TUNNELS! Well, That Didn't Take Long... | Prison Architect #6

[@OSKY3033]

Imagine waking up in jail and suddenly 150 prisoners escape and they left you in there with 3 other prisoners.

[@RightHemisphere]

Man I would demand free release for good behavior!

[@Lykas_mitts]

The thing with the dormitory strat is that if you decide to do dormitories you need to be very religious about shakedowns daily. Any less than that is inviting for them to tunnel and leave in an instant. You need to face the fact that you need to throw out their happiness if you want to keep them like chickens in a factory farm. And even shakedowns means that you might not detect the tunnels. The second thing that you need to do is switch your outer walls for a perimeter wall which will slow down tunneling by a lot, I prefer to do a double layered perimeter wall that only opens at the front gate (meaning tunnelers will prefer to dig out via the main gate and thus you can focus more dogs on the main gate to increase the detection chance.) Note that perimeter walls are outdoors only.

[@TheKadanz]

I'm still confused how you'd dig a tunnel irl when there are guards with dogs running around the clock when they can clearly see and hear you xD

[@willemdakevin1681]

You could have the dog patrols scheduled so that they come at night and most of them rest the rest of the day

[@ChamaMuzenza]

I like to imagine that all 150+ prisoners that got out left a watermelon wearing a wig on their pillow and not a single guard noticed.

[@emmata98]

I mean that's the major issue with dorms. When they start tunneling (however it is modelled) they are incredibly fast

[@whatduckie6484]

Imagine being the 4 prisoners who slept through the prison break

[@swimking1]

Dogs cannot detect tunnels through foundations, only on outdoor earth.

[@genotheshyskell5977]

For the laundry rope problem you could have a guard pat down station outside the laundry so they get searched as they leave, since metal detectors only detect metal

[@jackb7705]

17:30 metal detectors have a cool off period and only scan 1 person at a time. If multiple inmates go through quickly it won’t scan them all. You need multiple detectors separated with a guard in between so they can be searched straight away before hiding the items

[@emmata98]

17:08 the issue is, they can still get plastic spoons from the canteen. Also a scanner could help with smuggled in stuff

[@Mildoverlay]

I can't remember if check points are still a thing but use checkpoint with a 1 way halls?

[@emmata98]

@@Mildoverlay they are, but I think they slow down stuff way to much

[@jiraphatmick5357]

Maybe the dog cannot sniff thourgh/under Concrete floorings/building foundations so they could only find the tunnels outside the buildings. I'm not sure though, haven't played PA for very long time.

[@smallcat848]

i've heard that a lot so i think it's true

[@ryanhampson673]

100% that’s what it is. I’ve always left open soil between the two perimeter walls with dog patrols. You catch all the tunnels then. If you just have pavement tone dogs miss it. I’ve had the same exp of like 300 prisoners peacing out over night lol.

[@NerdFerby]

Could it be that dogs have a higher chance of detecting tunnels outdoors than indoors?

[@Jimothy-723]

they inmates are tunneling along water mains which is faster and therefore it takes alot longer to dig outside than inside. as a result they get caught outside more often.

[@asrar39]

Wow that was something. I think 1 reason the dog where tiered was because then went up and then right. Now that you have door at the bottom it is easy for them. I wonder who the 4 people that did not escape where?

[@Matthew-el2fw]

As soon as you detect a tunnel, lock down the prision possibly to prevent... that

[@A83cl211]

Maybe consider switching the canteen and the dormitory to keep it closer to the center of the map. Also a second patrol path running only on the most critical side of the dormitory (north right now) so that you have guards circling around but others focusing only on the most likely tunneling zone?

[@damnimloomin]

I feel like you at least need to have solitary and you should just bite the bullet and sacrifice your other min security section and make it protected custody you’ll still achieve your goal of 1000 and you could use that extra space to make shared spaces like a chapel or the other things you could not fit. The need for freedom is not an issue because they face no punishment they are always free under this regime and lack of solitary lol

[@debbiebernhardt5406]

Here is what happened, i happen to run into this a few times. The floors must be concrete for both indoors and outdoors. 3 wall lays of perimeters, brick, concrete and glass. No fence as they are to easy to bypass.

[@marcopologist]

i would swap the canteen/yard with the dormitories sso that they are more central and further away from the plot limits

[@Lukee_14]

Could it be because the Doggo is exhausted that it can't detect tunnels

[@luna_dragon5691]

It may be an idea to have more than 1 Kennel. So that the dogs don’t need to travel as far to rest and come back to patrol

[@emmata98]

18:09 probably, even though this mechanic would suck for these cases (since more patrols don't help) and we need to look into the game files/ask the devs if it is that way

[@SquirrelArmyStudios2015]

Called this outcome as soon as you created this style of prison. I knew it wouldn’t be long before the mass breakout happened but didn’t think it would be that quick!

[@y2k870]

Maybe move the kennel to the new area you built this episode so it's more centralized, or build a 2nd one below reception so the doggo's don't have so far to go and are fresher for the patrols?

[@tyverus89]

This is why Periwinkle is best warden. 50% chance to fully uncover tunnels is OP! The only way to change the Warden mid-game is to edit the txt file for the save. Might be outside the scope of the series, put it a vote.

[@i.w.russell7453]

Try to keep the dog patrols primarily at night, and have only a few hours during the day such that the dog guards are less stretched out

[@zombeyfreak7162]

You're going to have to report escapees in percentages to make them look less bad

[@texasscience6580]

you can schedule a tunnel check (check toilets) every night if you are afraid of tunnels.

[@HENRUS7]

The 4 prisoners who didn't make it must be feeling gutted. Perhaps you should consider making the dormitories with only 4 people inside. Even that can have amenities such as a TV, shower and pool table (given they must be at least 16 tiles and beds take up 4, there should be room. However, it is quite expensive so is it a risk you're willing to take?

[@SomeoneBeginingWithI]

Even dormatories of 10 or 20 would tunnel less quickly than the current design of over 100 per dormatory. Having smaller dormatories and shared common rooms would probably be more space efficient than big dormatories with all the entertainment in the dormatory.

[@scragcowski]

make the kennel more centralized and have the dog patrols loop just the toilets

[@zoeanne_]

Could you separate the patrol routes going around the dormitory to 4 separate ones- one for each side, and then one dog just goes back and forth over one side each hopefully stopping them from getting so tired so quickly? And with them going over the same route over and over again hopefully more likely to catch any tunnels!

[@willemdakevin1681]

You definitely need to add a scanner machine too lol

[@camdogg-1990]

5:30 epic foreshadowing

[@tita123cool7]

Do at night dog patrols around the beds to sniff out contraband whilst their sleeping Also that’s a lot of escapes

[@cowycartoons]

if i were you, i’d expand the yard. its so cramped. and goodness. 153 ESCAPES?!

[@futurine8197]

Whattt how did the guards and cameras miss prisoners digging a tunnel 😮

[@emmata98]

13:23 I think the mechanic is also not great regarding the time it takes from tunnel completion until everyone excapes... Also good luck witht the failure conditions...

[@bluegamerplz121]

You can use the roll call button to get Everyone sleeping to stand and guards will identify who’s missing

[@smallcat848]

Guard dogs don't work indoors, onlly outdoors. That's why it was detected so late.

[@emmata98]

faster walkways for the guard could also help, but not against the instatunneling

[@aidanwarren4980]

153 guys in a tunnel passing down one spoonful of dirt at a time

[@tyverus89]

Lockup does not/cannot work as a punishment with Dormitories

[@jacobstevens8935]

There has to be something about walking off the border should stop the tunnels because of no usable ground as an exit point. I think (but I don't know) that your letting them tunnel in at the edge because your not walling the actual edge.

[@jackb7705]

You can’t build on that part

[@MrAlbion247]

Always pleased to be welcomed back!

[@gagarwal916]

I think you should have smaller dormitories instead of the large dormitory section. I would say 4 per. Alternatively, you could also separate the toilets and have a mandatory search before allowing inmates access. Not sure if the game would allow that however.

[@imNalo]

But he's aiming for the most amount of prisoners doing this would make him have less prisoners

[@gagarwal916]

@@imNalo I see a lot of unused space here which could be used to make this happen. If not small dorms, you could also go with big ones, say 20-40 people each. There should be space for that at least. I am not sure we can get to 1000+ if this keeps happening.

[@vatril]

You could split the big dorm into multiple small ones by adding walls, you should have the space. That means its less digging at once.

[@hannahjones7485]

it might be worth it to look into the tracking belts

[@mrfclarke]

Who ever it was suggested prison labour is responsible for that break out.

[@markjerue9734]

Do you even need toilets in your dormitory? Why not just have a single toilet in it? Then set up a proper shower room (with all the toilets for them). Keep 1 single toilet in the dorm surrounded by 8 guard dogs on patrol. P.S. That infirmary is huge. You could definitely squeeze in a staff room & kennel up there. That'd save your workers time walking back & forth to the far away staff room. Or alternatively, build a path to the staffroom.

[@markjerue9734]

Alternatively move all but 1 toilet to your yard & canteen?

[@thomasparrott8969]

You may need to do full shake down rather than just tunnel searches

[@roxyvgaming]

Craziness!!!

[@StefanWempe]

just surround the toilets with dog handlers... you know thats where the tunnel starts and the caching chance is way better

[@Frimanmichael]

Put a dog patrol around the toilets only

[@QDCC]

I would like to see a take on this with unlimited money

[@tomsmith247]

Could you use your toilett system more often and replace them every day?

[@dimitriss777]

emmm i think you need to change the warden to J.W. and there is a way how

[@AdamHinckley]

out gaurd patrols around the toilets so that there is no way prisoners could escape

[@mysterythecat971]

Central staff room and kennels. or multiple staff rooms and kennels, your distances are too far.

[@joakimberg7897]

Why didnt you do tunnel searches every night?

[@karlaalsteinn5487]

Damn…

[@mrfclarke]

153? Yikes.

[@BrinWars]

hola

[@Jimothy-723]

horibly insecure design out the gate. riots and stabbings and contraband and escape attempts would happen absolutely all the time if this were a real prison.