota dealer said waiting

[@Jason-Samko]

@@MarkHoover-u9b sucks you are dealing with this. Hopefully they get you an appointment soon

[@MarkHoover-u9b]

Hi Jason,today is Sept 17th,went to Toyota for my oil change end of two year term for free oil change,service advisor and sales manager only say they are waiting on parts and dodge my question about new long blocks,tried to talk me into a new truck with no trade in value but I just wanted to receive information about the new engine,they dodged my inquiry all the way,do you have any followers that have a confirmation for a replacement engine?Or any more followers who have recently had their engine drop out?

[@AbouTto_]

ship the old engines overseas for a cheap rebuild and resale.

[@TheNorthenLight]

You are bang on I guess .5 B and write off . Win win Toyota. Cooperations never loose money.

[@DaveInCanada081]

Sounds like a half assed outfit! Reminds me of when I bought Chrysler garbage 35 years ago.

[@igglybiggly6951]

I'd drive it until it blows and then go see the Toyota dealership for the new engine.....could be years before the original ones grenade

[@Jason-Samko]

@igglybiggly6951 a good tactic and would be nice to get 50k miles then blow and get a brand new motor

[@oliverramclam6009]

a drop in the bucket for Toyota just give my new updated engine

[@Jason-Samko]

@@oliverramclam6009 hope they take care of you quick and easy and right

[@mustangecoboosthpp3869]

Cost does not matter, this is a tax write off for Toyota, the only issue will be how long to get that many engines available.

[@fastinradfordable]

That’s 6+ techs per state working on nothing but this for an entire year.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@fastinradfordable thats crazy.

[@tomasso883]

Even it was 2-billion it’s peanuts to Toyota. What about worldwide engine replacements.

[@moshet842]

That is 70% of North America profits. Certainly not a drop in the bucket. It has long been known that profit margins in the automotive industry are among the smallest of any industry. $2B is hard earned money for Toyota. They had to sell tons of cars and provide tons of services to earn that. The gross revenue on that $2B profit is probably north of $20B. This means, it cost them more than $20B which they had to break even before they could make the $2B.

[@kevinrobinette65]

Tax Cut!????

[@MrPchubare]

Wait! What!? You said swap turbos!!?? But they got damaged by the same oil circulating through the system and damaging everything with metal debris, specially the turbos, spinning at ridiculous rpm. I thought turbos will come with a new engine!!

[@Jason-Samko]

@MrPchubare maybe the motors toyota is sending will have the turbos included. I'm sure we will find out when they start doing the swaps

[@MrPchubare]

@@Jason-Samko​​⁠I hope I am getting new turbos too. With everything that is part of oil circulation system (oil pump etc). My friends turbos went out at 60,000 miles and his short block was done shortly after the turbos got replaced

[@Jason-Samko]

@MrPchubare I hope so too. Just not sure if they will replace or just inspect the turbos. Those are expensive turbos too!

[@MrPchubare]

⁠good point. I am curious what inspection method will be used. :) They could have also inspected the engine the same way and decided if it needs to be replaced or not. For example, one way of inspecting the engine and turbos could be: Does the engine have “knocking or rough running” yes/no” If No. No replacement is needed. Lol

[@Jason-Samko]

@@MrPchubare 😂😂 great point

[@jeffreyb1451]

Tundra owners bitched about the recall, then bitched about dealers breaking engines down and now pitching about getting a new engine. WTF do what Toyota to do? They are taking care of it way better than Ford or GM would.

[@Jason-Samko]

Actually ford and gm have given crate motors and extended warranty this year without a hiccup and took dang good care of their customers. Nice to finally see toyota do it. Now toyota needs to get the rest of its house in order

[@Anomize23]

@@jeffreyb1451 its not toyota at this point but also the parts and suppliers. People wait weeks and months for some to come. So theres that…

[@rncondie]

The cost is much more than the motor and labor. I buy Toyota because they are reliable. If you tarnish your reputation for being reliable it will cost billions and years to earn that reputation back.

[@AbouTto_]

Not really. I'd still only buy Toyota, just stay away from these engines and vehicle years.

[@Anomize23]

@@AbouTto_ at this point, there is no specific model to stay away from when inflation across-the-board is causing everyone to go cheap. It’s just time to face the reality that the new Toyota models coming out are not the same products as the previous generation. Toyotas prime days are over and it’s showing over and over and over again with the recalls that they are coming out with. Not only that, but now with the parts and supplies shortage out there its just a mess.

[@AbouTto_]

@@Anomize23 Disagree, Stay away from anything with these engines from '21 I think to - 23 or 24. After that Toyota will have it figured out.

[@Anomize23]

@@AbouTto_ not worried about toyota figuring it out, its the parts and suppliers. People are waiting weeks and months which is a fact. By then you are WAITING WAITING WAITING

[@AbouTto_]

@@Anomize23 I think we're on the same page. Don't buy those year's model until Toyota has improved parts from their suppliers. We're saying the same thing to me. Enjoy your day!

[@aneeshprasobhan]

Are you writing notes on Photoshop ?

[@Jason-Samko]

@aneeshprasobhan yes. In this video I did.

[@honda116969]

With the amount of money these companies make they should just replace ALL of our engines every 100,000 miles 😂 needed or not... Jk but DAMN look out for the customer 🤷

[@Jason-Samko]

😂😂😂would that be nice

[@Anomize23]

Toyotas prime days are over Seeing how the new generation has come out. The materials are not better quality the service certainly not gonna be any better in the whole process of getting stuff fixed one of the parts and supplies shortage that’s out there is already another indication that I would not want to go through.

[@Jason-Samko]

Agree

[@malcolmpurdum5026]

I’m thinking $10k a truck for a billion in total loses.

[@davidmckibbin4440]

im thinking much more, engine labor rental trucks and who knows what else

[@clementecruz285]

What ever it takes at least they are doing something about it…

[@Jason-Samko]

Glad to see them stepping up

[@bjsimon802]

USA emission laws are too strict, or toyota would have brought the same V8 again. Now all these companies have to electrify or Turbo. Vote

[@Jason-Samko]

@@bjsimon802 veey true

[@davidansley1731]

A twin turbo , direct injection engines , have a track record , it's very short , long-term ownership has yet to be determined, the Toyota reputation for durability has been scraped an is of no interest to TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION USA .

[@Jason-Samko]

Could very well be right. I'm hoping not. But I don't like the direction toyora is going here

[@321thach]

Al those American Ford,GM and Dodge motor are trash. This is what happen when the Japanese let the American assembled their truck now they have to come fix it

[@thadlm2698]

😂…some of the defective engines were produced in a Japanese plant.

[@musclesmouse]

Bought a Titan. Toyota lost us in last 5 years

[@Jason-Samko]

100% understand that

[@Andrew-1974]

Actually the 2 key things are; It’s great that ALL affected people, have now got the ease of mind that Toyota will look after them and receive A LONG BLOCK Also, It’s so great to see a hater be humbled!! Have a good day

[@Jason-Samko]

Oohh I'm still very unhappy with toyota! Make no mistake about it. Worst truck manufacturer today. I'm glad they are stepping up here. But I'm far from humbled. But I am 100% honest and all fact based. This is a good fact that toyota is currently doing.

[@YerBoyTroy]

Nah worst truck manufacturer is definitely Nissan or Ram

[@moshet842]

​@@YerBoyTroy Based on what criteria do you say Nissan and Ram make the worst trucks? Last I heard, Toyota truck owners were jumping ship to Nissan.

[@YerBoyTroy]

@@moshet842 Based on capability you can get/option more with the f150 or GM trucks. The ram dumps all of its budget into being comfortable and plush. This is nice, but not that much nicer than the competition to be compromising so hard on things like payload, hauling etc. on top of that they've had the simplest engine lineup of the bunch for over a decade and yet they could never perfect the Hemi. To this day cracked manifolds and Hemi tick to lifter failure is still common enough of an issue. The way ram has managed their fleet is also not great. They never invested into efficiency early on like ford, GM and Toyota so they got slapped with massive CAFE fines over the last few years, so much so that now they had to ditch the Hemi for good and discontinue their entire performance car lineup. How much do you think they can afford to spend on QA when they've had to be shutting down entire segments of their product line? Mind you this has happened with the other domestics too but those guys were proactive about it, and it wasnt for vehicles that built their brand like with the Charger/challenger. All of this trickles down. RAM, Dodge and Chrysler have all had a rough decade overall. Regarding Nissan, they just don't have the resources to properly compete. You can't just look at the truck segment but look at how the brand performs overall. Titan discontinued, Frontier largely recycled with some new makeup and a modified version of an older engine after 17 whole years. Same thing with the new Z. Armada most folks don't even know what that is. The company is being held together by overly competitive financing on low end economy cars like the rogue and Altima. They don't have the budget to invest in new architecture in the way that Honda and Toyota can. They're struggling in every other segment

[@sammy-gd7hw]

Don't care anymore we bought grandpa a dodge. When his tundra is fixed we are selling it.

[@Jason-Samko]

@@sammy-gd7hw can 100% understand that

[@beeslandscaping]

Toyota big on selling warranty to they make boat load of money 💰.

[@Jason-Samko]

@beeslandscaping yep as do the stupid dealers that mark them up by 50%. That's what I love about domestics. You can go right to the oem for anything

[@alex042687]

Toyota is junk nowadays.. . .

[@BrentMcDonald-t5t]

Don’t forget tax write offs factor in too for Toyota to offset some of the cost

[@Jason-Samko]

Very true

[@kuntsniffer9437]

52 states? And hopefully they will come with new turbos, otherwise this could contaminate the new engine

[@Jason-Samko]

I'm anxious to hear of turbos are included too